Hegel

[Anonymous No.12868521]

Ok, I've decided to read the meme itself.

What is the best translation of Hegel's Phenomenology of Spirit? What is the current consensus?

[Anonymous No.12868527]

>>12868521
Reading Hegel can cause actual physical manifestation of symptoms, happened the minute I got it and will happen in a few minutes when I explain it, a mental experiment communicable in words that physically alters the chemicals of the brain drastically.

[Anonymous No.12868529]

only options are Miller or Pinkard. Pinkard is new and hip but Sadler reads the Miller translation if you use Half-Hour Hegel

[Anonymous No.12868537]

will reading hegel turn me GAY??

[Anonymous No.12868568]

>>12868537
you are right sweetie, destroy my ass oh my god I wish it so harddd

[Anonymous No.12868582]

>>12868527
Just what I'm looking for

>>12868529
Any opinion on Inwood's?

[Anonymous No.12868638]

>>12868521
You'll give up fifteen pages in when you realize you have no idea what he's talking about and his work leads to no meaningful or productive conclusions, just artsy unfalsifiable meme shit

[Anonymous No.12868651]

>>12868527
This I used to think was dangerous to communicate. Then I tried a few times, to explain it to people who told me they were philosophy students, I figured that'd be the type to understand, but I got no recognition, these rather sane college students didn't really understand the vision, the trick, the mental effect, maybe you gotta be a little crazy to be able to let it happen, like Hegel walking around sniffing the snuff, whatever that was, I think it was kinda like coke, legal in prussia (germany) at the time.

Maybe it's genetic, I'm german. so maybe this resonates with me more than other people anyway.

got this not from deep deep inside the hegel literature described best I thought as "phantasmagoria", amazing schizotypal stuff, some of it available on the web and in the bookstores everywhere, well that stuff is great and reinforces the project of kenosis, remaps it onto infinitely different fields of knowledge, but I got this delusion/hallucination/belief out of the preface to the phenomenology of spirit, meant to be the gateway to hegel's thought, the preface itself considered a classic of german literature. I don't know german but the translation is the most amazing use of english I've ever seen, the long twisty sentence structure rarely approached by anyone except maybe, me.

Spent ten years with that crazy stuff as my main psychosis hobby, this was before this website or the internet itself was available. I worked in the city, spent an hour each way on the subway, had a seat, so I read the little photocopied books, I paid ten cents per four pages for those books and bought them little by little out of the nyc public library in manhattan at 42nd street, in the stacks deep below bryant park, where they do the fashion shows every year and free movies once a week. Ten years where for the main two hours of the day - my commute - I went floridly psychotic with hegel for a guide.

This was in the preface to the phenomenology. I was in a second floor apartment in queens with a small triangular patio I liked sitting out on, right above a noisy highway that was annoying to try to sleep near, it never stops! but that night there was a very clear and close full moon in clear view of that patio, above the din of the traffic.

[Anonymous No.12868659]

>>12868651
And on my mind that psychotic night I had hegel's introduction of his basic schema, which can be called kenosis, a word I got deep inside hegel, it was the esoteric philosophy word from greek for how jesus became divine, how god got "inside" jesus, how god "emptied himself" like a fishtank "into" the physical person of jesus. Got this in the hegel book the philosophy of religion, which was well described as a re-mytholization of christianity, he twisted it into an unrecognizable and very greek version of religion, with yet a trinity and the name jesus and the bible itself carried along, "aufgehoben" or "cancelled and simultaneously lifted up" into this re-mythologized, re-revealed relgion, with hegel almost going for prophet here - the official philosopher of prussia seat was a mystical yearning of his.

Kenosis is what hegel brings to the table as he then proceeds to study and reclassify every sphere of knowledge available to him at his time. Some of his books are better than others. The philosophy of right is the book that most influenced me in life, made me join the cult of Sittlikheit, or Ethical Life. Taught me all kinds of principles I learned to use as my own, like no man shall be altogether sacrificed on the altar of right, because he is someone's brother father husband son. Taught me about roman law and how it evolved to my own day, made me appreciate politics and the world news in a new and different way, he romanticized napolean as a schizophrenic would mythologize his rock and roll hero or something, napolean was leading all of world history, the spirit, the Geist, from his horse's back, magus of time. Hegel could really be a crazy guy sometimes.

