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Peterson vs. Zizek Thread Fri Apr 19 07:40:05 2019 No.12958637 [Reply] [Original]

>tonight is Peterson vs Zizek, Jung vs. Lacan, Kant vs. Hegel
>in the right corner, perpetuating traditionalist ethics through philistine reductionism, we have Jordan B. 'Yourself' Peterson
>and from the left and not, rambling incoherently and consistently evading critical inquiry, Slavoj 'the Homeless Meme-Man' Zizek.
>no thread up
What gives? Disregarding the commonly shared expectation that they just talk straight past each other, saying they disagree when they agree, one strawmanning the other, etc., and disregarding the doubt as to whether we'll be able to interpret Zizek's sniffles and whether Peterson can handle his meds -- what hopes/wishes do you have for this debate? Other than a stream
And what would you like to dicsuss/know beforehand? For example, can a kind anon provide me with material of/from Zizek with details on his view on contingent action/free will?
AND who will come out on top and sate his male desire to kill and win?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 07:41:31 2019 No.12958643 >>12958637 How many bongs til it starts and will there be an illegal stream?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 07:44:03 2019 No.12958651 >>12958637 >who will come out on top Peterson for the sole reason he's a way better orator

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 07:47:38 2019 No.12958666 I have a feeling that it will be shit and yet it'll be thoroughly discussed for at least a year

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 07:47:38 2019 No.12958667 File: 97 KB, 832x1177, IMG_20190412_081340.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12958637 Please if anyone finds an illegal stream share it here with everyone.

Peterson vs. Zizek Thread Fri Apr 19 07:48:02 2019 No.12958671

>>12958643
For some reason I had figured 19:00 (probably because 19 April), but apparently it's 11:00 AM Toronto time and in just a few bongs, with multiple showings https://www.google.com/search?q=zizek+vs+peterson&oq=zizek+&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j0j69i57j69i59j69i61j69i60.868j0j9&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
and hopefully, if not it'll probably be uploaded later and live discussion reserved for aristocrats and shitposters.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 07:48:44 2019 No.12958675 >>12958637 Nobody will win but hopefully a lot more people will be interested in Zizek.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 07:50:45 2019 No.12958682 File: 74 KB, 300x250, 1464184210941.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12958637 >peterson >kant

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 07:51:16 2019 No.12958684 https://youtu.be/1Q46AoR80M4 I’ll take my payment in (you)s

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 07:55:12 2019 No.12958695 >>12958637 Zizek has more depth, but Peterson has more order in his ideas. People will believe whatever they want after the debate if they previously liked them one of the two. I just hope some good memes out of it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 07:55:49 2019 No.12958699 >>12958684 is it it?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 07:55:54 2019 No.12958700 File: 79 KB, 530x824, e006054108da7bc09871648ccb99147d.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12958684 Thank you anon, have a qt3.14

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 07:58:01 2019 No.12958709 >>12958684 activate a chat pls o great anon

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 07:59:10 2019 No.12958716 >>12958684 Hell yeah nigga

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 08:00:31 2019 No.12958720 Society wins if it comes to realize that psychoanalysis is a waste of time.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 08:03:35 2019 No.12958726 File: 138 KB, 683x817, 9cc.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12958720 >consciousness is a waste of time

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 08:04:03 2019 No.12958728 >>12958720 this is why Zizek is superior because he at least tries to be more than therapy which, at least as far as professional therapy is concerned, is ikey bullshit

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 08:04:08 2019 No.12958729

>>12958637
Some will claim Peterson won, others will be sure that in fact Zizek had the upper hand.
In reality they won't adress each other but will digress in monologues that have little to do with each other, saying each other's names from time to time.
Zizek will tell a joke or two about Stalin, Peterson will talk shit feminists and go home with bills coming out of his pockets.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 08:07:37 2019 No.12958739 >Debates Zizek >not Dugin Lmao yeah I bet

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 08:13:30 2019 No.12958748 >>12958684 you mad bastard. Thanks anon. Is Youtube going to get pissy with me if I watch it? Do I have to log off to be safe?

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 08:13:49 2019 No.12958750
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I think Zizek speaks too cryptically for it to palatable to most people. Cryptic in the sense that the terminology he uses aren’t relatable to a layman. At least that’s how, as a layman, I see it.

I’m slowly reading through the Bronze Age, so it’s going to be a while.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 08:17:17 2019 No.12958761 >>12958748 Worst case scenario they hijack the stream and strike the dude's channel

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 08:23:34 2019 No.12958775 File: 48 KB, 600x300, zizek_sex.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12958637 Bump

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 08:28:42 2019 No.12958793

>>12958682
Yeah, considering Peterson thinks 'explaining postmodernism' by Stephen Hicks is a good source I wouldn't be surprised if Peterson lumped Kant in with the post modernists. Wouldn't even be surprised if he thought that's why academia considers him one of the greatest of all time.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 08:29:17 2019 No.12958796 >>12958761 It won’t be popular enough for that, it’s not a UFC card.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 08:29:43 2019 No.12958798 >>12958684 based and altruisticpilled.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 08:32:03 2019 No.12958807 >>12958671 Starts at 1930 Toronto time.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 08:37:09 2019 No.12958830 File: 396 KB, 639x394, 1_FWhXV1P3RKl0Yw1LxL_ewQ.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12958637 I can't wait

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 08:39:14 2019 No.12958839

>>12958793
The way I see it, the line goes from Kant to Freud and then to Jung and Peterson, Freud retaining much of Kant's categorical thinking as well as his rejection of the 'Ding an sich', but he goes one step further and critiques the reason as critiqued by Kant.
Meanwhile Lacan, although a structuralist and also used to a very schematic kind of thinking, remains much closer to Hegel in their mutual obsession with the dialectics of subject/object and totalities and what have you.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 08:48:48 2019 No.12958863 >>12958684 Cheers, anon.

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 08:52:08 2019 No.12958876

>>12958726
>psychoanalysis has a monopoly on the understanding of consciousness
>>12958728
But he uses it to create a therapeutic approach to solving social problems. It’s a shame because he can be pretty insightful.
>>12958793
I think I read that Hicks identifies Hume as the first postmodernist, so I so don’t know what nonsense Peterson thinks about it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 08:52:11 2019 No.12958877 >>12958684 open a chat

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 08:59:17 2019 No.12958902 >>12958684 Thank you, anon<33

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 09:01:38 2019 No.12958911

>>12958839
Wanted to add: Freud was (or purported to be) a materialist, and Kant represents latent materialism insofar as the final drive towards knowledge comes from the 'Anstoß' outside. How is evolutionary psychology not materialist Kantian? As for Hegel, he was also criticised for disregarding the subject/personal action (see Kierkegaard) by elevating the human spirit to that of consciousness, but his idealism points to Lacan.
I agree my genealogy isn't completely clear or sound, but I'll still say I'm in the right direction.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 09:03:01 2019 No.12958914 When does it start from now? Don't give me any of that AM/PM CEST UTC +2 wintertime bullshit

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 09:03:13 2019 No.12958915 >>12958637 >Other than a stream https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q46AoR80M4&feature=youtu.be

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 09:04:24 2019 No.12958923 >>12958651 Peterson is boring, always start talking about how smart his friends are, or how many hours he spent thinking about shit. Just say whatever you want to say, i don't care how you spend your free time

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 09:05:25 2019 No.12958930

>>12958651
yes, Zizek unironically said he was afraid of him, but they won't speak directly to each other, so it will just depend on who can meme the audience harder, not on having to say consistent shit. Which means Zizek can just make people laugh and ramble about random shit and come on top if people like him enough

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 09:05:57 2019 No.12958931 >>12958914 It’s literally just 11 EST brainlet

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 09:06:47 2019 No.12958938 >>12958667 there'll definitely be a stream,Peterson is very popular

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 09:07:49 2019 No.12958942

>>12958667
>thumbs up symbol
problematic
>>12958675
and what does Zizek has to offer? voting for Bernie and being a unironical social democrat with no answer to the problems of modernity? Peterson doesn't either, but at least he is confronting the problems of the mainstream, even if he does it poorly

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 09:09:05 2019 No.12958948

>>12958695
>Zizek has more depth
i don't think Zizek has much insight on anything anymore, most of his talking points and "problems" with the establishment are like entry-level internet right wing talking points, and he doesn't really take them much further except for giving them a small left wing bend which doesn't lead anywhere

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 09:22:46 2019 No.12959009

>>12958948
The man has been wildly prolific and has already written his best works. He's been doing his own thing and all sorts of crazy schemes for ages, I just appreciate the publicity this gives him. And I agree that Zizek today is a bit tame and vague.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 09:24:29 2019 No.12959016 >>12958666 >I have a feeling that it will be shit It is literally impossible for it not to be shit

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 09:27:33 2019 No.12959030 >>12959009 >The man has been wildly prolific he copy/pastes the same book 3-4 times per year... but yeah, old people don't produce new ideas

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 09:27:39 2019 No.12959031 They’re both full of shit, but Zizek is based and self aware. Peterson is fucked in the head, he’s got a serious messiah complex

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 09:28:44 2019 No.12959038 >>12959031 >self aware >communist kek

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 09:33:00 2019 No.12959059 >>12959038 I’m uberpol, commies may be distasteful but zizek is a good laugh

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 09:33:04 2019 No.12959060 >>12958930 Zizek has less to lose so that can be an advantage for him. It's going to be a dick-swinging contest either way.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 09:36:35 2019 No.12959072 >>12958942 >but at least he is confronting the problems of the mainstream Problems which include?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 09:36:36 2019 No.12959073 File: 49 KB, 620x350, Dark-Enlightenment-Nick-Land2334683534.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] The winner should debate /ourguy/ for maximum keks

