/sffg/ - Science Fiction & Fantasy General

[Anonymous No.12851046]

MYTHIC TALES EDITION
>Post books inspired by mythology and folklore

Monthly Reading for March: The Black Company by Glen Cook

Fantasy:
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Flowchart:
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Science Fiction:
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General:
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NPR's Top 100 Science Fiction & Fantasy Books:
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SF&F author listing with ratings and summaries:
http://greatsfandf.com/authors-full-list.php

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[Anonymous No.12851062]

>>12851046
Soulcatcher a waifu.

[Anonymous No.12851071]

So /sffg/, what do you think of birdboi's worldmap? Apparently he is ashamed of it for not being good enough.

[Anonymous No.12851080]

>>12851071
personally i don't like maps with land at the poles but whatever floats his boat i guess

[Anonymous No.12851082]

>>12851071
Only thing I don’t like is it looks like there’re large continents on both poles. Otherwise it’s fantastic.

[Anonymous No.12851093]

>>12851071
I'm not sure about climate but then you would have to map out winds and ocean currents for that. I want to say that there would be less ice on poles, maybe?

[Anonymous No.12851096]

>>12851062
You need to up your game, the original soulcatcher anon used to post a pic with his worthless spam.
>>12851071
The color scheme is awful, other than that it's fine.

[Anonymous No.12851099]

>>12851096
>the original soulcatcher anon used to post a pic with his worthless spam.
Not that much art I'm afraid, I will post some once in a while.

[Anonymous No.12851101]

fuck the crippled god and fuck erikson

[Anonymous No.12851121]

>>12851101
>fuck the crippled god
very problematic of you, anon

[Anonymous No.12851122]

>>12851051
I want to die but it's not happening fast enough.

[Anonymous No.12851130]

>>12851071
I think you should fuck off back over to /tg/ with the rest of worldbuilding map autists.
Seriously fuck off. Post actual books that were published (Amazon or traditional) or scram.

[Anonymous No.12851137]

>>12851101
Cosmerefag are you still hurt?

[Anonymous No.12851171]

Why is this general so autistically devoted to shitting on Sanderson? He's not perfect by any means but that doesn't mean he's bad. Not even mediocre. He's good, one could even say above average. Far better that GRRM, at least (although that's not saying much). Say what you will about Sanderson, but he doesn't write 1200 manuscripts of nothing. Granted, I've only read Mistborn 1, 2 and 3, Elantris and Warbreaker, but they're pretty entertaining. Shit happens all over a chapter and not just on its final two pages, like GRRM does. Plus the man knows how to write a climax. The prose is fluid and clear, it's never pretentious (fuck you Rothfuss), the characters are few but interesting and the worldbuilding is deep enough without ever being dense. I think what everybody at /sffg/ holds against him is that he uses magic systems, while everyone here seems to prefer grimderp mysterious magic a la GRRM. Personally, I don't care which one an author uses, but Sanderson sticks to his guns and does a fantastic job with them, in the end it's always logic that untangles a knot. Also, he pays attention to the importance of religion in creating a fantasy world, something most modern fantasy writers choose to ignore. Anyways, I read Powder Mage is a good enough substitute series for a Sanderson connoisseur but I kinda get the feeling it sucks. Does anyone here recommend it?

[Anonymous No.12851174]

>>12851137
Look at this Malazan fag getting butthurt.
Get over it tard, Malazan, Cosmere, WoT are all badly written bloated abominations that no one in their right mind should be reading..

[Anonymous No.12851179]

>>12851137
I will never not be mad.

[Anonymous No.12851251]

>>12851171
>powder mage
It's better than sanderson especially the 2nd ongoing trilogy.

[Anonymous No.12851259]

>>12851171
I don't even like grum but he's way better than Sanderson in every way,other than writing speed and maybe prose.

People dislike Sanderson because he thinks infodumping and worldbuilding to bloat up his books is a good substitute for plot; which it isn't. When he's not being an autist and building his world he goes into full on anime mode. There's also the thing about all his cardboard characters and bland dialogue, seriously I've seen characters in children's books that have more depth than the ones he writes. He tried writing a deep and conflicted character and we ended up with fucking Shallan who makes everyone who reads her chapters want to stab themselves in the eye.

Don't get me wrong, I respect him, he has an enviable work ethic and is clearly very dedicated to "his" way of writing but that does not make his books good in anyway. They're not bad for beginners but the problem is a lot of the time the beginners get stuck in the Cosmere loop and stop exploring all other books and fall into the trap of thinking that Sanderson's way of spoonfeeding information is the only way fantasy should be written.

Correct me if I'm wrong I think you are one of those new readers, probably wanted to get into fantasy after watching GoT read ASoIaF, didn't like it and then found Mistborn which is the most anime book ever written and fell in love, correct?

As for Powder Mage, the magic system is not as detailed as the ones in Sanderson's books if that's what you're looking for, it's still a hard magic system though. It's a flintlock gun military fantasy with wizards and gods. The first book is fine, books 2 and 3 have their moments but are shit for the most part. The novellas n between are great. There's a sequel series and it's fantastic, a huge improvement over the main one. It's worth it to get through the main series just to read the sequel series, it's that good. If you like war, guns and magic all mixed up, give it a shot.

[Anonymous No.12851294]

>>12851179
read Esselmont and maybe you'll understand shit better LMAO

[Anonymous No.12851313]

>>12851171
I read the first part of Mistborn and stopped because I was bored. I can't pretend my opinion is particularly well informed, but I don't think the characters were good, and it mostly seemed to be about the cool system of super powers he thought up. I don't find super power systems like that very magical or interesting..

People shit on popular things because there's no point in shitting on things hardly anyone likes or has even heard of.

[Anonymous No.12851334]

>>12851096
>You need to up your game, the original soulcatcher anon used to post a pic with his worthless spam.
I was really based wasn't I?
>>12851062
The poor man's me

[Anonymous No.12851344]

>>12851334
>The poor man's me
Instead of being rude you should post art.

