/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.12819892]

what is some masculinity affirming literature and philosophy? Things that are not an imitation of masculinity like Hemingway or Mishima.
Masculine in an indirect way.

[Anonymous No.12819909]

>>12819892
reading is inherently unmasculine
maybe pick up a dumbell and instead of a book once in a while noodlearms

[Anonymous No.12819922]

Les Miserables

[Anonymous No.12819937]

watch the movie Predator

[Anonymous No.12819938]

>>12819909
I think you’re full of shit but still curious as to why you think reading is not conducive to masculinity.

[Anonymous No.12819946]

>>12819938
He's probably that trannyposter who constantly makes the same thread about every writer being "feminine".

[Anonymous No.12819954]

>>12819909
>inherently
no such thing. women were hardly literate in past centuries.
also post body

[Anonymous No.12819956]

>>12819892
I've accepted that I am intrinsically a submissive male, and don't even try to change myself anymore. I am what I am. I want the woman to lead. I want her to make the plans, to surprise me from behind, to handle the finances, to be the big spoon, and all the rest. I just want to sit cutely in her lap and look up at her with an expression of innocence on my face. You got a problem with any of this? Good. Means nothing to me. I'm submissive to my core and I'm not wasting any further time in trying to "correct" myself when there's nothing wrong with me in the first place.

[Anonymous No.12819960]

Things that are not an imitation of >masculinity like Hemingway or Mishima.
elaborate?

>Masculine in an indirect way.
elaborate?

Also, what do you want to get out of it? Do you tie this reading request to a goal of yours?

[Anonymous No.12819964]

>>12819956
embarrassing

[Anonymous No.12819969]

>>12819956
This is never going to happen. You are delusional.

[Anonymous No.12820006]

unironically Hamlet. Manliest character in world literature.

[Anonymous No.12820047]

>>12819956
You want your mother's womb

[Anonymous No.12820094]

No literature or art is “masculine,” but it can guide you in that direction. At least read Greek and Stoic philosophy, classical mythology, and the New Testament. Unironically, play witcher 1-3 in their neutral routes if you aren’t willing to give up vidya yet. Music and film are a bit more open ended, just avoid works in bad taste. At least become somewhat versed in canonical musical works (just go to the RYM top 100, ignore the obvious memes, and then listen to jazz and classical on top of it) and the greatest arthouse films (Tarkovsky, Bergman, Kurosawa, Lynch etc). You want to access works that are motivating, show ways to respond to suffering, and express reality’s inherent beauty.
Truthfully, masculinity has to do with how you conduct your own life. Focus on staying true to your values, being responsible and sociable, while seeking balance physically (strength, endurance, flexibility, martial arts, and health by cooking for yourself), mentally, and spiritually (meditation is good, but what’s most important is to seek truth). Limit 4chan and technology access, in general. Go outside extremely often and seek events that you’re interested by that you can invite others with you. If you’re shy, start having small conversations with other people in socially conducive environments. I’ve made some of my greatest friends just from occasionally engaging with them as strangers for like 2-5 minutes at a time, before eventually hitting the right topic and being able to speak for hours with them. A large part of this is also knowing how to handle conflict — if you disagree with someone, you can stay true to your values by asking questions and demonstrating that you’re actually interested in why they think the way they do. Specifically, raise objections as questions if they’re obviously a volatile personality. You’re interacting with other people, first to establish an emotional connection, and secondly, to learn from them, indirectly benefiting them by motivating them with your presence. A sense of humor is also important, which largely comes from intelligence, but you can also develop it with confidence and experience. Practical skills are also good, but don’t sweat it too much if you don’t care about developing stuff that might not come in handy (the “masculine” activities like hunting, fishing etc). Altogether, get yourself to become extremely experienced and balanced.
Long write up because I’m frustrated seeing 4chan posts that claim stuff like “dark souls raises your testosterone,” missing the point of masculinity

[Anonymous No.12820095]

What you want, friend is Medieval literature. Songs of deeds, knightly romances, that sort of thing. When men were courageous, ferocious, and daring, but also sensitive, thoughtful, and pious. Real men, not the caricatures of men we have today.