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 09:36:48 2019 No.12959075 >>12959038 Do you have a problem with Communism, MAGAtard?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 09:38:15 2019 No.12959080 >>12959073 Land would completely wreck either of them but nowhere would give him a platform.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 09:39:10 2019 No.12959085 it's gonna be the chompsky vs aids man of our day. I'm so excited

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 09:41:17 2019 No.12959092 >>12959059 Is distasteful the /pol/tard equivalent of problematic?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 09:41:19 2019 No.12959093 >>12959080 Prc maybe?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 09:43:02 2019 No.12959096 >>12959092 do you even pol It's obviously 'degenerate'

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 09:43:19 2019 No.12959097 >>12959060 >Zizek has less to lose i think Peterson knows he won't last long in the spotlight, that's why he is squeezing as much money as he can from his audience at this moment

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 09:44:00 2019 No.12959100 >>12959085 >aids man Lmao

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 09:44:23 2019 No.12959101 >tfw toronto antifa are probably wasting their time protesting this instead of actual white supremacists

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 09:45:46 2019 No.12959104 >>12959092 haha maybe you’re right, my beliefs are essentially entirely based upon the aesthetic

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 09:45:55 2019 No.12959106
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>>12959093
what's Prc? in the UK Land was going to have a debate at LD50 but antifa shut it down and there was all that debacle with the DC Miller guy holding a free speech card and getting lynched on the street

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 09:46:34 2019 No.12959109

The insidiousness of Jordan Peterson lies in that he simultaneously reduces timeless wisdom to self-help jargon and common sense advice while also affirming the righteousness and desirability of modernity. All of the problems that Peterson tackles are themselves just various manifestations of modernity itself, but nothing he talks or writes delves into this larger problem or how to deal with it. To the contrary, he takes religious texts that contain profound wisdom and teachings passed down through the ages and uses them as corporate bug-man self-help advice for kids who weren't raised properly. Peterson low-key pushes a mythos that western society in modernity is fundamentally just and a good thing and that aside from some irrational, stupid and greedy people that you have to deal with that everything is okay in principle.

This couldn't be more wrong. Since the emergence of civilization most of the them were united by religious traditions teaching metaphysical knowledge. All the problems of the western mentality and society stem from the loss of this. Christ, the Neoplatonists and to some extent the Hermetics and certain Greek mystery cults all had it too but the Church eventually became an encrusted coffin of doctrine with no accompanying realizations to be had hence why it failed to prevent modernity from arising in the west. Without being connected to any higher understanding in any significant amount among it's intellectual elite, western society has ever since the renaissance has in free fall accompanied by materialism, nihilism, scientism and various other forms of spiritual and cultural degeneration. Peterson affirms all this as good by buying into the faulty idea of the linear progression of civilization and humanity and by shilling it to his unaware fans.

Did you ever figure out why Peterson never seriously delves into eastern thought aside from a few boomer references to Buddhism and Confucius? It's because it totally destroys his worldview and offers completely different solutions to the ideas he address. Why did one of the largest and most impressive bodies of spiritual literature ever emerge out of society with a caste system? Most of the societal problems he address wouldn't even arise in a traditional eastern civilization pre-modernity but just reflect the state of the modern west. It's bad enough that he does all of this already but then he takes one of the few sources of timeless wisdom that are tradition in the west and reduces it to a source of bland common-sense life advice instead of a window to transcendental truths wherein lies the solutions to all problems.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 09:47:21 2019 No.12959113 >>12959101 >actual white supremacists that would be hard to find, and even if they find them they may fight back better harass random mild-mannered academics that don't agree with every single one of your points

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 09:47:30 2019 No.12959114

>>12959097
Peterson has a fucking enormous following and there is nobody else competing for his position. Literally no other person has his pseud academic cred alongside his meme heresy against progs, combined into a Frankenstein of selfhelp faggotry. he is in his own little ecosystem

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 09:47:37 2019 No.12959115

>>12959109
JP is probably qualified to talk about psychology because he has a PhD in psychology and has had a clinical practice for however many years, has work published, etc. But he also seems to think he is qualified to talk about every subject and he's just... not. People think he should be a source of authority on society but that's not how this shit works. I've heard professors say some pretty dumb shit before. You can spend years specializing in one field and not know anything about another.

If you think JP is the best intellectual of our time name five other currently writing public intellectuals with the same level of credentials as JP whose work you have critically engaged with. I'll be waiting. But somehow I think you are just as loathe to actually engage with thinkers you disagree with as Jordan "Post-modern Neomarxism" Peterson.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 09:49:08 2019 No.12959122 >>12959109 >eastern thought >solutions if eastern thought has solutions, why is the east getting memed even harder and faster than we did by modernity?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 09:50:06 2019 No.12959127 >>12959101 Antifa is notorious for fighting anything but actual fascists. They're a bunch of retards.

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 09:50:43 2019 No.12959128

>>12959113
I'd actually be happy if antifa types would set up their "Left Wing Death Squads" and go to rural areas in the US fighting rednecks.
Maybe you could build a TV show around it.
Imagine these millenial hipster types riding in their hybrid Prius in all black, going to some tiny town in rural Michigan, hunting down "white supremacist".

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 09:50:48 2019 No.12959131

>>12959114
Peterson has no answer to progressives beyond "the same buy slower", big things on the internet fall down fast, and Peterson is too old to come up with new ideas to adapt

he will follow the same destiny that internet atheists and anti-sjws did before

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 09:52:35 2019 No.12959140 >>12959131 progs are very easy to attack on the internet, you can just accuse them of censorship and they will prove your point for you I really don't see progs becoming pro free speech any time soon, it's trending the opposite way

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 09:52:50 2019 No.12959141 >>12959128 i think antifa just wants to feel like heroes and rebels, not having to do actual work or change anything

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 09:53:20 2019 No.12959143 >>12959127 >They're a bunch of retards. They're a bunch of rich kids playing revolutionists and I'm almost certain they're being propped up because their image and actions turns away working-class from real left-wing politics.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 09:53:57 2019 No.12959149 File: 231 KB, 1112x900, gaotse2.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12959106 People's Republic of China.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 09:54:04 2019 No.12959150 >>12959141 they want to be the sort of socialist rebels that have megacorporation owned newspapers write glowing opeds about them

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 09:54:19 2019 No.12959151 >>12959127 Funny I seem to remember us smashing Faith Goldy pretty thoroughly. You can be certain that not every fascist is famous enough for you to know about. In fact you can be sure that you know very little in general, obviously.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 09:54:50 2019 No.12959152 >>12958739 >Dugin leave this place

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 09:55:04 2019 No.12959155 >>12959151 you should go smash the Aryan brotherhood, they sure have a lot of nazi tattoos

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 09:55:09 2019 No.12959156 File: 235 KB, 500x508, memed-io-output(2).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12959122 Didn't you hear? Modernity is racist my dude

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 09:56:28 2019 No.12959160 >>12959151 Every time I tell any of you yankee faggot revolutionary wannabes in some big city chapter to man the fuck up and make molotov cocktails you recoil like imbeciles Antifa are the jews of the left

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 09:57:04 2019 No.12959161 >>12959150 Was the extinction rebellion in london another champagne socialist thing?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 09:57:47 2019 No.12959164 WWE PRESENTS: Alexander dugin vs slavo zizek, vs jordan peterson vs noam chomasky vs nick land vs ted kacynzki (accompanied by armed guard) vs steven pinker ROYAL RUMBLE LIVE THIS SUNDAY SUNDAY SUNDAY

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 09:58:23 2019 No.12959167

>>12959140
but progressives have shown in the last year that it doesn't matter how bad you made them look, they can get away with anything

like banning Peterson's book after the NZ shooting, doesn't matter it had nothing to do with it. Or the covington catholic debacle, even the church, the school and all the national review conservatives were ready to throw the kids under the bus to placate the progressives until some internet right wing retards decided to actually watch the video

and they paid no price for it because they are unstoppable at this point, the intersectional coalition works perfectly and there's no alternative coalition that the right can form at this point

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 09:58:37 2019 No.12959168 >>12958739 He really doesn't seem that articulated. Here's Fukuyama and Dugin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIiKiDnMSFw

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 09:59:45 2019 No.12959175 >>12959143 >They're a bunch of rich kids playing revolutionists on some cities it was rich progressives picking up homeless kids and brainwashing them, like that BAMN group with the crazy asian womanlet

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 09:59:45 2019 No.12959176

>>12959160
I’m not a wannabe, I’m the next Lenin. We don’t do things like “molotov cocktails” at the behest of random retards and we avoid it in general because we’re not stupid enough to run into a wall with our face. Instead, we’ll run THRU the wall when it’s cracked and crumbling and we have a battering ram. Of course you wouldn’t understand that, though.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 09:59:47 2019 No.12959177 File: 142 KB, 736x1068, 1548597219796.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12959151 >jewish conservitards are fascists I can smell your pustulous AIDS corpulence from this mere post

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:00:36 2019 No.12959181

>>12959160
Fucking thought exactly this.
At least go all the fucking way.
>>12959161
Yes, middle-class brits acting like they are saving the world.
After the protest, they'll go back to their cozy detached houses, located in the safe outskirts of London central, drink their chai tea and eat their avocado fucking sandwich, listen to some BBC ideologue praising their efforts and think they've actually changed something.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:00:45 2019 No.12959182 >>12959149 ah yeah, china likes Land

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:00:49 2019 No.12959183

>>12959167
Progs are in control, everyone knows that. Peterson is just selling to disaffected centrist-rightist-whatever the fucks.

The Right don't form coalitions and never have, they make little paramilitary organizations and stage coups, and then impose a hierarchy on the rest of the population. If any serious Right exists today it's a sleeper cell in the US military but I highly doubt anything like that is happening

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:00:58 2019 No.12959184 >>12959167 are you retarded dude? Destroying the left is easy, you just need to activate circular firing squad mode

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:01:31 2019 No.12959186 >>12959168 He does struggle in English but he’d still demolish Peterson. He has the exclusive benefit of the truth on his side in every exchange.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:03:22 2019 No.12959190 >>12959181 How do we get the working-class involved in left-wing politics again?

