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[Anonymous No.12846159]

Modern man has far too much free time on his hands. How can anyone expect us to do good with so much free time? With every fiber of my being i just want to rot and play world of warcraft and eat subway all day just to pass time a little quicker and hell, make it more enjoyable.

I think amongt everything, the cause and the outlier of this degenerate society is because of mans boredom. I can’t be the only one staring at the floors, counting tiles, watching dust gather.

[Anonymous No.12846163]

>>12846159
Read Industrial Society and It's Future

[Anonymous No.12846169]

>>12846163
isn’t that an incel manifesto

[Anonymous No.12846170]

>>12846163
Its of course

[Anonymous No.12846176]

>>12846169
Kaczynski was volcel, and it's not really about roasties anyway. It's about technology and why people are so unhappy in industrial society.

Basically you're unhappy because you're a slave.

[Anonymous No.12846181]

>>12846159
I felt (and continue to occasionally feel) something similar.
Trick is:
Get outside, go on hikes
Do your homework/whatever is expected of you at your job
Knock out any chores you need to at home
If you can (I cannot yet but this is the plan):
Permaculture
Pets
Bicycling
Reading

[Anonymous No.12846182]

>>12846176
h-how did you know

[Anonymous No.12846200]

>>12846182
Because *everyone* in industrial society is a slave to technology and capital. There is no free person except the independent farmer or a hunter living on a homestead in the woods, and even they are subject to interference through property taxes. You are NOT free.

[Anonymous No.12846211]

>>12846200
*twitching nervously*

[Anonymous No.12846221]

>>12846159
why don't you faggots understand that meaninglessness and boredom are an essential of human nature? people don't have free time. they work 8 hours a day and commute for another 2 and get home with no energy to do anything. it's you who has free time you fat fuck neet. understand that if the argument was the opposite, if people had even more strict routines, then it would be "how can we be happy if we can't even live life? like i gotta work 15 hours a day man... this isn't fair"

[Anonymous No.12846229]

>>12846221
Except that’s wrong you retard. Throughout 99.9% of his history, man has worked only a few hours a day for his food and relaxed the rest of the day. Working 8-10+ hours a day is an abberation and is destroying us.

[Anonymous No.12846234]

>>12846159
That's funny because right now I'm reading and grading essays on the following question: 'does happiness lie in rest?'
Anyway there's one thing that doesn't sound convincing in what you say - do you assume that it is natural to spend your free time in degenerate things like vidyas? What seems to be actually responsible for boredom is a bad or perverted use of your free will, not free time in itself.
What is true is that we're not able to find happiness in work (and I dunno if it has ever been the case), but whatever, we should be able to get away from boredom by loving what makes us better. And that's not vidyas.

[Anonymous No.12846235]

>>12846200
>except
There is no exception. The farmer can farm ONLY because the technological system has deemed his soil too poor to be mined, turned into a mall, or an appartment block. Freedom and technology are opposite vectors. There is nothing that will reconcile both as they are fundamentally incompatible.

Every single inch of the planet has seen its fate decided by industrialization.

[Anonymous No.12846236]

>>12846221
Do not confuse idle time with free time, lit bro. Me standing in mcdonalds at the cash register for 6 hour shift is essentially boredom and free time. Nothing is interactive anymore.
>be me
>wake up at 7
>turn on autopilot
>go to work, socialize, maybe even exercise
>come home, turn off autopilot
>”where did the fucking time go, i’m bored”
>tie noose and set up chair
>F

[Anonymous No.12846243]

>>12846159
You literally need to find a way to make enough money to buy a homestead somewhere far away from this whole mess.
I would honestly be down for /lit/ all deciding to do this in the same zip code and taking over some little town as our own haven of quiet reading and personal industry, trading various foods at a weekly farmer's market, meeting in church for discussion of philosophy, and congregating at a local pub once or twice a week for music, jokes, conversation, and drinks. We could all bring out own skills to this community and build something great. I'm in med school and plan on going primary care with OB so I can become the pillar of some small town somewhere. I'm eager to serve and contribute but I dread being immersed and surrounded in small town ignorance and the generally elderly population. But if we could all figure some place to go as our haven away from modernity that would be sick.
Maybe we could select some small town with a community college (so teachers can have jobs and our kids don't have to deal with shitty schools) and cheap land somewhere and start flooding it.