Read The Song of Roland. Read Sir Gawain and the Green Knight. Read Parzival. Read the works of Chretien de Troyes.

[Anonymous No.12820197]

>>12819964
>:(

>>12819969
No. I will forge a new path for men of my generation to follow.

>>12820047
W-what do you mean by this? A-are you psychoanalyzing me, anon? UwU
(Please elaborate though, I'm curious)

[Anonymous No.12820205]

>>12819956
Based and mommy-secretary-gfpilled

[Anonymous No.12820221]

>>12820094
>just go to the RYM top 100,
Yeah, stopped reading here. Absolutely embarrassing lol.

[Anonymous No.12820227]

>>12819892
Black Future

[Anonymous No.12820233]

>>12819892
Nietzsche.
Pro tip: Don't marry, marriage (in a liberal democracy where women have equal rights) is emasculating unless you are such an overpoweringly manipulative person that you can enslave your wife emotionally.

[Anonymous No.12820251]

>>12819892
Tropic of Capricorn

[Anonymous No.12820270]

Masculinity is a spook. Read Stirner my slave.

[Anonymous No.12820305]

>>12819954
>women were hardly literate
They spent most of their time reading due to being confined to the home.

Of course, they were looked down upon if they tried to engage with the more serious texts, but you had cases of women who were highly educated reading high level lit anyway.

[Anonymous No.12820359]

Stoicism

>>12819909
Cato the Elder is one of the manliest man who have ever lived. He has read and wrote books.

[Anonymous No.12820370]

>>12820094
>At least become somewhat versed in canonical musical works (just go to the RYM top 100
AAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAJAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.12820373]

Storm of Steel. Astonishing feats of character within that dreadful war. My favorite is how a soldier, who was bullied during training, pulled his once-tormentors out of a crater and carried them to safety under fire. Even brought old Junger to tears, to say nothing about me.

[Anonymous No.12820400]

>>12820221
>>12820370
It’s a start, can’t dive deep into music without getting a sample

[Anonymous No.12820414]

>>12820400
>when the /mu/fag thinks his meme music is relevant in any way

[Anonymous No.12820428]

>>12820414
>velvet underground, beach boys, beatles, coltrane etc are irrelevant
weak b8

[Anonymous No.12820508]

>>12819892
You like personal freedom, you have a productive and respectable professional life, you are a contributing member of your family, and are a pillar of your community.

[Anonymous No.12820518]

>>12820197
kill your father and fuck your mother.

[Anonymous No.12820532]

>>12820094
epic troll

[Anonymous No.12820717]

>>12819954
Yeah I guess that's why only clergy were allowed to be literate and remain celibate

[Anonymous No.12820726]

>>12819892
The entire genre of adventure?

[Anonymous No.12820828]

>>12819909
this. Next nigga I see reading, I'm popping his shit.

[Anonymous No.12820886]

stoner, white noise, odyssey, and les miserables like another anon said

[Anonymous No.12820980]

>>12819892
>Posts picture of actor who spends half his time worrying about his appearance

[Anonymous No.12820993]

>>12820400
yeah, a sample of the most hipster dumpster-fire of sound of all time. Heres all the good albums on the list:
>Loveless
>FA∞
>Ágætis byrjun
>Endtroducing.....
>SAW 85-92
>Hounds of Love
>Spirit of Eden
>Soundtracks for the Blind
>MBDTF
>GKMC
>Illmatic
Of which four are actually great.

[Anonymous No.12821085]

>>12820518
Based

[Anonymous No.12821158]

>>12819892
Learning how to breakdance would solve all your problems.

[Anonymous No.12821170]

>>12820993
Kek sounds like RYM is your favorite site next to /mu/

[Anonymous No.12821261]

>>12819922
>>12820095
>>12820233
>>12820251
>>12820373
>>12820886
OH MY, look at this! All the posts that attempt to seriously answer the OP's question are ignored, and all the posts that merely bitch and moan about women and about the boring, mundane problems of the Anons in the thread get replies!

It's almost like this thread was made purely to bitch and complain with only the thinnest veneer of being related to literature. It's also almost like the majority of the people in this thread should take a shotgun and paint the walls with their fucking brains, so that they can stop wasting resources that would otherwise go to better, higher forms of life.