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:03:55 2019 No.12959192

>>12959141
This is correct. They're just the leftist version of the paranoid anti-semitic right: society is a harmonious whole on the way to a bright future, but the JEW (in it's many guises) is the outside factors which disturbs everything.
The antifa version of this is the same, except replace jew with right-wingers/reactionaries/fascists.
The imaginary figure of the fascist also helps sustain their own identity as righteous hero's, even though they don't work and contribute nothing.

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:04:38 2019 No.12959196

>>12959177
We’ll decide who are the fascists, thanks. It’s common sense that fascists rarely self-identify as such. Fuentes is another example, he’s just like Goldy. Appeal to the mainstream by affecting mere conservatism but we’re not stupid enough to miss his signals.

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:04:39 2019 No.12959197

>>12959184
>Destroying the left is easy
yes, the intersectional coalition will blow itself up at some point or another, but there's nobody ready to capitalize on it

maybe islam, but i think they are too retarded to create a cohesive front instead of starting shooting each other

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:06:32 2019 No.12959201 >>12958684 based basedanon

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:07:02 2019 No.12959205 >>12959196 Again the actual guys running around calling themselves white supremacists with the nazi tattoos and rifles, you are curiously absent But a jewish conservative eceleb! Then Antifa is right on the case

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:07:36 2019 No.12959209

>>12959190
the working class only exists in the third world, unless you are memeing for some kind of third worldism your ideology makes no sense

in the first world only bourgeois and lumpenproles remain, both of which were considered a reactionary force by Marx. the proletariat wasn't just a random guy getting a wage, it worked as a class because it was the productive class that shaped society and that opened the possibility for its emancipation, you don't have that in the west anymore

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:08:41 2019 No.12959212

>>12959190
I honestly don't fucking know.
Even here in Finland, the leftist parties (SDP-Social Democratic Party, Vasemmistoliitto-leftist coaliton and Vihreät-the greens) are fucking working class repellents, they hate the people living outside of metropolitan areas, they think they are braindead racists who can't think for themselves and they need a wise, multicultural and woke saviour from Helsinki, to tell them what they need and how their life is.
And then these fucking retards wonder why our populist right wing party (Perussuomalaiset) is the second largest party by 0,2% to the largest party (SDP) and why most of it's voters are from the rural middle of Finland.
And they aren't going to wise up (the left).

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:09:40 2019 No.12959216

>>12959197
Well i guess you really are retarded.

There are so many fault lines in the democratic party. The feminists hate the trannies, the muslims hate the gays, white women of color hate the white feminists, etc.

But also the social democrats and the neoliberals hate each other.

Here is a saying about american politics for your small brain

"the republican falls in line, the democrats fall in love"

You are living on mars if you think the left is united

The left is basically stalin stabbing trotsky with an ice pick forever

You can already see the tension between the colored girl collation headed by AOC and one of the avatars of neoliberal white feminism, nancy pelosi

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Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:10:23 2019 No.12959220

>>12959190
lol, the left has abandoned that. they prefer to literally import brown workers because they may be easier to brainwash.

Too bad brown people are actually people with their own legacies to carry and not pawns to be socially engineered by leftist intellectuals, it's going to be a shitshow

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:10:30 2019 No.12959221 >>12959209 Do you think nobody is paving roads in the US or something?

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:12:39 2019 No.12959225

>>12959216
>You are living on mars if you think the left is united
they don't need to be ideologically aligned as long as they have your stuff and institutions to pillage and share the spoils among their heterogeneous groups. And there's nothing you can do against them.

yes, they will blow up when they run out of your stuff to share, but you still have a lot of stuff to pillage in the meantime.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:13:24 2019 No.12959228 >>12959016 >It is literally impossible for it not to be shit Are you aware those are meme intellectuals for an audience of ppl in their early 20s? Chances that something actually interesting happening, beside comedy value, are in fact quite low.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:13:27 2019 No.12959229 >>12958684 My nigga thanks

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:13:38 2019 No.12959231

>>12959205
>Again the actual guys running around calling themselves white supremacists with the nazi tattoos and rifles, you are curiously absent
This is too nonspecific for me to even argue about. What are you describing? A trio of random Nazis at Applebees? A KKK rally? A Charlottesvillesque march?
We’re a pretty consistent nuissance to fascists, just ask them. And you’re still acting like Goldy isn’t a “real” fascist. She is, not only by the textbook standard (though she keeps it on the DL) but, most importantly, by our standard.

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:13:38 2019 No.12959232
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Do you know how many heads are going to roll if bernie gets the nomination. You know his vp is going to be a non white woman too.

The neolibs and white feminists are going to be purged from the democratic party. This going to lead to 2028 when the republicans run a white woman (after having absorbed the neoliberals and white feminists/terfs) and the democrats run a woman of color and the presidential election turns into a giant cat fight over who will be the first female president

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:14:25 2019 No.12959233 >>12958684 thank you, anon.

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:14:26 2019 No.12959234

>>12959221
i'm not saying workers literally don't exist, i'm saying they don't shape society anymore as they did during Marx time when all society was centered around industrial production and the proletariat was a big homogeneous mass of people that played a key role shaping society

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:14:28 2019 No.12959235 >>12958684 luv u <3

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:14:38 2019 No.12959236 What is supposed to mean working class in today's world? Blue collar workers?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:14:47 2019 No.12959238 >>12959073 Has ourguy nick actually written anything about either of them? I love to see what he thinks about Zizek

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:15:35 2019 No.12959243 >>12959231 >but, most importantly, by our standard. your paranoid delusions you mean, you're like flyover retards calling Obama a communist

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:15:51 2019 No.12959244 >>12958739 Dugin is a Jason Unruhe tier nazbol tard.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:16:20 2019 No.12959246 >>12959232 >old white guy surviving the onslaught of the intersectional mafia primaries doubt that, but i'm ready to be surprised. My prediction is he will get twerked out of the stage by a bunch of black girls and he will shut up and take it

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:16:57 2019 No.12959248 >>12959232 Democrats are going to run AOC as soon as possible. She's their Donald Trump.

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:17:30 2019 No.12959249

>>12959238
Zizek is a bunch of tryhard, ambiguous words that seem half compliment half censure, Peterson is sensible, and he respects him for that, but on the whole ignorant, and not to mention milquetoast.
There you go, now you know what he would say.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:17:45 2019 No.12959251 Apparently the format is that they take turns monologuing and then they take turns doing rebuttal so im kind of bummed because this means there wont be any epic zizek tangents

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:18:01 2019 No.12959252 File: 72 KB, 585x370, 1480647695235 (2).png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12959238

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:18:24 2019 No.12959254 >>12959038 Praise kek!

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:19:00 2019 No.12959257 >>12959248 She can’t run for years brainlet, she’s not even 30. And establishment dems don’t like her. DSA is trying to infiltrate and take over the party, the dems are more allied to corporations than they are the DSA.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:19:02 2019 No.12959258 >>12959251 >there wont be any epic zizek tangents Zizek talks are nothing but tangents, so don't worry

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:19:09 2019 No.12959259 >>12959212 >the parties formed around the idea of the superiority of the industrial working-class look down on the peasants What a shock!

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:19:10 2019 No.12959260 >>12959249 Would he really call him a tryhard considering what fanged noumena is like

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:20:32 2019 No.12959263 >>12959243 She unironically proclaims the 14 words. The 14 words are literally a fascist declaration. I have no interest in humoring your obfuscations further.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:21:18 2019 No.12959266 >>12959252 what a boomer he was so confused over yang gang when it was the hottest new meme too, kek

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:21:34 2019 No.12959267 >>12959257 Learn to read

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:21:38 2019 No.12959268 >>12959238 >Nick Land: Okay, that’s great. That’s really… This has been great fun, Justin. Best of luck. I would even go as far as “best of luck” with your communist blockchain, as long as you’re not looking for an investment.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:21:54 2019 No.12959270 >>12959244 Wow yeah so true except not at all, that weirdo is someone who happens to agree with a philosophy that Dugin INVENTED, they’re not comparable intellects you total numbnuts.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:23:06 2019 No.12959276 File: 72 KB, 850x400, quote-race-it-is-a-feeling-not-a-reality-ninety-five-per-cent-at-least-nothing-will-ever-make-me-benito-mussolini-255138.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >racism=fascism When will this meme end?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:23:33 2019 No.12959278 >>12959263 You have never even read the Doctrine of Fascism you are literally like a 19 year old peterson follower talking about the Gulag Archipelago as an example of Marxism

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:24:03 2019 No.12959279 >>12959267 Why did you even bother to respond with this stupid shit? Either try or shut the fuck up.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:25:05 2019 No.12959281 >>12959278 Ad

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:25:07 2019 No.12959282 >>12959263 Son,, you need to go do your two year tour of duty on /pol/ and stop shitting up this thread with your ignorance

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:25:38 2019 No.12959284

>>12958651
Should be the minimum required of him, considering he used to be a psychotherapist.

I don't see how he could do that job nowadays. He is too public, too outspoken. A rando entering his office would already know more about him than Peterson could learn about his patient in a dozen sessions. It would make the whole thing about him instead of the client.

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:28:54 2019 No.12959296
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>>12959196
Those people generally serve as water muddling obscurantists in opposition to the growth of fascism

t,been arrested for actual "hate crime" in diligent opposition to your faggotry

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:29:05 2019 No.12959298

>>12959278
Yeah you’d love to feel esoteric but it’s no harder to comprehend the concept of fascism than democracy.
Fascism is hypernationalism with an explicit concern for race. Goldy is a hypernationalist who has expressed explicit concern for her race.
Stop feeling yourself for having read books, we all have, check the board. And drop the ad hominems, they’re fine as spice to a meal, not fine when there is no meal. In other words, brainlet, you’ve said nothing of substance.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:30:14 2019 No.12959301 >>12959298 You could just read the text, it's not long. Wanting your race to not go extinct is not fascism, only white people are accused of being fascists for that

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:30:28 2019 No.12959304 If Peterson is a catholic, why is he spending his evening with Zizek instead of praying?

