/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.12858569]

What did he mean by this? That innate talent is more valuable than hard earned education?

[Anonymous No.12858575]

>>12858569
I feel like everybody knows this but sort of pretends otherwise. I can't believe people are really so idealistic as to think that you could turn any baby into Mozart

[Anonymous No.12858598]

>>12858575
I guess glory is more dependent on innate talent but virtue is something hidden in every rational human being and can only be attained from practice and application like what stocisim teaches us

[Anonymous No.12858620]

>>12858598
Personally I suspect that the capacity for virtue is also largely innate, but that's the free will debate, and there is no fun to be had there for either of us.

[Anonymous No.12858623]

Glory back then could have just meant you were good at warfare of sports. It's basically like a basketball player of todays age

[Anonymous No.12858638]

Soft genetic determinism

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.12858645]

>>12858569
Just searching for reasons to keep people as slaves, like usual.

[Anonymous No.12858649]

>>12858620
let us not even entertain the fact that there is free will. But that does not change the fact that if fate shows you the path to exercise virtue(happening to stumble upon a healthy environment/idol/book where you practice your virtue and principles diligently than you will be more virtuous than any person with the greatest natural ability who does not practice stoicism

[Anonymous No.12858657]

>>12858649
assuming for the moment that stoicism is the absolute measure of virtue, things like impulsiveness, which I think are mostly innate, have a huge impact on one's ability to be virtuous.

[Anonymous No.12858659]

>>12858569

Marcus was wrong. Tacitus was right.

[Anonymous No.12858663]

>>12858569
It is hilarious how people delude themselves with motivationals when the healthy range of testosterone allows a male to have almost 4x the test as another. Muscle gain from artificial testosterone and no exercise produces more muscle gains than resistance training in studies.
IQ is almost entirely determined by genes.
The connections of your tendons to bones to create more efficient levers is what separates casual athletes from professionals. Not to mention the percentage muscle fiber types, bone density, proportions, height, width.... all genes.
The difference between the face of the most desirable man in the world and the creep is a few millimeters of bone and flesh distributed in different ways on your face.
Your ability to socialize, your entire personality and how you interact for the rest of your life is determined by somewhat genes but almost entirely by your youth. This may not be innate but it is still deterministic for the adult.

Fuck non-determinists.
Fuck just world fallacy retards.

[Anonymous No.12858671]

>>12858645
Damn Anon, I love this quote. And what I love about stoicism ironically enough given the context of this thread is how it says reputation, glory and materliastic success are essentially all useless, only your present self and maintaining your principles and virtue in whatever environment fate has landed you in is all that matters.

[Anonymous No.12858677]

>>12858663
OP here. I agree with you Anon but being a person of virtue only needs the bare minimum of requirements, being rational.

[Anonymous No.12858683]

>>12858645
Interesting that Gould is subordinating his scientific curiosity about the way the mind and intelligence work to his political ideology, and presenting this as an obvious virtue. And by interesting I mean entirely in keeping with the dishonest, hostile, and obfuscatory way he has conducted himself around subjects that upset him.

[Anonymous No.12858688]

>>12858645
lol, Steven could be a pretty talented comedian.

[Anonymous No.12858694]

>>12858645
Hey that's a cool quote. Almost as cool as something I have that makes you do something you've done before in the past, like for instance two weekends ago. :3

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.12858708]

>>12858683
What a load of dung.
Did you think such manure would excuse your obvious sociopathic tendencies

[Anonymous No.12858712]

>>12858708
Uh oh watch out for the comment above you. I am simply a random anon, but that gentleman looks like he is raising a neat point! I think that I agree and concur, this person has made you do that, hasn't he?

[Anonymous No.12858717]

>>12858569
education is largely social conditioning. it is very ineffecient for actually learning. I spent a around a year before college learning things about art, design, philosophy, and programming among other things. I learned WAY more in that year in the entire time i was in college. The projects they have you do in college that take up a third of the semester can be done in 3 or 4 days. Realistically, an entire semester of college in any one subject is only abut a week or 2 of actual work, but spread out over 3 months.

