Fact: Reading fiction is no better than playing videogames

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Anonymous Mon Mar 25 18:48:02 2019 No.12825554 [Reply] [Original]

Fact: Reading fiction is no better than playing videogames

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 25 18:51:58 2019 No.12825581 >>12825554 Based and redpilled, honestly. If I ask someone what their favorite book is and they tell me its LOTR or some shit, I immediately see them as intellectually inferior.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 25 18:52:40 2019 No.12825585 >>12825554 Some videogames are ok though

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 25 18:54:12 2019 No.12825591 Imagine being cursed with such brutal autism as to make these threads multiple times every day because someone called you a pleb

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 25 18:58:34 2019 No.12825610 >>12825554 Fiction: Chad is kingly, not the instrument a knight-bot is.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 25 19:02:34 2019 No.12825633 >>12825581 agreed. it's a fact that anyone is hardcore obsessed with LOTR or harry potter books are fucking booktards.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 25 19:03:41 2019 No.12825639 All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy

Anonymous Mon Mar 25 19:04:17 2019 No.12825640

There is nothing to be gained from fiction. It is not based in our reality and therefore none of the lessons or themes it explores can be properly applied to real life, as fiction takes place in made up dream worlds where everything is built according to the author's biases about reality. There is no real difference between Blood Meridian, Twilight, Harry Potter, etc. in terms of respectability.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 25 19:05:09 2019 No.12825647 >>12825591 This. Are you going to keep posting the same bullshit bait over and over again? \thread

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 25 19:05:26 2019 No.12825653 File: 657 KB, 750x794, PREPARE_YOURSELF.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12825633 What if I've read LOTR and enjoy them a lot, but also love Plato and Homer?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 25 19:07:08 2019 No.12825659 >>12825591 Whoever you discussed with must have good taste. I am OP and this is the first time I address this topic.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 25 19:08:09 2019 No.12825668 File: 31 KB, 645x476, Soy.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >I only read non-fiction

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 25 19:09:20 2019 No.12825675 File: 24 KB, 480x480, me.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12825633 the girl I worked with called me a foreigner because I didn't watch marvel movies or was a fanatic about harry potter.

Anonymous Mon Mar 25 19:10:51 2019 No.12825682

>>12825675
I immediately assume Harry Potter fans are British on the internet because it seems as though not many people really enjoyed them compared to the plethora of fanatic Potterheads in Britain who spam the internet with memes about a 20 year old book.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 25 19:12:14 2019 No.12825689 >>12825682 I'm in scandi

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 25 19:12:56 2019 No.12825694 >>12825682 Have you never met an american woman? My grandmother is almost 70 years old and watches every harry potter marathon the cable TV networks have ever run and "finds something new each time :)))"

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 25 19:13:43 2019 No.12825698 >>12825689 What a strange world we live in.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 25 19:14:39 2019 No.12825704 File: 782 KB, 132x131, 1551396425038.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >"focuses on what is important because it is important" >Uhh I dunno science haha. You all believe in science right? Science, yeah, I'm pretty into uhh Einstein.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 25 19:15:50 2019 No.12825713 >>12825694 I live in America. I know 0 Potterheads. I haven't had a conversation in real life about Harry Potter since maybe 1 year after the last film came out and then it dropped from the plane of the earth since from my perspective.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 25 19:16:38 2019 No.12825717 >>12825704 >He desn't learn physics AND metaphyisics >He doesn't learn Genetics AND race-realism

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 25 19:17:37 2019 No.12825719 >>12825713 >avoiding the question this badly So you don't really know any women, k.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 25 19:19:37 2019 No.12825729 >>12825682 A week ago I matched with a landwhale on Tinder here in Spain and the first thing she says is the she is a huge freak of Harry Potter

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 25 19:21:25 2019 No.12825748 File: 53 KB, 500x378, darill.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12825675 >too much of an autist to pretend to sperg out about HP or Marvel to appease girls

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 25 19:22:26 2019 No.12825754 >>12825704 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nv44r3q6zgo I just felt like posting this because like halfway through the song they go "WE EQUALS MC SQUARED CAN YOU HEAR ME???"

Anonymous Mon Mar 25 19:24:52 2019 No.12825763
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>>12825719
I am a woman moron. I knew a few potterheads in the nerd circle at school but I wasn't part of their clique (I was part of the sporty kids) and eventually HP stopped being a part of my life entirely.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 25 19:25:09 2019 No.12825764 >>12825748 I'm not going to appease these morons by acting that I'm invested in the culture industry. Jesus christ that's pathetic dude.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 25 19:25:44 2019 No.12825766 >>12825763 L O N D O N

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 25 19:29:42 2019 No.12825786 >>12825581 The opposite here. I unironically feel sorry for people like you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 25 19:31:44 2019 No.12825789 >>12825763 >I AM a tranny you moron. I knew a few girls at school but I was in denial! L M A O O O O O O O

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 25 19:31:52 2019 No.12825790 >>12825764 You lose nothing if you do, fake it til you make it

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 25 19:36:50 2019 No.12825827 >>12825554 Still better than making incel power fantasy threads.

