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Nobody will ever approach his genius.

>> No.12804094

>>12803914
He was one of the all time greats! Personally, I'm a big fan of all the major rationalists. Descartes, Malebranche, Spinoza and Leibniz are probably my top all time philosophers. Been a joy to read for years.

>> No.12804109

>>12803914
He is easy to read

>> No.12804114

>>12804109
This, and that makes him stupid. Accessible philosophy shouldn’t even be considered philosophy

>> No.12804129

>>12804114
I know this is bait, but I'm going to reply anyways! I think Descartes's belief in the common rationality and innate intellectual potential of all people was one of his most admirable qualities. I think more philosophers should make an effort to be intelligible by laymen, without dumbing things down! It's tough, but possible.

>> No.12804132

>>12803914
I already did at like 14 years old. I already knew I existed, that my god is an awesome god and how to do Cartestian maths at that age ok?

>> No.12804136

>>12804129
Stop using exclamation marks on 4chan

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>>12804136
No!

>> No.12804147

>>12804129
I love him. I don't think he believed in god, but he was intimidated into covering it up.

>> No.12804164

>>12804147
I strongly disagree! The role of God is central in his entire philosophy, serving as his long sought after solid grounding for philosophy and the sciences. He also had high praise for St. Augustine, if I remember correctly!

>> No.12804207

reminder the reason he changed philosophy forever was due to 3 divine revelatory dreams he had as a soldier

>> No.12804213

>>12804207
PTSD?

>> No.12804233

>>12804213
Unlikely, as far as I know there isn't any record of him struggling with anything like that later in life. PTSD tends to stick around. He had very bizarre dreams while he was isolated in philosophical reflection, and interpreted them symbolically so as to think they laid out some kind of divine plan for him. Not unlike Socrates!

>> No.12804240

>>12804213
>>12804207
Most likely induced by moderate but non-lethal carbon monoxide poisoning.

>> No.12804242

>>12804213
start with the greeks

>> No.12804246

I love Descartes. The meditations are an excellent read. I hate having to listen to downies in my phil classes claiming he was a secret athiesth though.

>> No.12804255

Start with Descartes

>> No.12804269

>>12803914
“I am now dissecting the heads of various animals, so that I can explain what imagination, memory, etc. consist in”

His brain must have so many folds. Why bother with the greeks?

>> No.12804284

>>12804246
Reminder that he placed the foundation of his epistemology on the existence of god to appease the catholic church. In reality he probably founded it on reals instead of feels.

>> No.12804289

>>12804284
He was a pantheist like Spinoza

>> No.12804294

>>12804289
You take that back, he was a deist, just like George Russel, who pretended to be an atheist to appease Richard Dawkin's inquisition.

>> No.12804307

>>12804284
>>12804289
What you're saying has absolutely no basis in his actual written works or correspondence, and you push this vapid speculation in order to rewrite the narrative of history into a triumphalist and arrogant, entirely ideological secular victim narrative.

>> No.12804360

>>12804307
No u.

>> No.12804384
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>CREATING SOMETHING INTO EXISTENCE AND PERPETUATING SUCH THING IN EXISTENCE TAKES EQUAL POWER

From such axiomatic assertion, and realizing that no created object has in it the principle that allows them to perpetuate their existence, Descartes cloncluded that God is constantly causing things to perpetuate themselves.

Continuous creation is the most retarded philosophical thesis in existence...

>> No.12804470

>>12804307
I'm actually the guy who posted both of these comments my mentally challenged friendo, t'was but a joke.
>>12804294
>>12804284

>> No.12804515

>>12804384
you say that while posting an anime pic?

>> No.12804629

>>12804470
Fuck, I just got owned, epic style ] - ;

>> No.12804638

>>12804384
Isn't the idea that things contain within themselves the ability or power to continue to exist equally axiomatic?

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>>12804629
If only you realised my existence is predicated on your perception you could simply phase me out of reality. But you can't, because you're not as smart as me.

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>>12804646
Hnng... maybe if I concentrate hard enough...

>> No.12804726

>>12804638
Not if you discard potency entirely. That's a fucking spook if ever there was one. Potency is only the intellectual perception of an object's possible states: it's not an inherent quality of objects. Objects don't need to be "sustained in actuality" or have their "power actualized," they are simply the actual. Their causal interactions are the only things that "actualize." As unsatisfactory as this solution is as far as a complete regress is concerned, it's still better than trying to pin down a final cause and walking into a necessary contradiction or ambiguity.

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>>12804683
Kek, try harder virgin, won't get you anywhere.

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>>12804638
Sure. But Spinoza believed in the same axiom that Descartes did and solved the problem much more beautifully, making God delegate such power to the created things, i.e the power and the cause that allows things to perpetuate themselves are immanent, because God created them this way.

In Spinoza causality is immanent. While in Descartes causality is transcendental, coming from something beyond this world (God), that is, for Descartes, any change you see in the natural world is God constantly recreating stuff. Shit is retarded imo.

>> No.12804770

>>12804752
not him, but who created God?

>> No.12804777

>>12804752
what would your 2d waifu think of its animator?

>> No.12804779

>>12804770
Not animeposterguy but God is a necesary constant in most streams of christianity

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>>12804770
What the fuck is this Dawkins level rhetoric? I expected more from you /lit/...