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[Anonymous No.12909379]

What's the appeal to occultism? You won't actually accomplish anything like astral projection. It's seems like pure bullshit so why do people waste time reading it?

[Anonymous No.12909393]

>>12909379
What's the appeal to religion? You won't actually accomplish anything like eternal life. It's seems like pure bullshit so why do people waste time reading it?

[Anonymous No.12909405]

beliefs are things that people happen to like the idea of nowadays. I can see the appeal of magick and so I can understand people liking the idea of it and therefore believing in it.

Of course beliefs are very superficial nowadays. Nobody believes in god like they did 70 years ago

[Anonymous No.12909415]

What's the appeal in astronomy? You won't actually go to another galaxy. It's seems like pure bullshit so why do people waste time reading it?

[Anonymous No.12909422]

>>12909415
>Implying we won't
Just hit the gas nigga

[Anonymous No.12909449]

land is the zoomers crowley

[Anonymous No.12909456]

>>12909422
Not within your lifetime.

[Anonymous No.12909459]

Are you joking? Astral projection is probably one of the easiest things to do in occultism.

[Anonymous No.12909467]

>>12909379
Ones own pride

[Anonymous No.12909468]

>>12909456
>Heh, you said something, kid?

[Anonymous No.12909479]

>>12909379
>What's the appeal to occultism?
Getting fucked up the ass by the Royal Order of Jesters for fame and influence that is not your own

[Anonymous No.12909532]

>>12909379
Occultists like crowley are similar to nietzsche. It’s all about finding who you are and what your “true will” is. A big difference is that occultism promises paranormal results (usually only observable by the practitioner), and some sort of spiritual attainment. Even if a person isn’t interested in joining an order or partaking in rituals, occultism teaches the nature of the universe in a way that science overlooks. The classical elements are an excellent example, because they sum up the mechanisms of nature and human behavior. If nothing else, there’s magic in that.

[Anonymous No.12910896]

It's fun to pretend.

[Anonymous No.12910910]

>>12910896
Really this is all there is to say. People like to pretend and some people genuinely have mild psychosis and will actually experience the things they talk about via mental illness.

[Anonymous No.12910932]

The point of occultism is to push your desire into the hivemind of humanity in order to change reality.

The best occultists are actually artists and marketers

I will let alan explain it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGj79nbowjo

[Anonymous No.12910980]

>>12909379
I like the aesthetic desu

[Anonymous No.12910990]

>>12910910
psychosis sucks balls
but It made me christian

win/win

[Anonymous No.12911019]

>>12909379
>asking what value something has while also demanding the conversation start with the premise that the thing in question is inherently worthless
>following this up with saying you think it's bullshit and a waste of time

Literally what is the point in this thread? It seems like you wanted to make a thread against occultism, but had to do so in /lit/ terminology in order to not get the free-doing janny on your tail.

[Anonymous No.12911034]

>>12909379
How do you know you can't accomplish anything with occultism? Have you ever tried it?

[Anonymous No.12911057]

>>12909532
>Occultists like crowley are similar to nietzsche
edgy larping incels?

[Anonymous No.12911086]

>>12911019
brainlet, hes baiting the dumber practitioners to defend it against him

[Anonymous No.12911091]

>>12911057
Very often, yes. They both tend to appeal to those types because they’re kind of fringe and promise power. Their philosophies are legitimate and are worth familiarizing yourself with, but not following completely. Basically edginess, ignorance, and extremely valuable insight all mashed together.

[Anonymous No.12911111]

>>12911091
No. Occultism is a way more dangerous than simple Nihilistic Philosophy.

[Anonymous No.12911117]

>>12911111

[Anonymous No.12911129]

>>12911111
Great digits, but you forgot where I mentioned that you shouldn’t follow either. Are you saying it’s not valuable to learn about occultism? Why is it a dangerous thing to learn about? Crowley’s philosophy is quite similar to nietzsche’s and both can be incredibly harmful if taken too seriously.

[Anonymous No.12911140]

>>12909379
Isn't astral projection subjective? What makes it impossible?

[Anonymous No.12911141]

>>12911111
>Occultism is a way more dangerous than simple Nihilistic Philosophy.
how so?