Anyone can learn to be great. I really think that. I am not "great" but i blew past all of my classmates in every single subject and did the work in a fraction of the time and got higher grades...all te while not really even trying at all. I'm not a smart guy. I never was. I got average grades in high school.

I honestly believe education just stunts you. It isnt any good. I've had professors straight up tell me that most of their job is to indoctrinate the students for a life in the workforce. The actual subject is taught in a very lazy mediocre way by (honestly) mediocre people for the most part.

[Anonymous No.12858722]

>>12858649
cringe and bluepilled post
take your pseud philosophy back to rebbit

[Anonymous No.12858726]

Why would they put an image of Augustus on there

[Anonymous No.12858731]

>>12858708
This post is something of an elucidation as to why you'd like a charlatan like Gould to begin with. You're incapable of responding to what I said, and can only frame the argument on(completely irrevelant) ethical grounds.

[Anonymous No.12858759]

>>12858717
I wholeheartedly agree with you Anon. I'm in college and blowing past my classes with straight A's but I am getting increasingly frustrated as I have not learned or earned a single useful skill since the start of the semester.
Anyway this thread I was also inferring self-education and yea anyone has the potential to be "great", but being great is a matter of perspective. For me you can be great of your own terms by utilising what little opportunity your own natural ability and environment offers you.

[Anonymous No.12858772]

>>12858717
Most people are at college to slay pussy, dude.

[Anonymous No.12858777]

>>12858649
If you are constantly impulsive you are irrational and being rational is the bare minimum for being virtuous. Then you can say that person is a tragic character but I believe 99.99% people with bad impulsiveness can learn to control themselves.

[Anonymous No.12858783]

>>12858777


>>12858657

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.12858786]

>>12858731
I don't see how he's subordinating scientific curiosity. Straying into the obviousness of world history and the way we've treated fellow humans in a mildly philosophical manner, sure, but it hardly negates any science the man ever did. To have a heart does this, does it anon?
It's bleedingly obvious the Roman's could have been a better empire had it freed it's people.
Sure sure, I know why they didn't. That doesn't excuse the current pack of sociopaths running humanity and much else on Earth into extinction.
So what's your particular bent of mind, if I may ask?

[Anonymous No.12858791]

>>12858772
you can do both though. i was a bit older than the other students in college so i was doing all right. got laid more than ever before or since desu. but that didnt interfere with me getting good grades. because it was so easy i didnt even have to really try.

[Anonymous No.12858795]

>>12858786
Damn

[Anonymous No.12858797]

>>12858772
That's not the purpose of college.

I don't care if other people are there to do that or not, it just isn't the purpose.

[Anonymous No.12858803]

>>12858786
They're entirely different topics. His contrast of the study of the brain with political emancipation is cheap rhetoric intended to associate psychometrics with oppression.

[Anonymous No.12858817]

>>12858659
Recc me the best stoic book you know my guy

[Anonymous No.12858833]

>>12858786
>the Roman's could have been a better empire had it freed it's people
Yeah, better from the peoples perspective, but worse from the empires perspective, which is the only opinion that really counted. If you don't know why, then good luck finding even 1% of the problems of modernity, let alone its successes, let alone its progression.

[Anonymous No.12858835]

>>12858663
Is this a new incel copypasta? because I'm going to start using it

[Anonymous No.12858850]

>>12858786


Baldly fantastical assertions declaimed as 'obvious' without any reasoning evidence and or reasoning derived by evidence is the mark of enemy sophists hostile to your well-being.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.12858852]

>>12858803
People are free to speak about anything they want. It's pretty fucking clear just how related his comment is to his work.
Your need to have people remain silent on the countless millions of people who have lived and suffered for inadequate "leaders", is pathological

>>12858817
Epictetus

>>12858833
>Anime posting

[Anonymous No.12858860]

>>12858645
you're the worst trip i've ever seen on this website

[Anonymous No.12858865]

>>12858659
>but who with great toil brought himself to endurance
So, Marcus was not naturally gifted because he gained through endurance? But this endurance is a natural gift, too, is it not? If this endurance was developed, than the ability to develop endurance was the natural gift, etc. etc. He is just proving his point. The more important question is, does he realize this? Well, you certaintly don't.