[Anonymous No.12851348]

>>12851071
>turn europe sideways
>attach a big ass spain
Birdman is a birdSHAM

[Anonymous No.12851355]

>>12851171
Fraudulent homosexual

[Anonymous No.12851368]

>>12851344
My mum made me delete it
(she's a ladyfag)

[Anonymous No.12851370]

>>12851334
>I was really based wasn't I?
haha, fuck you faggit. I remember the whinefest and the meltdown you had before you stopped spamming that shit, it was hilarious.

[Anonymous No.12851377]

>>12851368
>(she's a ladyfag)
Fuck her.

[Anonymous No.12851388]

>>12851370
Nah, that was the dude that kept posting an image of Soulcatcher with red writing on it.

[Anonymous No.12851405]

>>12851388
That dude was anti-waifu poster. He also shat on Amber books too.

[Anonymous No.12851424]

>>12851259
Fair enough, you make a point.

>Correct me if I'm wrong I think you are one of those new readers, probably wanted to get into fantasy after watching GoT read ASoIaF, didn't like it and then found Mistborn which is the most anime book ever written and fell in love, correct?
No, I read books 1-4 before the TV show premiered. I guess it's mostly me, but GRRM's modus operandi of narrating what the character has been up to since the last time we saw him for 8 pages before moving the plot forward in the last 2 got tiresome. Westeros has a rich history going on, but some aspects just never really made sense to me (religion being a very neglected element of the world for the first three books, the scope being way too big, and the world basically taking 0 measures against the fucked up seasons, for example, a 3 year winter should obliterate the Vale of Arryn). I don't really love the Mistborn series, but even though I admit they're very anime-y, I think they're fun to read and at the same time manage to throw in some grimderp stuff to counterbalance what at first seems like a very lighthearted story (Kelsier's death, for example). I don't remember the infodumping been so atrocious, but then again it's been a few years since I read his books. Actually from what I remember he didn't dump too much info at first, so he needed to pull some things out of his ass in later books.

[Anonymous No.12851425]

>>12851405
>He also shat on Amber books too.
Crossed the fucking line

[Anonymous No.12851427]

nice thread anon

[Anonymous No.12851430]

>>12851171
>I read Powder Mage is a good enough substitute series for a Sanderson connoisseur but I kinda get the feeling it sucks. Does anyone here recommend it?
Nah,read Monarchies of God instead

[Anonymous No.12851434]

Read Claw of the Conciliator. Shit's weird. I don't feel like I have much idea what's going on. More specifically I don't understand any of the characters. Including Severian, despite having read 500 odd pages of his first person story.
For my tastes it's all a bit too enigmatic. I appreciate making a book that you can get a lot more out of by reading a second or third time, but reading it the first time is just confusing.

[Anonymous No.12851440]

>>12851046
>Monthly Reading for March: The Black Company by Glen Cook

Almost up. Anyone actually read it?

[Anonymous No.12851446]

>>12851440
I have read it several times in the past but not this month, if that counts.

[Anonymous No.12851461]

>>12851440
Does The Black Company have black people in it?

[Anonymous No.12851463]

>>12851430
>Monarchies of God
sell me on it, i don't feel like going to goodreads

[Anonymous No.12851467]

>>12851461
Eventually. Composition of the Company changes a whole lot as the story goes on.

[Anonymous No.12851473]

>>12851440
Yes. It was okay but nit not compel me to read more.

[Anonymous No.12851495]

>>12851130
I've got number 1, 2, 5, 6, 7, 9, 10, 13 and 14. Am I autistic?

[Anonymous No.12851501]

>>12851461
>>12851467
Isn't Goblin black? Or One eye?

[Anonymous No.12851518]

>>12851501
One eye.

[Anonymous No.12851529]

>>12851518
Wtf I love Goblin now?

[Anonymous No.12851537]

>>12851529
He always was a better one.

[Anonymous No.12851551]

>>12851440
Yep

on book 6 now

[Anonymous No.12851559]

>>12851501
>mfw ending

[Anonymous No.12851562]

>>12851463
It's powder mage but better and it is loosely based on the spanish inquisition.
i'm not good at selling shit so have a link to the wiki article
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchies_of_God

[Anonymous No.12851590]

>/sffg/ recs Green by Jay Lake
>GoodReads says it's hit
What do I do

[Anonymous No.12851595]

>>12851590
Have you taken a long look at GoodReads? They're hardly the arbiters of taste.

[Anonymous No.12851627]

>final boss of new Grim Dawn expansion was a chained god

[Anonymous No.12851644]

3 MORE DAYS

[Anonymous No.12851697]

>>12851046
200 pages from the end of Broken Empire, gentlemen, solid series overall so far although

that Bishop Murillo rape scene came out of nowhere wtf was the point

[Anonymous No.12851710]

>>12851440
I don't read epic fantasy.
Next time please don't vote for the first in a series you idiots.

[Anonymous No.12851746]

>>12851710
Well, I'm sorry. We'll vote for something sufficiently urban next time, Jamal.

[Anonymous No.12851858]

>>12851839

[Anonymous No.12851922]

>>12851858
You tricked me

[Anonymous No.12851934]

>>12851922
What?

[Anonymous No.12852073]

>>12851046
>dat pic
Are those elves, fae, fairies, vamps, demons, or nature spirits?

[Anonymous No.12852094]

>>12851590
If it helps Jay Lake is dead. According to outer lit you should only read books by dead authors.

[Anonymous No.12852095]

>>12851440
yes, it was great

[Anonymous No.12852103]

>>12851746
How did you know my name.... Rick... that you?

[Anonymous No.12852165]

first or third person?