[Anonymous No.12911251]

>>12911141
You create a whole fabricated metanarrative which exalts the acausal, sacrifice and terrorism etc

[Anonymous No.12911285]

>>12909459
And the only thing also also it's not magic

[Anonymous No.12911298]

>>12911285
Astral projection is indeed magick anon.

[Anonymous No.12911319]

>>12910932
Correct answer

[Anonymous No.12911417]

Anything genuinely 'occult' lives up to it's name and is not in the public sphere. Western esotericism is indeed one big LARP, but it has little bearing on actual magic.

[Anonymous No.12911476]

>>12911417
Care to explain?

[Anonymous No.12911506]

>>12909379
Astral projection is just occultist for having crazy and vivid dreams, which you can totally accomplish, although there is nothing paranormális about it. You can reach other types of altered states of consciousness with enough self-suggestion too, basically that's the appeal of occult practices.

[Anonymous No.12911592]

>>12911506
astral projection = lucid dreaming.

[Anonymous No.12911643]

its the opposite of asceticism but shares same goal.

virgin asceticist: hates himself, hopes reaching a higher state of consciousness by destroying his bio-cage and liberating his soul.

chad magus: understands the limitations of his bio-cage but uses its bugs as features. goethian faust.

rogue magus: mistakes the means for the goals, traditional faust.

virgin magus: scientist who forgot his origins, begins to resemble asceticist and loses all his power.

[Anonymous No.12911652]

>>12909468
based life extensionist.

[Anonymous No.12911846]

>>12910932
excellent video anon

[Anonymous No.12911871]

>>12911476
What's there to explain? Magic is real (meaning, you can bring about tangible change in the physical world using supramundane means) but how to go about this is extremely poorly documented. Not that there is anything particular to it; it just takes a lot of practice -much like learning to play the piano or learning to sculpt, etc. Once the practice has been realized and you're able to do these things there's nothing to talk about.
That's a mistake a lot of neophytes make, they think their success is contingent on some short of secret 'thing' or ritual, when it is contingent on their own mental faculties. If you can't deadlift 400lbs, it's not because you lack some secret deadlifting method, you simply need to cultivate the raw strength over a long period of practice -the same principle applies to magic.

[Anonymous No.12911895]

>>12911871
What is the lifting weights equivalent of magic? Meditation for example?

[Anonymous No.12911897]

>>12911871
How do you know this? And is fornication with children an important part of magic?

[Anonymous No.12911900]

>>12909379
The same as religion, spirituality, etc. the performance of rituals for the sake of performance art and the illusion of control and meaning in an existence devoid of both.

[Anonymous No.12911921]

>>12909379
Money and all things associated with it wouldn't exist if people didn't believe in them. Otherwise people would just perceive money for what it is.
If you don't believe in afterlife >>12909393 or astral projection, how can you hope to have any of it?

Belief is the main currency in the world, and money is a black hole of it.

[Anonymous No.12911958]

>>12911251
As if nihilism doesn't. Every school shooter has been an edgy atheist nihilist.

[Anonymous No.12911981]

>>12911895
that's one suggestion that is commonly made, yes

[Anonymous No.12912100]

The same as for buddhism/taoism, only more schizophrenic

[Anonymous No.12912166]

