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12963316 No.12963316 [Reply] [Original]

Is this the Chomsky vs Foucault of the 21st century?

>> No.12963338

this will be such a mess *sniff*

>> No.12963359

I'm gay btw

>> No.12963361

>>12963316
no

>> No.12963404

stream down for anyone else?

>> No.12963426

>first words out of Peterson's mouth were about ticket prices

Jesus

>> No.12963428

HERE WE GOOOOOOOOOOO

>> No.12963436

>>12963404
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGRC5AA1wF0

>> No.12963438
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>>12963316
Made this just for you, zizekstak.

>> No.12963464

Peterson is off to a terrible start

>> No.12963477

did zizek go yet?

>> No.12963483

>>12963477
Peterson first
>>12963464
He's doing fine

>> No.12963484

>>12963477
no

>> No.12963490

>>12963464
He seems nervous, or perhaps that’s just the way he normally speaks.

>> No.12963502

>>12963464
>he already dropped "human nature"

>> No.12963509

>>12963464
he started right off the bat with excuses

>> No.12963513

philosophy is dead
the public intellectual is dead
art is dead
anime is dead
can't believe a clown like peterson is taken seriously by anyone. the 21st century is garbage.

>> No.12963517

>>12963483
>10 minutes in and Peterson is literally beating a dead horse
This is already over. He should've actually read Zizek

>> No.12963522

I really want to skip Peterson and listen papa Zizek give his talk already.

>> No.12963530

>>12963502
Even if you're not an essentialist, you have to admit that humans have an inherent nature

>> No.12963534

>>12963517
I forgot that Memerson is very boring to listen to

>> No.12963536

Oh god. It’s clear that Peterson has never read Marx. He’s way out of his element

>> No.12963561

>>12963536
He read the communist manifesto, commiefag.

>> No.12963564

>>12963530
Define human nature

>> No.12963571

>>12963316
zizek is fucking scary. i didnt realize how nervous i would be for peterson and im not even a fan of the dumb old lobster. like im actually shaking for peterson

>> No.12963578
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12963578

EVERY SINGLE FORM OF SUFFERING I EXPERIENCE IS BECAUSE I AM A POORFAG

I CAN'T GET A GF BECAUSE I LIVE WITH MY PARENTS AND CAN'T AFFORD FOOD OR A GYM MEMBERSHIP

FUCK OFF PETERSON

>> No.12963579

>the people that laugh
It was Dasha and Anna, wasn't it?

>> No.12963583

>>12963536
He's honestly way more of a pseud than I thought. Not memeing. I would figure he would at least familiarize himself before starting this.

>> No.12963584

peterson is obviously nervous or something. im not a fan but dont really hate him and have watched many videos of his lectures and talks. he's fumbling.

also what he's saying is kind of bullshit. zizek is going to rip him on this. or he would if this was a debate. its clear peterson hasnt read capital at all, only the communist manifesto.

those audience members are subhuman though. this isnt the space to laugh at someone else speaking.

>> No.12963590

>>12963564
Bunch of behavioral tendencies distributed on bell curves in the population. Humans are a lot like chimpanzees with some added on stuff

>> No.12963594

>503 Service Temporarily Unavailable
I CANT ACCESS
I PAID 15 FUCKING SHEKELS WHAT THE FUCK PETERFAG

>> No.12963596

zizek is going to BTFO this fag within three sentences

>> No.12963597

>>12963583
yeah.. this is actually embarassing. how will zizek even respond to this

>> No.12963599

>>12963561
Yeah, das kapital is more comprehensive. You can’t understabd Marxism by just reading the manifesto.

>> No.12963600

Peterson making some good points, but his chain of thought doesn't seem very directed.
I think he's nervous

>> No.12963602

>>12963564
Just because you can only approximate a definition doesn't discredit the entire notion

>> No.12963605

>>12963561
the communist manifesto is like 80 pages long and was meant as a brochure brainlet. capital is what he should have read to speak about marxism and capital is three volumes 800 pages each

>> No.12963606

>>12963584
>peterson is obviously nervous or something.
It really humanizes him for me. He's stripped of some of the arrogance he seems to have on the JRE podcast and in lectures

>> No.12963615

>>12963594
>I PAID 15 FUCKING SHEKELS WHAT THE FUCK PETERFAG
use the youtube link in the thread

>> No.12963617

>>12963583
yeah i don't hate peterson but its clear that he's out of his element

>> No.12963621

>>12963599
It is simply not reasonable that everybody should have to read the fucking slog that is Capital just to refute a retarded 150 year old ideology whose followers treat it like a religion while it never produces anything of value

>> No.12963622

>kulaks were peasants

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>>12963578
>Blacked

Only in Jewish made fantasy porn

>> No.12963630

>>12963622
They weren't aristocrats

>> No.12963633

>>12963605
im not that guy and i agree with you but i dont think peterson reading capital would have changed his arguments. he still would have been doing this whole
>human nature chaos vs order jung
schtick regardless i think

im just curious to see how zizek responds to it but i already lost interest in this debate

>> No.12963636

>>12963602
I suppose it's just "common sense", right?

>> No.12963644

>>12963584
>or something
I'm starting to thinking he's ill, he's purposely avoiding the lights.

>> No.12963648

>>12963621
weak bait

>> No.12963652

>>12963621
how about a wikipedia summary? that should be enough to get past his clear misunderstanding of marxism

>> No.12963654

>The cheers for bloody revolution

>> No.12963656

>I just stumbled across the idea of dictatorship of the proletariat
Well I guess it's fine to first hear about it when you're 60

>> No.12963658

>>12963630
because ukraine wasn't a rich nation by any means, but they weren't peasants

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>>12963571
If he didn't start crying immediately after admitting to having only read the communist manifesto for the first time in 30 some years as preparation to this debate, he probably could have done better

>> No.12963661

>>12963579
I hope they don't get themselves kicked out

>> No.12963663

why the americlapping?

>> No.12963666

>>12963636
No it's observation. For example almost all humans show empathy in a pretty similar way, with some variation.

>> No.12963667

PETERSON IS FUCKING RETARD HOLY SHIIIIT, THE MANIFESTO IS A FUCKING PROPAGANDA PAMPHLET, IT'S IRRELEVANT WTF IS HE DOING??????
HE'S SETTING HIMSELF UP TO BE ABSOLUTELY DESTROYED.

>> No.12963672

>>12963636
Come on, it's based on principles observed from anthropological and zoological studies

>> No.12963675

>>12963621
isnt volume 1 the one you should read
peterson didnt even go through cliff notes tho

>> No.12963683

>>12963659
zizek looks like he's already done with the lobsters shit

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12963684

>Barber, what kind of talk do you want to give
>I was thinking about critiquing the formulations of a movement at it's manifesto incardnation, which has been critiqued for 71 years now.

JUST

>> No.12963686

>>12963605
The fact that its 800 * 3 pages long already screams elitism. So much for the working class huh?

>> No.12963689

>>12963672
How so?

>> No.12963690

>>12963621
Aww is the book too long for you?

>> No.12963696

jesus what is up with this man
how can you do this to yourself
no one made him do this. he called zizek out
and its clear he knows NOTHING about what marx was talking about. he doesnt know what class relations are nor what dictatorship of the proletariat even is.


MORE IMPORTANTLY though we see the problem in the debate sphere in micro here

the right doesnt know what its talking about. its bullshit. they are totally clueless

BUT the left are like animals. yes they see the right for what they are, but instead of being worthwhile human individuals, they fail halfway through and laugh and jeer and give the right the stereotypes it needs to continue its boogeymanning

>> No.12963704

jbp had like five minutes worth of material and they hit him with an uppercut when he realized he had half an hour

>> No.12963705

>>12963690
You haven't read Capital

>> No.12963711

My God, he's a true brainlet. He truly doesn't understand marxism. His points about "dictatorship of the proletariat" are ABSOLUTELY insane.

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>cheering allowed in a debate

>> No.12963715

>>12963696
seething

>> No.12963716

It's clear Peterson is only appealing to liberals.
He's not even trying to make arguments to Marxist.

>> No.12963718

>>12963690
It's more that it doesn't contain enough of value to justify the time it takes to read it

>> No.12963722

>>12963667
He's even saying this himself. I really don't understand what the fuck he's doing at the moment. This is some high school shit.

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>> No.12963730

>>12963696
peterson is not 'the right'

>> No.12963735

dude when are they gonna let zizek talk I can't watch this brainlet take anymore the guys is shaking in his boots

>> No.12963737

>>12963513
The 20th century got Foucault and Chomsky, and we get these fucking pseud buffoons. Why does it all have to be this way? Like, simultaneously soul-crushingly depressing, but also vapid and fucking banal and boring? People in the early 1900s believed we'd be living in outer space and struggling to find enough hobbies and creative pursuits to fill all of the free time we'd have. This fucking clown world is all we get?

>> No.12963738

STOP CLAPPING YOU FUCKING BRAINLETS

>> No.12963747

>>12963316
chomsky v foucault wasn't that adversarial. It was a nice debate. Peterson v zizek is a shameless spectacle

>> No.12963749

>>12963737
We have Nick Land and Bruno Latour

>> No.12963751

>>12963737
Mostly because of jews

>> No.12963754

>>12963714
This, why doesnt peterson tell them to STOP,
he is their dad afterall

>> No.12963755

ABSOLUTELY ABSURD

>> No.12963756
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12963756

I had faith that this exchange would be at least interesting but Peterson is setting himself up to be absolutely fucking cratered.

gg ez

>> No.12963758

he just took a turn and decided to go with the clean your room shtick

>> No.12963760

OH NO NO NO NO
Peterson has only read the manifesto, he knows nothing about marxism. Holy shit, this is a big yikes. It makes me so uncomfortable.

>> No.12963761

>"marx said this"
>marx didn't actually say it

why does he keep doing this

>> No.12963762

>mistaking labor as an economic category as doing jobs

lmao just end this already

>> No.12963767

>>12963689
Every evopsych idea is based on some variation of "all observable societies behave this particular way, regardless of how they're organized" or "our closest related animal relatives behave in these particular ways"

>> No.12963774

Oh my god this is incredible. Zizek is about to wipe the floor with this man

>> No.12963775

>>12963760
>Holy shit, this is a big yikes. It makes me so uncomfortable.
zoomers talk like such faggots

>> No.12963776

>>12963714

this is not a proper debate.

it's entertainment in the lowest form for zoomers

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>/lit/cucks getting triggered over their bullshit beliefs having a backlight shone on it

MARX IS SUCH A FUCKING HOE (I LOVE IT)

>> No.12963786

>>12963737
zizek isent a total brainlet just a product of his environment but not to undermine him or anything he has alot of original ideas he'll be in the western canon for philosophy in the future no doubt

>> No.12963787

why did zizek puss out and demand that the debate be as soft as possible

>> No.12963788

this is it

peterson is going to snap tonight

>> No.12963790

did i stop reading to watch this shit

>> No.12963792

fucking hell I am a fucking brainlet and I read the capital like 4 years ago and even I know this guy is a fucking idiot

>> No.12963797

>>12963787
look at how the crowd is behaving, it would be even worse

>> No.12963799

>>12963730
i would day he is. the right broadly speaking is on the side of tradition heirarchy and elitism. during the french revolution the "right" supported the king, and the left the people. things have changed but i still would say the right is a defender of conservatism which peterson in many respects he is, much more than zizek

>> No.12963802

you guys i cut my finger on a razor and now it's red and my whole hand feels warm am i gonna get sepsis?