[Anonymous No.12852170]

>>12851440
About to finish it, thought it was decent

[Anonymous No.12852179]

>>12852165
First

[Anonymous No.12852185]

>>12852165
second

[Anonymous No.12852186]

How's the Vorrh trilogy?

[Anonymous No.12852194]

>>12852186
real fun

[Anonymous No.12852265]

Why can't I get a mature white woman mommy to breed, like the trymoon saga.
Why can't their be more milf fucking books?
I only read 3 milf books.

[Anonymous No.12852266]

>>12851440
I did and I loved it, are the other books worth reading?

[Anonymous No.12852273]

>>12852165
FPS or RTS?

[Anonymous No.12852292]

>>12852273
i like /gsg/ i guess

[Anonymous No.12852449]

>>12852266
First trilogy + Silver Spike definitely. After that series decidedly takes a differ direction as they head to fantasy India and opinions differ. I still liked it to the end.

[Anonymous No.12852461]

I've heard good things about Worm but that it's hellishly long. What's the opinion of /sffg/ about it?

[Anonymous No.12852472]

>>12852461
I liked it

[Anonymous No.12852504]

>>12852165
It depends on the writer, and hell even they can switch pretty well at times. I'd have to say I prefer 3rd just because it allows the reader to be surprised. Imagine if Rouges in the House was written from POV, we'd just read Conans internal reasoning as soon as he lays eyes on the stool and it wouldn't be so hilariously anti-climactic and jarring.

[Anonymous No.12852639]

>>12852461
Edgy ya shit

[Anonymous No.12852881]

>>12852461
It's fun capeshit

[Anonymous No.12852901]

>>12852165
Third. More flexibility and able to add more depth to the story and other characters.

[Anonymous No.12852926]

>>12852881
Fuck me. How do people even write that many words.

[Anonymous No.12852954]

>>12852926
they be smart

[Anonymous No.12852970]

How much detail do you like cities to have in books? I'm a massive worldbuildingfag but some authors go overboard even for me.

[Anonymous No.12853033]

>>12852970
Is that a camel, horse or llama he is riding?

[Anonymous No.12853052]

>>12852970
To the point that I get a picture of it, but it still keeps being interesting and the author doesn't ruin the appeal. Tolkien was the master of it and did world building brilliantly.

[Anonymous No.12853110]

>>12852926
No/lazy/incompetent editors, full dedication towards the series, and just shoving more words in there without a thought. Basically, those are the big 3.

[Anonymous No.12853202]

>>12852165
depends on what kind of story you're trying to tell, one isn't inherently better than the other. though first person gets shit on a lot because a disproportionate amount of trashy urban fantasy and YA books it.

[Anonymous No.12853208]

>>12853202
use it*

[Anonymous No.12853210]

>>12852881
Bloody hell, whats "The Riftwar Cycle" like?

[Anonymous No.12853279]

Define High Fantasy.
Define Low Fantasy.
Define Dark Fantasy.

[Anonymous No.12853301]

>>12853279
bitch this ain't wokipedia

[Anonymous No.12853305]

>>12851071
it looks too much like earth. not the specifics ofc, but if you squint you could mistake it. where's my desert world with few if any spots of water, my pangea, or my thousand islands.

[Anonymous No.12853306]

>>12853279
Shit
Shit
A bit more shit than the ones above

[Anonymous No.12853314]

>>12853279
>>12853306
You can't even answer the question, yet you call yourself gamers?

[Anonymous No.12853325]

>>12851434
Sword and citadel are vastly superior to shadow and claw and indirectly make shawdow and claw better

[Anonymous No.12853333]

>>12853325
Excuse the autistic typo

[Anonymous No.12853352]

>>12853279
Gay
Kino
Ultra Kino

[Anonymous No.12853357]

>>12853279
Gay
Neat if done well
Neat if done well

[Anonymous No.12853360]

What's a series like WoT but without books worth of descriptions of hair pulling? The conceit I've heard sounds really cool, characters hearing legends of the old days, and then eventually reenacting them.

[Anonymous No.12853372]

>>12851171
Powder mage is good, the newest trilogy is even better. Go read the shadow campaigns by Wexler for the superior flintlock fantasy

[Anonymous No.12853413]

>>12851046
>people finally realizing Malazan is shit
Took long enough.

[Anonymous No.12853427]

I've only read up until Tower Lord. How bad is the third one?

[Anonymous No.12853430]

>>12852970
Like the other anon said, most appearance describing is best when it gives you a general understanding of the structure and aesthetic, but still is vague enough that you can come up with your own image rather than feeling like you're reading the authors documentary of his autistic worldbuilding sessions.

[Anonymous No.12853432]

>>12853413
The popular opinion here always used to be that Malazan is shit but we had a huge influx of leddit fags this year which shifted the tide.

[Anonymous No.12853442]

>>12853427
Worse, waaaaaaaaay worse. The drop off is steep even compared to the one going from Blood Song to Tower Lord.

[Anonymous No.12853448]

>>12851071
Go shill somewhere else.

[Anonymous No.12853460]

>>12851171
I don't shit on Sanderson I just tell people that they shouldn't expect much from him and that once you read a few of his books you pretty much just read them all.

[Anonymous No.12853465]

>>12851424
asoiaf becomes really shitty the moment you read about the war of the roses.

[Anonymous No.12853473]

>>12853432
I've always liked Malazan. It's good epic fantasy, but epic fantasy is not good.

[Anonymous No.12853478]

Just finished reading The Man Who Folded Himself
Probably the gayest piece of fiction I've ever read
7/10 would recommend

[Anonymous No.12853482]

>>12852881
Amazing what Tolkien could do with that.

[Anonymous No.12853486]

>>12853442
Care to give some spoilers?

[Anonymous No.12853491]

>>12853305
How blind are you mate?

[Anonymous No.12853492]

>>12853432
Yeah I did feel a change here a year ago. What prompted them to come here more than they used to?

