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Why haven't you taken the Al-Ma'ari Redpill?

Anti Natalist 800 years before it was cool.

Islam had a chance to liberalise with more folks like this, what happened?

>> No.12776660

>>12776656
Forgot link

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Maʿarri

>> No.12776664

*Tips turban*

>> No.12776668

durka durka *farts*

>> No.12776670

>>12776664
He was a deist, just didn't believe in organised religion.

And in a time where being controversial would get you beheaded, not upvotes or yous

>> No.12776673

>Even on al-Maʿarri's epitaph, he wanted it written that his life was a wrong done by his father and not one that was done by himself.[7]

yikes

>> No.12776676

>the end goal of liberalism is to ensure their people are outbred
based thanks for reassuring me

>> No.12776706

>>12776676
Hehehe muzzies BAD lol

>> No.12776720

>>12776706
dude life is BAD and WRONG just smoke weed and don't have kids lmao

>> No.12776752

>>12776720
What other option is there? Killing and massacring for spooks like 'muh lands'and 'muh race' is worse than that

>> No.12776768

>>12776752
Why?

>> No.12776771

He just didn't know about Catholicism, Averroes came close though.

>> No.12776803

>>12776768
Because murder innocents is wrong in any case. All land is nobody's land, it is only claimed through conquest. Might is right. If you want to fight for power and land, then do it, but don't pretend you are morally obligated to slaughter. This isnt holy war for muh race, this is genocide to stay in power. You can do it, but at least don't excuse it away so you can sleep at night. It's just better to renounce greed and glory for power than to fight to stay dominant. You can do whatever you like, but at least don't give it a moral spin. You are doing it for worldly power for your tribe, your family.
>>12776771
Averroes was much less vocal, he was probably similar. And Al ma'ari denounced Christianity and Judaism as well.

>> No.12776810

>>12776803
>murder innocents is wrong in any case
Why?

>> No.12776838

>>12776656
He looks like a miserable bastard. No wonder he's an anti-natalist.

>> No.12776841

>>12776656
>Antinatalist
>Islam had a chance to liberalise with more folks like this, what happened?
You answered your own question.

>> No.12776850

>>12776810
It is an unjust violation of their right to life and actualising their potential and freedom to act.

>> No.12776855

>>12776841
Are you implying only his children could espouse anti natalist philosophy?

>> No.12776868

>>12776855
Anyone else who espoused it wouldn't have children either.

>> No.12776878

>>12776850
Sounds like you're the spook'd one

>> No.12776910

>>12776878
I don't believe in egoism to that extreme, but even if we go down this route murder is mostly harmful in most situations. You can go around killing people, but other people are going to kill you because you are a threat. So it is better not to kill in the first place. Especially if you kill people for your 'race'.

I don't understand what you are trying to say? Murder isn't wrong because morality is a spook, but murdering for your nation is somehow the moral prerogative? As I said before, it was a selfish act, and should not be disguised as if it was for a greater purpose.

>> No.12776916

>>12776868
That's the point. He'd just do his best to spread it to as much people as possible.

>> No.12776939

>>12776850
>unjust
spook
>right to life
MC Spooker
>actualising their potential
Sir Spookalot
>freedom
Y'all Spooks Don't Even Spook crack

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12776954

>>12776656
A fool saw a camel grazing, and said, 'why is thy form all crooked?'
Said the camel, in disputing thus you censure the sculptor; beware!

>> No.12776968

Hating the world was a standard opinion when every place looked like an African slum.

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12776970

>>12776810
>muh edgy 3rd grader question

>> No.12776983

>>12776939
Morality exists because of egoism. In a truly egoist society, killing people will get you killed. You have to have respect for the ego of others, for your own selfish interests.

But that's besides the point, you lot say morality is a spook, but muh white Aryan lands and nation is not?
>>12776968
I think he lived during the Abbasid glory years though. Baghdad was more than just a slum.

>> No.12776990

>>12776939
Basically you don't hurt my interests and I don't hurt yours. An unspoken pact for the benefit of both our egos. That's what I mean by justice or morality.

>> No.12776996

>>12776983
I don't know anything about that period but I would allow myself to guess that if he walked 5 miles from his house into the "bad districts" then he would be met with worse things than the shittiest modern slums.

I'm not arguing against his opinions but there are tons of world-hating opinions everywhere you look in the ancient world, even in the Bible, ESPECIALLY in the Bible.

>> No.12777023

>>12776996
Sure, but what I was trying to say that he is surprisingly similar to Schopenhauer in his philosophy.

I'm sure there was a lot of philosophy like that, from Ecclesiastes to Heraclitus. But he was public about it in the Abbasid empire. His statue was being beheaded by jihadis a 1000 years after his death. I'm sure many had similar views, but were scared of the church or whatever.

>> No.12777028

>>12776983
>you lot say morality is a spook, but muh white Aryan lands and nation is not?

>literally in a thread where the guy in OP was likely living dangerously because of the same religion that today is beheading and raping people all over the place

not the guy above, but how do you function in society with your level of amygdala hijacking? do you spook out (lol) over boko haram? what about the bataclan? or are you so spooked by the media spectacle that your amygdala is permanently locked into whatever the guardian or cnn tells you to be selectively outraged about?

>> No.12777046

>>12777023
Yeah, Arabs were cool at one point at least.

>> No.12777070

>>12777028
I dont understand what you are saying. Morality is a spook, but humans are biologically wired and socially taught to be empathetic. I guess its remnants of that.

>> No.12777129

>>12777070
>biologically wired and socially taught
wew lad that's even spookier