>> No.12963803

>>12963737
I bet you are one those faggots that claim everything after the French revolution is better than the past. well, one thing that the French revolution achived was the giving voice to the stupid.

>> No.12963805

As dumb as Jordan Peterson is, he sure makes twitch chat seem like a bunch of mouth breathing retards in comparison.

>> No.12963808

I hate marxism as much as the next guy but this is just embarrassing.

>> No.12963809

i hate how he keeps doing the "marxists say.." bs, I want to hear the actual marxist perspective from zizek

>> No.12963811

>>12963786
You should probably learn what a fucking comma is before calling people brainlets

>> No.12963814

>20 minutes of jordan peterson talking
i thought this was a debate?

>> No.12963816

>>12963787
what did he ask for

>> No.12963817

peterson's stuff is really obvious at this point because he has the obvious position. i think it will get better.

>> No.12963818

Jesus Christ, Peterson is like 30 years younger than Zizek and still can't carry a coherent thought to conclusion. This is just sad

>> No.12963819

Cringing @ peterson rn

>> No.12963824

>>12963767
And how does this help define human nature?

>> No.12963825

I just need a live reaction camera on zizek

>> No.12963830

How off base must Peterson be to make fucking Zizek look like a good orator

>> No.12963831

Peterson is about to cry. He is unravelling in front of thousands of people and Zizek doesn't even need to open his mouth. Amazin'.

>> No.12963833

>>12963786
>he'll be in the western canon for philosophy in the future no doubt
Doubtful, Zizek is literally just one of a line of very similar forgotten philosophers that everybody thought would revive Marxism.

>> No.12963835

lmao honestly didn't think he was this much of a fraud. steer away from marxism jordan and retain some dignity

>> No.12963837

>>12963799
Peterson is the ultimate "confused liberal"

>> No.12963840

>>12963799
The actual right advocate for stuff like monarchy, fascism, racial supremacism, patriarchy, etc. They aren't really allowed on debates like this

>> No.12963841

>>12963790
you and me man. I was actually enjoying my read getting through alot of it too...but if I dont watch this shit I won't understand the shit posts that'll cover this board for weeks to come

>> No.12963845

he mentioned Dostojevski.....
>>12963802
POGGERS warm arm! jerk off with it!

>> No.12963848

>>12963686
fuck off, i read the first volume of capital when i was a poor 17 year old, and if i can do it then peterson has absolutely no excuse

>> No.12963849

Damn peterson is retarded.

>> No.12963850

>burzwazee

>> No.12963851

It seems like Peterson is trying to talk about colors while using geometrical descriptive terms. He is making so many category mistakes, being so naive, showing his ignorance so thoroughly... I even feel sorry for the guy.

>> No.12963854

>>12963316
Stop posting about this garbage. This is too low-brow even for /pol/.

>> No.12963855

Why did he do this to himself? He's just floundering up there. It's one thing to disagree on what's good/bad. But he's not even engaging with the text/theory he said he would.

How many levels of bad faith does he need to go?

>> No.12963857

>>12963824
Human nature evolved being the implication brainlet

>> No.12963861

this is just awful to listen to

>> No.12963864

The Age of Peterson is at its end.

>> No.12963869

Zizek is actually a force. Fuck every wannabe graduate student who teases him for sniffling and doing too many appearances

>> No.12963872

WHEN DOES HE GET TO HAPPINESS?

>> No.12963878

>>12963747
chomsky vs foucault was barely a conversation, much less a debate. It was like watching a bad date. They just totally misunderstood one another. I think poor translation and an extremely awkward moderator doomed it from the start. The only reason it's remembered so fondly is because every college kid is trained to idolize chomsky and foucault and "holy shit bro did you know that they debated one time?!!"

As for this debate, Peterson has clearly not done his reading. First of all, he's critiquing Marx using the communist manifesto. Which is a political pamphlet, not a serious philosophical treatise like capital. So he's off to a bad start. And then he just completely misunderstands what Marx is arguing. He falls back on the stawman of "Marx thinks all proletariat are good and all bourgeoisie are bad and that's why he wants dictatorship of the proletariat!" and that is not at all a fair or good critique. It's just not what Marx is arguing, at all. It's the kind of failure to create a dialogue with an author that I might expect from a freshman at a state college. But I was hoping from more from this.

>> No.12963879

>>12963851
>>12963831
>>12963830
He's just had some cider man, ease up on him.

>> No.12963883

>>12963864
Peterson is addressing the manifesto and hasn't engaged with any modern marxist-influenced thought, meanwhile Zizek can't admit he's not really a marxist at all lol

>> No.12963886

It's almost like Marx saw communism as something that inevitably arises at the end stage of capitalism

>> No.12963887

How long does he have left?

>> No.12963888

N BOMB DROPPED

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>>12963790
yup already regretting it, too late now anyways

>> No.12963894

>>12963517
Why? He already got the cash for the tickets.

>> No.12963895

peterson is absolutely boring. he has no interesting or original ideas or takes at all.

the communist manifesto? does he even know its a pamphlet? what the fuck is he talking about

>> No.12963899

>>12963824
Because A, humans are animals. And B, if a particular set of behaviors transcends all societies throughout all time, then it's likely psychologically inherent

>> No.12963903

>>12963857
What's an implication brainlet?

>> No.12963906

This is so embarrassing to watch. I almost feel bad for the fucker!

>> No.12963907

>>12963878
Not to even talk about the fact that he calls the idea of dialectic materialism an axioma in Marxist thinking.

>> No.12963908

>tfw zizek didnt even say a word and has already won

>> No.12963909

i think zizek is going to have a hard time """"debating"""" him based on the fact that i dont think anyone has any clue what peterson is saying... even peterson

>> No.12963910

>when you realize you are big fat fraud getting exposed in front of a billion zoomers

>> No.12963913

When we get to see some small naturals?

>> No.12963916

>>12963841
yep pretty much, i cant stop watching the trainwreck tho

>> No.12963918

Have you guys never seen a debate before? opening arguments are always like this, they're always the worse and hardest position to be in.

>> No.12963919

>>12963883
Peterson is choking. That's all zoomers care.

>> No.12963924

>>12963805
>seem like

>> No.12963925

"Marxism does not take account of nature" - Peterson

Bitch, read Engels Dialectics of Nature.

>> No.12963926

i never watched a peterson lecture before, is he usually so vapid? he literally sounds like a 15 year old "libertarian" repeating some Le Epic Gommunism BTFO reddit post

>> No.12963929

>malevolence


Kek

>> No.12963930

>>12963903
Jesus why bother even posting these garbage replies

>> No.12963932

what the fuck sort of debate is this

why are they speaking for so long

>> No.12963937

>>12963909
i have a clue what he is saying, why are you putting your fingers in your ears and screaming? youre not a fucking retard are you?

>> No.12963938

In awe at the size of this lad's brain

>> No.12963940

>Marx's actual call to top the creation of desired society is meaningless
>Thousands of pages of dialectical meandering is important.

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>>12963909
Zizek said upfront that he'll address the Peterson audience, not him

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>Watching peterson roast himself

>> No.12963946

>>12963899
>it's likely psychologically inherent
Why psychologically?

>> No.12963947

>>12963932
Oxford Style you new world mongrel

>> No.12963950

>>12963926
no this is probably the worst he's even been

>> No.12963954

>>12963918
he didnt even read the fucking work he's supposed to be debating

>> No.12963955

>>12963937
>/pol/
Alright, brainlet. Time to leave

>> No.12963956

>>12963926
he's a psychologist, not his field of expertise, not sure why he's even here
>>12963932
hello brainlet, ever see an iq^2 debate?

>> No.12963958

>>12963926
he is usually this vapid. he appeals to unread people and he tells them what they want to hear.

>> No.12963961

>He makes arguments my dad would make, but with facts.
literally just thought this. not even one of his "children," just high.

>> No.12963963

3 minutes left

>> No.12963965

>>12963932
>what the fuck sort of debate is this
it's not really a debate, zizek said in some interview they would take turns speaking about the subject rather than engaging in a debate. basically it's a cash grab

>> No.12963968

>>12963946
Because psychology is what regulates behavior, stop posting, you are incredibly fucking stupid

>> No.12963975

>they produce WEALTH

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just having the debate in the back as I read this thread gives me goosebumps and a huge impending sense of doom. Its like the hairs the rise on the back of your neck when your about to see an accident, unstoppable and in slow motion.

>> No.12963979

how do I fast forward though peterson talking?
He won't shut the fuck up

>> No.12963981

>>12963955
you dont even have to agree with him to understand what he is saying child

>> No.12963982

What is relative poverty?

>> No.12963983

>>12963944
>>12963950
You guys are dumb.
He's appealing to normies and these are the kind of arguments that will convince them.

>> No.12963988

>>12963718
sure, brainlet. Go read some self help books.

>> No.12963989

>>12963963
shits about to get real

>> No.12963991

>>12963561
> this is what lobsterfags actually believe
The communist manifesto is a pamphlet. It's 30 pages long. It briefly describes communism, addresses some criticisms of communism, not by refuting the arguments but by offering alternatives - again, this isn't a rigorous philosophical treatise, it's a pamphlet. It then describes various forms of socialism that Marx finds deficient and offers similarly brief criticisms of them. That's it. It's only useful as an accessible introduction. For example, Marx's ideas about alienation are entirely absent from it. IIRC historical materialism is not really explained either.

>> No.12963992

Psuedo-intellectuals hating Pederson. Nothing new here.

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i was expecting jordy to get btfo but this is just sad

>> No.12964001

>>12963955
The fuck is that a polpost you stupid cunt

>> No.12964002

TIME FOR THE BULL TO ENTER

>> No.12964004

>People laughing at peterson
I have genuinely never seen this before in a so called intellectual debate

>> No.12964011

>>12963992
People don't get poor under capitalism, truly a woke take.

>> No.12964012

>>12963982
Less of a problem than absolute poverty

>> No.12964016

>>12963946
Psychology and physiology are often one and the same

>> No.12964017

>get 2 psychoanalysts to debate
>they talk about political theory at a basic level instead of psychoanalysis

zzzzzzzz

>> No.12964019

Petersen critiques the Manifesto ... Why not take on The Gotha Program, Grundrisse or Capital? Or even "The Jewish question".

>> No.12964023

>>12963840
NRx is not "The Right"

>> No.12964024

>>12963909
I mean, how can you debate someone on a topic they clearly know nothing about? Peterson has not even gotten his head around the foundations of marxism. So he can't even really critique it; he just fundamentally doesn't know what it is. He needs to actually understand Marx's logic if he's going to discuss the logic errors it contains.