[Anonymous No.12858867]

>>12858852
>not responding to me :3

[Anonymous No.12858871]

>>12858865

Shit shitpost dumbass

[Anonymous No.12858875]

>>12858852
>Your need to have people remain silent
He can talk about it as much as he likes. It has literally nothing to do with the study of the brain, and he spent his career lying about that subject.

That sentence very clearly frames it as 'we have to do this instead of that.' We have to help the poor..instead of studying the brain and intelligence? He's a hack.

[Anonymous No.12858884]

>>12858663
If you are a true determinist, then you certaintly aren't a smart one. If you've realized something, then you can use it. If you havent, you can't.

[Anonymous No.12858904]

>>12858852
>Your need to have people remain silent on the countless millions of people who have lived and suffered for inadequate "leaders", is pathological
I would rather they made an effective argument for why that was wrong, apart from a masked weak sympathy.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.12858925]

>>12858875
>He can talk about it as much as he likes
Oh clearly not. Not with the tone police like you around to protect the beleaguered ruling class from ever having to think about low people

That, if you thought about it, would have benefited human progress.
But you don't think about it. Clearly.

>>12858904
Read the quote

[Anonymous No.12858931]

>>12858925
You feel like seriously engaging me? :3

You and I both know I've engendered an attraction for me on your end. It's okay it bleeds through your posts

[Anonymous No.12858936]

>>12858931
lol

[Anonymous No.12858940]

>>12858925
You cannot be so dumb as to not understand that it's not the emancipation of the poor I'm objecting to, it's his dishonest association of it to the study of the brain.

I can't say the same thing more than 5 times in a row for fuck's sakes

[Anonymous No.12858961]

>>12858925
>Read the quote
"Instead of figuring out what the possible qualities of a genius are, we should instead pointlessly mourn the arbitrary number of plausible geniuses of the past"

[Anonymous No.12858999]

>>12858645
Friendly reminder that this man falsified data in the Mismeasure of Man vis-a-vis Morton's skulls :3

[Anonymous No.12859008]

>>12858645
Ideological materialism comes short in the realm of historical analysis which fundamentally requires a level of empathizing and understanding, which prescriptive and modernist moral-bound ideologies contend with. The hypocrisy continues when you also have these same sorts of people promising "love" for their other "human beings" regardless of race or environmental circumstance; but also people they would simultaneously pathologize should these same people hold the wrong view. It's fitting then that they also prescribe similar justifications and rationalizations onto those that they do not understand, as this is as limited as their world view is and is all they can do to reduce people to their terms and hope to control the narrative. This is why moralization is unbecoming of worldly men of timeless renown and wisdom and asceticism is also classically held as the first principle before undergoing a pursuit of truth.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.12859009]

>>12858940
>it's his dishonest association of it to the study of the brain.
Around and around we go. He just says something tangentially related to a fucking question about Einstein's brain. Fuck man.
>He can talk about it as much as he likes
Oh but he can't.
>it's not the emancipation of the poor I'm objecting to,
You in a debate class or somethin'?