The mechanics of kenosis are what I want to try to explain. It's a simple mind experiment, a "gedanken", that I perfomed that night, and maybe philosophy students aren't the ones to be doing astral projection, maybe it's the schizophrenics who can do this. Astral projection in a little purple how to book from my mother's basement was something else I was reading and getting into at the time. This is what I bring to the table, combining hegel's clearly mapped kenotic "spilling out" of the fishtank of self into a separate tank, you know, while you're cleaning the tank you put the whole set of fish in a stand by tank, maybe not as pretty and eventually to be sacrificed, well, that's where I intend to be going with this. I also bring to the table the introduction of kenotic projection to the new much larger distances available to modern day astrophysics - i keep an eye on the field of cosmic cartography, the project to map all of heaven out as far as our most outlandish telescopes can see. And this is a new level of sorcery never before available to mankind, this is what I want to explain here.


So the mechanics of kenosis are three stages.

[Anonymous No.12868671]

>>12868659
Stage one we are "essence", not really thinking too much just hungry tired horny etc, essence, on the inside, looking out, presumably looking out from inside this flesh, this place we think we are inside ever since early infancy, we can move our own fingers and toes so we must be in there, can't move the desk or mommy so must not be in there. Basic infantile logic. So we are infantile, just essence, as stage one of this, just here, within ourselves.

Stage two gets interesting, we start to look out, not just at the object of our hunger or lust but out at... ourselves. Now I don't remember how "far" hegel was positing the essence's vision of itself was from itself, but I decided somehow that the more distance, the more intense and interesting the effect might be. And I'd been practicing basic astral projection already - come outside your body, do basic exersizes for control practice, then go fly out in space to other planets and walk around. That itslef is a trip, so I think it oculd have been my original idea to introduce distance between stage one and two of kenosis, and I remeber writing that the greater the distance between stage one and two, the brighter the light that shines. This is how I learned to reach in and shine a bright light out of my mind that can beam to the ends of the universe and see and know everything, a light much brighter that the human organism was meant to hold, i think, and the light also surprised me in that it lit up the microscopic world all around me that the subconscious was supposed to withhold from us, the crawling hotel room, the demons all around us, it's not pretty.


So stage two, that night on the little triangular patio, was me looking at the moon, and on the moon I decided to place my vision of myself, for this experiment. First time I ever did it. I sat there, looking at the moon, picturing myself there, right there in a little triangular patio with a little green book and a drink on the table, up there in the middle of nowhere on the bright white moon. Maybe I loose people at this point, the college students I mean. Maybe I never explained to them about the astral projection aspect to this.

So if you can do that, see yourself over there on the moon, just cause that hellucination more or less, and focus on it for a little while, THAT is stage two.

[Anonymous No.12868678]

>>12868671
And so here's stage three. Stage three, the "real" you right here on earth, above the Brooklyn-Queens Expressway, the essence, well, the "essence spills out", so this is a leap of thought, so the you right here with you the essence on the inside, this you is now that you, you just kind of imagine for a moment that the vision you were looking at on the moon is now this stuff right here. So it's like your hallucination got suddenly alot more vivid, cause now it's perception not hallucination. A moment ago you were trying to see yourself on the clear white pallate of the moon, and you were tiny in the field of vision, no matter how well you did in the hallucinating.

But suddenly it's all quite clear and life size. This is a mind experiment, a bracketing, a temporary suspension of disbelief, so that I temporarily believe that I am that me that I was just looking at on the moon, here I am, on the moon, I can take a sip of my drink, I can look at my hands, my arms, look at that I went to the moon and now I am there, have perception. I begin to look more closely at every little detail of my environment, cause, hell, this is the MOON!

And the hallucination that happened that first night, that never quite happened again, was I could see light, a hallucination of light emitting from my body, it was at the joints, I was standing there on thetrianguar patio "on the moon" bending my arms back and forth at the different joints cause I couldn't believe the light coming out of my body.

But I continued to do the experiment, not just to the moon but out to the other planets, the sun, the center of the galaxy (and the well mapped neighborhood around the black hole, like the molecular cloud saggitarius B2, the "large molecule heimat", or homeland, there that's a german term but it didn't come from hegel books it came from some astrophysics article years ago. I proceeded to other galaxies, other larger galaxy clusters, then the fateful trips to "redshift space", so far away it's in the past. Kenotic projection outside of time. that is a gateway to madness. And to this day, the practice of this mind experiment causes a burst of ghost bugs.

[Anonymous No.12868696]

>>12868678
That night wasn't really my first, I had stumbled on this phenomena once early in grammar school, and registered the shock but didn't know how else to use it at the time. I'd been in my catholic school classroom, front row desk, daydreaming as always, for an extended period. Don't remember much of those daydreams of course - oh the girl I had a crush on or the pen and pencil as rocket ships, is what I remember ruminating about - but that day I remember that I was shocked by the kenotic spilling, as I sat there in class but drifted far away, in my vision I was walking home, doing stuff there, then walking to school, walking up the stairs, walking into the classroom and sitting down in my front row short guy seat, and then I realized - BOOM - I really am here, in my vision, here in the front row seat, taht was weird. I swear I first noticed the kenotic effect that day.