>> No.12964029

what i despise about both of them is that they both end up at the same place: bourgeois managerialism

>> No.12964030

>>12963988
You don't read anything at all so Im not sure why you're posturing here, you're dumber than the boomer clown on stage right now

>> No.12964031

Pls stop crowd, I beg you

>> No.12964033

HE BOUTA DO IT

ZIZEK BTFOing THE TRANNY COMMIES

>> No.12964034

>>12963767
sure they do...

>> No.12964036

>>12963316
Zizek can't even speak English. Wtf is this trash

>> No.12964037

>>12963584
>this isnt the space to laugh at someone else speaking.
Why? It's a public performance put on by two pseuds. It's exactly the space to laugh and jeer.

>> No.12964039

alright he isnt wrong with these stats

>> No.12964042

>>12964004
did you even hear what he said?

>> No.12964043

baby boy Peterson about to get BTFO

>> No.12964044

out of booze
going to bed

>> No.12964048

uh, zizek isn't looking that good either, the fuck?

>> No.12964051

>>12964023
The right is so excluded from modern dialectic as to almost not exist
this is the center against the left

>> No.12964054

>>12964023
I didn't say they were. The term 'right' originated in the French revolution and referred to Monarchists

>> No.12964059

hearing zizek talk is so freaky, wow.

>> No.12964062

>>12963983
>You guys are dumb.
they are not dumb, they just appeal to you friendo.

>> No.12964063

>>12964048
At least he's talking about happiness

>> No.12964069

The problem with zizek is that i can't understand him

>> No.12964070

>echo russian accent
oh man

>> No.12964072

Zizek isn’t too great of a public speaker. Is his primary language English? I know nothing about him so excuse my ignorance

>> No.12964073

>>12964048
Psychoanalysis rots the mind.

>> No.12964074

Zizek already mopping the floor with Petersen.

>> No.12964075

>>12964051
okay retard

>> No.12964076

the madman is going against academia

>> No.12964077

wtf why is zizek sucking too what is this debate lmfao
i feel like blackwood sterilized the whole thing somehow

>> No.12964078

>>12964048
yeah wtf, he never reads his speeches like this? what on earth is goin on with this debate?

>> No.12964082

>>12963316
Yes

>> No.12964083

>>12964075
He's right get bent faggot

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>brainlet peterson watching zizek destroy his entire argument piece by piece,drooling,most likely day dreaming in his thought was well.

>> No.12964087

>>12963316
>listening to Zizek slur for a half hour after listening to Peterson shakily rattles off statistics for a half hour
why did i think this was going to be an enjoyable experience

>> No.12964088

>people think China isn't communist
china is the only country that actually understands marxism

>> No.12964092

>>12964072
nigga does it sound like his primary language is english?

zizek knows about 7 different languages

>> No.12964093

>>12964072
no lol

>> No.12964094

>>12964073
Explain

>> No.12964096

>>12964054
yes you did

>> No.12964098

>no sniffing
no cocaine
no intelligence

>> No.12964100

>>12963926
im not a fan but peterson does some fairly interesting cultural analsys and some psychoanalytical takes which are good.

he shouldve stuck with that. i dunno what he was thinking with this economic/historical/philosophical route. he's shown himself to have about the same grounding in the subjects as the average western 20 year old and thats bad


zizek is basically going to steal all of his fans and peterson will be shown for what he is. zizek is much more clear, charming, and interesting in all aspects.

he very literally is going to get cucked. peterson maybe even unknowingly wanted this to happen. he prepped the zizek bvll and now zizek will take what is his. the approval of hundreds of virgin teens and early 20 something males

>> No.12964103

>>12964072
He's an awful speaker but still manages to appear more collected than Peterson does damn

>> No.12964105

zizek sounding like daffy duck

>> No.12964107

>>12964088
China is based and the West will slowly adopt their model over the next century

>> No.12964108

>>12964096
>The actual right advocate for stuff like monarchy, fascism, racial supremacism, patriarchy,
Youre inexcusably fucking retarded

>> No.12964109

>>12963833
Hes not gonna revive anything but if bullshit like "simulacra and simulation" is wester canon at this point I doubt zizek wont be. At the other hand, Peterson will go down in history as the self help midwit shepperd that he is

>> No.12964113

MIGApedes on suicide watch

>> No.12964114

>Peterson speaks entirely extemporaneously
>Zizek can only read off a piece of paper
I hope Zizek does better during the rebuttals

>> No.12964119

>>12964078
I'm unironically starting to suspect that post about them being massive friends behind the scenes was true, they both look like they're suffering from a massive hangover after going on a bar crawl together.

>> No.12964120

>>12964083
>why don't people take my fascist bullshit seriously :(

lol kys

>> No.12964127

>>12964088
galaxy brain opinion here

>> No.12964128

This is a retarded debate, Jordan is not an economicists neither is Zizek but at least he is sticking to philosophy it seems.

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>Zizek starts schilling trump

>> No.12964130

>>12964107
china is a shithole

>> No.12964131

>>12964105
Makes sense seeing as Peterson is kermit

>> No.12964133

>>12964048
zizek is looking fine? he sounds totally normal

>> No.12964134

>>12964100
>clear
lol
>charming
lmao
>interesting
one out of three

>> No.12964137

>they're both blowing it
>fanboys clap like monkeys whenever their leader says something they agree with
Blunder of the century

>> No.12964138

imagine retards paid their money for this shit
Peterson is really the god of all brainlets, the perfect money extraction machine

>> No.12964139

>cheering and clapping
fuck ameriplebs desu

>> No.12964141

>zizek is just reading a piece of paper
he doesnt give a shit about this, doesnt he

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>> No.12964148

>>12964108
thanks for proving my point?

>> No.12964149

>>12964120
Go back to sucking dicks you genetic trash

>> No.12964150

>>12964078
he'll probably start improvising after opening statements. It's pretty common to write down an actual speech for an opening statement, because it (and sometimes closing remarks) are the only parts of the debate you have 100% control over. Everything else is reactive.

>> No.12964155

>>12964134
"Why is Zizek so slurpy"

from the YouTube comments lmao

>> No.12964156

>>12964133
he's struggling to read off a paper two inches away from his face.

>> No.12964157

>>12963890
yea....its a shit show

>witchhouse poster
i keep seeing you on every post

>> No.12964158

>Trump is the ultimate Post-Modern President

Damn, this was pretty good.

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12964159

heh...........

>> No.12964160

>>12964088
unironically true

>> No.12964161

Zizek sounds based desu, what's his political stance?

>> No.12964162

>>12964024
He understands it completely, which is why Marx and Zizek are BTFO.

>> No.12964163

>>12964139
>europoor gets basic geography wrong
im really surprised desu

>> No.12964164

>>12964148
That's not Nrx, that's a list of far right concerns, you have no fucking clue what you're talking about

>> No.12964165

>>12964149
cry harder you silly child

>> No.12964167

>>12964161
communist

>> No.12964171

>>12964161
postmodern neo-marxist

>> No.12964173

>>12963578
Be better than you are. Stop playing victim. Take extreme ownership. Been where you are. The way out is easy if you aren't a cuck

>> No.12964174

LIBTARDS DESTROYED

>> No.12964175

>>12964161
left wing contrarianism

>> No.12964176

>>12964162
>hasn't read marx
>btfos him anyways
my god peterson is an absolute genius

>> No.12964177

>>12964158
It's just a statement.

>> No.12964180

>>12964158
That was a meme back in 2016, it's so fucking out of date in 2019.

>> No.12964181

>>12964165
you're a worthless sack of shit

>> No.12964183

>>12964156
he literally always looks like that.
if anything im surprised he isnt sniffing and tugging at his shirt more.

>> No.12964185

>>12964164
far right is not 'the right'
should we start taking antifa seriously, too?

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>> No.12964188

>>12964109

Sartre and Althusser are still read today.

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What the fuck is Zizek talking about.

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Zizek isn't even sniffing.

>> No.12964191

>>12964161
Communist with crypto Stalinist characteristics

>> No.12964192

>>12964011
Being poor in capitalism is being a king in Communism. Either way, better to be a poor freeman than a slave

>> No.12964193

>>12964177
Literally more profound than anything Peterson said in his abbreviated Prager U. lecture.

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12964194

>snail talk
>snail talk
>snail talk

>> No.12964198

>>12964175
So he's a centrist?

>> No.12964199

I can't understand what he's saying, I'm literally shaking rn

>> No.12964201

he uses this jealous husband analogy all the time but it's genuinely true

>> No.12964202

Zizek is so fucking cringy. Nothing but word salad and tangents, he can't stick to the point.

>> No.12964204

Zizek is evil

>> No.12964205

BASED ZIZEK

>> No.12964206

Uhhh is Zizek okay?

>> No.12964207

>>12964181
must have taken a lot of balls to post something like that anonymously on the internet

>> No.12964211

>>12964192
Another galaxy brain opinion right here, holy shit /lit/ is filled with brainlets

>> No.12964213

Zizek did his cuck qoute

>> No.12964216

>>12964193
not really, you just agree with it.

>> No.12964217

>>12964198
Peterson is a right-wing neo-Marxist pretending to be a left-wing orthodox Marxist and fooling nobody.

>> No.12964218

>>12964176
I can btfo Marx too:
>dialectics

>> No.12964219

>>12964189
>>12964199
>>12964202
first time listening to zizek hunh?

>> No.12964220

>of courshe they were not
Nice save fgt

>> No.12964221

This is pretty boring desu. You fucks were shilling this for months and this is what we get? what a load of shit.

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>>12964211

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Memerson is screwed

>> No.12964224

>>12964207
you know you're complete trash, you look like shit and your mind is garbage

>> No.12964226

>>12964190
That's the power of ultra-instinct

>> No.12964227

>>12963316
holy shit this is literally Zizek reeling in as much academic liberal attention as he can just to shit on them. he's barely even regarding Peterson's talking points.
all of his "examples" are cheap shots at american liberals.
i'm sure there's some pro-marxist shit on that pre-written script but he definitely just showed up to talk shit and collect a check

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someone predicted when the debate got announced that zizek would be lost in metaphysics and peterson would be arguing over trivial stuff....whoever that was, was soo right...

>> No.12964229

>>12964222
>NO U!
based npc

>> No.12964232

>>12964219
No, but he's being particularly incoherent in this.

>> No.12964233

>>12963749
I'm quite conflicted over thinkers like them.
>>12963751
Can't say I disagree. All of this began with the advent of Marxism in the first place.
>>12963786
He makes some good points that I very much enjoy (the inherent stupidity of moral platitudes, for example) but defending Marxism is a lost cause to anyone with an ounce of integrity.
>>12963803
How did you arrive at that conclusion from the content of my post? Personally I'm of the belief that democracy is a cancer and a symptom of the terminal decline of civilizations; it is an indicator of their complacence and self-satisfaction.

>> No.12964234

>scapegoat theory of antisemitism

yikers

>> No.12964236

>>12964202
What he's saying is way more coherent than Peterson's opening

>> No.12964237

Zizek can't even speak English. How is Pederson supposed to debate this unintelligible slurpy kunt

>> No.12964238

>>12964218
but thats his point

>> No.12964240

Zizek just dabbed on Peterson's jealous buckold fanboys.

Epic.