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:31:17 2019 No.12959309

>>12959296
>Those people generally serve as water muddling obscurantists in opposition to the growth of fascism
We disagree. The tattoo’d skinheads and KKK geezers will never pose a real threat. Fascists like Fuentes and Goldy who are clever enough to “play the game” are the biggest threat.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:32:11 2019 No.12959313 >>12958930 what do you mean they won't speak directly to each other?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:33:00 2019 No.12959322 File: 84 KB, 640x428, F9-C448-C7-C5-C7-4-D90-B53-A-010-ADB56424-C.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12959304 he is a satanist

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:33:14 2019 No.12959323 >>12959304 He is trying to save his soul

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:33:46 2019 No.12959325 >>12959209 ...so what now?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:33:57 2019 No.12959327 >>12959122 because fucking nobody bothers with them it's all very good to be the birthplace of daoism and chan buddhism, but if everyone's wittering on about faux-communism and vague folk religion then you can't do shit

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:34:10 2019 No.12959328 >>12959301 >Wanting your race to not go extinct is not fascism Not by itself no, because by itself it’s nothing more than a sentiment. But it requires fascism to achieve. You know this.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:34:44 2019 No.12959331 >>12959313 A diaogue. Imagine them being separated by a wall and they both get a recorder and a script. And once the other has finished recording their script, the recording is transferred to the other.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:35:01 2019 No.12959332 How long is this meant to be anyway?

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:35:24 2019 No.12959334
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>>12959313
it means each will give 30 minute speech. Each will give a 10 minute answer to the other's speech. and they they will answer public questions, but no back and forth

it's somewhere here at 12:44 time mark
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTtwrqtBI00&t=12m44s

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:36:26 2019 No.12959338 >>12959325 now you need a new theory of revolution, if you still believe in that stuff

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:36:38 2019 No.12959340

>>12959328
All it requires is freedom of association and no immigration, ie. US pre 65 immigration reform and Civil Rights

Fascism is a totalitarian system that isn't necessarily racial, Italy was not like Germany, very different from an apartheid republic

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:36:59 2019 No.12959342 >>12959334 What a bunch of bullshit, I'm glad I'm not paying for this

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:37:34 2019 No.12959344 >>12959332 following this >>12959334 i'm guessing between 1h30m to 2h but Zizek is really old and tired, so he may try to cut it short for his health

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:37:58 2019 No.12959348 >>12959328 World wide international socialism would work just as well, consider for the ethnic make up of east euro under the soviets vs europe under capitalism now Now shoo boy, go do your tour of duty >>>/pol/

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:38:45 2019 No.12959353 >>12959342 there's free stream links on this thread if you don't want to finance Peterson's daughter's instathot life

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:38:58 2019 No.12959356 >>12959266 He wasn't confused. He just thinks Social Democracy is literal Fascism for some reason.

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:39:00 2019 No.12959357

>>12959340
Even if you totally shut the borders of America today (I’m assuming you’re American), you’d still end up a minority within fifteen years and the birth trends would continue to grow against you. It would require fascism to expunge the other races; and even if that were done peacefully, the act of closing down the borders and authoritatively expunging other races is textbook fascism.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:40:57 2019 No.12959367 >>12959304 It's the Socratic "noble lie" from his pov.

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:41:12 2019 No.12959368
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>>12959309
Noble ideals have already been imparted on the youth of today to oppose the globo homo, it's a pervasive influence extending all over an internet used by every young white person, all impatient of suffocating restraints placed on them in the physical world. You're an ignorant boomer if you think the KKK and neo-nazi stereotypes from the 90's are your trouble of tomorrow.

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:41:14 2019 No.12959369

>>12959183
Progressives don't control anything because when you are in control you are conservative. If you can't come up with a definition that doesn't include the New York Times and Council on Foreign Relations you're definition is useless.
What do you mean by "the right"? Who's on "the right"? Liberals or National Socialists? If the US military is the only place you find them and the most friendly institution then was ending conscription bad for the right? Boosting the role of the military over civilian institutions wouldn't necessarily even achieve what you think. Remember McCarthy said they were filled with commies to!

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:41:46 2019 No.12959371

>>12959357
Allowing white people to live in their own cities and not be forced to rent to other races(freedom of association) would make it a moot point if they became minorities in the country. Allowing them to own guns would prevent minorities from attempting to victimize them as well

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:43:50 2019 No.12959380 >>12959371 That’s true, but hardly representative of what Goldy had in mind.

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:45:12 2019 No.12959386

>>12959369
the only thing that hasn't moved left is the economy, and the only reason for that is that the effects of the economy are felt immediately, so you don't get to play social engineering games where the consequences are paid far ahead in time so that you are gone once shit hits the fan

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:45:21 2019 No.12959387 >>12959368 >You're an ignorant boomer if you think the KKK and neo-nazi stereotypes from the 90's are your trouble of tomorrow. Indeed! You’re responding to a post in which I share the same sentiment.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:45:45 2019 No.12959388 >>12959356 Orthodox Marxist-Leninist position

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:46:08 2019 No.12959394 File: 230 KB, 500x913, E4394FB4-C400-44DC-A988-03297178342E.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12958876 >Stephen Hicks

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:47:20 2019 No.12959397 >>12958684 You are a true warrior of Allah.

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:48:44 2019 No.12959404

>>12959369
The left want to get rid of hiearchies, the Right want to maintain them. In practice the 'left' once they get into power(ie the top of the hierarchy) obviously find that they can't get rid of hierarchy because that is literally how they can exert power in the first place as an agent.

they have different goals. Really there are few pure leftist(anarchists, some communists) or pure rightists(divine right patriarchal monarchy or whatever)

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:49:45 2019 No.12959409 EVERYBODY ON THIS THREAD CAN SUCK MY DICK

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:50:22 2019 No.12959413 >>12959038 Based and redpilled.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:51:35 2019 No.12959417 >>12959409 >on Nice esl, faggot

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:53:14 2019 No.12959426

>>12959340
>All it requires is freedom of association and no immigration, ie. US pre 65 immigration reform and Civil Rights
The majority of white people didn't want "freedom of association", they wanted and demanded laws on the books to outlaw race mixing in the early half of the century.
https://archive.org/details/DuBoisLothropStoddardDebate

Also immigration restrictions mean freedom of association is a falsity. You have to have a developed system of control to monitor people to accomplish it which will continuously ramp up to control more of everything.

>>12959371
White people will not be satisfied with that and you know it. Eventually they don't want to perform dirty work and have to get poors to do it for them and a system of apartheid develops. Also the history of the gun debate isn't good for your point:
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/09/the-secret-history-of-guns/308608/

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:53:51 2019 No.12959430

>>12959387
Faith Goldy, Milo, Ben Shapiro etc are not only past the date of expiry for whatever influence they could've ever laid claim to among the minds of the white youth, but they've always also had as their principal audience old fellow Jewish boomers.
You don't have to look farther than your average American or European highschool to find the burgeoning generation zyklon raised on the internet among forums like 4channel.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:56:02 2019 No.12959446 File: 37 KB, 398x376, 1554213813536.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12959426 > Eventually they don't want to perform dirty work and have to get poors to do it for them imagine thinking and believing this LMAO

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:57:07 2019 No.12959451

>>12959430
You’re correct that Milo and Shapiro are irrelevant. But you’re incorrect if you think Goldy is of their ilk, or irrelevant.
As for your second threat of a Gen Z fascist uprising, let me give you a hint. The DSA isn’t Democratic. And we’ve already got highly influential young people in congress, and more coming. You’ll be too late, and civilian.

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:58:11 2019 No.12959453

>>12959426
Then why exactly did the state find it necessary to force whites to rent to minorities?

If some whites want to live with minorities then they are perfecly welcome to, assuming said minorities want them there, and if others don't then they don't have to.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:58:21 2019 No.12959455 File: 212 KB, 451x666, 1552668481005362410715.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12959426 >>12959430

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>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:59:22 2019 No.12959459 >>12959301 Do people really think it's possible to whites go extinct?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 10:59:34 2019 No.12959460 >>12959451 The military is mostly white republican men btw. And the police. And the civilian gun owners

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:00:38 2019 No.12959465 >>12959459 I personally don't find it plausible, but I think we are going to see 20th century Lebanon happen to a lot of white countries, which is pointless and retarded

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:00:49 2019 No.12959466

>>12959404
No one wants to get rid of "hierarchies" as such. The argument is which are "good" and which are "bad". You can say the right is more patriarchal and the left is more matriarchal as a simplification. For example:

1. Patrist: Restrictive attitude to sex . Matrist: Permissive attitude to sex;
2. Patrist: Limitation of freedom for women . Matrist: Freedom for women;
3. Patrist: Women seen as inferior, sinful . Matrist: Women accorded high status;
4. Patrist: Chastity more valued than welfare . Matrist: Welfare more valued than chastity.;
5. Patrist: Politically authoritarian . Matrist: Politically Democratic;
6. Patrist: Conservative: against innovation . Matrist: Progressive: revolutionary;
7. Patrist: Distrust of research, enquiry . Matrist: No distrust of research;
8.Patrist: Inhibition, fear of spontaneity . Matrist: Spontaneity: exhibition;
9.Patrist: Deep fear of homosexuality . Matrist: Deep fear of incest;
10. Patrist: Sex differences maximised(dress) . Matrist: Sex differences minimised;
11. Patrist: Asceticism, fear of pleasure . Matrist: Hedonism, pleasure welcomed;
12. Patrist: Father-religion . Matrist: Mother religion;

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:01:35 2019 No.12959467 >>12959466 >Patrist: Restrictive attitude to sex . Matrist: Permissive attitude to sex; Fucking why would that be the allocation

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:02:49 2019 No.12959470

>>12959451
>let me give you a hint. The DSA isn’t Democratic. And we’ve already got highly influential young people in congress, and more coming. You’ll be too late, and civilian.
No idea what you're implying with any of this, or the silly threat at the end. Why'd you call me a civilian as well? LARPing faggot.