Anonymous Mon Mar 25 19:37:45 2019 No.12825834
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>>12825554
Bin ich ein verdammter Witz für dich?

Seriously though. The point of good fiction is to help people engage reality in a more meaningful way. Most fiction doesn't do this and is just dross to keep the sheeple entertained, infotainment like pop histoy, pop science and pop psychology are just as bad. Also some philosophy is just as bad as pleb fiction.

I think it depends on the message and meaning behind a text.

ITT: Should be about literary criticism. Instead retards arguing about wizards. Chanz gonna chan.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 25 19:54:40 2019 No.12825926 >>12825764 Based

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 25 20:02:45 2019 No.12825968 >>12825790 You lose INTEGRITY

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 25 20:10:32 2019 No.12825997 >>12825554 As someone who reads fantasy a lot, what would you recommend in the vein of non-fiction?

Anonymous Mon Mar 25 20:11:33 2019 No.12826004
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Aristotle was right about natural slaves, these people are only here to consume and to be taken advantage of through capital accumulation and their desire to be on the right side of figurative history. Philanthropy is used as a form of disguise for economical expansion which these people celebrate, they don't see 9/11 as a rebellion against the cultural and economical expansion of Capital but instead just as something that's ultimately on the wrong side. When I speak with them they see nothing wrong with some form of connected capitalism but most importantly 'democracy' all across the world because they've been conditioned to think it is right and thus view mass immigration into the system as something good. At the same time they speak about the dangers of climate change they also talk about the importance of open borders, the two are directly connected.
>shut up you edgy zoomer
I added a skull image for you to make it easier for you to dismiss this, fuck you.
I see people complain about the usage of plastic bags, when they dismiss corporations and other large nations polluting so much or the fact that they're buying something that destroyed far more than a fucking plastic bag. This is not going to help anything, going to Africa to give a child a fucking plastic bottle of water, it's just a capital bottle of self gratification to make you feel like you're, again, on the right side. You know why Bill Gates helps Africa? Because of economical expansion and more to destroy and consume.
Democracy and capitalism truly have been a disaster to the human race. People work, and then they go home to consume the culture industry until they've died. They've been turned into flesh batteries of mass consumption and global destruction of both our nature and all types.
At this point we'll turn into a singularity of planet universal destruction and consumption.
I'm not going to deal with these fucking people and no, I'm not talking about fiction readers. I read fiction from time to time too. I'm talking about escapists and consumers, who just want to feel good, and happy. Because that's what life is about apparently. Fuck you, because it is true but you are not happy. In personal truth and connection with other true people and the world you are happy. You're not happy by surrounding yourself in consumable Capitalistic media. And then these fucking conservatives who considers them above that while they preach the consumable destruction fo capitalism because 'it just works' It's not working, it has failed but is kept alive like a controlled puppet by the 'government', capitalism has collapsed but that's just ignored. Sure let's do that. You want to know our future? Children, made into trannies, watching people make extremely happy expressions on large 8k monitors. What the fuck, is there to do. Reactionaries will just move back, and the system will come to be again. So there needs to be something that kills the system and creates something new.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 25 20:14:15 2019 No.12826025 >>12825997 Actual medieval history, war battles, conquest and Politics. Or the Conquest of the New World, with the clash between the different civilizations. Choose whatever country you want.

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>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 25 20:16:45 2019 No.12826042 >>12826025 Oh well I already am into that stuff lmao

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 25 20:16:55 2019 No.12826043 >>12825554 You guys do realize that they are not mutually exclusive right?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 25 20:17:47 2019 No.12826050 >>12826031 I was being sarcastically serious, but meant what I wrote.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 25 20:18:36 2019 No.12826053 The English in your shitty picture is so FUCKING BAD I cannot believe it was created by someone who's in any way well versed in literature, doesn't even matter if it's fiction or not.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 25 20:20:06 2019 No.12826064 >>12826053 English is my 4th language, any correction is welcome.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 25 20:22:44 2019 No.12826079 >>12825554 >all those shitty kikey books >bases his beliefs in science What a retard.

