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Bullshit last chapter. Seem liked a lazy last ditch "okay i'm done" thing by Burgess.

>> No.1279363

I haven't read this book in like 7 years, but I remember the ending being lame, so I agree, I guess.

>> No.1279364

Yeah the very last chapter is nice for "feel-good"

but for the rest of the book, the penultimate chapter would be the best.

>> No.1279425

Itt; Kids who dont think long term. He gets on with life right? So what happens when he has a family, and sons? The cycle starts over again. More little psychopath bastards.

The fucking author said as much himself.

>> No.1279430

>>1279425
The last chapter sucks, deal with it.

>> No.1279442
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1279442

What?
The whole book was about how being conditioned to do "good" without free-will isn't doing good at all. The ending showed how he changed on his own, WITH free-will, and how even something as micro as his taste in music turned more towards minimalism than big, clamorous orchestras.
It didn't suck at all. It was necessary.

>> No.1279451

>>1279442
this.

>> No.1279453 [DELETED] 

>>1279442
how do you change from rapist and sadistic bastard to a good guy. With all the things he done, going "oh maybe I should be good" at the last minute doesn't cut it.

>> No.1279459

Yup, the lending is complete shit. The movie is obviously much better in that regard.

>> No.1279462

Bar none, the last Chapter of A Clockwork Orange was one of the most complete, satisfying, and thought-provoking endings in all of literature.

OP is just a dumbass. Pay no attention to him.

>> No.1279475

>>1279459

the movie is a movie. the book is a book...and though they share a title, they are two very different things. the ending for the book is essential to making the author's overall thesis blatantly clear- no matter how ham-fisted it may appear to some. a book seeks to sell ideas. a movie seeks to sell ticket. this being said, i like both- but for totally different reasons.

>> No.1279479

>>1279462
this, again.

>> No.1279496

>a book seeks to sell ideas. a movie seeks to sell ticket

wat

The proportion of movies that are created purely for art vastly surpasses that of books. To imply that Kubrick only made movies for the dough is simply extremely ignorant.

>> No.1279510

>>1279496

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha- why do you think that the ending was changed?????? to suit the market place. come out to hollywood, i'll show you how things work.

>> No.1279513

The last chapter is Burgess beating readers over the head with his theme (even though he quite literally spells it out with the prison chaplain) and turning aside from his own problem (What about people who don't change? What about issues that aren't easily resolved by "and then he became a real nice guy"?) and it weakens the book in a big way

Kubrick is best :3

>> No.1279517

>>1279496

oh, and this statement:

"The proportion of movies that are created purely for art vastly surpasses that of books."

absolutely absurd. moving images are a lil over a hundred years old... how old is written language--- we need to quantify.

>> No.1279546

>>1279513

If Alex couldn't be good on his own, then why SHOULDN'T we make him?

The point is that people CAN be good on their own, as Alex does in the last chapter.

>> No.1279566

>>1279510

0/10

>>1279517

"are", not "have been".

>>1279546

The "point" is that you are not moral unless you are moral by choice...the better explanation is because their definition of "good" is completely baseless, and dictatorially forcing it on others isn't very cool.

>> No.1279576

>>1279566
>The "point" is that you are not moral unless you are moral by choice...the better explanation is because their definition of "good" is completely baseless, and dictatorially forcing it on others isn't very cool.

Yep. Can't have a living, natural "Clockwork Orange", anymore than a clockwork human.

>> No.1279675

>>1279566
I think the ending is a good example of, "show; do not tell."