>>12858931
I had sex with my friend this weekend. Fuck off

[Anonymous No.12859026]

>>12858925
Okay, hold on now.
How much power does someone like anon have, to tell people what to think and what not to think.
That he is some sort of a police, would imply he holds a form of power. Yet that power is the very same power in essence that Gould held; to speak their mind. And they did, Anon and Gould both.
You've somehow managed to flip the blame on this particular Anon, for things such as:
1. Being essentially a bootlicker
2. Upholding an oppressive status quo
3. Demeaning the suffering of "low people" (why would you even use such a term to describe a human being?)
4. Blaming him for regurgitating, presumably, all of the things above.
Do you not see how insane all of this is?
You are treating this Anon as a collective.
And you are the underdog individual, fighting against this collective.
Pure ideology.

[Anonymous No.12859030]

>>12859009
you absolute nigger of the mind, this thread is about innate qualities. The gould quote is a derailment of that subject for an irrelevant unrelated subject

Why the fuck is he talking about poor people in sweatshops, when the subject is innate intelligence and the brain? Dont even answer you actual useless fuck

[Anonymous No.12859032]

>>12859009
You got me to fuck off once before by lying to me :3

About your age. Am I really supposed to believe this was the truth? Give me some details then if this was the case. How long did it last etc

You've lied once before, who knows how far you are willing to do it again. I will fuck off if you actually fucked her, but now I'm questioning this

[Anonymous No.12859044]

>>12859009
>He just says something tangentially related to a fucking question about Einstein's brain
>He just says something
He said nothing, no thing, as in there is no argument.

[Anonymous No.12859052]

>>12858817
>Recc me the best stoic book you know my guy

Read some Seneca if you haven't already.
Letters on Ethics to Lucilius would be my recommendation.

[Anonymous No.12859055]

>>12859009
I GUARANTEE THIS IS A LIE BUTTERFLY.

WHAT WAS HER NAME. WE HAD AN AGREEMENT THAT YOU WOULDNT DO ANYTHING AND YOU KNOW WHO I AM.

WHAT. WAS. HER. NAME. Surely she must have a name? :3

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.12859063]

>>12859030
>The gould quote is a derailment
It isn't really. Anon doesn't believe poor people have innate qualities that can be cultivated and treated with more dignity. As conversations go, they tend to drift. But I have nothing to add to stubborn mule minds, so I let it go.

[Anonymous No.12859064]

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I don't know why I'm freaking out its obv a lie but still

[Anonymous No.12859070]

>>12859063
>Anon doesn't believe poor people have innate qualities
You know how we could assess this? By STUDYING THE BRAIN YOU FUCKING COCKROACH

[Anonymous No.12859080]

>>12859063
What is dignity?
You certainly aren't giving much credence to it being a thing in the first place.
You demand dignity for "lower people" yet can't see the irony in that you call the people you want to be dignified as "lower".
If they are indeed, inherently "lower" in all of their capability, what is truly dignified action towards these people?

[Anonymous No.12859082]

>>12859055
>>12859032
>>12859009
can you both blow your fucking brains out and do this board a favor, jesus christ take it to a DM or some shit

[Anonymous No.12859085]

>>12859082
She's lying don't listen to her. She just hung out with her friends Sat night, she never goes out .

She wouldn't fuck anyone :3

[Anonymous No.12859100]

>>12859064
Based

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.12859124]

>>12859080
How disingenuous can you get.

>>12859100
You have a funny idea of "based"

[Anonymous No.12859136]

Wild

[Anonymous No.12859137]

>>12859124
whats so fucking funny did you touch your vaginas or not? Answer that question

[Anonymous No.12859180]

>>12858645
This was a very heterosexually feminine post.

[Anonymous No.12859185]

>>12858569
Look at Shakespeare, Hitler, da Vinci, etc... compared to some of the well-educated hacks that come out of Harvard or Oxbridge.

[Anonymous No.12859220]

>>12859185
But they're self educated. But yes the glory part is I already stated is mostly come from innate talent

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.12859222]

>>12859185
Capitalism
It protects its own

[Anonymous No.12859229]

>>12859222
You have to be fucking insane.