[Anonymous No.12853499]

>>12851171
I agree with you about Sanderson to a point -- particularly the ones you've read. He brought the idea of "ending" back to fantasy and deserves great praise for that. But now I think he's just churning out too much shovelware. I might go back to him when he finishes his big series.

I read Powder Mage and found it flat. There is one good subplot, but the main thrust of it is bland and dull. If you want a substitute Sanderson try Dave Wolverton, who taught Sanderson at BYU. The first few books of his Runelords series (written as David Farland) are really good -- it has a Sanderson-style magic system that's wonderfully enmeshed in the story. I remember it fading after a bit (eager publisher syndrome) but well worth starting. I also really enjoyed The Golden Queen series. A little offbeat, with a talking bear who finds his calling in Christ.

[Anonymous No.12853509]

>>12853279
You know on some level I agree with outer/lit/. Confining yourself into a genre does limit you but at the same time you can still do a lot within that genre. There are plenty of examples of good genre fiction. However, subgenres are just cancerous.

[Anonymous No.12853542]

>>12851171
>Far better that GRRM,

oof

FUCK no he aint

[Anonymous No.12853549]

>>12853542
His books have endings, though.

[Anonymous No.12853580]

>>12853549
and thank G*d for that! so you can be put out of your misery eventually

[Anonymous No.12853628]

>>12851071
>imgur file name
Is birdboi posting on leddit?

[Anonymous No.12853631]

>>12851440
still on the first chapter

[Anonymous No.12853641]

>>12853499
>He brought the idea of "ending" back to fantasy
Amen. More writers could follow his example and write standalone books. I'm sick of new authors starting their careers with a trilogy. Say what you will about Sanderson but at least you don't (usually) have to read three, five, or seven novels to get closure on his stories.

[Anonymous No.12853659]

/sffg/, I had a little monster idea. Remember that lab rat that scientists grew an ear on a few years ago? What if you had a rat king but every rat had a different body part growing out of it. When the rats came together they fit together like puzzle pieces and allowed it to take any form just by moving the rats around. The individual rats would be a hive mind and could split up, with the one carrying the mouth being the herald

>>12852881
dresden should be marked unfinished. The next book actually is coming out. it was delayed by Butcher's divorce and a legal battle with shitty contractors

[Anonymous No.12853724]

>>12853360
Just go read WoT.

[Anonymous No.12853857]

This has been great so far and it's funny how much Moorcock ripped off from it considering how much of a crybaby bitch he's been over the years with writers who he believed ripped HIM off.

[Anonymous No.12853883]

>>12853641
Seriously, why the fuck are trilogies seen as the golden standard of story length?

[Anonymous No.12853960]

>>12852165
why not both?

[Anonymous No.12853969]

>>12853960
Because first person is shit.

[Anonymous No.12853976]

>>12853969
Seriously though, can't you use both?

[Anonymous No.12853997]

>>12853976
you can. just don't go crazy with it.
dickying with perspectival stuff only really lands when practically everything else is sound.

[Anonymous No.12854017]

>>12853883
I am assuming it has to do with story structure. With a trilogy you have clear beginning, middle and end. It's probably easier that way to pace a story.

[Anonymous No.12854076]

>>12853976
You CAN use both, but that doesn't mean you should.

[Anonymous No.12854086]

>>12854076
Why not?

[Anonymous No.12854129]

>mfw I took the Jordanpill and began to enjoy the shit out of every facet of the WoT

[Anonymous No.12854136]

>>12854086
Same reason you don't put lucky charms in your spaghetti.

[Anonymous No.12854138]

>>12854136
I don't get it. I'm looking for a genuine answer.

[Anonymous No.12854190]

>>12851440
Finished the first three. Going to either stop now, or read silver spike then stop I think.

[Anonymous No.12854205]

>>12852970
>How much detail do you like cities to have in books?
Half of whatever the autistic "worldbuilder" author thinks is sufficient.

[Anonymous No.12854208]

>>12854138
It makes the reader feel motion sick.

[Anonymous No.12854212]

March fantasy releases? I have low standards, lay it on me.

I've already heard good stuff about Underlord, Breaking Chaos, and We Lie With Death.

[Anonymous No.12854218]

recommend me a fun fantasy

[Anonymous No.12854236]

>>12854212
I enjoyed underlord and the whole cradle series a lot. If you enjoyed the rest cradle I think underlord is one of the better ones so youll probably like it. If you havnt read the rest of the cradle series read the first one and see if its your thing.

[Anonymous No.12854252]

>>12854236
Yeah, I think I'll dig it once I try the series out.

[Anonymous No.12854356]

>>12854017
That works for some books but falls apart for the ones where the story started in the first ends in the first and the next books have to cook up an entirely new plot to keep going.

[Anonymous No.12854405]

Currently reading The Knight.
It started out great but honestly, right now I just want it to be over. Is the payoff good or should I just drop it? Currently in chapter 51

[Anonymous No.12854641]

>>12854405
Stick to Sanderson, scrub.

[Anonymous No.12854649]

>>12854405
Finish it so you can get on The Wizard ride.

[Anonymous No.12854804]

>>12851046
I was in the /ic/ thread when this /ic/fag drew that!

[Anonymous No.12854810]

>>12854804
*wait this is a work from someone who draws in the same style
>>12852073
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/JlaRPA
it's fae

[Anonymous No.12854847]

I've taken the Sanderson pill.

[Anonymous No.12854853]

Imagine a modern day writer who only wrote one-and-done full-length novels, novellas, and short stories. What a magnificent man he'd be.

[Anonymous No.12854855]

>>12854847
*suppository

[Anonymous No.12854863]

What are some recommend short story collections for fantasy? I find that I get bored of long epics but small vignettes that capture the feeling of a different time or place yet don't overstay their welcome still appeal to me greatly.