[Anonymous No.12869112]

>>12868638
Or I will be inspired to become the next great thinker in history who didn't get his work

[Anonymous No.12869131]

>>12868638
hegel didn't know what he was writing about

[Anonymous No.12869141]

>>12869131
Correct, but that which he was expounding was self-aware and certain of its place in the historical development of itself. Hegel was a means to an end.

[Anonymous No.12869145]

>>12869131
he was possessed by the weltgeist, he was a host used to write the book

[Anonymous No.12869159]

>>12868696
>when I was 10 years old I had a minor pediatric stroke and didn't go to the hospital
glad you're okay, but that doesn't make Hegel meaningful

[Anonymous No.12869170]

>>12869145
Then why didn't the weltgeist write other books
And what about all of Hegel's other writings, were they the self-aware expounding or were those just normal books

[Anonymous No.12869203]

>>12868696
>>12868678
>>12868671
>>12868659
>>12868651
this is such bullshit

youre either lying or fucked in the head

what a tedious wall of text. no one gives a shit about your magical oh what a night sweet december back in sixty three whirlwind experience in the heart of nyc. go chew on your own shit

[Anonymous No.12869236]

>>12868696 >>12868678 >>12868671 >>12868659 >>12868651
i am actually angry that some pompous prick out there is so far up his own ass that he thinks this monologue is something others should pay attention to

dostoyevsky wrote a book about you, its called notes from underground

the boomer die off can't begin soon enough

[Anonymous No.12869318]

>>12869203
>>12869236
It's pasta you board culture ignoramus.

[Anonymous No.12869324]

>>12869170
>Then why didn't the weltgeist write other books
Marx.

[Anonymous No.12869352]

>>12869318
omg thank goodness

[Anonymous No.12869380]

>>12869203
>oh what a night sweet december back in sixty three whirlwind experience in the heart of nyc.
kek, this boomer knows what's up

[Anonymous No.12869387]

>>12869318
>this is stupid
>no, no, a different anon wrote it, not this anon
>oh, okay, it's not stupid then

[Anonymous No.12869402]

>>12869387
There is a guilty pleasure in reposting recognizable terrible shit

[Anonymous No.12869707]

>>12869203
>>12868696
>>12868678
>>12868671
>>12868659
>>12868651
its all true

[Anonymous No.12869720]

>>12869141
hot take: weltgeist violated the categorical imperative by penetrating Hegel both mentally and anally

[Anonymous No.12869726]

>>12868582
Inwood is an update of Miller. Better commentary than either but overly expensive much like Pinkard.

[Anonymous No.12869747]

>>12868537
>>12868521
all you need to know.

[Anonymous No.12869790]

>>12869747
spooky

[Anonymous No.12870223]

>>12869726
I don't care about money. But I do care about the commentary

So for what I understand

>Miller has the most known translation and commentaries
>Inwood has an improved translation and improved commentaries
>Pinkard has the best and most understandable translation, but no commentaries

[Anonymous No.12870350]

>>12868651
>>12868659
It's called the Faustian spirit, fren. Subhumans need not understand.

[Anonymous No.12870367]

The Wallace translation is in public domain, which is why you can get it off sites like Project Gutenberg and the University of Adelaide ebooks archive site for free. If you're too worried about whether or not you're actually reading the *real* Hegel, just learn German and go through the original work yourself. You'll end up noticing that there isn't really that big of a difference between translations of the same work.

[Anonymous No.12870478]

Hegel was the antichrist

[Anonymous No.12870487]

>>12868521
>Hegel
>consensus
o i am laffin

[Anonymous No.12870530]

>>12868521
I like Rand's dissection of his answer to Kant myself

[Anonymous No.12870547]

>>12870530
lol

[Anonymous No.12870557]

>>12870367
>If you're too worried about whether or not you're actually reading the *real* Hegel, just learn German and go through the original work yourself.
I am doing that, it's just taking too long and I'm supposed to wageslave too

[Anonymous No.12870588]

>>12870223
Pinkard also has commentary. But ya, I'd go for him or Inwood simply becauze it is fresher and reflects new and improved scholarship IMO. Pinkard is perhaps the most modern sounding translation. Inwood is a modernization of an older translation. Miller is an older translation. There's some articles online that compare all three.

[Anonymous No.12870743]

>>12870588
Thank you, Anon

[Anonymous No.12870801]

>>12870743
I might also recommend the lectures and the Lesser Logic.

[Anonymous No.12872719]

>>12868638
This, Hegel is trash and the one cause behind the current degeneration of philosophy into comparative literature