>>12911895
Meditation is a very general and nebulous term, but generally speaking it is agreeable to say that some sort of practice involving the regulation of attention is fundamental. It is necessary to be able to get into what you might call a 'trance' state, specifically a state in which there is diminished surface level mental activity while simultaneously there is an increase in lucidity and 'sharpness' (one-pointedness you might say). Good to note, if you ever find yourself in a state of drowsiness, sleepiness, lethargy, and so forth, you're going in the wrong direction. It's a common beginner trap. Remember that these trance states should always be characterized by 'lucidity, wakefulness, sharpness, luminosity, clearness', etc. But I digress.
Take something like astral projection for example, a quick review of the general resources will give you all sorts of convoluted methods where you visualize various things or have to awake in the middle of the night and go back to sleep, and so on. If could simply arrive at the state previously mentioned, none of that is necessary. You simply leave your body and that's it. You just 'do it'. No method, but a cultivated ability. Of course, being able to arrive at this 'trance' state consistently and on command is not easy and takes some practice. That's where most people quit, and the LARPing begins.
So, essentially yes, 'meditation' (not only when seated, but also in daily life).
>>12911897
>How do you know this?
A couple of half decent books pointed me in the right direction, after that it's simply a matter of practice.
>And is fornication with children an important part of magic?
I don't know, I gladly concede that that's beyond my area of (already quite limited) knowledge. If you're talking about the 'pop-esotericist' idea that the elites are diddling kids, I'd say that if they are they probably do so because of the change in cognition a transgressive act can induce. Have you ever done something naughty as a child? You get that rush to your head and that 'oh shit' feeling and that does produce a certain one-pointedness; I can imagine diddling kids is like that but x1000, so I certainly could see how that might relate to magical practice. There's also perhaps some reason related to energetic phenomena, or perhaps they're trying to appease a non-physical entity. Could be any number of reasons I suppose, but truthfully I don't know.

[Anonymous No.12912186]

>>12912166
Thanks for the reply.
1)How does astral projection differ from lucid dreaming? By googling I see people say that LD realm is just personal while AP realm is shared by all people but that's probably wrong.

2)Can you point me material to study this further? At this point I can't really determine what is LARP and what is not.

[Anonymous No.12912207]

>>12912166
Thanks for the reply. Mind listing the half-decent books you mentioned?

[Anonymous No.12912520]

>>12912186
>How does astral projection differ from lucid dreaming?
I have found it helpful to think of it in terms of 'levels'. Lets say the reality you are currently inhabiting is the ground floor, level 0. There's nothing really here, you can't see any non-physical entities or other non-physical 'energetic' phenomena. Then you go up a level or two, and here you're still close to level 0, but open to the non-physical. Then lets say you go up to level 3-4 and here's where you're off in fantasy land; it's like you're in a Frank Frazetta painting. This is were all the astral projection stories involving aliens and strange worlds and planets take place. And then there's level 5, let's say (arbitrary number), where you get experiences that are very much divorced from your regular experience of reality -like feeling you're in an endless void, or being in a field of bliss, or what have you; abstract experiences. It's nonsensical of course to categorize these experiences into levels -and they're largely arbitrary- but hopefully you get the point.
Robert Monroe for example has classified his experiences in various 'locales'. Locale I to him is the material world, but with the presence of some non-physical places and entities. In this 'locale' you could verify actual information like guessing the numbers written on a piece of paper in a room you've physically not been, but it's also where non-physical entities reside.
'Locale II' he describes as being boundless and where all the fantastical things happen.
'Locale III' is a parallel world similar to Earth, but we're all still using steam engines or something nonsensical like that.
I would switch Locale II and three around in order, but you get the idea.
You can in a sense progressively move away from your current experience of reality, until the resemblance to your life on planet earth is almost negligible. I would say that dreams are on the higher end of this spectrum, whereas astral projection would ideally be as close as possible to the 'ground floor'.
If you can't corroborate your experiences in the astral with the physical, then of course you're doing little more than dreaming. People have been known to attempt experiments with random numbers on pieces of paper they have no access to, and so on, and fail. This is because they stray too far from the 'ground floor'. People are in the habit of instantly going off into fantasy land if they get to the point where they can achieve astral projection, but they would be far better off spending the first 30th attempts walking around the block.

[Anonymous No.12912557]

>>12912186
I hit the character limit, so see my reply below for the second question. As for determining LARP, magic is tangible and 'physical'. It is not psychological or just 'altering your consciousness'. If it doesn't anything concrete, you might as well be playing pretend.
>>12912207
The books I have found to be the most useful are by an author called Draja Mickaharic. In particular his book, 'Magic Simplified', but some of his other books are worth reading as well. They're very pragmatic and without the slightest sense of obscurantism, so much so that sometimes they lack details.
There is also a book called 'Forbidden Parapsychology' which is somewhat silly (it talks about magically molesting people for example), but again -it's very practical and the principles are sound.
Alternatively, pick up a proven book on meditation and a proven book on astral projection. Ideally do all of the above, and then piece the material together yourself.