[Anonymous No.12854895]

>>12853857
Damm that's a gorgeous cover

[Anonymous No.12854967]

>>12854863
Night Winds by Karl Edward Wagner
Thune's Vision by Schuyler Hernstrom
The Throne of Bones by Brian McNaughton
Far Away & Never by Ramsey Campbell
Swords Against Darkness collections (if you can find them)
The Coming of Conan the Cimmerian

[Anonymous No.12854983]

>>12854967
Thank you!

[Anonymous No.12854991]

>>12854983
And Imaro by Charles Saunders if the idea of a black Conan in an African Sword & Sorcery setting interests you.

[Anonymous No.12855009]

>>12854895
Yeah, I know dude, modern covers usually suck with some stupid scene inaccurately depicted on the cover.
This, this is fantastic. Simple, elegant and meaningful.

[Anonymous No.12855032]

>>12854991
It, does. So thanks again. I actually asked about short stories in the fantasy section of my bookshop the other day but got no help, everyone seems to be into multi-volume epics and not much else so you have been really helpful.

[Anonymous No.12855050]

>>12852461
Taylor is my waifu. She's basically the only good thing about it. and the only good thing wildbow ever wrote

[Anonymous No.12855067]

what are we reading for April lads? I missed the last thread?

[Anonymous No.12855072]

>>12855067
We haven't done the poll yet. Monthly anon will probably put it up in the next thread.

[Anonymous No.12855086]

>>12855032
Bloated epic fantasy can fuck off and die at this point. The last thing the world needs is another fantasy series that goes longer than 3 books.

[Anonymous No.12855103]

How many of you cunts are writing fantasy novels?

I have no problem spitting out 200-300 pages in a few months but editing just kills me. The sense of wonder from building a new world is gone and trying to fill in pages of dialogue to include body language and the like is pure suffering.

So how to become a better editor? How to edit and not start to hate my own work?

[Anonymous No.12855107]

>>12855103
w-why would you post that picture here?!

[Anonymous No.12855119]

>>12855103
I've tried, but I get disheartened by how shit I am after half a dozen pages. Fuck my autism.

[Anonymous No.12855132]

>>12855103
>>12855119
Lucky you, I get bogged down after a quarter of a page

[Anonymous No.12855135]

>>12855103
Why is autistic world building so widespread among authors?

[Anonymous No.12855139]

>>12855135
escapism

[Anonymous No.12855151]

>>12855032
my god that is the most perfect woman I've ever seen

[Anonymous No.12855156]

>>12855135
I think because it isn't writing. Writing requires the honing of various skills and then employing them in a direction that eventually requires concluding. Worldbuilding on the other hand is the art of stacking as many "wouldn't-it-be-cool-if's" on top of each other as you can, which is a fairly fun thing to do as it has a daydream-like quality to the process, but ultimately teaches you very little. It is a form of procrastination for most people.

[Anonymous No.12855172]

>>12855156

This is the true answer. I like to make little drawings inspired by the world too. Anything to avoid actually writing.

[Anonymous No.12855187]

it begins

https://torrentfreak.com/court-orders-french-isps-to-block-sci-hub-and-libgen-190331/

[Anonymous No.12855220]

>>12855187
AAAAAAAAAAAAAHH

[Anonymous No.12855248]

>>12855187
try using opera vpn (or any other vpn) or TOR browser

[Anonymous No.12855254]

>>12855187
>The court sided with the ISPs, who argued that they should have the freedom to choose their own blocking method, including DNS blocking
It's nothing, as usual.

[Anonymous No.12855265]

>>12853372
>newest trilogy is even better.
Did we read the same book?

>>12853413
Why are you replying to the OP?

[Anonymous No.12855292]

>>12855265
Not that anon but I agree with him. This book is great.

[Anonymous No.12855295]

>>12853432
>the 5 anons screaming the same shit over and over again is the entire general's opinion on a matter
>when you ask for a book and one anon tells you conan and gene wolfe and you didn't like it, it's the entire general's fault
>when the majority is fed up of the vocal minority opening their yaps and hits back, it's those raddit fags invading
You and your other non reading ilk feel you own / run this general because for years you talked and no one naysayed you, but time has changed. You will no longer get your way. The vocal minority will be silenced, you fucked up this general enough with your shitty tastes.

[Anonymous No.12855299]

>>12853486
Read it since you don't want to listen. People like you love to experience shit first hand.

[Anonymous No.12855332]

>>12853659
>legal battle with shitty contractors
Lol. They probably thought Butcher was some broke cunt they could take advantage of. They didn't know he had bank to carry them to court and make it stick.

[Anonymous No.12855343]

>>12855009
>>12854895
>>12853857
>modern covers usually suck with some stupid scene inaccurately depicted on the cover
>the broken sword
>sword is whole and unbroken

[Anonymous No.12855352]

>>12854136
>Same reason you don't put lucky charms in your spaghetti
That would probably take delicious. I put fruity pebbles in my spaghetti.

[Anonymous No.12855383]

>>12853279
LOTR
Planescape: Torment
Elric

[Anonymous No.12855387]

>>12854983
Too sticc for me. No hips and thighs for me to caress.

>>12855032
Thicc girls that aren't fat are my weakness.

[Anonymous No.12855426]

>>12855103
I'm currently in the process of designing my D&D campaign if that counts.

[Anonymous No.12855432]

Just finished this and wasn't very impressed. Is it worth reading the sequels? Does it get better?

[Anonymous No.12855435]

>>12855432
That cover tells me all I need to know, hard pass.

[Anonymous No.12855438]

>>12855432
>ann

[Anonymous No.12855446]

>>12853659
>The next book actually is coming out. it was delayed by Butcher's divorce and a legal battle with shitty contractors
Its delayed because he figured out he could coast on his con tours. He hasn't made anything decent since "changes" and its been going down hill since. He's adopted the new writers grift of keeping readers hostage by never getting to the end of their once popular series.