>> No.12964241

>>12964224
whatever helps you cope

>> No.12964242

>>12964221
the meme is how outmatched zizek is

>> No.12964245

>zizek mentioned cultural marxism before peterson

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>>12964161
>go back to Hegel and see what happens + when in doubt, tongue in cheek Stalinism

>> No.12964247

>>12964228
Zizek is making my head spin
Peterson put me to sleep

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>>12964229

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Zizek killing it

>> No.12964252

>>12964240
>buckold
>bucko
my sides

>> No.12964253

>hitler made up anti-semitism from nothing and used it to mind control germans for decades
woah.......so this is the power of hegellian dialectic...........

>> No.12964254

>>12964159
underrated post

>> No.12964255

This is kind of retarded Peterson isn't really alt right at all they're both addressing irrelevancies, ie the alt right and unaltered marxism

>> No.12964256

>>12964241
nothing will help you cope though, youll just get uglier, fatter, dumber, and more alone, you fucking slime

>> No.12964257

>bringing up and referencing countless writers and philosophers
>uhh so I read the communist manifesto guys
yikes, who thought that putting a right wing youtube intellectual against Zizek was a good idea

>> No.12964259

This is going exactly how I expected lmao.

>> No.12964261

Slavoj "cucking is actually a good thing' Zizek

>> No.12964264

I posted this some days ago
>Zizek will go off on a tangent and we'll forget what the debate was even about.

Is this happening? I'm not watching the debate

>> No.12964266

>>12964237
His English is perfect, to be honest. He has a good vocabulary and makes absolutely no grammatical mistakes. He has an odd accent, but, so what?

>> No.12964267

Zizek: "We are in this mess because of the Jews."

>> No.12964268

i dont know why i didnt realize this sooner, but zizek is sort of impotent here for the exact opposite reason that peterson is.

these people straight up dont even know what zizek is talking about. even his simplest material is like 2 tiers above what they are normally used to hearing.

>> No.12964271

>>12964228
remember that post too;found it for you:
>>https://warosu.org/lit/thread/S12684451#p12684460

>> No.12964272

>>12964211
I'm just here for the debate because I appreciate both the snail and the frog. Redpill me on /lit/

>> No.12964273

What is Zizek even talking about

>> No.12964277

>>12964251
he's all over the place

>> No.12964279

>>12964240
>I totally want to raise someone else's kid!

>> No.12964280

>>12964264

yeah little bit

>> No.12964281

>>12964268
Maybe, but he's not saying anything complicated here.

>> No.12964282

>external causes can't exist
imagine telling somebody with sepsis they aren't sick because of foreign bacteria

zizek is retarded

>> No.12964283

>seriously its 2019
>not hiring 10/10 public speakers and just giving them your speech to read

cmon guys like are we not living in a media era?

>> No.12964286

>>12964237
You just can't understand his accent.

>> No.12964287

>>12964253
I generally think Zizek is pretty intelligent but he has a few absolutely retarded takes

>> No.12964290

>>12964261
All you guys being pathological about it is just proving Lacan right

>> No.12964291

>>12963316
Zizek literally made argumentum ad hitlerum within 5 minutes. He's an overrated galaxybrain

>> No.12964292

>>12964264
He's currently saying that the jews made trump into a puppet-king to control protestant boomers
a bit off topic but pretty based desu

>> No.12964295

>>12964213
I think I've heard all of Zizek's stories and talking points already. Hoping it gets better/more heated after the opening.

>> No.12964297

>>12964227
>he's barely even regarding Peterson's talking points.
This part of the debate isn't for that, you idiot.

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>>12964267
>this was the plan all along

>> No.12964302

>>12964232
No, he's literally never made any sense to anyone that hasn't read the collected works of marx, lacan, althusser, and his old advisor alain on top of having read all of the western philosophical canon

zizek really just doesnt give a shit about being anything but an "obscurantist"

>> No.12964303

the depth of this zizek speech makes peterson sound like the brainlet youtuber he is

>> No.12964304

>>12964119
link to post?

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Either I'm going crazy or I've heard this exact same lecture from Zizek before.

>> No.12964306

>>12964277
It's Zizek, what do you expect

>> No.12964307

>>12963316

Petersonfags on suicide watch

>> No.12964308

>>12964257
>analyzing a piece that is of close relevance to the subject of the debate.
>heres why happiness is uhhhhh orange man, as any *sniff* philsopohers view envy*sniff*

>> No.12964309

>>12964253
If you removed anti-semitism and racism from /pol/ who else would they be able to blame?

>> No.12964311

>>12964268
desu he's dumbed down his vocabulary and usual topics to make it more accesible

>> No.12964313

this format is fucking retarded rofl, two people talking about two different things completely, and then I assume they have to address each other's points? How can anyone "win" when there are two parallel debates going on at once.

>> No.12964314

Guys i'm a brainlet wtf is Zizek saying?

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>egoism

>> No.12964317

>>12964290
If something occurs 10% of the time, then worrying about it isn't pathological

>> No.12964318

>>12964268
I like zizek but you sound like a retarded faggot, get his spotted dick out of your mouth he's not some 300iq monster and once you cut through the jargon (which I assume he will try to keep to a minimum) academia isn't very complicated

>> No.12964319

>>12964308
>analyzing a piece that is of close relevance to the subject of the debat
lol

>> No.12964321

>should we drop egalitarianism
>no

bluepilled

>> No.12964322

>>12964305
He reuses a lot of his saying a lot

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>>12964303
>spouting a bunch of incoherent words with no sense between them is deep
>this is what zizekfags actually believe

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>That moment when you subconsciously set up your own destruction and cuckholdry by challenging an actual academic to a debate, ruining your pop philosophy career and morals
This is some Freudian irony

>> No.12964326

Zizek's accent is assfucking my brain, Jesus Christ.

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WHAT DOES ANYTHING THEIR DISCUSSING HAVE TO DO WITH HAPPINESS....im so lost

>> No.12964328

Zizek came out strong, but now he's lost and seems to be struggling on reading his own text

>> No.12964331

>>12964314
Capitalism caused SJWs is the long and short of it

>> No.12964332

>>12964227
Obviously he's doing it to appeal to peterson's audience.

>> No.12964336

why are commies obsessed with equality

>> No.12964338

>>12964314
He's not saying anything. It's literally word salad.

>> No.12964339

>>12964314

Zizek makes me feel like a brianlet too

>> No.12964340

>>12964314
he's making the case that while many people are unhappy egalitarianism is not to blame

>> No.12964341

>>12964303
Zizek is just spouting nonsensical garbage. "lol nihilism everything that isn't degenerate is pathological"

>> No.12964342

>>12964314
It's continental man, but nod your head and accuse others of not getting it. Re-listen later

>> No.12964344

>debaters taking about compeltely different things
>WOW x is totally eviscerating y right now

cheerleaders are embarassing

>> No.12964345

>>12964314
Basically: "The Left is doing all the right things wrong, the right never tried to do the right thing and doing it better than I would've hoped."

>> No.12964346

>>12964308
>>analyzing a piece that is of close relevance to the subject of the debate.

The communist manifesto is just a political pamphlet, he obviously hasn't read any serious Marxist works like Capital. Peterson fundamentally misunderstands several crucial Marxist principles and makes his critiques in an incredibly simplistic way.

>> No.12964347

>>12964268
correct

>> No.12964348

>>12964302
Out of all continental philosophers, Zizek probably goes the furthest to make himself understood and accessible.

>> No.12964349

>>12963316
what the FUCK am I watching? they both come off as borderline retarded, can't believe you fucks shilled me into this.

>> No.12964351

>>12964247
i just can't understand what hes saying with his accent when hes saying its so quickly its hard to grip.

>> No.12964353

>>12964331
>>12964314
Or rather capitalism caused both SJWs and alt-right

>> No.12964356

>>12964314
religion = ideology
ideology makes people do bad things
socialism enables personal happiness
the progressive stack is retarded

>> No.12964357

>>12964305
You probably did, both read and heard him. It's just the self-plagiarism making itself apparent.

>> No.12964359

>>12964016
>Psychology and physiology are often one and the same
Do you have any example of this?

>> No.12964360

>>12964324
Zizek is a pop philosopher. he talks in cricle

>> No.12964362

>>12964323
>I cant comprehend philosophy
>Hes not talking in brainlet self help lingo
>tfw you have to stop and think about stuff instead of being fed with "wash your penis" instructions along woth a whole pre made ideology

>> No.12964369

we all knew this but know we know for sure the giant gulf between peterson and zizek

this is why we hate peterson. he isnt a threat to anything. hes literally a brainlet that offers nothing but acts like hes some sort of genius. hes obviously a fraud and this is made clear when in the prescence of someone like zizek.

it doesnt have to be zizek, it could be graham harmon or anyone else. peterson is not in this class and cannot compete. he needs to stay in his lane and write self help books if thats what he wants but nothing else

>> No.12964370

Came late, WTF is happening

Why is he reading a fucking script? Is this a debate or a essay presentation? How will Peterson respond this word salad?

>> No.12964372

>>12964314
pure ideology, basically

>> No.12964373
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>this means something
HOTTEST TAKE

>> No.12964375

>capitalism equalizes us too much

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I unironically respected both them before this, I respect neither of them now, this was a mistake.

>> No.12964377

THEY'RE BOTH INSUFFERABLE AHHHHH

>> No.12964378

>>12964348
>Zizek probably goes the furthest to make himself understood and accessible
uwot, this couldn't be further from the truth? do you just make these claims assuming no one has read modern continential philosophy?

graham harmon is 150000x more accessible and zizek did a talk with him last year

>> No.12964379

>>12964318
this

>> No.12964380

zizek dabbing on le lobster man

i'll happily root for the grumpy trash man (opposition to idpol and all)

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Feverishly googling every name Zizek drops

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anyone else getting a massive headache from this marxist faggot going into deep epistemnology is a foreign accent from peterson's brainlet talk is dizzying

>> No.12964385

>>12964370
Opening statements

>> No.12964386

SHOTS FIRED

>> No.12964388

>>12964268
Zizek isn't deep at all. it's just "truth is a lie, here's my preferred relativism, do what makes you feeeel goood"

>> No.12964390

both of them are shaking maybe the room is really cold

>> No.12964392

>>12964370
zizek admitted to being so scared of peterson that he demanded a monologue format it's gay as fuck

>> No.12964394

>>12964373
We were all fools to mock the lobster sign.

>> No.12964397

>>12964362
>stop and think
>in a live discussion
how about you stop and think, and also read the thread, because the people ITT who can understand him (i.e. not you) all agree that he's sounding pretty scattered, so why don't you stop relying on your own puny brain and just take your cue from the crowd like the cow you are

>> No.12964400

>biologicaly termed sexuality
fucking hack

>> No.12964401

is anyone even paying attention now?

>> No.12964402

>>12964370
They are essentially just both doing a lecture and aren't even talking about the same subject.

>> No.12964403

This shit is over, they are on totally different levels.

>> No.12964404

>>12964369
>we

>> No.12964405

>>12964369
i agree, but zizek sucks so far. this is pure trash and slick french platitude, as well as all too easy paradoxes

>> No.12964406

My head is spinning wtf

>> No.12964409

I want Zizek to read me a bedtime story!