Anonymous Mon Mar 25 20:24:17 2019 No.12826086

>>12825554
You utilitarian non-fiction consumers with your delusions of "self-improvement" and historical agency are just as escapist as people who binge Harry Potter. The line between fiction and non-fiction isn't as clear cut as some people think. If you can't see the value of fiction you won't get anything meaningful out of non-fiction, and vice versa.

Anonymous Mon Mar 25 20:25:33 2019 No.12826096

>>12826064
... And is there anything more insufferable than this excuse? I don't give a shit, it's the most important language in the world and it's the language of this board, if you're gonna participate then fucking learn it.
Pro tip: your prepositions and capitalization are a fucking joke. Review the rules for these subjects.
You can trust me, apparently since it's only my 3rd language that makes all the difference you dumbass.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 25 20:30:21 2019 No.12826115 >>12826096 Thank you based grammar-nazi. I didn't really care about capitalization when doing it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 25 20:31:49 2019 No.12826122 >>12826064 He’s kind of being an asshole but standing IN the shoulders of giants kind of made me cringe

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 25 20:31:56 2019 No.12826123 >>12826096 Calm down you spastic. If you've also learned foreign languages you can at least sympathize with the guy

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 25 20:32:55 2019 No.12826130 >>12825968 to say that you "like" a transient artifice? No you don't, integrity is cultivated by what you do, not by what you like/don't like

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 25 20:50:08 2019 No.12826228 >>12825585 yea, like Pong and Galaga. back when video games were actually good.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 25 20:59:29 2019 No.12826263 >>12825834 >I just read the OP and made an assumption Retard

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 25 21:00:45 2019 No.12826269 >>12826228 Drakengard 3 and Nier

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 25 21:26:35 2019 No.12826391 >>12825554 >>12825581 >>12825633 you faggots are not completely wrong, though some fiction here and there does not hurt, since there are some great stories and works of poetry out there

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 25 22:06:46 2019 No.12826603 >>12825668 That guy has probably only read Game of Thrones and Harry Potter

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 25 22:09:31 2019 No.12826611 >>12825554 >The republic >Non-fiction The republic exists between the lines of fiction and non-fiction.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 25 22:10:51 2019 No.12826614 I'm a huge fan of video games as a kind of cathartic activity but I can't think of too many instances that I found as meaningful as books.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 00:36:51 2019 No.12827275 >>12826004 Here here. Truly "the wasteland grows", Nietzsche was not wrong about "the last man". We are they. We do need something new, but i think we might be too fucked already, in which case we've got what we deserve.

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>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 01:08:20 2019 No.12827381 rec me non fiction books that will teach me some skills or something useful

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Anonymous Tue Mar 26 01:50:59 2019 No.12827496

>>12826004
>it's not postmodern neomarxism, Pete. It's managerial liberalism, mass media driven information overload and the resulting culture of Narcissism. If anything, you should be blaming Rawls instead of Foucault. Peterson manages to 'own' leftists only because he is defending middle class commonsense against the increasingly intrusive psychopolitical demands of the managerial globohomo leviathan. Try reading vox, the guardian or the nyt, grates like nails on chalkboard precisely because they are asking you to adopt a very specific kind of mentality that's full of internal contradictions. On one side, it's institutional realism, on the other, it's a mangled form of social constructionism. shrill moralism and the journalistic royal We deployed for the sake of an ethics of mandatory individualistic hedonism. All the traditional criteria of 'merit' thrown out the window for a fixation on percentages and 'representation', and yet they still expect the deference accorded to traditional 'merit'- based institutions.

>'identity politics' has been embraced by major corporations precisely because it's an effective instrument of post fordist human terrain management. Doesn't prevent Jeff Bezos from becoming the wealthiest man in human history. See Deleuze and Foucault on the society of control vs disciplinary societies and Lasch inspired paleocons such as Paul Gottfried and Sam T. Francis on the rise of managerial power.It is in the interest of managerial therapeutic state to define you as a victim who must be granted self esteem by the benevolent external agency of the system. Internet leftists are sadomasochists who use the heavily formalised discourse of social justice to inflict narcissistic injuries upon each other. Meanwhile, the chuds on the right are clinging to a semblance of an identity,their 'classical liberalism' has little to do with 'the enlightenment' it is an ersatz ego defense mechanism, a refusal to be assimilated into the 'woke' hivemind.