[Anonymous No.12859246]

>>12859229
He's a literal tranny communist.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.12859249]

>>12859229
For throwing shade on "higher education"?
Pff

[Anonymous No.12859265]

>>12859249
Throwing shade?
This simplistic, nonchalant shitpost is considered throwing shade?
Capitalism.
It protects its own.
What the fuck does this even mean?
And in what context?

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.12859308]

>>12859265
How do you not get what is being discussed here?

People dumb
"Higher education" is self promoting capitalist idealism
Corruption

[Anonymous No.12859347]

>>12859308
Higher Education existed before the current framework of capital even existed you dunce.
If you want to criticize what it has become now, do so, there is much to criticize it for.
But you do not seem to understand the concept of higher education itself.

[Anonymous No.12859354]

>>12859308
People who have never death with studying a complex topic in their life tend not to have any comprehension it what it is like.

There are many people out there who do things that actually matter, that actually require you to get things right as opposed to just throw shit ideas around that never have to be proven or verified or falsified.

This is why humanities should always be disregarded.

[Anonymous No.12859362]

According to my experiences and what I have observed in others, it's 90% nurture 10% innate ability.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.12859376]

>>12859347
>you do not seem to understand the concept of higher education itself.
Neither do universities

>>12859354
>people out there who do things that actually matter
SUCH a weak and hollow statement. How is this even a defense of capitalist hegemony?

[Anonymous No.12859393]

>>12858663
... Yet an underfed genetic freak of the top 0.1% won't achieve his potential and will be surpassed by a well fed dude of the garden variety top 20%.
Yes genes are deterministic but from potential to actualization there is a very long road

[Anonymous No.12859410]

>>12859376
Why do you respond with such empty platitudes?
Like I'm some kind of antagonist?
I criticized your comment fairly, yet you respond with this passive-agressive vitriol.
And it seems to be this way in every single thread you post in.
A snarky comment, with a depth of a puddle.
What do you hope to achieve with this?
Most of the people here are already jaded, lamenting the course that our education is taking and has been taking for the past 50 or so years.
Yes, we know, it is fucked to hell and back.
Now what? Let us drink from the same fountain of knowledge you draw your conclusions from.

[Anonymous No.12860537]

>>12858786
Behold the the tarantula, and be wary of its poison!

- Thus Spoke Zarathustra

[Anonymous No.12860556]

>l i k e s
4chan is plebbit. infinitychan is a shithole. 420chan is dead.
Where is an anon to go?

[Anonymous No.12860559]

>>12860556
oh fuck im retarded
fuck

[Anonymous No.12860692]

>>12858649
Phrenology did nothing wrong. Some specific claims turned out false like in every discipline, especially young. The fact some use it as example of retardation like astrology only shows how much mêmes trump everything even in 'serious' spheres.

[Anonymous No.12860709]

>>12859362
Do you move in a narrow social circle largely self reproducing?
I did, and it was easy to dismiss the primacy of innate qualities because I was living around people with similar genetic background but widely varying capabilities. Then I was confronted to the congenital retardation outside of my social circle and how it fitted parental profile the vast majority of the time.

[Anonymous No.12860767]

>>12858645
What a profusely vague statement.

Talents as in what? Einsteins prowess for math and physics i.e. IQ? A measurement which correlates to almost all categories of success? I have a very hard time imagining somewhat with a similar IQ score working themselves to death in cotton fields and sweatshops, it would be unreasonable to even suggest that.

What is he even implying? That we disregard one of 20th centuries most developed thinkers and academics because other people have died in sweatshops? How does that benefit anyone?

Of course there have probably been intelligent people that have died in sweatshops, but why should we disregard the "convolutions of Einsten's brain" because of it? The two have nothing to do with each other.

[Anonymous No.12860787]

>>12860709
You observed the effect of upbringing. If these kids had grown up in different families they'd have a chance to maximize their potential

[Anonymous No.12860845]

>>12858645
Education is the enslavement.