>> No.12964410

Memerson is a brainlet, but I feel bad for him. How the fuck is he even gonna reply to this mess?

>> No.12964412

>>12964400
kys retard penis goes into vagina thats basic biological determinism

>> No.12964413

Uh oh he's about to trigger the christcucks

>> No.12964419

>mentions eliot's idea that new art changes past art instead of borges
this guy kinda sucks

>> No.12964420

>>12964369
yes. I literally want every relevant philosophy academic from all parts of the political spectrum to debate this mindless fraud so that he and his fans can be exposed for their intellectual weakness

>> No.12964421

>>12964412
Penis is vagina is pathological

>> No.12964423

>fake experts

PETERSON CALLED OUT

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>>12964382
not for your reason but yes I have a headache from zizek already and the debates just started.....

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>>12964369
>imagine actually believing this just so you can feel smart for liking the sniffman

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>>12964360
Philosophy is inherently pop

>> No.12964430

hes talking too fast bros

>> No.12964432

>>12964421
'no'

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>> No.12964438

imagine being such a pseud you fall for Zizeks "I love evil" nonsense

>> No.12964439

>>12964400
it is, anon, unless something horrible happens like molestation your sexuality is set from the go

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"Your academic career is like french cuisine"
What a put-down

>> No.12964444

>>12964397
not him but i can understand him fine. but im familiar with zizek, all of this is stuff he's said before. if youre not familiar with philosophy this will sound like nonsense because you cant just passively accept it like peterson. you have to actively pay attention and think about what hes saying or it will go over your head.

>> No.12964445

>>12964381
Do you not know how to take a screenshot?

>> No.12964447

>>12964405
That's the thing though, all Zizek needs to do is hold a small lecture exploring the outlined themes even vaguelly. If he does just that he wins by default considering Peterson's insane rambling earlier.

>> No.12964450

>any decent student of theology can put things better than christ
damn.

>> No.12964453

>>12964429
Zizek is to a philosopher as bill nye is to a scientist.

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What is he saying has to be kept apart? I can't understand his accent.

>> No.12964456

>>12964388
yeah you just filtered an epistemology speech through your midwit mediocre mind and this is what came out. I hope you all look in the mirror after this debate and realize how mediocre, stupid and superficial your brain is

>> No.12964457

>>12964447
>That's the thing though, a
idgaf it's boring to watch
>>12964450
brainlet's first kierkegaard

>> No.12964461

>>12964450
He's right

>> No.12964463

>>12964439
Then why do my interests change and recede so much over time?

>> No.12964464

>>12964453
lol

>> No.12964466

>>12964359
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXv44YL_Gio

>> No.12964467

>capitalism won

HOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOH

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MODS STICKY THIS BREAD
MODS MODS MODS
GIB STICKY AAAAAAAAAAaAAaaaAA

>> No.12964471

> FUCK i didn't know we were supposed to read kierkegaard before this debate!

>> No.12964473

>>12963522
Care to retract that statement?

>> No.12964476

>>12964453
Zizek is way more academic than Bill Nye. Get out of here with that false equivalence

>> No.12964478

>>12964453
Bill Nye is an engineer larping as a scientist. Zizek is a philosopher through and through, who has made contributions to the field and written about it for decades.

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i should be reading right but now I have to watch a brainlet take vs a take I can't understand....sigh

>> No.12964483

>there is a problem with CAPITALISM here

>> No.12964484

>>12964463
they dont, you unstable fuck

>> No.12964485

this is worse than the first Peterson x Harris debate on the podcast

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Zizek could've won the debate, but he hasn't developed on anything and is now looking lost on stage.

>> No.12964490

This guy is not on JBP's level. His thinking is too shallow. Granted, I have only seen this intro. Will check out some of his other lectures and talks. But so far, he is not that good.

>> No.12964494

makes speech as esoteric as possible

>> No.12964497

>TRUMP BAD

Why are liberals so cringe?

>> No.12964499

wtf why is zizek BTFOing tankies

>> No.12964500

>>12964453
Did this thread get linked on /pol/ or peterson reddit forum? You know that Zizek wrote over thirty books in the field, right brainlet?

>> No.12964501

>>12964453
dumbest post in this thread

>> No.12964503

>>12964478
>Zizek is a philosopher through and through
is that supposed to be good or

>> No.12964506

>>12964327
Because the organisers know that the audience consists of 20 something brainlets who think that papa peterson is going to make them happy?

>> No.12964508

>>12964484
But they do

>> No.12964509

fuken geddit zizek

>> No.12964510

>communism will solve global warming
and here we go with the magic juice

>> No.12964511

I'm not paying attention to being with, but I have no idea how zizek is linking all the crap he's talking about to a major point. Why are we talking about capitain planet now?

>> No.12964512

is there gonna be Q&A period or something?

>> No.12964513

>>12964466
This is unironically a lot more interesting than the debate

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Either I'm not half as much of a brainlet as I thought or is it just that one Anon samefagging with the whole "Zizek too smart"?

>> No.12964517

>all that yapping about le epic zizek gonna save us from big bad peterson
>easy platitudes adorned with paradoxes and other cheap rhetorical tricks

>> No.12964518

>>12964501
but he's still right :)

>> No.12964519

how long does this go for?

>> No.12964521

>>12964503
when it comes to dunking on pseuds masquerading as philosophers, yes

>> No.12964522

this isn't a debate lol

>> No.12964523

>>12964490
>Will check out some of his other lectures and talks. But so far, he is not that good.
He's going over the same points that he always does.

>> No.12964524

>>12963786
Bloom will be dead soon and there will be no one left in academia to defend the Canon.

>> No.12964525

>>12964486
Hes just rambling like he usually does. Not sure what anyone expected.

>> No.12964527

>>12964336
> why do people not want to be dominated by other people
Dunno bud

>> No.12964531

is he trying to cover centuries of philosophy on this single debate? i wish people could stick to more niche topics

>> No.12964533

>>12964500
All (modern) philosophers are to philosophy as Bill Nye is to science

>> No.12964536

>>12964456
I rejected the basis for his worldview right off the bat, that there is no truth. If you aren't a gaytheist Zizek just sounds like a rambling shill for modernism, making obviously arbitrary "refutations" of all it's failings. This is obviously word vomit regardless, he's so incoherent because he's erratically going to fucking nowhere with his speech

>> No.12964538

How much until it's on Youtube?

>> No.12964539

fuckin zizek falling for capitalist propaganda about socialism

>> No.12964542

>>12964511
Because capitalists will kill the planet

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Zizek going full transhumanist

>> No.12964544

dave rubin would have wiped the floor with zizek

>> No.12964546

>>12964466
Thanks but I'm not sure I understand. Do you mean to say that the body of the cucumbers is the same thing as the fear the cats experience?

>> No.12964549

>>12964514
Nah, Zizek is shitting on Peterson but he's going over Petersonite's heads cause he doesn't know how to dumb his shit down.

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Why is it that whenever you question these "Pererstein is a brainlet lol" posters they have never read Maps of Meaning and have absolutely zero exposure to the concept of metaphysical analysis of the affective behavioral valences which constitute the schema which we use to discriminate value between desires and concepts?

I suspect the vast majority of you think he's oversimplifying out of lack of intelligence, and not, rather competently, impressing a complex idea through simple articulated allegorical and syllogistic logic.

Also you're all fucking retarded brainlet posers.

>> No.12964551

>>12964481
we are gonna be alright bro. I was gonna finish the enquiry but I got bewitched by this meme.

>> No.12964553

>>12964514
the latter, anon, you're probably more of a brainlet than you suspect
I'm shitposting and listening at the same time and not struggling to keep up, he's not going very deep

>> No.12964554

>>12964525
>rambling
>reading a script
????????

>> No.12964556

>>12964533
ok brainlet

>> No.12964558

>>12964538
There’s a link

>> No.12964560

>>12964538
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q46AoR80M4&ab_channel=PyramidofControl

>> No.12964561

>>12964533
Not Judith Butler, that's OC philosophy

get at me

>> No.12964563

https://www.strawpoll.me/17849560

>> No.12964566

>>12964539
>propaganda

>> No.12964568

>>12964543
Holy fuck he's ascending for real.

>> No.12964570

>>12964543

Zizek has gone over his time

>> No.12964571

>>12964538
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGRC5AA1wF0

>> No.12964572

Zizek dropping the phrase "homophobic homophobia".

>> No.12964575

>>12964554
His thoughts ramble when he writes.

>> No.12964576

>george soros

Y I K E S

>> No.12964579

Zizek is an ambassador of philosophy. All his books are essentially slam poetry and everyone shits on him because he never offers any solutions to the problems he makes up that are actually solutions.

>> No.12964580

im about to call it quits guys, this is shit

>> No.12964584

>>12964563
>no "nobody" option
I voted memerson just to nudge the dial toward the center

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S-O-R-O-S

>> No.12964589

typical leftist talking points. WHy is this guy special again?

>> No.12964591

>>12964533
>nooouuu stuff is bad!!!! Giv me heidegger n nitzschee only!!!
Thanks gramps

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gonna go wack it to hentai this shit is not entertaining in the least bit with the way the debate is orientated and neither is it intellectually challenging either. why the fuck is their an orator if their isent even a proper conflicting debate?what the fuck is he on the stage for? What they needed was quiet crowd and a regular formal debate not this brainlet shit.

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wtf I thought zizek was supposed to be better than Peter

>> No.12964594

>>12964563
>who is winning
The organizer or whoever make money of this

>> No.12964595

>>12964575
>t. i cant follow
ahhh duuude, i gotta tell you something you might not like it

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>>12964544
ahAHHAHAhahAHAHAHHAhahAHA

>> No.12964600

So he's basically agreeing with Moldbug and saying we already live in communist societies.

>> No.12964601

>>12964592
based

>> No.12964603

>>12964539
He lived in Yugoslavia, man.

>> No.12964604

>>12964568
lol this is just so based and epic xD

>> No.12964605

>>12964594
this 2bqhfamalamadingdong

>> No.12964606

>>12964546
I'm saying that the fear those house cats are experiencing is inherent. Cats don't have a culture, not do they experience snakes on a regular basis, yet they know to fear their shape on an unconscious level.

>> No.12964607

In summation: ACCELERATIONIST GANG

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>>12964533
ok, mr. peterson

>> No.12964610

>>12964593
He is. You only need basic point to refute Memerson.

>> No.12964612

>>12964161
He's the world's worst communist.

>> No.12964613

>*sniff*
>apocalypse
>and so on*sniff*

>> No.12964614

can't believe so many of you have trouble following zizek. it's the same old stuff, ideology is everywhere and by its very nature it absorbs antagonistic elements in society i.e. identity poltics, protectionism blah, blah

>> No.12964618

CHYNA

>> No.12964620

>>12964608
LOL

>> No.12964621

>>12964589
he never fucking shuts up so he gets away with handwaving important aspects of the opposition. he makes huge claims about massive discussions every few seconds.

>> No.12964623

>>12964514
Zizekfags like to think Zizek is smart because it validates their own mediocre intellectualism. Zizek has a lot of knowledge and he's indeed smart but people overrated him way too much based on all his muddled knowledge.