>The postmodern big Other is a Symbolic Order stripped of its symbolization of itself; not posing as God or History, it openly announces itself as a social construct - but this ostensible demystification doesn't impede its functioning, for it has never functioned more effectively

Anonymous Tue Mar 26 04:13:43 2019 No.12827833
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>>12826269
>jap memes
Japs don't know how to write or present a story and characters. I've never seen them to do it properly in any media. At best it has some 'cool' ideas and setting for manchildren to equate with the overall being good.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 04:15:16 2019 No.12827834 >>12825748 >>12825790 >>12826130 Stop trying to rationalise your cuckoldry and lack of character.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 04:19:04 2019 No.12827840 >>12826004 The answer to this is the destruction of civilisation, literacy, technology, and above all else the world economy.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 04:19:52 2019 No.12827842 >>12825554 >writes witty essay Fucking bugmen

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 04:23:03 2019 No.12827846 File: 33 KB, 336x382, Mister-Rogers-F-Plus.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12826004 don't put climate change believers into the same boat as mass immigration supporters

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 04:23:42 2019 No.12827848 >>12825763 >(I was part of the sporty kids ayy and now you are stuck here how does it feel roastie

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 04:25:18 2019 No.12827851 >>12825554 based redpilled Reading fiction is ok but once in a while.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 04:26:10 2019 No.12827852 >>12825763 >rags

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 04:31:59 2019 No.12827866 >>12826004 based and tedpilled

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 04:34:21 2019 No.12827874 File: 21 KB, 300x300, 2729805.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Imagine being so insecure you need to feel superior to others by judging what they read. Judging how they spend their time in general, really.

Anonymous Tue Mar 26 04:43:13 2019 No.12827887
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It depends. If you read classic fiction it is fine, for example the Dubliners, Lolita, Metamorphosis, War and Peace etc.

If you read fiction like Harry Plebboter, Lord of the Cucks, Twillite, and other shit you deserve capital punishment.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 04:43:21 2019 No.12827889 >>12827866 >tedpilled Daily reminder that uncle ted's whole critique of modern world was ultimately reducible to "i'm not happy".

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 04:45:44 2019 No.12827894 >>12827887 >classic fiction >three are XX century, one is XIX century Next you gonna complain that modern music is soulless compared to Linking Park.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 04:48:50 2019 No.12827903 >>12827894 All of them are considered classics, despite their age.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 04:50:23 2019 No.12827906 >>12827903 Of course they are. They are even more classic than digimon cartoon.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 04:54:01 2019 No.12827913 >>12827906 So you mean to tell me the Dubliners are in the same category with Percy Cuckson?

>>	Anti-/lit/ !N4bnZoKwfU Tue Mar 26 04:57:55 2019 No.12827925 Of course its not better, but it is more fun. Unless youre some kind of zoomer moron who finds clicky buttons exciting.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 04:59:23 2019 No.12827927 >>12827913 Of course not, it's an absolute classic that everyone should read. Wait, which one were you into?

Anonymous Tue Mar 26 05:03:30 2019 No.12827939

>>12827927
This, modern consumerist fiction is crap, older stuff-classic stuff- need to be read, not for escapism, but to widthen your horizons, learn vocabulary, understand great prose, learn the history of humanities, and be more familiar with high culture.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 05:05:24 2019 No.12827945 >>12827939 >me smarty-pants >me no understand two sentence long post.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 05:08:51 2019 No.12827955 >>12827945 My point is still not invalid, imbecile. Its not my fault you can't write correctly.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 05:10:03 2019 No.12827959 >>12827955 >me brain big >me talk smarty words

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 05:11:04 2019 No.12827962 >>12827496 based and langpilled

Anonymous Tue Mar 26 05:25:13 2019 No.12828008
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>So what you do for fun?
>Why yes girl I read from my mentor uncle Adolf of the Jewish conspiracy making you women into whores breeding with dirty Africans, bet you didn't even read Nietzsche to unleash your inner Ubermensch and find the true meaning of life.
>bye
>book recs for suicidal people /lit/?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 07:21:04 2019 No.12828373 File: 53 KB, 749x774, 1551420618288.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] The true chad is the one who reads fiction and comes out with the true understanding of magic. Casting spells left and right.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 07:22:56 2019 No.12828377 Lets say Crime and Punishment wasn't a fictional product of imagination but was based on a real, historically documented event. Would it in any way improve it?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 07:24:28 2019 No.12828379 >>12825554 >Every new book is a new weapon added to his arsenal in the battle towards success That's cute. What are you, 19? Success is a spook.

Anonymous Tue Mar 26 07:33:44 2019 No.12828407
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Good art accomplishes what the chad and beta do at the same time. Makes you think and makes you feel.

Nietzsche expanded on this in his theory of aesthetics.

You must synthesize Apollo and Dionysus

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 07:41:34 2019 No.12828438 >>12828377 Yes, infinitely

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 07:45:01 2019 No.12828448 >>12825554 >The Selfish Gene FUCK YOU

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 07:59:36 2019 No.12828494 >>12828438 Care to elaborate?