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:03:26 2019 No.12959473

>>12959460
That’s a basic bitch point and you know it. Everyone is a conformist. When the powers that be tell them to jump they say how high. That’s civilian, military, whatever.
We’re also not dumb and hamfisted. We’re not going to take power and fly a communist flag over the whitehouse while declaring on white men or whatever you’re thinking. It will be a gradual process spearheaded by a charismatic. You’re flat unfamiliar with history, revolutions are frequent and today’s first world isn’t specially exempt.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:03:55 2019 No.12959475 >>12959470 He's false flagging. Actual people from leftypol hate the DSA and socdems.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:04:47 2019 No.12959479 >>12959470 >No idea what you're implying with any of this Yes, I discerned by how you started our engagement with a mindbogglingly total misunderstanding of one of my posts that you weren’t the sharpest.

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:05:38 2019 No.12959486

>>12959466
That is a very bizarre way to look at politics. Matriarchies(have we ever seen a complex matriarchy?) would have no reason to do lots of that stuff. It seems like you're just shoehorning stuff into the categories

The Right is undoubtedly patriarchal, but that's because patriarchy was one of the forms of hierarchy it sought to maintain.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:06:10 2019 No.12959488 >>12958637 >For example, can a kind anon provide me with material of/from Zizek with details on his view on contingent action/free will? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GSgl4WgN7hc

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:06:33 2019 No.12959489 >>12958684 Thank God for buttpiracy.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:06:54 2019 No.12959490 >>12959473 If youre familiar with history then you should be aware of what the likely outcome of your revolution is. It's going to be a dictator murdering most of you for being counter revolutionaries

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:07:25 2019 No.12959494

>>12959475
Not at all. I can assure you that I’m legit and that I know what I’m talking about.
Random anons hating the DSA are just that, random anons. They see what’s happening on the surface and rightly prefer something more authoritarian. They don’t even understand that a game is being played, let alone how.

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>>12959479
Excuse me if your implication that Faith Goldy is some sort of threatening paragon of fascism that the alt right are rallying around was too beyond the pale of retardation for me to accept as your or anyone's true and genuine belief. I give you brain addled faggots too much credit to think of you as more than the typical lemming you'd find at a fuck drumpf rally in burgerland. kill urself lol

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:09:28 2019 No.12959503 >>12959356 Succdems did propup fascists in Germany

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:11:36 2019 No.12959509 This thread is evidence that Western political thought is a disaster. There is no salvaging it.

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:12:16 2019 No.12959511

>>12959453
To promote integration as a political objective. (I'm not saying this was right or not) Most white people wanted "states rights" not "freedom of association", don't pretend otherwise. Freedom of association means no "states rights" and total anarchy.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:12:32 2019 No.12959513 >>12959490 Wow so true, just like Nicholas II. Stellar argument.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:12:48 2019 No.12959516 Imagine unironically paying to go see this

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:13:14 2019 No.12959518 File: 36 KB, 305x320, 56465165132.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12958684 Based and pihlosopilled.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:13:42 2019 No.12959521 >>12958684 >live in 8 hours Is that correct?

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:13:46 2019 No.12959522

>>12959475
Commies go on about how much cooler they are than DSA or shitliberalism but guess who they’re happily lining up to vote for when push comes to shove?
It’d be like an isolationist or nu-right type saying “fuck principles” and cheerleading John McCain because uhhhh at least he’s better than Barack *Hussein* Obama aka “BO”

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:14:00 2019 No.12959523 >>12959513 You cannot be serious, you want to bring up the Bolsheviks as an example of a revolution going well?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:14:41 2019 No.12959529 >>12959248 AOC is commonly known as one of the worst politicians even among Dem voters. Her Eco-fascist meme project got 0-53'd by Senate. She can be the next Warren at best.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:15:24 2019 No.12959533 >>12959494 >I know my shit You really don't newfriend, now go do your two year tour of duty on /pol/ thanks in advance comr8 Remember to take a copy of Dialectical and Historical materialism with you

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:15:38 2019 No.12959535 >>12959522 If that were the case Clinton wouldve been president by now

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:16:17 2019 No.12959540 >>12959523 ... considering it was successful... yes... I would bring it up as such an example...

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:17:19 2019 No.12959546 >>12959533 >You really don't newfriend If I told you my name you would know it, can’t say the same about you. But keep posturing anonymously if it makes you feel better.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:18:12 2019 No.12959548 If you honestly think Fascism can exist within Angloid society, which is characterized by its fundamentally backward view of how authority relates to society, you are hopeless, a janissary of liberal Progessivism.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:18:49 2019 No.12959550 >>12959523 I think turning the dying shithole of Europe into the 2nd world superpower within 3 decades is quite a success

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:18:50 2019 No.12959551 >>12959540 It was successful for the people that weren't murdered yeah, are you going to be one of those?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:19:39 2019 No.12959557 >>12959529 4m followers. First time congresswoman at 29. The bill got rejected because politicians on both sides of the aisle are paid for. This has no bearing on her electability or revolutionary potential. Use common sense.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:19:41 2019 No.12959558 File: 137 KB, 960x720, katana.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12959546 >If I told you my name you would know it,

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:19:48 2019 No.12959560 >>12959550 Russia isn't a superpower.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:20:13 2019 No.12959567 >>12958684 well I know what I'm doing tonight thanks anon

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:20:14 2019 No.12959566 >>12959550 You mean turning a country with a functioning culture, people, and aristocracy into a murderous inefficient hellhole by just pouring serfs into a meatgrinder

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:20:15 2019 No.12959569 >>12959546 >If I told you my name you would know it Go on then, also a photo with a shoe on your head with a timestamp

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:20:17 2019 No.12959570 >>12959451 >. And we’ve already got highly influential young people in congress and traps taking over as soon as you gain any relevance, like it already happened in plenty of small DSA organizations

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:20:44 2019 No.12959575 >>12959551 Ideally.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:21:21 2019 No.12959581 >>12959465 you know what they say, paris is the beirut of europe

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:22:48 2019 No.12959589 >>12959575 Just got to avoid those purges comrade, good luck with that. Assuming your gay little group arent the modern Mensheviks, and some other part of the intersectional homo cabal doesn't get the jump on you

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:23:41 2019 No.12959592 >>12959489 buttkrieg

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:24:33 2019 No.12959596 >>12959560 The USSR was. >>12959566 I love how you lumped aristocracy into the bundle as if thats a good thing, neck yourself monarchist cuck

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:24:47 2019 No.12959597 >>12959509 and that's a good thing, here's why

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:25:07 2019 No.12959598 >>12958839 the way you see it is wrong friendo. you skipped a few hundred years

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:25:11 2019 No.12959601 >>12959151 Are you seriously bragging about smashing a woman? Jesus Christ dude at least man up and go after the bankers or the oil companies or something, at least then you'd get some real respect.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:25:53 2019 No.12959603 >>12959516 the last tickets costed something like $1500, not sure if anybody bought it though feels scummy literally squeezing bugmen like that

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:25:55 2019 No.12959604 >>12959601 I’m a woman. I didn’t do it personally, using the royal we.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:26:10 2019 No.12959605 >>12958684 Truly based

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:26:56 2019 No.12959606 >>12959596 Aristocracies are the only social organizations that have ever created higher art or philosophy. I get people like you hate that stuff because it makes you feel inferior and you want everybody to be a homogenous grey mass

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:27:18 2019 No.12959611 >>12959604 >I’m a woman. You aren't, stop larping

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:27:54 2019 No.12959613

>>12959529
but Dems have memed themselves too hard, now they have no weapon against AOC without looking like literal Drumpf
>For nearly four years, members of America’s ruling class, especially those in the media, the academy and government, have operated on one central, unquestioned assumption: orange man bad.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/18/opinion/barr-media-trump.html

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:27:55 2019 No.12959614 >>12959604 Trans "women" aren't women.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:27:58 2019 No.12959615 >>12959604 do you like being choked in bed

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:28:11 2019 No.12959618 >>12959606 >Aristocracies are the only social organizations that have ever created higher art or philosophy. This has to be a troll. There is not this isn't a troll.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:28:14 2019 No.12959619 >>12958911 holy shit, imagine thinking the father of German Idealism is a materialist lmaoing at your life. Unironically recommend you read the Transcendental Analytic just to see how wrong you are.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:28:44 2019 No.12959622 >>12959589 >Just got to avoid those purges comrade, good luck with that. That would be you.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:29:20 2019 No.12959625 >>12959606 >Aristocracies are the only social organizations that have ever created higher art or philosophy. This has to be a troll. There is no way this isn't a troll.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:30:05 2019 No.12959628 >>12959622 Yeah no Communist party members were ever purged

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:30:12 2019 No.12959629 >>12959604 >I’m a woman. you'll never be

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:30:30 2019 No.12959633 >>12959596 Why do you prefer rule by intelligence agency to rule by a king/aristocracy? (Yes, communism and progressivism are in fact "rule by intelligence agency")

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:30:36 2019 No.12959634 >>12959122 What is the century of humiliation for $300, Alex

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:30:58 2019 No.12959635

>>12958637
Evola already won
>Nothing is more evident than that modern capitalism is just as subversive as Marxism. The materialistic view of life on which both systems are based is identical; both of their ideals are qualitatively identical, including the premises connected to a world the centre of which is constituted of technology, science, production, "productivity," and "consumption." And as long as we only talk about economic classes, profit, salaries, and production, and as long as we believe that real human progress is determined by a particular system of distribution of wealth and goods, and that, generally speaking, human progress is measured by the degree of wealth or indigence—then we are not even close to what is essential...

