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>Reading Tolkein now can be weird, because a lot of LotR can seem cliche or common- but that's because LotR was the progenitor of the tropes that now seem overly familiar. It is a victim of its own success.

How do we cure this?

>> No.12797166

>>12797163
did the guy in the shirt say that?

>> No.12797174

smoke weed and watch seinfeld who reads nerd shit like tolkein

>> No.12797179

>>12797163
By reading something else and not giving a shit about feeling “weird”

>> No.12797309

Read Robert E Howard instead, better anyways.

>> No.12797324

>>12797163
By actually reading it and realising that it transcends any of that nonsense. Only people who aren't reading it, or haven't read it in the last few years would ever say that.

>> No.12797703

>>12797163
LotR is more convincing than any fantasy that's come out since.

>> No.12797736

>>12797163
just realise that no fantasy post-Tolkien is worth reading.

>> No.12797737

This is true for all works that gave birth to new genres. But LOTR is anything but a "victim". Usually subsequent works develop the original themes and surpass the initial material. This can make the original seem cliche and dated . But I will argue LOTR was never surpassed

>> No.12797751

>>12797703
That's because it's not a fantasy.
It's a constructed mythology.
Every thought and effort went into giving Middle Earth it's authenticity, so that it could stand aside the real mythologies of the world.

>> No.12797877

>>12797324
>>12797751
>>12797737
These and then some

>> No.12798345

>>12797309
#Preachit

>> No.12798361

>>12797179
>hahaha im so quirky and weird my entire social circle just happens to approve of it

>> No.12798393

>>12797877
dubs of Godly Truth, the three posts within are the Trinity.

Tolkien is unsurpassable, if a fantasy tries to be like LoTR it will always fumble
Take inspiration and go ahead.

>> No.12798637
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12798637

>>12798361
You have problems

>> No.12799376

>>12797163
If you read any pillars of any genre, just reading them for pleasure is likely the wrong way to go. Take the time to understand their place in the canon, acknowledge what these books did and where they came from, and approach them a bit more mindfully than you would a 2019 fantasy novel.