[Anonymous No.12860897]

>>12858645
Or how many geniuses have been aborted by liberals.

[Anonymous No.12860901]

Experience > Formal education (Secondhand experiences). anyone can learn to write but who learns to live?

[Anonymous No.12860912]

We dont have the grounds to truly prove that the innate can thrive above all else.

[Anonymous No.12860931]

>>12858717
I completely agree. I learned far more once I finished school and entered the workforce. Almost all knowledge is available online especially if you have no scruples about pirating material. Colleges basically had a monopoly on knowledge until the internet finally boomed. With the exception if medical and hard sciences, colleges need to be removed. If I was just given a series of finals for each of my courses and good study materials I could have finished college like 2 years earlier and bypassed all of the worthless lectures. Hopefully this will change in the future.

[Anonymous No.12861068]

>>12858569
Tell that to Goku

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.12861562]

>>12860537
I am the Übermensch

[Anonymous No.12861725]

>>12858659
holy shit it just dawned on me that greek is a whole language made up of mathematical constants

[Anonymous No.12861792]

>>12861725
Pure mathematics is the death of man through a zero-sum.

[Anonymous No.12861961]

>>12860931
Under capitalism exploitation of the masses is a certainty.

[Anonymous No.12862062]

>>12858645
niggers can´t into art

[Anonymous No.12862134]

>>12862062
Are you talking about black people?

[Anonymous No.12862147]

>>12861562
You are a brainwashed dipshit.

[Anonymous No.12862167]

>>12862134
no, i´m talking about purple people

[Anonymous No.12862180]

>>12862167
That doesn't make sense. Black people are front faces in music and fashion

[Anonymous No.12862189]

>>12858645
That quote is completely in line with the sentiment Marcus expressed. The guy literally uses the word 'talent'.

[Anonymous No.12862216]

>>12862180
>Black people are front faces in music and fashion

because of white liberals (i.e the establishment)

[Anonymous No.12862228]

>>12862167
Oh look a stupid racist

[Anonymous No.12862243]

>>12862216
The thing is most black people that become famous were poor and are literally coming from the bottom through there own skills. Also the music industry is practically owned by black people. Even white people are being hand picked by black performers like justin bieber.

[Anonymous No.12862311]

>>12862216
You are fucking retarded. More like the current white dominant establishment appropriate black culture. Rock and roll and blues was started by black people and you white fuckers are now obsessed with it.

[Anonymous No.12862322]

>>12862311
Why is this a bad thing? It just proves that the races are starting to get on better.

[Anonymous No.12862345]

>>12862311
And much of blues can be traced back to european folk music wtf is your point faggot?

[Anonymous No.12862353]

>>12861961
The issue is teenagers being engulfed in college thinking they need it to get a job (inb4 college wasn't about job training, I'm talking about post-1918 college). And they actually need it in many cases because recruitment is done by a combo of hr women and end-of-career boomer middle management that don't even consider people without degrees, however useless they might be. It has nothing to do with capitalism.

[Anonymous No.12862383]

>>12862322
It's not bad but the fact that there are racist anons that dont acknowledge that black people also produce top tier art just indicates which I indicated that many art they produced are not even acknowledge that they made it

[Anonymous No.12862397]

>>12862345
My FUCKING POINT is you dumbshit that black people also create top tier content. That was the whole point of my argument towards the racist fuck you fucking dipshit

[Anonymous No.12862414]

>>12862353
Why do you think that's the case. It's as if college and bank created a capital monopoly on tuition and loans

[Anonymous No.12862825]

>>12862383
Remind me why I should care about niggers? LOL

[Anonymous No.12863004]

>>12858569
Natural ability, un-nutured, and unguided, is largely a waste. A few might be able to struggle through the fog of ignorance. That's akk.
One lacking so called "natural ability" may able to overcome that, through diligent study and application of knowledge, along with mentoring and guidance, and attain an equal footing and success.

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>>12862147
Prove you’re not.