>> No.12964626

>>12964497
Rightoids are too stupid to understand something they've only been told once so we have to repeat it until even brainlets like you understand that.

>> No.12964627

>Don't cheer me!
>*crowd cheers*
Zizek having his Howard Beale moment

>> No.12964629

OH NO NO NO

>> No.12964630

>>12964614
If you had never heard Zizek before and didn't follow much academic philosophy I can see how this would sound like gibberish

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JP admitting defeat

>> No.12964635

Is Zizek going full accelarationist on us

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>> No.12964637

https://www.strawpoll.me/17849465/r
honk

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>> No.12964644

>>12964626
what happened to your russian conspiracy again

>> No.12964645

>>12964627
chad crowd

>> No.12964646

>>12964627
Honestly this was Zizek’s most based moment tonight

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/lit/ should be embarrassed about this debate, this is exactly is why people hate philosophy and no longer watch debates.

>> No.12964649

>>12964635
full doomer

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Why is JayzTwoCents arguing with Zizek?

>> No.12964653

>>12964614
It's way to much to discuss, because he skips right past the fundamental beliefs necessary for not finding the mentality nonsensical or malicious.

>> No.12964654

My takeaway from the debate so far is that Zizek's crown is at least as sycophantic as peterson's. even zizek had to call them out on it, lmao

>> No.12964655

HE'S GOT NOTHING

>> No.12964657

>>12964627
Americans are subhuman desu. Completly unable to engage with something without turning it into a spectacle.

>> No.12964660

>>12964592
yea...what were they thinking? Seriously they can't even target the same points and come to any conclusions like this...its pointless

>> No.12964661

>>12964623
whats that got to do with peterson being the zero point of philosophy

>> No.12964662

>JP literally admiting he is a brainlet and that Zizek is mostly right

>> No.12964663

peterson is being a lot more candid this time around when he's more in his comfort zone

>> No.12964664

>>12964634
cringe

>> No.12964666

Zizek is dominating Peterson so incredibly hard Jezus fucking Christ. I even feel bad at this moment.

>> No.12964667

>>12964648
>no longer

>> No.12964668

>>12964644
based retard

>> No.12964674

Joe Rogan would probably do better than Peterson desu

>> No.12964675

Peterson sounds like he just became blackpilled after those 30 minutes

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>>12964314

>> No.12964677

Peterson is so boring and has nothing to say.

>> No.12964680

>>12964666
what debate are you watching satan?

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>> No.12964682

>>12964623
Pretty much. Before the current political climate he was pretty clearly regarded as something of a buffoon and not taken seriously at all. He wrote some books but doesn't really provide much in the way of original contributions to philosophy. He certainly won't be remembered a century from now for his ideas. He is only given more capital on the left now because hes a useful counter to people like Peterson. Not that Peterson is good. Peterson is a complete huckster fraud.

>> No.12964684

>>12964657
Sorry to interrupt your obsession but this is not taking place in America

>> No.12964685

This is so hard to watch.

>> No.12964686

>Peterson's argument is literally that boomer Churchill quote

>> No.12964688

>>12964608
"who is hegel?"

>> No.12964689

>>12964654
Respected Supreme Leader Slavoj does NOT have a sycophantic crowd.

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Peterson is a great psychologist. He's just a shit philosopher and shit economist. He got popular for rightfully calling out the bullshit culture in his university but he went wrong by not staying in his lane

>> No.12964695

>>12964666
I don't even like Zizek or a fair chunk of what he said but holy shit, the rape is real.

>> No.12964697

>>12964681
lost

>> No.12964699

>>12964536
Sure... Might take longer for some people to "get" philosophy. But there's an option for people born with the curse of being a midwit to feel smarter: and that is pop psychology. Keep doing that. Academics is not for everyone. Clean your room, wash your penis etc ;)

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>>12964592
Based.

>> No.12964702

>>12964681
kek

>> No.12964703

>>12964592
literally this. this is so shit

>> No.12964704

Fuck lads, I really like petersons work but zizek makes a lot of sense.

What are some of his works I should read?

>> No.12964705

>>12964662
>zizek spends half an hour blathering about basic historical analysis and mediocre lite-accelerationist critiques of modern culture
>memerson also engages in basic historical analysis and mediocre lite-traditionalist critiques of modern culture

>> No.12964706

>>12964686
ah yes ofcourse that one churchill quote

>> No.12964707

>>12964668
Based daddy mueller going to save us still

>> No.12964708

>>12964681
upvote

>> No.12964709

>>12964666
>Zizek said more stuff so he wins!
Peterson is trying to be down to earth and Zizek went all over the place going over grand philosophical questions on the nature of reality and just claiming his interpretation was right because next point

>> No.12964710

>>12964419
who mentioned that?

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>>12964471

>> No.12964712

it's so hard to listen to peterstein hope his fame dies today

>> No.12964713

>zizek hasnt made any arguments for marxism
>proceeds to make arguments for marxism

>> No.12964714

>>12964684
Every country in the world belongs to america

>> No.12964715

>>12964684
What is Canada other than an extension of the United States?

>> No.12964717

>>12964711
based

>> No.12964720

>>12964689
What would freud have to say about these obsessives hmm?

>> No.12964722

>>12963316
>both "opponents" emphasize that they don't want to butt heads so much as move towards an agreement towards solving global problems
20 bucks says JP and Zizek get drinks after this. this is the comfiest "debate" i've ever seen

>> No.12964723

Should I make a new thread or will someone else?

>> No.12964724

>>12964684
Canada is in America

>> No.12964725

>>12964666
Satan has said it

>> No.12964726

>>12964711
my sides=in orbit

>> No.12964728

>>12964695
Except all his points are negated when you consider he has no alternative whatever as Peterson just pointed out

>> No.12964730

>>12964704
>liking self help books

>> No.12964732

>>12964711
Kek

>> No.12964734

>>12964699
This isn't a debate, I'm not rooting for pepe peterson, i was just disgusted at zizeks sophistry. it wasn't even eloquent.

>> No.12964735

>>12964713
>pointing out problems with capitalism = marxism
they're not even the only two options out there

>> No.12964736

>>12964694
this

>> No.12964737

>>12964723
Go ahead friend.

>> No.12964738

>>12964712
it only just begins

reddit front page tomorrow: Peterstein won!

>> No.12964739

>>12964715
Canada is a sort of special tumor attached to both the US and the UK

>> No.12964741

>>12964707
wtf I love Israel now?

>> No.12964742

>>12964714
>>12964715
>>12964724
>be retarded
>I was only meming xD
based retards

>> No.12964746

>>12964723
/lit/ gets really slow post page 4-5.
no need to rush it

>> No.12964747

why even debate about communism vs capitalism? Its not like the current economic system is going to change because of debates. Also there isn't a single country that is absolute capitalist/communist. Literally every nation has a mixed economy.

>> No.12964748

>>12964704
Watch The Pervert's Guide to Ideology and also his talks on YouTube. Someone might rec some books but this is the easiest way.

>> No.12964749

>>12964711
kierkegaard seems like he'd be one of the three philosophers peterson actually has read

>> No.12964750

>>12964713
>Zizek spent his 30 minutes insulting academia and american liberals
>Peterson is left with nothing to debate and starts debating himself
hour well spent

>> No.12964756

>>12964704
read?
baby steps. watch his videos first.

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>>12964715
Its our hat.

>> No.12964760

>>12964730
I've never completed his books, just watched his lectures on youtube. His books don't go as much into detail as his lectures do.

>> No.12964761

so if i'm understanding this the debate isn't really working because

>peterson is more anti-marxism than he is pro-capitalism
>zizek is more ant-capitalism than he is pro-marxism
>both assume the other is defending something rather than attacking

>> No.12964763

>>12964536
>>12964388
dude... im sorry... your dumb as shit

>> No.12964765

>>12964747
This wasn't supposed to be a communism vs capitalism debate but they're both doing so fucking bad they're just reading scripts prepared for other debates.

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>>12964728
The absolute state of benison fags lmaoo

>> No.12964771

>>12964710
zizek, the borges parody version is much cleverer

>> No.12964772

>>12964747
why debate anything, then
>every nation has a mixed economy
don't tell me you think communism is when the state does things

>> No.12964773

>>12964592
playing Imouto Paradise 2
it aborded the theme of the supposed debate better than this shit

>> No.12964776

>I heard criticism of Capitalism but no support for Marxism
Because that's what Marxism is? Why is Peterson so retarded.

>> No.12964778

>>12964760
>actually gaining something from a self help gurus lectures.
I hope you're not older than 19

>> No.12964781

>>12964761
People were calling it months ago that this will go horribly wrong because they agree with each other more than they disagree, which Peterson just admitted.

>> No.12964784

>>12964761
this is a pretty good summary

>> No.12964786

>>12964766
they're both shit so far, sorry i blasphemed your god zizek

>> No.12964792

>>12964776
He's read the communist manifesto but forgot to tackle the entire wikipedia page on communism as well.

>> No.12964793

y'all if you want to get a competent persons opinion of all this you should check out Mark Blyth.

>> No.12964795

>>12964737
>>>>12964775

>> No.12964797

>>12964666
Satan is right, Peterson's response to Zizek is basically "Zizek is right, capitalism sucks... b-but it's our best option.... w-why didn't Zizek mention Marxism...?" He seriously fucked up when he decided to focus on The Communist Manifesto instead of Zizek.

>> No.12964799

zizek staring a hole into the side of petersons head
it's gonna kick off any minute now boys

>> No.12964800

>>12964776
Have you read maps of meaning?

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>>12964776
>right wing anti-capitalists are marxists

>> No.12964802

>>12964681
kek

>> No.12964804

>>12964776
It's possible to critique capitalism outside of Marxism

>> No.12964805

>>12964728
All his points can be negated by just saying "I disagree" because everything he says rests on the agreement that everything just springs from the human mind and you have to agree with his interpretation of which parts are good or bad which he outlines very simplistic criteria for determining, it's essentially bad feelings I feel are bad and aren't justified in having a place the traditional perspective claims they do.

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>>12964724
not yet it isn't

>> No.12964808

>muhfuggen money
>muhfuggen poverty
>muhfuggen economics
literally who fucking cares?

>> No.12964810

>>12964776
>>12964735
also filtered

>> No.12964814

Judeo Christian

>> No.12964815

>>12964778
His personality psychology lectures are pretty good, they're not self help just basic psychology.

>> No.12964822

>>12964707
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-barr/barr-releases-muellers-report-and-feels-the-heat-idUSKCN1RV0PU
> Mueller stopped short of concluding that Trump had committed a crime, but did not exonerate him of wrongdoing either, leaving Barr or Congress the option to take action against the Republican president.
> h-he's not as bad as we thought he was!
Daddy's not going to jail but he's still a massive scumbag.

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>>12964776

>being this retarded

name checks out

>> No.12964829

>>12964806
North America

>> No.12964830

>>12964776
>An entire form of society can be boiled down to the mere opposition of some other ideology which has been irrelevant for like 100 years now
why are Marxists so fucking stupid bros

>> No.12964832

Peterson just hit a shallowest point, if Zizek could porpose something he'd win right here, but he has no proposals only his old platitudes

>> No.12964836

>>12964814
stop being redundant

>> No.12964838

This is a pretty comfy debate

>> No.12964841

>>12964806
America isn't even a country, anon.

