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how am I supposed to reconcile OT Yawheh with the Jesus? They seem completely different.
And Yahweh isn't at all the same as God the Father in the Christian sense. Point me to something that explains the Christian view of the OT please

>> No.12812473

>>12812469
Stop being Christian.

>> No.12812474

>>12812469
>posts degeneracy
>with that question
Figure it out yourself, heretic.

>> No.12812475

>>12812469
They're most certainly the same. I defy you to name one thing from the Bible that shows that Jesus is completely different in nature.

>> No.12812481

>>12812475
>Jesus is completely different in nature
Jesus was universal, Yahweh wasn't. Also, Jesus directly rebukes large portions of the Law.

>> No.12812488

>They seem completely different
Not really. Did you actually read all of the OT, or just skip around? The OT God has wrath, but lots of verses about mercy "Even now, if you humble yourselves and repent..."
NT has that same mercy, personified in Jesus. By the way, NT also has plenty of verses about the same wrathful God. You just have to actually read it ;)

>> No.12812495

>>12812481
>Also, Jesus directly rebukes large portions of the Law
The Law is the Old Testament. That's why it's called the New Testament.

>> No.12812496

>>12812481
>Jesus was universal
Universal in what sense? He only saves his sheep. He is exclusive to the elect. Please tell me what portion of the Bible you are referring to, not your ignorant suppositions about it.
>Also, Jesus directly rebukes large portions of the Law
Show me where he "rebukes" the Law

>> No.12812502

>>12812496
>Universal in what sense?
No chosen people.
>>12812496
>Show me where he "rebukes" the Law
Matthew 15:11

>> No.12812505

>>12812481
>Jesus directly rebukes large portions of the Law.
You mean like when he says this?
>Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

>> No.12812509

OT:
hey moses murder that guard with a rock
stone people to death if you have two witnesses
burn me a goat not just a goat an UNBLEMISHED goat
sons of israel you're free now from the oppression of the pharaoh- no you can't worship that idol now half of you slaughter the other half
also you have divine favor to lie and steal forever

what a meme

>> No.12812512

>>12812469
They don't seem different at all.
Perhaps you "don't know Jesus because you don't know the father"
Pray on it in genuine spirits

>> No.12812518

>>12812509

This reads like a child comes loaning to his parents and is nothing like what's written in the Bible btw
Good job revealing your limited education and have fun backing your claims up too baka

>> No.12812521

>>12812502
Rebuking dumb Talmudic traditions is not rebuking the law, brainiac. And you think Jesus preached "no chosen people"? Matthew 15:24, 26. You need to actually read scripture before making dumb threads about how scripture doesn't make sense.

>> No.12812528

>>12812505
>>Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
further proof of my point. Jesus is enigmatic. Yahweh is much more human in temperament.

>> No.12812531

>>12812495
The law is the Torah or Pentateuch. The Old Testament is the Law, the Prophets, and the wisdom literature or Writings, plus the historical books.

>> No.12812534

>>12812521
Galatians 3:28

>> No.12812552

>>12812502
>No chosen people.
Romans 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
>Matthew 15:11
A person can be "defiled" in a ritual sense, which is what the Mosaic law refers to. But the true meaning of this is to keep one undefiled in a moral sense, which is reflected by one's conduct. This is not a refutation but explanation, e.g.
1 Cor. 9:9 For it is written in the law of Moses, thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?
10 Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope.

>> No.12812571

>>12812528
>but that disproof of my point proves my other point, so I'm right!
Cringe and not breadpilled. Yes, Jesus speaks in riddles. He explains why in Matthew 13:14-15, quoting--guess who--Yahweh (Isaiah 6:9-10). Yahweh wanted Isaiah to speak cryptically. He's not so straightforward in all his ways. I get that this post is bait though since no one could really be this retarded, but you made me reply so good job I guess.
>>12812534
>wants to talk about how Jesus seems different than Yahweh
>suddenly brings Paul into the picture like that means anything
Yes, God's cool with people of all races, we get that, but Jesus in the flesh certainly endorsed the idea that the Jews were the chosen covenant people of God with special privileges as a result, like having the Messiah born among them.