[Anonymous No.12821282]

>>12821261
>all that yikes
who hurt you sweetie? I bet you're fun at parties

[Anonymous No.12821292]

>>12821282
Go back to /r9k/.

[Anonymous No.12821308]

>>12819892
>what is some masculinity affirming literature and philosophy?
the classics
henry miller
david foster wallace

[Anonymous No.12821321]

>>12821292
have sex

[Anonymous No.12821327]

>masculinity
Heh, so you are you gonna kiss 'em anon?

[Anonymous No.12821340]

>>12821327
I feel like using reverse image search but I just realized I would be extremely disappointed if there were 0 results on Tineye. So I will just post this and move about my night

[Anonymous No.12821382]

>>12820980
Read his bio you retard.

[Anonymous No.12821414]

>>12819956
god i wish that were me

[Anonymous No.12821416]

>>12819956
Me on the right.

[Anonymous No.12821419]

>>12821327
Gross

[Anonymous No.12821421]

>>12819892
Masculinity is owning your interests. Trying to seek out masculine things in order to appear more masculine is peak beta.

[Anonymous No.12821427]

>>12821421
Masculinity is about enjoying life for what it is. Femininity is about wanting to change things. That's why liberals are mainly feminists or female and conservatives are manly or male.
There's nothing bad about either or and it's good to have a little bit of both masculinity and femininity in oneself but to truly be masculine is to bring joy to everyone around you. Positivity and happiness, my dude.

[Anonymous No.12821483]

>>12819909
fpwp
reading is more masculine than fitness

[Anonymous No.12821501]

>>12819956
Anyone know what anime this is from?

[Anonymous No.12821516]

Marcus Aurelius is the most chad philosopher to have ever existed. Read his Meditations.

[Anonymous No.12821520]

>>12821516
I bet you think Jesus also existed as well, huh?
Stupid.

[Anonymous No.12821536]

>>12821427
>>>12821421
>Masculinity is about enjoying life for what it is. Femininity is about wanting to change things. That's why liberals are mainly feminists or female and conservatives are manly or male.

This is the stupidest definition of male, female, conservative, and liberal I have ever read. Explain why men are predominantly the force behind change: political, technological, literary, theological, and cultural. Men, if anything, thrive in chaos and change, women do not.

Also your definition of conservative and liberal completely ignores the fact that modern conservatives are in fact traditional liberals.

[Anonymous No.12821538]

>>12820094
Good post, ignore the cucks

[Anonymous No.12821548]

>>12821327
begone

>=/

[Anonymous No.12821553]

>>12821536
>Explain why men are predominantly the force behind change: political, technological, literary, theological, and cultural.
Because women are telling them to do it.

[Anonymous No.12821555]

>>12821261
UwU

[Anonymous No.12821564]

>>12819892
Cormac McCarthy's John Grady Cole is a true man. Falls in love with and marries a Mexican prostitute and then spend the rest of his life avenging her death

[Anonymous No.12821570]

>>12819956
a-any books for this feel?

[Anonymous No.12821587]

I typed a long thing, but Captcha fucked me.
Basically, OP, masculinity is what youre using to define a set of positive traits or virtues. However, a whole set of positive and negative traits are associated with masculinity, and with femininity. I would suggest finding a balance of positive traits within yourself - all these works and more can certainly help you do that.
Don't assume that what is masculine is good. It can be, but there's a lot of shit out there.

[Anonymous No.12821602]

>>12821570
https://www.amazon.com/Fetish-Girl-Memoir-Domination-Motherhood/dp/1631524356

[Anonymous No.12821615]

>>12819892
None better.

[Anonymous No.12821620]

>>12819892
Plato's dialogues

[Anonymous No.12821631]

>>12819909
i cant WAIT to punch the next nigga i see reading. BITCH ass NIGGAs man i swear

[Anonymous No.12821653]

Norman maller
He was gutsy enough to be a man. And smart enough to quit it before he got too old.