[Anonymous No.12855450]

>>12855432
If you didn't like that book don't read the rest as they are not as good.

[Anonymous No.12855470]

>>12851071
It's shit, too many islands. Most of the real earth's surface is relatively smooth

[Anonymous No.12855495]

When did you realize that Patrick Rothfuss is an insufferable cunt?

[Anonymous No.12855512]

>>12855495
Don't read about authors, retard.

[Anonymous No.12855515]

>>12855495
When he released "RICK AND MORTY PLAY DUNGEONS AND DRAGONS" and the SJW comic instead of properly working on the only good series he will ever write in his life.

[Anonymous No.12855530]

>>12855470
Not him but why are you saying a fantasy world isn't well designed simply because it's too unlike Earth? Isn't the whole point that it isn't Earth?

[Anonymous No.12855546]

>>12855495
>>12855515
>want to know what the fuck is up with Evil Morty in Rick and Morty
>want to know what the fuck is up with the Chandrians
>D&D book does neither
New actual content never.
Dead series (plural).

[Anonymous No.12855555]

>>12855432
It gets worse. I enjoyed the first book but the sequels felt forced.

[Anonymous No.12855557]

>>12855495
when he did that dnd thing with those other cunts

[Anonymous No.12855563]

>>12855515
>>12855546
>>12855557
What's so wrong with that DnD book? Is it at least entertaining?

[Anonymous No.12855566]

>>12855555
Holy shit check em

[Anonymous No.12855577]

>>12855563
i meant this shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8Ra1ecLhtI

[Anonymous No.12855584]

>>12855495
does he even still bother coming up with excuses for no sequel in 8 years?

[Anonymous No.12855587]

>>12855566
>Holy shit check em
Check yourself

[Anonymous No.12855634]

>>12855584
Absolutely. Fat fuck can't stay focused for more than three minutes. Take a look at this video. He's been asked to talk about his writing process. Three minutes later he's rambling about some charity foundation nobody gives a shit about.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j61o_ow86j0&t=29s

[Anonymous No.12855714]

>>12855295
[citation needed] for literally anything in your post

[Anonymous No.12855724]

>>12855555
CHECK EM

[Anonymous No.12855754]

>>12855555
checked

>>12855495
Saw a DnD session that he was in and he seemed fun, so I do not really see a reason for hating him. Never read his books nor intend to, though.

[Anonymous No.12855760]

Anyone else laugh at Duke Aubrey's introduction in Lud in the Mist?

[Anonymous No.12855785]

>>12855432
>let me spam the same shit every fucking thread

[Anonymous No.12855949]

>>12855512
You are reading about them when you read them, retard

[Anonymous No.12855986]

>>12855949
>reads the author instead of their books
You reactionary cunts are the worst. You look for shit to be angry and upset about.

[Anonymous No.12856095]

>>12855986
>reactionary
>defending Rothfuss
Do I even have to say it?

[Anonymous No.12856114]

>>12855986
Agreed. Millennials are an idiotic generation.

[Anonymous No.12856160]

Should i collect the Gor books or only a couple of the good ones?

[Anonymous No.12856326]

>>12856160
I have books 1 to 30 (there are 34 afaik). But frankly I only enjoyed only few of those that I have read (for fapping that is). I should get around uploading them.

[Anonymous No.12856389]

So what's up with Wise Man's Fear anyway? I dropped the series after the first book, thought it was kinda mediocre. Does it reveal anything about the Chandrian? Does it move the plot forward? Any interesting character development? Something cool happening with Kvothe, Chronicer and Bast?

[Anonymous No.12856451]

>>12856389
No. Kvothe meets a sex goddess and spends a good quarter of the book fucking her and becoming such a good sex good even the sex goddess is impressed.

Im not kidding.

[Anonymous No.12856494]

>>12856389
Nope, it's a whole lot of nothing. Whatever Rothfuss had he'd already used it and he's been hiding behind a facade since.

[Anonymous No.12856503]

>>12856451
how specific are the sex scenes

[Anonymous No.12856512]

>>12855343
It got better

[Anonymous No.12856515]

>>12856389
It's basically just Kvothe's Wacky Adventures. No interesting character development and the plot doesn't progress whatsoever. Complete waste of time.

[Anonymous No.12856539]

>>12856503
I think he uses the phrase "her naked body" more than I can count. It reads like Rothfuss jerking himself off to his fairy girl fantasy for a few chapters. They're pretty much skippable. Except probably the part where kvothe meets an oracle thing and talks to it

[Anonymous No.12856572]

>>12856451
Dont forget the kung-fu sex adventures too.

[Anonymous No.12856591]

>>12856572
>everybody was kung-fu fucking

[Anonymous No.12856615]

>>12856572
Greentext, please.

[Anonymous No.12856619]

>>12851440
Started late, but am roughly half way done. I'm at the part where Soulcatcher is telling Croaker and Raven to practice their ranged bow shooting for whatever reason.[\spoiler] Loving it so far, much more than Erikson's GotM that it inspired. Does the series maintain its quality or does it fall off like I've seen some anons mention?

[Anonymous No.12856637]

>>12855292
>>12853372
You mean this?

[Anonymous No.12856642]

>>12856619
It falls of after the books of the north. Though that trilogy is seld contained so you can enjoy it.

[Anonymous No.12856644]

>>12855584
Trump

[Anonymous No.12856646]

>>12856095
Am I defending him?
if you are attacking something on sffg, attack the fucking book, not what the author does with his free time. I don't even know why you fucks care. Book three will never be released. And if it is, it will be book 3, 1/2, because he can't tie everything up, even if he uses a 1000 pages.

[Anonymous No.12856767]

what the fuck though?

[Anonymous No.12856804]

>>12856767

[Anonymous No.12856816]

i saw mortiis on friday, you all should listen to more /dungeonsynth/

[Anonymous No.12856833]

>>12856767
which one of those is the one where the nazi win?