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:31:06 2019 No.12959638 File: 343 KB, 813x850, 1530381715001.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12959604 >I’m a woman. oh no no no the absolute state of the demsacks and commies itt

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:31:13 2019 No.12959640 >>12959606 but what about a bunch of paint splatters on a wall? or a bunch of dildos glued together? or a toilet in a musem? i bet you could never come up with anything that

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:31:37 2019 No.12959642 >>12958684 REPORTED TO MODS AND AUTHORITIES

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:31:51 2019 No.12959644 >>12959635 >The materialistic view of life on which both systems are based is identical; A lot of people pointed this out from 1850-1950

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:31:59 2019 No.12959645 >>12959628 You’re assuming that what has been is absolutely necessarily what will be. You’re wrong. We won’t be as clumsy and hamfisted as the Soviets.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:32:31 2019 No.12959648 >>12959634 well, they burned their own traditional stuff to "de-humiliate" themselves, which they did, but it doesn't seem to have used a lot of "eastern wisdom" exactly

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:33:24 2019 No.12959653 >>12959644 Can you share some names?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:34:07 2019 No.12959658 >>12959603 How much did they cost at the start?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:34:37 2019 No.12959659 >>12958684 he was the best of us

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:34:40 2019 No.12959660 >>12959645 but the ideology of revolution is still the same: the utopia is just a few more murders ahead

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:34:48 2019 No.12959661

>>12959645
>it will be different this time
Even if you win for a bit, what if you get Robespierre'd after a few years by some group you never even thought of?

The thing about revolution- it is messy, it's chaotic, it creates power vacuums for dictators. Your best case scenario is what USSR 2.0 with less purges? So an empire that lasted 70 years while being outcompeted by fat Amerilels

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:34:58 2019 No.12959662

>>12959604
Yeah I didn't assume you did it personally, sweetheart, and I don't give a fuck about what gender you are.
All I said was you're bragging about taking down a target a kid who got his growth spurt early could've managed.
If you actually want to make change then go after the people who actually count and who are actually making the world a tangibly worse place. If you punched one of these oil magnates instead, who are actively shitting all over the planet, or these Wall Street bankers who fuck up whole countries so they can make a quick buck, you people would actually be liked.
Instead you brag about taking down a woman who barely did shit. Well done.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:35:18 2019 No.12959665 >>12959645 >we won't be as clumsy as the Soviets >American Oh no no no no.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:35:52 2019 No.12959667 >>12959660 do you really think french and Russian revolution didn't bring any long term changes in human lives?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:36:25 2019 No.12959672 >>12959653 Nock, Cram, Chesterton, Pobedonostsev. Basically anyone shilling for some sort of spiritual or cultural value instead of economic, material markers

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:36:30 2019 No.12959673 >>12959658 probably something ridiculous if the livestream already costs $14.95 USD

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:37:14 2019 No.12959676 >>12959662 ummmm that'd be anti-semitic though

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:37:31 2019 No.12959678 >>12959667 nothing of value except toilets and dildos in museums

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:38:55 2019 No.12959688

>>12959662
Yeah and why don’t we nuke Israel as well, we’re really lacking.
Progress is a ladder. We’ll deal with the bankers and corporations when we have the means.
You’re also framing it as if I claimed Goldy’s head and paraded it around as our most illustrious accomplishment. She’s not nothing, for sure, but I very simply referenced her when someone else said we don’t actually go after fascists. She’s just an example of the fact that we do. Not the summation of all our efforts.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:39:45 2019 No.12959692 >>12959658 $1000, these kikes think they're the rolling stones

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:40:19 2019 No.12959694 >>12959688 but are literally being used as the crash forces for bankers and corporations

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:40:45 2019 No.12959695 >>12959688 Progress is a meme you inherited from the old Christian concept of Providence. History does not tend towards progress You are just children burning capital

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:41:26 2019 No.12959697 >>12959678 retard or underage?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:41:40 2019 No.12959698 >>12959619 I reflect recent scholarly opinion on the matter, kiddo

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:42:27 2019 No.12959701 >>12959695 technological progress is real, social progress is not

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:42:36 2019 No.12959703 >>12959688 >Progress is a ladder. We’ll deal with the bankers and corporations when we have the means. You have the means already, you lack the will >She’s just an example of the fact that we do Nah, she's a glaring example of the fact that you don't

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:42:46 2019 No.12959704

>>12959220
>literally import brown workers
Can we honestly stop saying that, fucking nowhere in the world are foreigners being "imported" and in every state there currently is a migration crisis governments are making it more harder to migrate or get granted asylum or are trying their damned hardest to boot migrants out of the country.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:43:00 2019 No.12959706 >>12959694 Who? You dropped a preposition.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:43:13 2019 No.12959708 File: 128 KB, 600x600, TH_401_Monster_Makeup_Teeth_FX_Thumb__43771.1537568642.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12959409 me first

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:43:16 2019 No.12959709 >tfw deaf Gotta wait for a while before I get to watch it with YouTube's captions.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:43:28 2019 No.12959710 >>12959697 imagine unironically believing in the enlightenment meme in the current year of our lord and savior

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:43:29 2019 No.12959711 File: 186 KB, 738x669, 1550606129485.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] tap tap tap*

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:44:23 2019 No.12959713

>>12959635
More importantly, the power structure is essentially the same in the US and USSR. In the USSR you have the Party central committee as a ruling elite, in the US you have social clubs centered around universities which act as feeders for the equivalent of the Party. The CIA/KGB are the core instrument of governance. Both have a materialist worldview and both have led the way in social engineering.>>12959640

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:44:30 2019 No.12959715 >>12959704 lol, are you from the past or you memeing me?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:44:35 2019 No.12959716 File: 53 KB, 706x671, FB_IMG_1554571800688.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12959672 Thank you fren

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:45:31 2019 No.12959717 >>12959709 imagine lip-reading Zizek

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:45:36 2019 No.12959718 File: 23 KB, 375x375, 1380639806745.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12959619 >reading comprehension latent, brainlet. Latent.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:45:43 2019 No.12959721 >>12959635 >everything gets commoditized & transactional at the expense of everything else >b-but there are other things in life than markets, hence capitalism irrelevant, we don't need to do anything about it, goyim Evola confirmed neoliberal shill.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:46:03 2019 No.12959723 >>12959709 Youtube has captions for streams, it's less precise though

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:46:56 2019 No.12959727 >>12959715 Are YOU memeing me? Nobody is "importing" immigrants.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:48:04 2019 No.12959731 >>12959727 UAE construction or Japan fishing industry objectively does though.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:49:32 2019 No.12959739 >>12959721 Evola would presumably ride his tiger in a socialist regime as well. he doesn't care is the point

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:50:34 2019 No.12959743 >>12959739 Sounds like a copetard to me

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:51:18 2019 No.12959745 >>12959073 Zizek is an accelerationist.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:51:30 2019 No.12959746 File: 430 KB, 870x1187, 1555687296213.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] what about this?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:51:33 2019 No.12959747 >>12959731 Yeah, sure buddy, because those are the places people mean when they talk about "importing brown people".

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:51:51 2019 No.12959749 >>12959660 So? >>12959661 There will be no vacuum in America, any more than there was after Lenin. In fact, less so.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:52:27 2019 No.12959751 >>12959743 You get that Evola's entire thing is about a metaphysical world beyond the material? If youre going to call him cope, that would be where you start

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:53:22 2019 No.12959753 >>12959745 zizek barely knows what's a car

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:53:33 2019 No.12959754 File: 74 KB, 662x635, 13811.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12959746 would you be more psyched for Zizek on Rogan than Zizek vs. Peterson? I probably would

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:54:23 2019 No.12959760 >>12959749 that an ideology centered around killing people will kill people

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:54:38 2019 No.12959761 >>12959122 Because the west kidnapped the east at gun point in the last ~300 years? WE forced modernity on them. Its not a flaw of them that they werent able to resist

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:55:02 2019 No.12959763 File: 59 KB, 395x401, 1448084040927-1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12959753

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:55:19 2019 No.12959765

>>12959739
While the observation "consumerism is bad" is correct (though about as insightful as "living in society"), Evola doesn't offer much theory to counter the market effects (while certain strains of socialism/fascism do) which are the inherent to loss of spirituality & tradition. The stance of "focus on spirituality & tradition, markets are irrelevant" doesn't make much sense.

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:55:21 2019 No.12959766

>>12959749
Are you actually so childish you think your revolution(which is almost certainly not going to happen) is going to end in the first ever peaceful and just society in all of human history? I get that you're a woman but just be serious for a second here

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:56:00 2019 No.12959768 >>12959760 I understand that, I just don’t know why you’re saying it. Is there a point you’re trying to make beyond stating the obvious?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:57:38 2019 No.12959775 >>12959486 It’s because patriarchies are the only societies that can survive so they’re the only ones you’ll encounter.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:57:49 2019 No.12959777 >>12959766 Of course not, but it will be a massive improvement. (And it will happen. The pieces are already in place. Pay closer attention.)