[Anonymous No.12821659]

>>12821653
Mailer

[Anonymous No.12821669]

>>12821659
>>12821653
Oh wait.
Since you don’t wanna be a faker op. Why don’t you just go reread catcher in the rye. Then you can prove how tough you are by blowing through ‘the man who was sunday’ and completely miss the points of both books. Then go blow some celebrities rains out.

[Anonymous No.12821681]

>>12819892
Nietzsche, of course

[Anonymous No.12821760]

>>12821570
Wish I knew, friend.

[Anonymous No.12821895]

Friendly reminder that you can disregard any advice with percieved liberal slant as misinformation and assume that anything described as anti-masculine is actually a freudian mask of feminine desire.

[Anonymous No.12822019]

>>12819892
The Bible and Koran. Christianity and Islam.
Put women in their place. Men lead. Women support. Going forth and multiplying. Being honorable fathers. Destroyers of the immoral who blaspheme against this masculinity.

[Anonymous No.12822295]

>>12819909
>first post
>doesnt say: Hemingway and Mishima
fpwp

[Anonymous No.12822301]

>>12819892
Is there any character in literature that comes close to prime Arnold? I do not only mean from a /fit/ standpoint but all about his success story. Arnold maybe was the last real Übermensch

[Anonymous No.12822597]

>>12819956
And that's why no women want you, faggot.

[Anonymous No.12823271]

>>12819956
Anon, I’d rather be the submissive party too, but I wouldn’t let her shoulder all the responsibility. That would be an unfair burden to put on her and I’d want to be of use to her. There’s no way I could accept being called a good boy by her if I didn’t first do something to help her out.

[Anonymous No.12823302]

>>12819956
Why did this get so many replies?

[Anonymous No.12824501]

>>12819956
I’m not the type of person you described and perfer in relationships when we are legitimate partners and jointly make decisions. One person can be more submissive towards something things and the other for other things, but all-in-all I like being on pretty much equal footing.
That being said, I would prefer if society could shift a bit more so that women weren’t expected to be submissive and men totally assertive. I don’t want to castrate men and turn all women into raging dykes. I just want either gender to be able to get away easier with both. And I think submissive males have it way worse than dominant women. Submissive males seem to frequently be portrayed as losers and that’s no good.

[Anonymous No.12824697]

>>12819909
action is what makes a man - and his actions make him, but thought is a precursor to action, and so reading is an effective means of expanding one's thought, and in turn the effectiveness of one's action.

[Anonymous No.12824715]

>>12819892
Poetry of the sky, which soars through or hovers amid a lofty or cosmological perspective, melding imagery & mood using elevated diction. Particularly when the perspective registers as comfy or usual to the persona giving it voice, which delivers it with suave serenity. Lucretius, Wordsworth, Stevens. Goethe and Shelley sometimes. Crane while he was on the heights in "Atlantis". Such vertiginous playfulness unmistakably registers an attribute of the male ego that is impossible to pretend to by any writer who is without it. The effect doesn't necessarily have to be sustained at poetic length to tip the reader about the writer's essentially masculine subjectivity. It can be a peculiarly clear and sunny epigram, a sudden flash of warmly radiant humor amid a stroll of prose, a gesture antithetical to sinister in the way it touches the sympathetic imagination's farthest reach, the extraordinarily fine plainness of kind strangers whose creative and preserving resourcefulness is assumed as inevitable. The civilizing, as oppose to the civilized. Tone that can never be summoned or described in terms of institutional conventions.

[Anonymous No.12824773]

Unironically Gully Foyle is the epitome of masculinity.

[Anonymous No.12825047]

>>12824501
The problem is that people mistakenly associate being a sub with being weak. The strong woman is an archetype that's old as dirt (see The Illiad and Odessey) and historical instances of particularly assertive women are well documented. Sub males though, as you say, get the mostly negative portrayals when being sexually submissive ultimately says nothing about their character. You can be a woman's helpless little play thing in the sheets and still be assertive in your day-to-day life.

Subby and/or feminine males really do need more positive represention in general. I might be somewhat biased being somewhat feminine and submissive myself, but I just hate this idea you can't be submissive or girly while also having a backbone.

[Anonymous No.12825563]

ready player one