[Anonymous No.12857192]

>>12856816
Wrong board. You meant to post in >>>/mu/

[Anonymous No.12857282]

>>12853279
Too pretentious.
Too lazy.
Too edgy.

[Anonymous No.12857355]

>>12856767
>the tattooist of auschwitz
Women will turn ANYTHING into a BDSM novel, won't they?

[Anonymous No.12857375]

>>12853279
"Dare you enter my magical realm?"
"You can get to the magical realm via the subway"
"The magical realm is full of shit and offal and I'm just the grizzled sonnovabitch to tell you about it"

[Anonymous No.12857389]

>>12856615
read the book you ultra nigger

[Anonymous No.12857420]

>>12855103
I wrote one in 2017 and from the reactions it seems to have been pretty good, but I've been struggling to write a second one due to a lack of confidence.

desu, I just want to get it over with but I want it to be perfect

[Anonymous No.12857437]

>>12857420
What's your story anon?

[Anonymous No.12857465]

>>12857437
why dont you just read it instead of asking him to summarize it for you?

[Anonymous No.12857467]

>>12855986
You're projecting, princess snowflake.

[Anonymous No.12857482]

>>12857465
I don't even know what novel he's talking about or whether he published it or not, gimme a break

[Anonymous No.12857517]

>>12857437
the one I wrote or the one im writing?

the one I wrote is still unpublished because Im too lazy to look for a publisher

[Anonymous No.12857529]

>>12857517
Both actually if you don't mind

[Anonymous No.12857543]

>>12856615
>kvothe masters another discipline, this time kung-fu
it's really not that interesting

[Anonymous No.12857554]

>>12857543
kung fu AND sex

[Anonymous No.12857612]

>>12857529
the first was a humorous science-fantasy about an oracle who wants to be an astronomer.

the second is a weird fiction adventure novel about an isekkai protagonist who wants to be a molecular gastronomer.

however, since that's going to be a series and im not super confident, I might first write a magical realism about an ignorant boy who wants to be a traveling chef

[Anonymous No.12857638]

>>12857612
Well, you should definitely try and get it published, it's an interesting premise

[Anonymous No.12857895]

What is THE BEST currently unfinished fantasy series? I mean that will be finished, not like the GoT fatfuck or that one about the Mary Sue at magic university.

[Anonymous No.12857921]

>>12857895
raven's mark

[Anonymous No.12857959]

>trying to remember the name of a dark fantasy isekaish novel I read as a kid
>can't for the life of me remember what it was, only vague details of the plot and it doesn't seem to exist on the internet
why the FUCK

[Anonymous No.12857969]

>>12852266
Book of the norht are amazing. Rest are ok, but won't re-read them as much as the first three.

[Anonymous No.12857975]

>>12857959
Tell me more

[Anonymous No.12858019]

>>12857975
It had a weird way of story telling, combining both the written word and graphic novel. There was the "real" world and the "dark" world and the only way to get into the dark world was completing a ritual. Once inside the dark world, it switched from text to graphic novel and the point was to survive death games like mazes and such. The reward for completing a game was a ticket for the train station back to the real world. Once back in the real world, the person who completed the ritual typically wouldn't have any memories of the dark world. I've been trying to remember the name of the book/series but I can't for whatever reason.

[Anonymous No.12858089]

>>12857612
>who wants to be a molecular gastronomer.
>magical realism about an ignorant boy who wants to be a traveling chef
Why hello there, RatKing/ Magical Flavour molecule anon.

[Anonymous No.12858107]

>>12853279
Wizards
Shamans
Evil wizards

[Anonymous No.12858155]

>april is another month of who-asked-for-this releases
Why is it that the "good" books usually come out late summer/fall time?

[Anonymous No.12858177]

>>12858155
They don't. If anything summer has more bad books due to publishers targeting the teenage school crowd with shitty ya books.

[Anonymous No.12858191]

>>12858177
>all the rape and tight pussy releases are shitty YA
Hmmm.

[Anonymous No.12858192]

what's the next book of the month?

[Anonymous No.12858196]

>>12858192
The Bible. Ya'll monsters need some Jesus up in you.

[Anonymous No.12858198]

>>12858192
You will find out the thread after next.
The next thread will be discussions (if monthly reading anon isn't dead), you will also throw your suggestions out next thread.
Thread after next there will be a poll, and you will find out.

[Anonymous No.12858199]

>>12851440
I read it. It was different. I’m not sure if it was good. If the books get worse from here, as I’ve heard, I don’t think I’ll read anymore

[Anonymous No.12858202]

>>12858196
I'm not gay. Why would I want a spanish guy up in my guts?

[Anonymous No.12858210]

>>12858202
I'm sure that sounded humorous in your head.

[Anonymous No.12858244]

>>12858210
Some world knowledge to you.
Jesus is pronounced Hee-seuss in Spanish / Portuguese, and it's a common name given to children.
So again. Why would I want a spanish guy up in my guts?

[Anonymous No.12858254]

>>12858244
>portuguese
wrong

[Anonymous No.12858270]

>>12858244
>explaining the bad joke

[Anonymous No.12858302]

>>12858270
>>12858254
>all these flavors and you had to be salty
Did a comedian touch you as a kid?
Did clowns diddle you or something?

[Anonymous No.12858311]

>>12858244
>Jesus is pronounced Hee-seuss in Spanish
>Hee
Spic here, this is wrong.
Anyway, the """joke""" doesn't work at all since Jesus is also a name in English and you don't hear the pronunciation in written form. And even if it worked, it's not very funny.