Anonymous Tue Mar 26 08:35:03 2019 No.12828603
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>>12828494
I'll offer a general answer for why non-fiction is always better than fiction.

The mind is a product of the nervous system, which evolved to help our organism interact with the world, receiving sensory information, analyzing it and then reacting in the world. Reactions that fit the real world survive more and in better condition than those based on deception and hallucinations.

Any information about the real world sculpts your worldview closer to the truth, which will help you when interacting with life, giving you a competitive advantage over those who indulge in conscious deviations.

Any information that is surely false, even if artistically, will distort the search for truth, subconsciously making your mind sub-optimal at interpreting real events and when interacting with them, impacting your performance and adaptation.

Artistic fiction has had evolutionary advantages in the past. Social cohesion for example, because it puts everyone under the same cultural norms, preventing internal conflict and facilitating group cooperation.
Another advantage was that psychological escapism helped enduring the hardships of life, at least enough to help you not deteriorate and keep reproducing some more.

In today's world though (thanks to the intellectual debates and scientific progress mostly) we have reached a level of development that renders the uses of fiction obsolete. We have strong enough institutions to keep social cohesion regardless of our beliefs, we have advanced enough medicine to survive adversity and not require psychological escapism from pain.

Fiction, therefore, is now more disadvantageous than advantageous. It is now vestigial. It is analogous to our craving of chocolate and sweets, which we evolved as a way to find natural sugar in fruits, but these sugar cravings are no longer needed in the modern world because we have our supplies well guaranteed by the market.

A man abandoning fiction to read non-fiction is like a fat guy abandoning sweet lies and hitting the gym. And of course the fat guy will feel attacked when he is told to abandon sweets for the first time, especially if everyone around him eats them too. But remember, the purpose of your nervous system, and consciousness, is to help you see the world as it is so you can react to it appropriately.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 08:44:19 2019 No.12828632 >>12827846 I didn't, I believe in climate change. I'm saying that a bunch of people aren't genuine environmentalists because they are for mass immigration. Proving that their opinions only have to do with being falsely good. It doesn't make any sense.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 09:00:28 2019 No.12828692 >>12826004 Bacceleration and Tedpilled.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 09:01:31 2019 No.12828695 >>12827833 a wild Metal Gear Solid 2 appears

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>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 09:03:53 2019 No.12828705 >>12825554 Jesus, pop sci meme books are fiction as well. They don’t even have the exploitation of psychology and feeling of real literature. If you want to feel superior you should read actual academic history.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 09:07:11 2019 No.12828716 File: 51 KB, 221x246, 1551541262833.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12825554 >non-fiction >On the Origin of Species >Relativity

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 09:07:58 2019 No.12828720 >>12828705 >he doesn't travel back in time to write his own documents

Anonymous Tue Mar 26 09:08:02 2019 No.12828721

>>12828603
"The world as it is" is a product of human consciousness, or, rather, what we can work with, interact with, and perceive are inseperable from this. A piece of fiction and a piece of non-fiction can have the same degrees of separation from base, shared "reality", therefore they can both be potentially useful in equal measure.

A man's biography or even his journals may both be less indicative of his mind's perception than his prose. His mind's perception (and everone else's) is his reality. If there were no other conscious perceiver that would be all there is of his reallity.

Fiction vs. Non-fiction isn't a real debate. Informative literature vs. Uninformative literature is, and fiction can inform as well as, and in some cases better than, non-fiction.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 09:08:14 2019 No.12828723 >>12828603 >assuming that non-fiction is ever true >assuming that your experience is true >more assumptions brainlet argument

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 09:13:06 2019 No.12828737 >>12828721 >If there were no other conscious perceiver that would be all there is of his reallity. As in his own perception. Phoneposting.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 09:14:17 2019 No.12828740 >>12828603 >thanks to the intellectual debates and scientific progress mostly, we have reached a level of development that renders the uses of fiction obsolete Based STEMtard, burn down all museums now!

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 09:18:08 2019 No.12828751 I read fiction like dosto, proust or hesse because i relate to these works more than theoretical non-fiction.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 09:21:14 2019 No.12828763 >>12828751 >X is good because the characters are relatable Pleb

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 09:22:47 2019 No.12828769 >>12828603 This is your brain on positivism

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 09:25:46 2019 No.12828778 >>12828763 I meant not the author characters but fiction itself

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 09:27:40 2019 No.12828783 File: 120 KB, 582x625, 1533380090144.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] ITT: brainlet bugmen who rush into extreme. >they live in extreme but still consider themselves to be smarter than others

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 09:30:51 2019 No.12828797 >>12827913 Both are in the book category of fiction.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 09:37:31 2019 No.12828815 >>12826611 All philosophy is non-fiction, regardless of if it’s describing made up characters within it or not

Anonymous Tue Mar 26 09:44:19 2019 No.12828833

>>12828603
>reductionist to the extent of Mary's Room approach to life

Any time you have to go to the cellular level to make a point such as this, you've gone too far. All it signals to me is your inability to deal with the information proximal to the issue.