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:57:56 2019 No.12959778 >>12959766 They're unlikely to be a woman judging by the writing style

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:58:16 2019 No.12959780

>>12959765
Evola's stuff is directed at a small minority of people who would sort of 'retract' from society and live in a spiritual plane, meaning the mode of production is irrelevant. He doesnt really care about the masses

As I understand it(not very well) the esoteric traditions are just these tiny little secret groups carrying on amid a vulgar public

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:58:16 2019 No.12959781 Does this have a bump limit?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:58:41 2019 No.12959783 >>12959768 you seemed to imply here >>12959645 that this revolution would purge less people for some reason in response to this >>12959628

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 11:59:05 2019 No.12959785 >>12959751 >Evola's entire thing is about a metaphysical world beyond the material Sounds like cope

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:00:09 2019 No.12959790

>>12959777
>it will be a massive improvement.
highly doubtful
> (And it will happen. The pieces are already in place
if you stick dynamite under a bridge you can be assured the bridge is going up, but the end configuration of rubble is pretty hard to predict

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:00:18 2019 No.12959793 >>12959781 Testing

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:01:02 2019 No.12959796

>>12959783
I see! My assumption was that your implication was that (stay with me) there would be Stalinesque purges within the party itself. I’m saying there won’t be because Stalin was Stalin and not only have we learned better, but nobody else is Stalin. There will be purges but they will be outward, not inward.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:01:18 2019 No.12959798 >>12959766 Not that anon but, why are you such a pussy? It's not a revolution if it doesn't involve bloodbath.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:02:13 2019 No.12959803 >>12959220 Do you really think rampant immigration is a left conspiracy? Jesus Christ, /pol/tards truly are the worst.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:02:23 2019 No.12959805 >>12959753 hey alright

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:02:32 2019 No.12959807 >>12959790 Socialism is better than capitalism, communism is better than socialism. If you’re on the side of capitalism you’re brainwashed.

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:02:47 2019 No.12959810

>>12959796
>hey will be outward, not inward.
you'll find you have a really hard time defining that. Especially if your group are taken from the modern intersectional Left, which I dont see how you couldnt be.

Also you could get someone much worse than Stalin

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:03:55 2019 No.12959815 >>12959807 Socialism as far as I know has never existed, there have just been a handful of dictators with weird totalitarian economic plans, so where are you taking your belief that it's better from?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:04:42 2019 No.12959819 >>12959807 Have you lived in a socialist state?

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:04:56 2019 No.12959822

>>12959793
Apparently not
>>12959796
>being this naive
Purges are for getting rid of people who don't get it within the party, there's no point purging outsiders, outside is where you go when you get purged
Now off you go son, do your two years of duty >>>/pol/ grownups are talking

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:05:19 2019 No.12959823

>>12959810
>you'll find you have a really hard time defining that.
The party will be clearly defined and unambiguous (DSA when we drop the D). Anyone outside of it counts as “outward”.
>Also you could get someone much worse than Stalin
We could, we could also get obliterated by a moonsized meteor. Neither are close to likely.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:05:36 2019 No.12959826 File: 2 KB, 103x125, shak.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12959753

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:06:05 2019 No.12959831 >>12959807 are you from new york?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:06:29 2019 No.12959832 >>12959815 Theoretically. I know the memes. It hasn’t been done yet. >>12959819 Come on.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:06:54 2019 No.12959833 >>12959815 >Socialism, as far as I know, has never existed Yes, because socialism cant exists, at least, Keynesian capitalism exists.

>>	TSJ !ujoY1xUXb. Fri Apr 19 12:06:56 2019 No.12959834 File: 81 KB, 238x256, BySOiyW.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Had there been any actual discussion in this thread yet? I'm in midwest, when does the stream start?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:07:42 2019 No.12959836 >>12959831 How absolutely arsemad must you be to make this comment Americans truly disgust me

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:07:52 2019 No.12959838 File: 156 KB, 960x960, Mob9CWP.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12959753 lmao zizek btfo

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:08:11 2019 No.12959840

>>12959823
And you're certain everybody in the DSA is really on your side, and wont ever betray you? You think you can just get rid of politics and intrigue? Have you even opened a history book? Stalin was not a worst case scenario, he actually functioned somewhat, you could get way more retarded outcomes

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:08:57 2019 No.12959846 >>12959838 "I claim none of them and at the same time all of them" is like pre-socratic 101

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:09:10 2019 No.12959848 >>12959832 Can u imagine unironically using your faith in humanity as the spinal cord of your ideology? Don't make me laugh anon.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:10:19 2019 No.12959851 >>12959848 What else are you supposed to use? All ideologies I can think of other than perhaps certain forms of anarchism are based around some assumption as to how humanity acts at its basic level.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:10:38 2019 No.12959852 >>12959832 >Theoretically. you're willing to bet your future and life on a 150 year old economic theory with no evidence of it ever existing?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:11:24 2019 No.12959854 >>12959851 Faith in something higher than humanity retard

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:11:32 2019 No.12959855

>>12959840
It won’t be perfect, it will just be cleaner is all I mean.
I’m very familiar with Soviet history and I can assure you that Stalin went above and beyond to secure *his* station. His interest was more in himself than the party. He had his best friend killed just because he thought there might be a day people like him more.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:11:50 2019 No.12959858 >>12959836 you're either from some self loathing american or some angery anlgocuck. Other countries don't matter

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:12:30 2019 No.12959859

>>12959851
>some assumption as to how humanity acts at its basic level.
The actual evidence here is that humans form hierarchical groups that ruthlessly exploit each other. That,s all large scale societies we have ever known of. You're blindly betting on that formula changing after you and friends murder some elites and try to take control of an unfathomably complex civilization.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:12:37 2019 No.12959861 >>12959852 I mean yeah? Why not? Humanity is politics, to be human is to politic. I’m just politicking in the direction I believe to be ideal.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:14:08 2019 No.12959867 >>12959854 Like Karl Marx?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:14:09 2019 No.12959866 >>12959855 And Stalin wasn't executed. Lots of other revolutionaries end in a ditch after a few years in power

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:14:13 2019 No.12959868

>>12959859
You don't know what the fuck I think you stupid internet debater
You believe humanity naturally must act in that way for whatever reason, is my point. So what else should you base your ideology on? >>12959854 actually made a point, which I hadn't considered (e.g. God), mostly because nobody does that nowadays.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:14:21 2019 No.12959869 "Communsim" in the US will be Lula da Silva + doubling down on American race psychosis.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:14:24 2019 No.12959870 >>12959851 Uh, today's capitalism. The Capitalist component acts more or less according to Darwinism and the state ensures more or less a general wellness of the population. I don't want anarcho-capitalism, but something similar would be great.

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:14:39 2019 No.12959872

>>12959466
Wow, talk about feminist mantra.

Homophobia: Christianity. Ton of past tribal patriarchies untouched by abrahamic religions were homosocial.
Spontaneity, Innovation: Dubious, especially when risks are involved. Women paradoxically prefer custom, homogenity and harmony. Men far more likely to be outliers (intellectual, social) than women. Virtually all research is result of male "competition" and the instinct to triumph over other men intellectualy, not by getting comfy with the way things are as women tend to be.
Sex differences: Present in both, to delineate gender boundaries.
Politically democratic: Deep ignorance how matriarchies actually function. Men still control politics, because violence is politics. Matriarchies function by strictly delineating politics from capital. In matriarchy, women control material and reproductive capital, but not war.
Authoritarian: All known matriarchies are tribal. Matrons indeed form "inner circle" council democracy (avoids violence), as opposed to single chief (succession by violence). Beyond leadership, proles exist regardless of which gender is dominant. They are separate caste and overwhelmingly bound by gender specific customs in either case.
Hedonism: Indeed the rare cases of matriarchies arise only in places with abundant resources and scarce inter-tribal conflict.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:14:54 2019 No.12959875 >>12959781 >>12959793 >>12959822 Never mind, we seem to be autosaging now There's another thread in case >>12958650 >>12958650 >>12958650 >>12958650 >>12958650

>>	TSJ !ujoY1xUXb. Fri Apr 19 12:15:01 2019 No.12959877 File: 1.02 MB, 1200x1080, 1555451033593.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12959861 Politics is a waste of brain cells

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:15:28 2019 No.12959882 >>12959861 >Why not? because that's insane. All reason points towards you a)failing, or b) setting up something probably worse than what we have now

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:15:50 2019 No.12959884 >>12959753 I don't get it

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:16:21 2019 No.12959886

>>12959866
Keep in mind we’re far more technologically advanced than the Soviets were. Imagine revolting successfully against the US today, even as it is; imagine it when we’re in power. There will be no possibility of significant opposition. Everything will be monitored and bugged and if necessary droned.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:16:31 2019 No.12959887 >>12959868 >for whatever reason, The reason being all evidence. If you believe humans are otherwise, state your case instead of getting butthurt

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:17:53 2019 No.12959893 >>12959886 So you actually want 1984 just so some people arent richer than you

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:18:16 2019 No.12959897

>>12959887
>the reason being all the evidence
What possible relevance does this have? This isn't about whether there's evidence or not. This is about YOU and everybody else except ISIS basing your ideologies on how you think humanity acts.

I bet you think I'm a Communist, lmao

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:18:26 2019 No.12959899 >>12959886 >blanquism Good luck kid, you'll need it

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:19:20 2019 No.12959903

>>12959882
a) is irrelevant, what do you care if we try and fail? As for us, striving to make the world a better place seems common sense. b) is your opinion and it’s wrong. If you haven’t read the Communist Manifesto yet you really should. Don’t just sneer at it because the media and the masses brainwashed by it tell you to. Read it and see. I’ve read Mein Kampf, Dugin and Evola. I’m not ignorant, I’m right.

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:20:09 2019 No.12959908

>>12959897
I dont know what you think because you wont just say it.

And if you think evidence is not relevant in deciding how to think of humans I have no idea what to tell you. No shit everybody bases their ideologies on their beliefs about reality. That doesn't mean the beliefs are all of equal value

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:20:59 2019 No.12959911 >>12959903 What's the mass line, kid

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:21:29 2019 No.12959916 >>12959903 Are you the person suggesting that the state should monitor and bug the entire population? Is that your idea of a better world

>>	TSJ !ujoY1xUXb. Fri Apr 19 12:21:30 2019 No.12959917 >>12959897 >how you think humanity acts. Pretty much this. Although it is how you think you act in conjunction to how you think humanity acts as well.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:21:35 2019 No.12959918 Fuck niggers.