>> No.12964844

>>12964778
>self help guru
Zizek doesn't do self help

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>>12964592
same

>> No.12964847

>>12964776
wow this is dumb

>> No.12964849

>>12964786
>Benison fags renouncing their own moral champion in the face of embarassment
The classic integrity of neo liberal intamellecchuals

>> No.12964853

Peterson embarrassed himself, at least Zizek prepared himself to be zizek. peterson didn't even tell anyone to clean their room.

>> No.12964856

>>12964822
>Mueller stopped short of concluding that Trump had committed a crime, but did not exonerate him of wrongdoing either
There's no evidence and I can't do anything, but I can't rule it out conclusively or prove a negative
wow really great post buddy lol you guys are so boring

>> No.12964857

>>12964804
yeah but Marxism is all about criticizing capitalism. it's a sith like ideology. support is hate

>> No.12964858

>>12964800
>>12964801
>>12964804
>>12964830
Which board did this thread get linked on? Where are these brainlets coming from?

>> No.12964859

>>12964838
the only good part of the debate so far is the shitposting happening here

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>>12964815
The fact that so many people in these threads think that what Peterson has done; crafted a psychology course so easy to follow and understand that even brainlet retards like the ones flooding these threads can understand, when the course is based around jungian psychoanalysis (which is insanely complex and deep, entire organizations exist to transcribe and articulate his work) is a testament to his scholarly excellence.

>> No.12964861

>>12964844

He should; he dresses up like he's fighting hobos for clothes

>> No.12964862

>>12964844
>taking what I said as literal
why are you on this board. Go to pols debate thread.

>> No.12964866

zizek is just going back to what plato said about how excess and democracy create unhappiness

>> No.12964868

>>12964849
>Benison fags renouncing their own moral champion
he's a greedy shill, stop coping you look gay as fuck

>> No.12964870

now this is the zizek we all love

>> No.12964872

>>12964801
>>12964804
>>12964825
>>12964847
That's not what I said. I'm just saying that whole Marxist analysis is criticism of Capitalism through historicism, and labor value theory. Don't be dumbasses. Peterson is terrible at debating. Put me on stage and I'll BTFO commies.

>> No.12964874

based zizek talking that nrx shit

>> No.12964880

>>12964832
His platitudes aren't even coherent, he's the worst storyteller i've seen in my life. He starts one place and branches off into a dozen non-sequitors and never ends on any point, you just have to grasp at his zizekism as they come and go.

>> No.12964881

>>12964858
I'm from cth

>> No.12964886

zizek literally giving peterson feedback, so patronising, peterson is done

>> No.12964887

>>12964858
>implying frog man and zizzy are lit to begin with

lol

>> No.12964890

>Zizek actually referencing the core point of the debate instead of memeing about the communist manifesto over and over

>> No.12964891

>>12964858
no u

>> No.12964899

>>12964866
Zizeks talking points aren't internally consistent.

>> No.12964903

>>12964862
>I was only memeing!
fuck off

>> No.12964904

>zizek literally agreeing with peterson about socialism

>> No.12964905

>>12964872
>criticism of Capitalism
yeah and Capitalism has evolved from the days the manifesto was written.

>> No.12964906

>>12964880
u got bad brain

>> No.12964912

>>12964860
You might have enough knowledge to understand jung but I don't and petersons lectures were really good as a general overview of psychology for me. Peterson actually got me into Jungian psychology.

>> No.12964915

>>12964912
>Peterson actually got me into Jungian psychology.
Is this supposed to be a good thing? lmao

>> No.12964917

>>12964903
>implying i was memeing
uh oh

>> No.12964920

he called out petersons critique of communism
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOO SHIIITTTTT

>> No.12964921

Just arrived home
catch up please

>> No.12964931

>>12964906
Zizek isn't hard to follow, the rollercoaster just doesn't go anywhere. It's so obvious he's just appealing to pseuds. You can just pick out a bunch of shit he believes and none of it fits together.

>> No.12964933

The audience laughs at Zizek saying Marx's didn't understand

>> No.12964934

where did all these brainlets come from.

>> No.12964936

>>12964912
>Peterson actually got me into Jungian psychology
you fucking idiot
YOU FUCKING IDIOT LMAO

>> No.12964938

>>12964931
muh requirement of grand narratives

>> No.12964939

because yeh uh sniff uh egalitaranism sniff uhhh uh a uh SNIFF uh ah SNIFFFFF marx UH sniff

>> No.12964940

>I agree with your basic babbys first communism Pwederson, well done!

>> No.12964941

>imagine calling yourself a marxist and having the exact same opinions about socialist states that peterson has

>> No.12964947

>>12964939
and so on

>> No.12964948

Privatize the oceans

>> No.12964949

>>12964936
Explain

>> No.12964950

>>12964934
The difference between this thread and the other three about this is really jarring, it's obvious it got crosslinked elsewhere.

>> No.12964952

When will Zizeks gish gallop end holy shit

>> No.12964956

>>12964938
everyone has a worldview whether they want to or not

>> No.12964957

Uh - UH - UH SSHNNNIFF

>> No.12964966

literally no idea how anyone can watch this and think peterson makes more sense

>> No.12964971

>>12964938
Zizek "ideology" is just a frankenstien of nebulous shit he's formed on his whims.

>> No.12964975

Zizek's take on South Africa is astonishing

>> No.12964980

https://www.strawpoll.me/17849671

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>>12964912
His interpretations and idiosyncratic elucidations on Jung's work is particularly clear, as far as Jungian scholars go.

That doesn't mean he's the best, but it means that his particular branch of expertise is made all the more lurid and illuminating and articulate through his comprehension of Jung.

The fact of the matter is most people mistake his clarity for laziness or stupidity. When in reality it takes a great degree of genius to make clear and simple things so complex. But to know this, you need to understand the sophisticated abstractions. Which most people don't. Hence the large swarms of retards posting this shit
>>12964886
>>12964868

>> No.12964982

> WTF i thought zizek was going to talk about marxism being good now none of my notes make sense

lol

>> No.12964984

>>12964966
>>12963607
already been predicted

>> No.12964986

In terms of what the debate was supposed to be about: Marxism vs capitalism, as to which creates the most happiness, Zizek hasn't even defended marxism while Peterson has defended capitalism against marxism. So to me, Zizek lost the debate.

>> No.12964989

>>12964952
This is so obviously Gish galloping and the worst part is he doesn't need to to btfo of peterson. Zizek is just on autopilot

>> No.12964993

>>12964971
right, zizek's thoughts are not easily slotted into any existing ideology because he formed his beliefs by spending his entire life examining different tendencies and synthesizing them into something unique. he is an intellectual. intellectuals always have frankenstein monster ideologies. zizek's is sensible compared to peterson.

>> No.12965007

>Zizek baits himself into the problem about oceans and environment in general
>Baits Peterson by talking about the South Africa civil wars and how Capitalism isn't solving it

Oh boi, this is gud

>> No.12965009

>>12964931
Hes usually super scatter brained which is why I'm not a huge fan of his talks (aside form him being coked out of his mind most of the time). Although hes actually more on point right now and doing well in his 3rd act here.

>> No.12965010

>>12964966
Peterson is obviously talking shit, Zizek is just rambling. I guess Zizek wins by default.

>> No.12965017

>>12964982
Basically. All Peterson had to do was read Zizek, and he instead read fucking Marx.

>> No.12965021

>>12965007
I think in an academic debate, having to mention the Jewish aristocracy to answer a question definitely warrants a forfeit to the asker.

>> No.12965024 [DELETED] 

Zizek BTFO's Peterson's idea that (((egalitarianism))) is the product of Marx and (((South Africa)))

>> No.12965027

>>12964993
>synthesizing them into something unique
No he isn't. that's the main criticism of him.

>> No.12965032

>>12964776
>AfricanNationalist
kek how are the african nations working out

>> No.12965039

>>12964931
you just require people to tell you how to think. Dumbass. Leave lit

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ROMANCE BLOOMS ON THE DEBATE STAGE

>> No.12965048

>>12964975
That was a spicy take

>> No.12965050

>>12964986
Marxism is a framework to criticize capitalism. It's not supposed to "create happiness". It's supposed to help people analyse the world they live in.

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>>12965032

JP bromance with Zizek

>> No.12965060

Peterson asking Zizek why he hasn't consolidated his cult following into a real militant movement

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>>12964971
he doesnt have one, read less than nothing: he's trying to synthesize pic related but probably wont in his life time due to needing to know what happens the morning after the revolution; hes not an economist, he tasks us to do it

>> No.12965064

"you're a character"|

>> No.12965067

>>12965021
Who mentioned Jewish aristocracy?

>> No.12965069

>>12965039
/leftypol/ Pseud. Zizek does tell you how to think, he handwaves massive discussions as if they have already been solved.

>> No.12965072

>>12965064
hahaha

>> No.12965082

>>12964986
Try reading the wikipedia page on Marxism before shitposting brainlet.

>> No.12965085

Dumbass Peterson didn't even study Zizek before the debate

>> No.12965093

>>12965064
the layers of irony when a caricature of a psychoanalyst project onto another psychoanalyst

>> No.12965094

>>12965085
He's a grifter, minimum effort, maximum $$$, his brainlets fans won't care one bit.

>> No.12965098

This is the problem with debates they are friends and now Zizek isn't actually a Marxist. These 2 fags just wanted to get along, so abandoned their differing views. You think Achilles and Aegemmon would pull this shit?

>> No.12965099

>>12965069
hahahaha I've been called /pol/ countless times but this is the first time I've been called /leftypol/ on lit. tonight's the night

>> No.12965102

>>12965085
Zizek didn't study peterson either. peterson let Zizek turn the debate into zizek masturbating himself.

>> No.12965113

WOOOOO HEGEL

>> No.12965116

Zizek's opening was almost word for word the same thing he read in another youtube video recently

>> No.12965121

>>12965098
>Achilles and Aegemmon
you want blood you fucking peasant

>>12965102
Zizek has written lots about Peterson. shut up

>> No.12965122

>>12965102
The idea of even trying to compare their bodies of work to each other is hilarious.

>> No.12965128

peterson is gassed, get him some milk

>> No.12965134

>>12965098
yup

>> No.12965141

>>12965116
he's a famous self-plagiarist

>> No.12965165

There are no problems with Marx fuck this shit

>> No.12965168

The amount of leftypol zizek pseuds that will infest /lit/ over the next while is going to be suffocating.

>> No.12965180

Peterson just died.

>> No.12965181

well, that was a mixed metaphor

>> No.12965182

the eternal question is finally posed

>> No.12965183

zizek, my guy, take it easy, oh my lord

>> No.12965184

This is a clever way of posing the no true marxist argument

>> No.12965186

>>12965121
It's just verbal masturbation. All philosophical battles are actually just excuses to go to war. Day to Day life is mostly the same once humans adjust to it

>> No.12965189

>when this guy references Lacan, Hegel, Marx's writing but all you can do is repeat your cliff notes from the communist manifesto
oh my god

>> No.12965192

Damn Zizek went hard.