[Anonymous No.12846256]

>>12846236
this is nothing new you absolute retard. literally all work ever was boring
>be farmer in 9th century france
>plant food, watch grass grow
>talk with your friend you see every day about the same things that happen every day with about the same people you see every day and petty village politics
>praise the lord
>die of infection because you've cut yourself trying to climb a tree
there's only one way out of the inherent meaninglessness of the human nature. it's human nature 101 to be always wanting something, being unhappy with its current state. when you stop being underage you'll understand this

[Anonymous No.12846263]

>>12846243
As I'm reading my post I'm realizing what a clusterfuck gathering all the anons together in the same place would be, and how many antisocial dipshits there are in this community.
I take it back, but my desire for a rural town full of people around my age who value education and culture while rejecting cosmopolitan values and urban life remains.

[Anonymous No.12846288]

>>12846181
This. Find healthy things to fill up your time, but recognize that nothing will ever truly fill the void we feel in modern life.

[Anonymous No.12846314]

>>12846256
>put in actual work to grow your food and see your work pay off after time
>modern day - do mindless tasks on a computer all day and it means nothing - go home and watch netflix

[Anonymous No.12846555]

>>12846314
Anon, I know you dont want to hear this, but this>>12846256 anon is absolutely correct. That is one of Nietzsche's main points: no matter what you do, be it technology or healthcare advancement, man will always be trapped in this same condition of tragedy. The key is to accept it and move on, like this guy is saying. The longer you resist, the longer you are going to be delaying maturity. But whatever, it is your life. Fuck off to hell if you want

[Anonymous No.12846557]

>>12846176
>Kaczynski was volcel,

lmao no he wasn't.

[Anonymous No.12846564]

>>12846235
>zoning laws and civic engineering are tools of oppression!

lmao something tells me you're not as smart as you think you are

[Anonymous No.12846575]

>>12846314
> somehow doing things because your biological needs is more worthy than doing something out of sheer pleasure

I bet you work in the field all day instead of shitposting on a slovakian basket-weaving forum

[Anonymous No.12846587]

REMOVE WORK HOUR LAWS
BAN UNIONS
KILL UNION LEADERS
MAIM THEIR CHILDREN
GIVE MAN MEANING

[Anonymous No.12846732]

>>12846575
>>12846555
Doing things for yourself is the nature of happiness you fucking retards. Nietzche gave himself syphillis as some sort of protest and was chronically unhappy, do you really take his own pathological shortcomings as truth? If so you're a fucking fool. Medieval peasants spent a third of the year feasting and making merry, and you the modern man are lucky if your wageslaver allows you a day off to attend a friend's birthday.

[Anonymous No.12846740]

>>12846243
>>12846263
I've thought about this as well. No more than 150 people, about 120 males and 130 females. Maybe focusing on Art and allowing only +120 iq individuals to enter. Also establishing different periods to focus on certain areas, like for example a couple of months where everyone discusses russian literature, another in whic everyone dedicates to music, or maths, or philosophy, etc. Those who are not interested in those topics would choose to work on the land or whatever is necesary until that period ends. The best thing is that you can easily pull this off with maybe 10 acres or less(not that expensive). It also would help the fact that most people that are into the humanities are not focused on money but art and status, so the whole atmosphere would be really nice.

[Anonymous No.12846771]

>>12846732
> le happy life of a medieval peasant

[Anonymous No.12846801]

>>12846732
N had a brain tumor

[Anonymous No.12846812]

>>12846771
>can't refute my point

[Anonymous No.12846826]

>>12846740
This is pure utopian thinking and it's very naive and ingenuous. I understand where you're coming from - believe me, I hate this shit too.

[Anonymous No.12846836]

>>12846771
Except peasants served a lord. I want to be a lordless peasant. Plus, life isn't about happiness anyway, so your point is entirely bogus.

[Anonymous No.12846848]

>>12846740
And then the first three days are over, cliques form and the intrigues begin.

[Anonymous No.12846862]

>>12846826
I know it's utopian, but I think the trick is to not invent anything and try to imitate what's already worked and avoiding over complicated systems. It probably wouldn't work, but only time would be lost trying. Besides, aren't most monasteries similar to this but without the focus on art and women?