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:21:46 2019 No.12959921

>>12959893
America is owned by bankers and brainwashed by corporations. You have no conception of how significant those things are or how seriously they bog dow our potential and quality of life. The 1984 aspect is only to prevent opposition and preserve the newfound freedom, equality and quality of life.
So technically yes, but really no.

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:23:20 2019 No.12959933

>>12959908
Because this isn't an argument about which ideology happens to be right you stupid fucker. It's not about HOW you think humanity acts. It's about the fact that you DO think about how humanity acts, and that's what you base your ideology on, just as it is in Marxism.

It's obvious you're desperate to prove how right your ideology is in an internet argument, but I just couldn't give two shits about it.

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:24:07 2019 No.12959935

China is currently in the process of proving that capitalism works best under a totalitarian regime. Once it exceeds everyone in military power and takes on collective West's (personified in America) role of pushing political agenda from a position of uncontestable power how will your view of capitalism change? Will you submit to your chinese overlords or will you try to fight them because DEMOCRACY GOOD?

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:25:01 2019 No.12959939

>>12959921
Im well aware that America is fucked up the ass by various elites. I don't think 1984 is preferable to that just because it would reduce inequality(it wouldnt anyway, your Party would be in control and would undoubtedly give itself luxuries)

Do you even hear yourself, you want to take away people's freedom to give them freedom?

>>	TSJ !ujoY1xUXb. Fri Apr 19 12:25:28 2019 No.12959942 >>12959935 Why would I want a totalitarian regime?

>>	The Nomad !N8Yn.I/WbM Fri Apr 19 12:25:36 2019 No.12959945 >>12959935 It will work until their country collapses from overextension

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:26:14 2019 No.12959947 >>12959933 Nobody ever disagreed that people base their ideologies on their beliefs, and that was at no time the subject of this conversation. You dont want to talk about your beliefs because you dont want to have to defend them.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:26:18 2019 No.12959948 >>12959942 Because you will be forced to want it.

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:27:33 2019 No.12959950

>>12959947
It was from the outset, but you wanted to make it about your huge dick swinging internet quagmire which will convince absolutely nobody to switch sides.
>You dont want to talk about your beliefs because you dont want to have to defend them.
That's what I literally told you, anon, well done.

>>	The Nomad !N8Yn.I/WbM Fri Apr 19 12:28:18 2019 No.12959956 >>12959948 This is the attitude a lot of the left has these days: “we feel that something would better if everyone believed a certain way, so we will propagandize and try to utilize social pressure to make everyone believe it.”

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:28:57 2019 No.12959961 >>12959950 Do women seriously interpret having to defend their beliefs as an attack? Why are you here, why are you even posting

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:29:09 2019 No.12959963

>>12959939
>I don't think 1984 is preferable to that just because it would reduce inequality
It would do a lot more than that. For one tiny example, since we’re on /lit/, what motivation would James Patterson have in a Communist society? Or any other grifter posing as an artist? The increasing dominance of hackneyed milquetoast Disney? The arts would see a dramatic revival and the consequences for American spirit and intellect would be unimaginable. That’s just one tiny example.
As for the 1984 nonsense, first of all it’s a work of fiction that’s paraded around in the real world a little too often. Second it’s already the case.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:30:07 2019 No.12959967 >>12959961 Because I thought you said something monumentally stupid and I wanted to see whether you'd realise it was stupid or not

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:30:12 2019 No.12959969 >>12959961 That’s not me. There are others in the thread.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:30:23 2019 No.12959970 >>12959963 Do you think Handel made good art? He did it under a very Right wing government

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:31:25 2019 No.12959976 >>12959967 You made no point except 'people base their ideologies on their beliefs', something incredibly obvious that nobody even disagreed with you about.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:31:49 2019 No.12959979 >>12959961 >I don't want to change the subject, I want to focus on the main topic we were talking about >HURR WOMAN WHY CAN'T YOU DEAL WITH ARGUMENT galactic brain anon

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:32:31 2019 No.12959985 >>12959979 Once again, that was not at any time the subject being discussed

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:33:05 2019 No.12959991 >>12959976 You disagreed with it lmao because you assumed I was a dirty communist challenging your worldview But I'm glad you've come around. I guess you did realise it was stupid.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:33:07 2019 No.12959993 >>12959970 The political wings are irrelevant, I’m talking strictly about the case of modern society under late stage capitalism. There’s a reason you had to reach back several hundred years, funny that the irony didn’t immediately hit you.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:33:47 2019 No.12959998 >>12959991 I wouldnt have to assume if you werent terrified of just stating your view

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:34:12 2019 No.12960000

All this is reminding me of is Engel's argument that state capitalism creates a precursor to socialism, in modern marxist terms it heightens the contradiction between labor and capital
And no kid, I would't recognise your name, your arguments are too insubstantial and fluffy for you to be someone I'd pay attention to

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:34:48 2019 No.12960004 >>12959993 The arts started declining alongside the rise of democracy just as much as capitalism. you just assume it's capitalism that causes everything you dislike

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:35:58 2019 No.12960010 >>12960004 I feel like what I said is easy to understand and common sense and you’re obfuscating. The link between grifters posing as artists for financial gain and capitalism is not hard to discernZ

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:36:18 2019 No.12960011 >>12959998 You've already agreed with me. Why would I continue this argument? Are you really this desperate to prove yourself? All I have left to say is this: FUCK niggers

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:37:01 2019 No.12960015 >>12960000 It’s AOC dummy, we all kno that on the dl right

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:38:07 2019 No.12960018 >>12959939 the Party central committee will just take over for the people who own banks and corporations. With that said, the Intel agencies are already spying on you and curating all culture. No different than the USSR.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:38:13 2019 No.12960021 >>12960011 Typically people will just state their opinion and their reason for thinking it. you could have already done so with less effort like 5 posts ago

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:38:48 2019 No.12960022 >>12960015 Literally who?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:40:20 2019 No.12960027 >>12960015 holy shit i read her posts back in aocs voice and definitely hear it

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:40:28 2019 No.12960028

>>12960010
>The link between grifters posing as artists for financial gain and capitalism is not hard to discernZ
No it's not, but it's not at all clear that that's what caused traditional high art to break down either. Schoenberg wasn't trying to sell records

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:40:35 2019 No.12960029

>>12960021
Yes, but it'd just be a repeat of the thousand previous internet arguments I've been in. It's boring. Usually I just don't bother with these threads, but I've never talked about how Marxism and, say, conservative monarchism are both based on the same assumption (human nature should drive policy). Even if it's not exactly a stunning insight.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:42:37 2019 No.12960038 >>12960028 It’s easy to see that it has a debilitating effect. All the most prominent “artists” and “artistic works” purely product. Take out the financial incentive and you’ll get the real artists and the real arts.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:44:20 2019 No.12960050 >>12960027 And she straight ducked this >>12959831

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:46:05 2019 No.12960055

>>12960038
Pop music is in large part product, but also in large part a social phenomenon based on how the masses interact with each other. It is very different than Bach composing cantatas for church organs

There are plenty of rich musicians who could make whatever they would like, and when they choose to make stuff that doesn't sell, they end up in random avant garde experimentation, they dont invent the String quartet

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 12:50:01 2019 No.12960074 WILL ANY HOMO STREAM THIS

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>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 13:09:07 2019 No.12960198 >>12958684 please fuck my wife anon

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 13:09:46 2019 No.12960203 >>12958684 god bless

>>	The Nomad !N8Yn.I/WbM Fri Apr 19 13:12:22 2019 No.12960229 >>12959557 Go on Joe Rogan AOC

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 13:13:10 2019 No.12960236

>>12959212
Honestly I think there might be some hope for the finnish left in the next few years. Many on the more climate focused left have started to flirt with worker self management and ownership in last few months. There might even be a chance for greens moving leftswards or splintering as they see sdp and centrists dragging their feet on climate action. In addition many of the young climate strike people are radicalizing even quicker.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 13:50:17 2019 No.12960519 >>12959867 holy SHIT

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 14:03:19 2019 No.12960633

>>12959688
>We’ll deal with the bankers and corporations when we have the means.
You fucking morons are already willing to break the law but you aren't willing to target the big banks when you do? What a fucking joke.
You people are being used as useful idiots to divide and conquer. The one thing the far right and the left have in common is a hatred of these corporations and banks and the way they sell out their fellow man, and instead of using that common ground to get shit done you make sure both sides waste energy attacking each other and never unite against the real assholes.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 14:06:34 2019 No.12960653 File: 46 KB, 930x728, okayToBeABrainlet.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12959196 >We’ll decide who are the fascists The absolute state of antifa.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 14:13:39 2019 No.12960705 >>12959604 aoc go try /pol/ the retards here are no match, you’re misplaced

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 14:18:11 2019 No.12960735 File: 147 KB, 400x400, crowley.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12958695 >Peterson has more order in his ideas "I-I've added a dash of o-order eh, that oughta s-spice up the night.. heheh...heh..."

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 14:24:35 2019 No.12960789 File: 25 KB, 450x371, santa-claus.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12959368 >Noble ideals have already been imparted on the youth of today Holy shit having this much faith in the modern abortion hahahahahah fascists are a fucking joke

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 14:26:08 2019 No.12960799 File: 61 KB, 540x540, zoomers.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12959455

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 14:31:11 2019 No.12960847 >>12959854 oh boy here we go with the death worship, yaaawn

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 15:06:37 2019 No.12961158 >>12959357 notice me AOCsenpai

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 16:03:47 2019 No.12961681 >>12959473 mommy commie

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