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[Anonymous No.12911352]

What is the importance of art?

[Anonymous No.12911455]

>>12911352
as Plato put it art is an imitation of the world that imitates the higher things
basically an imitation of an imitation until it became subjective in more modern times

[Anonymous No.12911513]

>>12911455
By higher things did he mean the divine?
In what writing did he say this? I'd be interested in giving it a read?

[Anonymous No.12911517]

IF BEING A BEAN IS A FREE BEING, I DON'T WANT TO BEEN

[Anonymous No.12911562]

>>12911513
I had a theory of art in college so I remember that from the first semester but I don't know if the book I had is available in English
so I just recommend searching some books on art theory or art philosophy if I were you

plato is just beginning tho I can't even start on later theories without consulting the books

[Anonymous No.12911641]

>>12911352
it keeps us from suicide.

[Anonymous No.12911657]

>>12911455
>plato
>>12911641
This is correct.

[Anonymous No.12911679]

>>12911562
ok I made a brief list

[Anonymous No.12911710]

>>12911352
Art is not a means to an end but an end in itself

*tips 149 IQ*

[Anonymous No.12911719]

>>12911641
wouldn't most of anything that one finds meaningful do this? If so, then it could be born out of pure ignorance

I'd like to think that art isn't born out of ignorance or rather not a blatant, unknowing ignorance. Or am i wrong?

[Anonymous No.12911752]

>>12911641
>>12911719
For people above a certain intelligence, art is the only meaning one could find.

[Anonymous No.12911755]

All art is quite useless.
>>12911641
cringe

[Anonymous No.12911825]

>whats the importance of this?
>you have 10 seconds.

[Anonymous No.12911838]

>>12911352
it is everything

[Anonymous No.12911890]

>>12911719
yes, certainly. ignorance or something other like faith or love can do the job too but if you're incapable or unwilling to resort to such ends art is the one thing that remains.

[Anonymous No.12911911]

>>12911352
It is spiritual and experiential enrichment. It makes you look deeply into something foreign (the work of art) but also into yourself. It cannot be reduced to a single purpose, it is in this sort of a continuous dialectic within itself and with the external world.
Some people say that today we have science and technology so art is a thing of the past. I'd say that the great advancements in science and "quality of life" are precisely why we need art more than ever.

>>12911455
That reasoning was his critique of art. And no notable theorist after him saw art as imitation, it's a very rough and limited description.

>>12911513
It's from the Republic, iirc

[Anonymous No.12911933]

>>12911352
When the world is a mess and children are strapped to the torture machines
And dictators clamp down, sending their troops to the centre of things
That's when I turn to art and design, the only two things I can truly call mine

When they kill journalists for just doing their job and just telling the truth
And when it's suddenly fine for the streets to resound with racist abuse
That's when I turn to art and design, to beautiful things from beautiful minds

And artists who look see visions of alternate universes
And designers have put all this beauty into the things around us
And that's why I turn to art and design, political things that aren't yet a crime

The most beautiful flowers spring, so they say, from the throats of dead kings
And the beautiful powers come when people themselves control the machine
That's why I turn to art and design, beautiful things can change minds

[Anonymous No.12912441]

>>12911933
If these are lyrics to a punk song, gj. Otherwise, practice more.

[Anonymous No.12912478]

>>12911641
Kys

[Anonymous No.12912825]

Aristotle wrote that beauty (sometimes translated as the sense of nobility) is necessary for the cultivation of virtue, and even the very reason that the virtues are to be preferred. Following from this, we can see art as a way to be better people: from the experience of beauty we have greater insight into the Good that is to be pursued. I think this makes reasonable sense and would help explain some things: why art has always been didactic in the West, why traditional peoples still create didactic art, why modern art is so degenerate and barren, and why art always seems to mirror the moral values of the time period. If you don’t believe in virtue or any higher good, and only care about making money and sucking cock, your art will look like something in MoMA. If you care about the higher good and believe virtue to be important, your art will look like something at the MET.

[Anonymous No.12912866]

>>12912825
Beauty helps us find order, harmony, and higher values. All of these are necessary too in being a good person. We see the same in the differences between something composed by Handel and something composed by Eminem: a work by Handel has a strong sense of order, harmony, and cohesion, and many of the passages exist only to emphasize or clarify the Resolving Moments or the Noble Moments of the work. Like a good novel, there are passages that exist only to make greater the great passages. In Eminem, or Justin Bieber, or whoever else, there are no great passages, and the songs are to be immediately enjoyed as soon as they’re heard. One requires delayed gratification for greater reward, the other consists of instant gratification and a very lowly reward.