>> No.12965193

>>12965121
>>you want blood you fucking peasant
What other fucking reason is there to watch this packaged "intellectualism"?

>> No.12965217

>>12965168
I hate niggers and trannies as much as you, but back to red dit you brainlet pleb

>> No.12965218

ZIZEK: THE PEOPLES (COMMUNIST COLLECTIVE) CHAMP

>> No.12965222

"That is precisely a non-marxist gesture par exellance"

Damn, Zizek.

>> No.12965223

conclusion: actually everyone with a brain hate sjws and postcolonialists

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Holy shit Zizek is going for the kill.

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yow

>> No.12965239

>>12965193
I believe Zizek just went rough on him

>> No.12965240

>>12965217
I'm not concerned with niggers and trannies. I'm concerned with gaytheist pseuds.

>> No.12965246

did marx create the categories of oppressor and oppressed? his key insight is stating this relationship is economic. not inventing the relationship.

>> No.12965252

>>12965223

But how is that related to Marxism?

>> No.12965254

>stellinist
peterson gets the wall

>> No.12965260

looked at that cucked body language on Petersons part while Zizek is openly just aggressively pointing in his face.

it's over

>> No.12965268

peterson is done for

>> No.12965271

>well, that's where we might have a dispute about Marxism, I wrote the communist manifesto after all
is this guy mentally challenged or something, what the fuck

>> No.12965273

>>12965260
it's the body language of someone treating a patient

>> No.12965274

>>12965239
That's nice, first time today he wasn't talking to himself. Let's see if that moment of sobriety will hold

>> No.12965279

Peterson needs to address Zizeks assertion that any negative feelings against something that's morally wrong is pathological. Gay fucking Buddhist shit without any of the detachment.

>> No.12965280

Peterson thinks Derrida and Foucult were Marxists LMAO this brainlet retard doesn't read

>> No.12965284

>>12965254
Zizek gets it too

>> No.12965293

>>12965280
this isn't even about marxism, it's about modernism.

>> No.12965296

>>12965280
He couldn't even be arsed to read anything more than the communist manifesto, he is a complete joke.

>> No.12965297

>>12965240
I have a piece of advice, the best and truest anyone will give you: kill yourself

>> No.12965298

>>12965284
well yes, but he gets it later than most

>> No.12965301

>>12965280
bruh they were post modernists too, you can be anything you want when you're a post modernist

>> No.12965303

GET HE ASS ZIZEK FUCK DONA TRUP FUCK DONAL TRUMP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upPR_b3es3I

>> No.12965320

Peterson: i-its no wonder no one invites you to places!

>> No.12965325

>>12965284
of course, moralizing does no good for us

>> No.12965332

>>12965297
Stop being so upset you aren't getting pseud cred for thinking zizek is a genius and you are smart for being able to understand what he talks about.

>> No.12965341

Be honest, you all are too stupid for this.

>> No.12965350

>>12965246
>his key insight is stating this relationship is economic. not inventing the relationship
Anon, please.

>> No.12965358

>when you try to strawman Foucault but someone you're talking with has actually read Foucault
OH NO NO NO

>> No.12965361

>>12965341
you're projecting anon.

>> No.12965364

>>12965332
I don't think he's a genius, I think you are dumb

>> No.12965365

>>12965341
no u

>> No.12965368

>>12965341
No I'm looking down on both of these brainlets

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>tfw you read your hegel

>> No.12965372

Zizek isn't engaging Peterson on his own terms.
>>12965341
No one here needs to pretend they understand peterson. He's being very sophomoric. The people who are too stupid are the ones getting swept away by zizeks gish gallops.

>> No.12965378

>What is true happiness and how is it attained?

Phil 101 essay inbound.

>> No.12965380

>>12965358
That must have been the first one for him kek

>> No.12965385

>>12965341
no because this outcome was correctly predicted down to the very winning rhetoric stemming from petersons model being dogshit to begin with

>> No.12965388

>>12965341
brainlet

>> No.12965395

>>12965364
You think you are intelligent for liking zizek, and are upset people aren't giving you the pseud cred you deserve.

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>>12965368
This

>> No.12965399

the back and forth has gotten pretty good. shoul've skipped the first hour

>> No.12965401

>>12965358
The only thing Zizek said was "my understanding of Foucault isn't the same as yours", how does that invalids Peterson's argument?

>> No.12965420

>>12965399
The back and forth is retarded. Each response is just leading to a non-sequitur to discuss.

>> No.12965421

>>12965372
>The people who are too stupid are the ones getting swept away by zizeks gish gallops.
so by your admission zizek too stupid for zizek

>> No.12965424

>>12965401
its a backhanded way of saying youre wrong

>> No.12965428

>>12965401
Peterson has no understanding of Foucault because he hasn't read Foucault and clearly has no idea about his anti-Marxist views which Zizek has pointed out.

>> No.12965441

>that's why cupid has arrows
why is he so cute

>> No.12965445

>>12965424
That doesn't mean anything if you don't actually prove the person is wrong.

>> No.12965461

>>12965399
this
Zizek should have given a bit of cocaine to Peterson before the debate and it should have started as a conversations instead of an essay presentation

>> No.12965463

oh fuck not the love thing again, please zizek

>> No.12965467

>>12965428
Peterson's critique of Foucault has always been about about modernism, not his supposed marxism.

>> No.12965469

>>12965421
I think Zizek has some amount of self awareness and is being intentional.

>> No.12965473

>>12965420
how illiterate can you be

>> No.12965487

get a third positionist to obliterate both of these fools

>> No.12965488

>>12965467
He literally just called him a postmodernist, not a modernist, you know that those two things aren't the same, right? kek

>> No.12965489

>>12965395
hahahah you are as over the target as JP

>> No.12965507

the son asking the father why he has been forsaken isn't God becoming an atheist who the fuck takes this shit seriously? Zizek has been doing shit like this all day.

>> No.12965522

>>12965487
I'm a third positionist and agree with almost everything Zizek has said.

>> No.12965548

>>12965445
he followed it up with saying foucault was against marxism, bringing him up is irrelevant hence he had no real point

>> No.12965555

Lmao Zizek going for the throat and exposing peterson for the ideological fraud he is

>> No.12965560

>>12965522
>I am a third position without third position opinions

>> No.12965568

THATS LIFEE

>> No.12965578

>>12965522
because you're a pseud and let zizek get away with lots of crazy shit because he goes over so much so briefly.

>> No.12965599

Peterson was shallow and banal. Zizek was offensively obnoxious.

>> No.12965605

>>12965507
>who the fuck takes this shit seriously
Peterson apparently.

>> No.12965641

>>12965605
Peterson is obviously so confused and overwhelmed he just wants to go over his talking points to save points.

>> No.12965646

>>12965568
that's a knockout if this were boxing>>12965555
nice quads

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All shitposting aside; the direct interaction has been great

>> No.12965664

>>12965599
reddit vs 4chan

>> No.12965674

>>12965641

It was Zizek that brought up religion

>> No.12965686

>>12965664
Amazing how broad the applicability of this dichotomy is

>> No.12965688

>>12965507
The son and the father are both God so explain why not

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>Peterson talking about Jesus
>zizek talking about toilets

>> No.12965754

dad, not the toilet joke AGAIN -_-

>> No.12965778

>>12965688
it was just invoking Christs human nature. Like Job he couldn't understand the fathers nature. He never became an atheist, he merely questioned his understanding of the fathers nature, or if you really want to claim grew to resent him.

>> No.12965801

>>12965754

Zizek is a failed comedian masquerading as a philosopher

>> No.12965826

>>12965778
That's pretty much what modern atheism is . Rather than arguing against God's existence most of them just say "God was bad so I don't believe in him"

>> No.12965827

>>12965801
he's no different from my grandpa who just looks for an excuse to tell the same joke again and again, the content only is different

>> No.12965876

>>12963564
Smart animal

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There's a lot of agreement from Zizek happening here

>> No.12965930

>>12965826
Even so, it can just as well be interpreted as humility of jesus part. His cry was sincere and not a condemnation of the father. it wasn't "dad is bad" But "please tell me what i did wrong so i can repent, correct myself etc even if my fate is the same" Christ had already accepted his fate, his cup just overflowed and he wasn't able to handle it stoically. he's fully human after all.

>> No.12965953

Zizek is very smart, but at the end of the day he's still a h*manist

>> No.12965971

>>12965953
Zizek is a sophist. he's not smart.

>> No.12965974

>>12965930
Is this what Peterson talks about when he describes it as "merciful" ?

>> No.12965991

>>12965971
>he's a sophist
>he's not smart
ok brainlet

>> No.12965992

>>12965971
>sophist are dumb
you stupid fuck lol

>> No.12966001

>>12965971
t. have never read any works of an ancient Greek sophist

btw you know sophist and sophisticated and sophia come from the same root, right?

>> No.12966055

Disgusting appeal to centrist modernism.

>>12965991
>>12965992
>>12966001
sophists are just manipulative, maybe zizek would be smart if he invented some new effective form of sophistry but he's just using tired tactics. he's gish galloping and brainlets are being entranced by him because he is saying a lot of shit.

>> No.12966068

>>12966055
>>12965991

>> No.12966078

alex jones on rogancast has nothing on this

>> No.12966100

Ah, such bathos, but it was clear what the outcome would be long before that hasty conclusion arrived. I will look fondly back on this evening as the clash between the preeminent intellectual titans of our times. Between Zizek's dazzling anecdotes and assertions and JBP's staunch classical liberalism (the very same kind which Guénon was so critical of), through their vigourous dialectic we have all been enriched, and for this I am most thankful.

>> No.12966106

>>12966055
dude you're dumb as shit

>> No.12966176

>>12965826
What you mean with modern atheism?

>> No.12966179

>>12966106
You can keep repeating the mantra all you want, I share your insecurities.

>> No.12966187

>>12965953
Zizek is an anti-humanist Althusserian.

>> No.12966210

>>12966176
Atheism as manifested by highschool fedora lords and homosexuals. It's God is bad so I won't believe in him, and a science circle jerk to hide behind. It isn't a sincere and intellectual rejection of Gods existence as a concept.

>> No.12966222

No audience questions?

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>>12964749
>don't worry it's a short book
God damn Z, put some lube on

>> No.12966264

>>12966210
Ah, yes. You're right. Atheism as a identitarian movement. rather than a posture on god.
I hate it. It doesn't have anything new to begin. Best case scenario is just badly understood Hume.

>> No.12966276

>>12966179
kill yourself

>> No.12966295

>>12966276
You already tried that one too.

>> No.12966316

>>12966295
dude you're wrong about everything you have ever thought about...you are worthless

>> No.12966376

>>12966316
No u

>> No.12966637

>>12964309
Themselves.

>> No.12967774

>>12964107
their model suck but in a way marx and lenine would be proud of them

>> No.12968658

>>12963316
https://www.strawpoll.me/17850950
https://www.strawpoll.me/17850950
https://www.strawpoll.me/17850950

>> No.12969418

>>12964550
nice try

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