>>12828721

Also what this guy said.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 09:55:54 2019 No.12828859 >>12825748 >appeasing women Anon, please.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 10:00:15 2019 No.12828875 >>12826130 >integrity is cultivated by what you do Exactly, a great example would be telling the truth.

Anonymous Tue Mar 26 10:01:29 2019 No.12828880

>>12825554
What if we are into fiction but not into LOTR or Harry Potter?

FFS I really get annoyed with these literature nerds who keep making LOTR and Harry Potter references. Like I enjoy the LOTR world and all that, but Christ. There's way more out there. Expand your horizons.

"I'm a Hufflepuff!" That's swell, I really don't care.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 10:08:36 2019 No.12828900 >>12827874 You're judging others for judging. You're exactly the same.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 10:13:53 2019 No.12828912 >>12828880 I never see anyone talk of HP other than 4chan and teen girls.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 10:15:37 2019 No.12828917 Imagine being so insecure you have to boast to the denizens of a Surinamese shadowpuppetry e-zine.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 10:16:24 2019 No.12828920 >>12828880 I'm Slytherin.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 10:21:58 2019 No.12828936 >>12825554 Does anyone have the Virgin/Chad of Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 10:52:37 2019 No.12829064 >not interpreting fiction and non-fiction through the lens of life idk wtf other people do

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 11:02:00 2019 No.12829103 >>12828603 I wasted energy clicking on the reply button just to tell you that you're a pseudo-intellectual retard.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 11:13:46 2019 No.12829144 >>12828912 Most people I know obsessed with HP are in their late 20's and really can't help but relate it to everything.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 11:15:45 2019 No.12829152 >>12826004 People will reply "based and redpilled" to this after vaguely skimming it and seeing something they agree with

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 11:44:38 2019 No.12829278 >>12826004 >So there needs to be something that kills the system and creates something new. Whenever people kill a system it's usually replaced with another, just as shitty or worse, system. Why not attempt to just make the system better?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 11:48:53 2019 No.12829301 >>12825640 You're gonna nees a bigger bait.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 11:49:55 2019 No.12829306 >>12825554 t. bugman Enjoy your Neil DeGrasse-Tayson book.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 11:52:00 2019 No.12829319 >>12829278 the system has literally never been killed, it only transforms

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 11:56:40 2019 No.12829355 >>12829152 I came to my conclusion after reading Fisher

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 11:58:45 2019 No.12829364 File: 693 KB, 1245x1600, fb0fa7bfd447dcb16c2db5b8288d95749508ef50138f80a4181b3be9b2c15134.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12825554 But there's no difference between the two...

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 12:28:54 2019 No.12829490 >>12827894 2666 Lincoln in the Bardo Atonement

Anonymous Tue Mar 26 12:42:09 2019 No.12829560
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Anyone have a self-help chart, or some legit recommendations? I want to take a break from frog literature. It's been a long time since I felt so good and I'd like to capitalize on that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 13:02:40 2019 No.12829675 I enjoy both and I'm real picky about it. Great fiction at bare minimum will help you have empathy for your fellow man. It also spotlights some of life's biggest questions as it explores them. Not to mention great fiction is on its own great art.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 13:18:59 2019 No.12829755 File: 12 KB, 191x293, Can Life Prevail.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12826004 A genuinely good post, well done

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 13:24:12 2019 No.12829778 >>12829560 Books dont offer self-help except different viewpoint. I doubt that there exists life changing book.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 14:09:21 2019 No.12829987 >>12829778 I was talking about stuff with practicle excercises and applicable advice. Not the usual pep-talky fluff.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 14:11:31 2019 No.12829994 >>12829987 You sound like the kind of guy that requires hands on instruction if you catch my drift.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 14:14:12 2019 No.12830006 >>12825554 >plato >marx >nonfiction

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 15:12:28 2019 No.12830274 >>12827275 >Here here. woila

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 16:05:33 2019 No.12830567 >>12828603 110 IQ post >>12828721 130 IQ post

Anonymous Tue Mar 26 16:17:28 2019 No.12830624

>>12826603
The normie views a dreamworld not through the lens of the self,but through the collective,thus draining all joy from the endeavor,he watches to be "Caught up" as if enjoying a work of art was a fucking race to complete an assignment

kinda like anon and being caught up on not being a newfag

Gas the conformists if you agree with me I'll hate you

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 16:18:23 2019 No.12830628 >>12830006 The terms ‘nonfiction’ and ‘fiction’ are not predicated upon you enjoying the work ... :3

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 16:27:28 2019 No.12830661 >>12830624 The material world is a dream, a veil of deception. Normies live their lives never understanding that there is another world (not to imply transcendence, or anything).