[Anonymous No.12913049]

>>12912825
>>12912866
That is a very antiquated notion of art and doesn't do it justice nowadays. Art can't be chained to such simple terms anymore as much as I respect the thought of our dear greeks.

[Anonymous No.12913057]

>>12911352
Art is important because without it we wouldn't be able to tell what is not art.

[Anonymous No.12913258]

>>12913049
Sure, you can redefine the word "art" something new (let's call it New Art), but you'll serve to make everything more confusing. Because the New Art definition is at odds with the Old Art definition. New Art has the corollary that "art" is no longer de jure important. When the great philosophers of art were talking about beauty and such, they were referring to the definition of Old Art. From Plato onward, everyone who said art and beauty were important were referring to the Old Art definition. If you were to tell them that pic related actually falls under the word Art, and that their definition of Art was incorrect, they would have simply created a new word to refer to what they were talking about that has the exact parameters of the Old Art definition.

To be clear: nobody of any intellectual merit from the beginning of time to approximately the early 20th century would have considered pic related Art. You can call it Art, in the sense that you have the freedom to call it Art and maybe even the political clout to change textbook definitions. But nobody is obliged to use your definition, or consider this new definition the actual definition, or frankly care at all about pic related and its cohorts. Your "art" is brand new: it's the child of consumerism, competition, political ideology, and obsession with novelty. My "art" is the tradition of aesthetics stretching back several millennia.

[Anonymous No.12913424]

>>12913258
You got me wrong. I'm not one of those people who want to strip off every meaning of the word art by declaring everything art. It has to include both classic and modern art while still drawing a border to simple entertainment.
Art is about concepts of aesthetic contemplation, it's about discourse and intellectual growth. It can't just stop at the classics and accumulate dust over the decades of progress.

[Anonymous No.12913961]

> What is the importance of art?

Yes. I like it.

[Anonymous No.12914004]

>>12911352
To elevate your spirit beyond this fleshy jail.

[Anonymous No.12914691]

To see things anew so to enrich our understanding about life.

[Anonymous No.12914705]

>>12911352
Imagine how fucking boring a world with no art would be.

[Anonymous No.12914714]

It is nourishment for the soul my dear anons

[Anonymous No.12914781]

>>12911352
It's purpose is Beauty, and Beauty is an end in itself. So Art is an end in itself.

[Anonymous No.12914825]

>>12914781
beauty's bosom is truth.

[Anonymous No.12914844]

definitely more important than some retarded image of a black hole with no benefit to our society or to our lives as human beings.

[Anonymous No.12914861]

Art calms me down so I don’t Murder every single one of you motherfuckers.

[Anonymous No.12914923]

>>12914844
Science is the art of discovery, engineering is the utilitarian practical art.
That low resolution picture of a hole represents both and is astonishing.

[Anonymous No.12914924]

>>12911352
romanticizing is the most powerful ____ today. every kid does it and wishes for something greater

[Anonymous No.12915357]

>>12914923

[Anonymous No.12915371]

>>12911513
Art is reproduction of ideal forms

[Anonymous No.12915377]

>>12914844
Artists are supposed to be smarter than STEMfags.

[Anonymous No.12915404]

>>12915357
Friendly reminder fascism is environmentalist.

[Anonymous No.12915422]

You can make art with real life.

Say, the entirety of your life experience. What kind of statement are you trying to make with your life? What kind of meaning are you trying to inject into the atmosphere?

You might be able to do this with others as well :3. Maybe another woman will work WITH you to rejuvenate a dying culture, like on this website, or in society.

You have to imagine that all of this building up makes the things that actually matter that much better

[Anonymous No.12915433]

>>12911352
It gives people a safe method for feeling intense emotions

[URANTIA No.12915440]

5:4.4.The domains of philosophy and art intervene between the nonreligious and the religious activities of the human self. Through art and philosophy the material-minded man is inveigled into the contemplation of the spiritual realities and universe values of eternal meanings.

48:7.23.21. The high mission of any art is, by its illusions, to foreshadow a higher universe reality, to crystallize the emotions of time into the thought of eternity.

56:10.3.Philosophy you somewhat grasp, and divinity you comprehend in worship, social service, and personal spiritual experience, but the pursuit of beauty—cosmology—you all too often limit to the study of man's crude artistic endeavors. Beauty, art, is largely a matter of the unification of contrasts. Variety is essential to the concept of beauty. The supreme beauty, the height of finite art, is the drama of the unification of the vastness of the cosmic extremes of Creator and creature. Man finding God and God finding man—the creature becoming perfect as is the Creator—that is the supernal achievement of the supremely beautiful, the attainment of the apex of cosmic art.