[Anonymous No.12858321]

>>12858302
>keeps digging

[Anonymous No.12858344]

>>12858311
>Jesus is also a name in English
Hence the "spanish guy"

>>12858321
I'm p.y.t catching all the light. You can't stop me

[Anonymous No.12858364]

>>12856767
every other cover is some woman's back. what's that about?
https://www.barnesandnoble.com/b/books/historical-fiction/world-war-ii-historical-fiction/_/N-29Z8q8Z10o0?Nrpp=40&page=1

[Anonymous No.12858375]

>>12858344
>Hence
This is a word you use when one thing concludes from another. The opposite of this situation.

[Anonymous No.12858382]

>>12858375
>shitposting is fun
>watch me do

[Anonymous No.12858468]

>>12851046
>Be writing heavy cyberpunk novel where the main character is a jaded asshole
>Share rough draft with friends
>Their feedback keeps me writing consistently
>Reach a burnout point
>Have spent the past week writing a comfy fluff piece about a swashbuckling wizard who takes on a Chimera girl as a traveling companion
>Writing has devolved to light novel tier

[Anonymous No.12858489]

>>12855760
Aubrey-sama is amazing.

[Anonymous No.12858587]

>>12858468
>heavy cyberpunk novel where the main character is a jaded asshole
I'm already yawning.

[Anonymous No.12858630]

>>12858468
Honestly, the second novel sounds much more interesting than the first. Please, tell us more about the second one.

[Anonymous No.12858864]

>>12858468
>Modern Cyberpunk
Don't try it
>Swashbuckling wizard who takes on a Chimera girl
Based

[Anonymous No.12858866]

>>12858468
>Be writing heavy cyberpunk novel where the main character is a jaded asshole
You mean every cyberpunk novel ever written?

[Anonymous No.12858873]

>>12858468
>Have spent the past week writing a comfy fluff piece about a swashbuckling wizard who takes on a Chimera girl as a traveling companion
i need this.

[Anonymous No.12858878]

>>12858864
What's even the point about doing modern cyperpunk if isn't some combination of what's going on in China and how sites like Twitter, Facebook, and Youtube work in tandem to de-platform wrong-thinkers?

[Anonymous No.12858887]

>>12858878
back to pol, you nazi piece of shit.

[Anonymous No.12858896]

>>12858887
>back to pol, you nazi piece of shit.

[Anonymous No.12858906]

>>12858878
>gib me money and lets kills all these other people
>waahh they stopped me from getting funding

[Anonymous No.12858909]

>>12858906
See: >>12858896

[Anonymous No.12858917]

>>12851046
Is there any character in fiction more annoying than Elayne? I'm reading Lords of Chaos right now and the way she treats my main man Matt is unacceptable.

[Anonymous No.12858919]

>>12853883
There's Tolkien's success, and the tendency of fantasy readers to buy by the pound, but I think the setting plays such a big role in fantasy that a trilogy is a way of amortizing that investment across three books

[Anonymous No.12858927]

its just flavoranon, but hi anyway

[Anonymous No.12858929]

>>12857895
based Cradle

[Anonymous No.12858932]

>>12853883
Because of that asshole Tolkien. Even though technically it wasn't his fault since LOTR was written as one book, but then broken up into three.

[Anonymous No.12858937]

>>12851071
>north and south america after a few millennia of heavy drinking on the left
>africa and down's syndrome europe in the top middle
>string of islands on the right resemble a neo-japan

wow, very creative and original worldbuilding here

[Anonymous No.12858987]

>>12858927
Weren't you playing around with the ratking thing last year?
it's meme anon, I'm the only one who knows it's you when you post. I've been here too long, please kill me

[Anonymous No.12858992]

>>12853883
I don't think trilogies are bad provided that 1) the author isn't just mindlessly creating one because it's the standard, and 2) they actually conceive their story as a trilogy from the start, not the "write the first book as a test, write two more if it takes off" shit that some authors do.
They have a place, but oftentimes they're created more by market demand rather than by what the story requires.

[Anonymous No.12859000]

>>12858917
hoho, you have yet to see Faile's final form, so hold the hasty judgements but yeah Elayne is also up there. So is Cadsuane, but you might like her if you're one of those weird mommyfags that have infested this general off late.

[Anonymous No.12859015]

>>12859000
>of late
We here for ages. You're just the newfag.

[Anonymous No.12859066]

>>12858896
Whoah shit an image of some nobody, you sure owned me

[Anonymous No.12859083]

>>12859066
>>>/lgbt/

[Anonymous No.12859088]

>>12855295
Still better than r/fantasy where you can only talk about "woke" fantasy from the 2010s

[Anonymous No.12859099]

>>12859083
>>>/kys/

[Anonymous No.12859113]

>>12859066
It's a crybaby leftshit; just like you. :3

[Anonymous No.12859131]

>complaining about leftists on /lit/ of all places

[Anonymous No.12859143]

>>12859131
>thinking /sffg/ has anything to do with /outerlit/
lol hello, newfag.

[Anonymous No.12859158]

>>12854405
You probably just aren't getting it. I suggest drop.

[Anonymous No.12859160]

>>12855103
For me, editing is the fun part. We should form Voltron.

[Anonymous No.12859174]

>>12859131
It's literally one faggot, but everyone takes the bait

[Anonymous No.12859188]

>>12859174
There was no bait, you little baby bitch lol

[Anonymous No.12859192]

>>12858987
hey memeanon. long time no see.

yeah, I was tinkering with it pretty recently. I think I finally have a plot more or less finalized that has almost everything I want included at this point its more about silencing my nagging autism long enough to write the damn thing.

oddly enough, its looking pretty sparse on food porn, but if the hunger games could manage it I should be able to as well. after all, im already ripping off the underland chronicles, might as well just make my goal beating Suzanne Collins at her own game

[Anonymous No.12859227]

THREAD SLAVE!

[Anonymous No.12859238]

>>12859227
fuck you, don't rush me.

>>12859235
>>12859235
>>12859235
>>12859235
>>12859235

[Anonymous No.12860400]

>>12854129
>Nynaeve tugged her braid
>Egwene smoothed her skirt