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 16:50:40 2019 No.12830764 >>12828695 MGS 2 is just an infinitely bastardized Evangelion

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 17:44:45 2019 No.12831016 >>12830764 Which is also Japanese

Anonymous Tue Mar 26 17:47:49 2019 No.12831035

Fact: You are retarded (and are probably addicted to videogames)
A good piece of fiction asks as many questions as nonfiction, they are merely asked indirectly. I agree they are less useful than nonfiction but to make this claim is to lack a brain. Also, if you are a writer, reading fiction can give ideas and elements of prose to be used in your own writing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 18:09:37 2019 No.12831155 >>12826228 i hate this website

Anonymous Tue Mar 26 18:13:15 2019 No.12831174

>>12831016
I’m not anti Jap poster, I just think MGS 2 is incredibly disingenuous in comparison to Eva. Former tries to be intelligent and edgy whereas the latter was primarily therapy for the creator but ended up containing the creator’s entire life experience within 12 hours so that he could try to find reasons to not commit suicide. Ironically Kojima endorses articles calling MGS 2 ”the Ulysses of vidya” and whatnot whereas Anno actively puts down his own work and tells people that it’s not as good as they think it is, as a science fiction story. The strength of Eva is in how genuine it is as an extension of his own worldview, or a metaphor for reality. Its why when Shinji symbolically commits suicide in EoE with the destruction of his ego, we’re left in an empty theatre with the chairs forming a cross, forced to face the suffering in reality after the world we escaped into has destroyed itself. Meanwhile, MGS 2 is a delusionally escapist work even in the attempt of refuting it. After Raiden throws the dog tags away and has his talk, we’re told to leave the game and set forth in reality and seek our destiny, an extremely ambiguous claim. Eva on the other hand tells us that suffering is inevitable, that we escape because we’re afraid of other people, who inflict the greatest suffering that we experience, and that we must move beyond it. In essence, it makes us realize that our actions have been governed entirely based on our fear of other people. Then it goes into Hegelian ideas about how we can only understand ourselves in contrast with other people, that we must seek to understand other people while enduring the pain they inflict on us in order to understand ourselves to the point that we can see our purpose in life, at which point, we’ll have no reason to escape. Whereas Eva is forced into the reality of human contact, MGS 2 maintains escapism, first by focusing on conveying a science fiction story, before going on to lie to its fans about what reality is by inspiring solipsism. By advocating for one to seek their purpose while neglecting human contact, its fans are forced to turn inwards and ignore their reality of the Self, which is only perceived through human contact.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 18:14:06 2019 No.12831178 >>12825653 that's not possible anon, you can only be in one of two categories, patrician like op, or plebian non-faggot

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 18:16:30 2019 No.12831189 >>12825763 P O R T L A N D O R T L A N D

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 18:19:34 2019 No.12831198 >>12831174 Yeah but Shinji is a pussy xd

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 18:24:58 2019 No.12831221 >>12825554 Gonna let you in on a little secret: Everything you see, hear, feel, smell or taste is fiction. Just what your mind made up.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 18:30:38 2019 No.12831241 >>12831221 Pls read Berkeley

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 18:39:08 2019 No.12831268 >>12831198 Yea, no. He gets into Eva quite easily for someone who is supposed to be "a pussy". He also jumped into a volcano for a chick.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 19:00:08 2019 No.12831378 Is listening to music also a waste of time? Do you only listen to recordings of scientists or philosophers speaking?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 19:16:08 2019 No.12831458 >>12831268 But the religious stuff was there just to look cool, therefore the whole show is invalidated :^)

Anonymous Tue Mar 26 19:51:31 2019 No.12831627

>>12826004
Aristotle's natural slaves are incapable of deliberation and thus require a master, who is both physically strong (that he can stand straight) and is in full capacity to deliberate on the best for the polis in jus of virtue.
When I read it, I was skeptical about the validity of his claim, but now that you put things in perspective, more and more I respect the man. More than two-thousand years ago and a single mind could grasp so well the nature of man. Incredible.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 20:00:15 2019 No.12831675 >>12829778 There is, and it is called Meditations.