[Anonymous No.12846941]

>>12846176
>Basically you're unhappy because you're a slave.
If that's Kaczynski's message, then I'm glad I didn't waste time reading him. No slave is unhappy simply for being a slave. A slave is only unhappy when they've been wrongly convinced that they deserve to be something other than a slave, that being a slave is somehow a bad thing. Do you unironically support equality between men and women too? Might as well, if you support equality between masters and slaves.

[Anonymous No.12846967]

>>12846732
I wish I had friends.
But gosh, it's sure great to have a job and a regular paycheck (with benefits, omg!) and come home and drink to forget and save only enough money to pay the bills and debts.
Isn't wage slavery grand?

[Anonymous No.12846970]

>>12846941
wew lass

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oEULhtSEDhe No.12846971]

>>12846159
Shit diagnosis. Completely wrong

[Anonymous No.12846979]

>>12846159
We'll probably waste our time together on Classic WoW, am I right?

[Anonymous No.12846980]

>>12846229
Agree. You need capital to have enough free time to enjoy life, it’s awful and is forcing me to devote the first 25 years of my life to setting up an okay career

[Anonymous No.12846994]

>>12846740
That's way too formal and rule-based for me, and exactly the reason I followed up with >>12846263

[Anonymous No.12846995]

I usually spend half of the year working part time and playing World of Warcraft in my free time.
In the other half of the year I quit my job and play full World of Warcraft full time while living on welfare.

[Anonymous No.12846999]

>>12846229
>>12846980
You guys should be blaming the people who openly shared with you their luxurious lives rather than the fact that you need to work to get by. You aren't equal to those people, but you've convinced yourselves that you are. This is the problem.

[Anonymous No.12847019]

>>12846812
What's the point in refuting such a stupid point? If anyone implies that the lives of medieval peasats were happy because they worked the land as feudal slaves, they must be mentally challenged

[Anonymous No.12847042]

>>12846163
But isn't one of Teddy's points that hunter-gatherers had even more free time than us? Sounds like OP just wants someone to force him to be a good person, like some sort of slavery where the master is primarily concerned with the slave's personal development rather than his own profit.

[Anonymous No.12847080]

>>12847019
That’s a cringe from me. Go back to serving technology and capital, cuck.

[Anonymous No.12847325]

>>12847080
> serving technology is worse than doing exactly the same but with nature

okay bud

[Anonymous No.12847799]

>>12847325
It is when you're low IQ like him.

[Anonymous No.12847946]

>>12846740
In my ideal society there would be more females than men.

[Anonymous No.12847951]

>>12846243
I don't know how feasible such a community would be in this current year, but I plan on moving to the Northwest and meeting some liked minded people to at least try.

[Anonymous No.12847953]

>>12847325
>>12847799
It’s amazing how you guys enjoy your slavery. Nature is a benevolent Lord compared to the overseer that is modernity. In addition you’re doing irreparable harm to the planet, ensuring the future death of the human race and your place in history as the shittiest, most selfish society of all time.

[Anonymous No.12847959]

>>12847951
Get a quirky documentary team to fund you.

[Anonymous No.12848112]

>>12846234
Ugh you sound like a professor that constantly espouses "life has meaning, killing yourself is bad"

[Anonymous No.12848117]

>>12846159
>Modern man has far too much free time on his hands
Not everyone is a NEET like you

[Anonymous No.12848131]

>>12846314
lmao you wouldn't handle working in a farm for 10 minutes.

[Anonymous No.12848265]

>>12846159
Actually leisure is the essence of high culture. Modern man actually has too little time on his hands, and what time he does have he fills with low effort distractions

[Anonymous No.12848694]

>>12846159
we don't have free time what we have is an almost non-existing morality that makes us think stupid things which in other time wouldn't be discussed. That's why you think we have more "leisure" time but in reality, rewarding activities are becoming less and less interesting thanks to this change of values and morality. people are more cynic and ironic and they just can't enjoy the simple things anymore because deep down they know they aren't capable of such of thing so it's better to mock or make fun of something to hide that fear.

[Anonymous No.12848703]

>>12847953
>Nature is a benevolent Lord
But nature gave birth to modernity. Also, most people pre-medicine wouldn't have agreed to that sentiment, I'm sure.