Anonymous Tue Mar 26 20:01:01 2019 No.12831678

Good fiction teaches you things that can't be quantified. With only nonfiction you can live life successfully, but utterly devoid of meaning. If all you want is to move from one hedonistic impulse to another materialistic indulgence without stopping to think of your overall reason for living your life or what kind of person you do and don't want to become, please, read only nonfiction. I hope reading yet another pop physics text really does enrich your daily life.
>>12825763
Also a woman. I like HP in the same way I like some sort of shitty but entertaining anime like Darling in the Franxx. It's not good, it might pretend to be good, but ultimately it's a guilty pleasure rag. No need to pretend that fun things aren't fun just to try and be pretentious. Slytherin best house btw. Hufflepuffs are dweebs.
>>12828705
The difference between consumer mass market fiction and actual literature is the same difference between pop sci and actual academic works. OP is a pseud desperately trying to seem big brain while solely reading the nonfiction equivalent of Twilight.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 20:03:49 2019 No.12831692 >>12831035 >less useful Reading Crime and Punishment is far more useful than reading a volume on the history of Sweden from 1200-1600.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 20:05:03 2019 No.12831699 File: 25 KB, 600x418, pepesa.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12831678

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 20:07:59 2019 No.12831712 File: 74 KB, 500x750, anime-girl-blonde-hair-cute-dream-Favim.com-1041900.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12831699 Nice response. Did you forget your post with your frog image?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 20:13:51 2019 No.12831750 File: 13 KB, 261x274, n.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12831712

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 20:17:23 2019 No.12831758 >>12831268 I’m long Eva post anon and I agree, although it’s a funny joke to use around people obsessed with it, like me

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 20:26:42 2019 No.12831782 File: 132 KB, 640x960, 1455897304921.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I read fiction, but only as reference material for related non-fiction. Like reading the Iliad before Plato. Does that count?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 20:30:28 2019 No.12831803 File: 65 KB, 543x569, Lesbian_Heteronormative_Oppression_Feminist.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12825763 >I am a woman moron Trannies aren't women.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 20:32:03 2019 No.12831805 >>12831782 Saved

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 20:41:20 2019 No.12831837 >>12827834 pretty rich coming from someone who parrots arguments

Anonymous Tue Mar 26 22:09:57 2019 No.12832165
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>>12825554
>Muh nonfiction
>Vidya bad
>all fiction is YA trash
>"focuses on what's important", yet still spends his time shitposting on /lit/ for approval
>"abstract worldviews bad" -- probably didn't understand the energy unit in physics because energy is all abstract
>thinks reading mein kampf will make him less of an incel
>no concept culture since culture is portrayed and preserved through fiction; total social outcast because of it
>has been contemplating suicide since '82
>poems hurt his head
>Bland, dry, uninspired use of language throughout his body of work because nonfiction doesn't utilize the clever techniques crafted and nurtured by fiction writers. Usually talks with an ear-grating monotone voice too
>has to tell himself after every page that he's better than fiction readers or else he'll get bored and put it down

There, I fixed your meme.
For somebody that hates fiction, I thought you would've realized all this by now.
Now go read some Calvino, brainlet

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 22:11:23 2019 No.12832172 >>12825682 >20 year old book Christ, has it really been that long?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 22:12:42 2019 No.12832174 >>12831782 No. You might as well off yourself now

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 22:36:35 2019 No.12832249 >>12825554 i hope people don't actually believe this, fiction is a product of creativity, which is probably human's strongest aspect

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 23:31:29 2019 No.12832429 >>12826004 >Democracy and capitalism truly have been a disaster to the human race. lmao

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 23:33:05 2019 No.12832438 >>12825554 You guys need to loosen up.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 26 23:35:02 2019 No.12832452 >>12826004 Prime bait.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 27 00:18:18 2019 No.12832602 >>12825668 Jesus, look at his eyes, he's already dead insinde.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 27 00:30:13 2019 No.12832626 i fucking love being a virgin then

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 27 00:33:37 2019 No.12832640 >>12828815 >Any work of literature featuring philosophical themes is actually non-fiction. Or maybe you could just accept that the divide isn't neatly black or white?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 27 00:34:40 2019 No.12832645 >>12828815 See: >>12826043

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 27 00:40:14 2019 No.12832661 >>12832640 There he is, kids! It's jesus christ, here to teach all us tards a lesson!

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 27 05:30:54 2019 No.12833397 >>12828815 kierkegaard

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 27 05:32:05 2019 No.12833400 >>12832661 >Actually calling out retards is virtue signalling.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 27 05:45:50 2019 No.12833430 >>12825554 poetry isn't fiction anon, it is an art...

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 27 05:47:12 2019 No.12833433 >portraits are the better form of painting because they stem from REALITY

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