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>Yeah man I killed an Arab because the sun was in my eyes, please let me go free now.

Why on earth did he think this excuse would fly?

>> No.12757195

>>12755814
The way I see the main character is like a piece of a puzzle that won't fit. He spoke the truth, he wasn't trying to fool anyone, he just was like that.

And, does any of these nonsensical events have any meaning? That's up to you to decide.

>> No.12757797

>>12755814
It was self-defence desu. The Arab was being Arabian with his knife.

>> No.12757925

Honestly I asked myself the same thing. I think he would have been found guilty regardless of how the jury viewed his morality.

>> No.12757933

>>12755814
Back in the day it was ok to shoot Algerians indiscriminately

>> No.12758001
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>> No.12758033

Anyone have any thought of the robotic woman's appearance in the book? Was she just there to show how the courts dragged everyone they could in?

>> No.12758047

>>12755814
Dude. It's arbitrary, like the rest of his decisions/his life.
The whole thing is you dn't find meaning in yourself but you don't find meaning anywhere else either so you can take some comfrot from this whole thing being a slurry

>> No.12758079

>>12757797
Is it a meme to just ignore that is part? Or have these schmucks really just not read the book while making threads about it anyway.

>> No.12758189

>>12758079
I mean he was the one that went over and started antagonizing him.

>> No.12758407

>>12758189
Not an argument retard.

>> No.12758436

Is the first sentence as hard hitting and perfect in english as it is in frog?

>> No.12758448

>>12755814
Thread theme: https://youtu.be/SdbLqOXmJ04

>> No.12758483

Where the fuck is the "sun's out guns out" meme

>> No.12759895

>>12758001
What's the point of this image existing?

>> No.12760802

>>12757933
Man have you even read the book? It literally wasn't.

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>> No.12761307

>>12758407
It is tho, he didn't have to go there and he didn't have to shot him. I don't remember exacly how it went but i don't even know if arab even pulled out his knife. I think he was just reaching for it and he wasn't even close.

>> No.12761317

Was he a schizoid?

>> No.12761323

>>12755814
Its not that he killed him, that's obviously wrong, but he is convicted on a theory that didn't happen.
He didn't plot to kill the Arab, or enjoy his mothers death. That's why it's absurd - events happen, with no purpose behind them, and then are misconstrued as having meaning (the prosecutors theory) instead of just being random events.

>> No.12761382

>>12761307
>he didn't have to go there and he didn't have to shot him
He was just walking on the beach when he ran into the Arab, dude pulled out a knife and that's when the narrative sort of cuts off.

>> No.12761391

>>12761382
I remember that he was specifically walking to the same spot where he and the other bois run into arabs before. I think he had some distance on him too but don't remember much about when he pulled out his knife

>> No.12761418

>>12761391
The Arab was sitting down some distance away. He wasn't coming at the narrator or anything, just sort of brandishing the knife from a sitting position at least a few paces away when Meursault plugged him.

>> No.12762642

>>12761323
What a weird commentary for a book to make. Honestly sounds like apologetics for racism. "Some racists are actually just people who do things for no reason, they aren't actually racist! Don't hate them!"

>> No.12762664

What are you talking abou? He made no effort to justify or defend himself

>> No.12762669

>>12762642
What fucking racism retard the book has nothing to do with race or politics.

>> No.12762685

>>12762669
It doesn't, but that won't stop lefties from seeing injustices to fight where there are none.

>> No.12762689

>>12762642
What are you even talking about?

If your not causing harm, what’s so wrong with being racist?

>> No.12762691

>>12762669
He literally killed an Arab. That's Islamophobia.

>> No.12762692

>>12762642
Idiot

>> No.12762693

>>12762685
>>12762689
Simmer down, incels. It's just a book.

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>>12762691

>> No.12762709

>>12762693
Can you give me an answer? Or can you just throw around meaningless slander?

>> No.12762719

>>12762693
Yup! I’m Elliot Rogers protege. Either way, the OP is bringing up muh racism when it’s not a factor in what was being discussed.

>> No.12762746

>>12761323
I agree with this. Had he been a more socially acceptable character then the courts punishment may have not been so severe.

>> No.12762815

>>12762746
Woah it's almost as if that is what Camus intended to portray
IIRC he wrote/said that the book is about executing a man who won't cry at his mother's funeral

>> No.12762922

>>12755814
He didn't expect it to work, he was just being honest.

>> No.12763328

>>12762746
What lesser punishment would you give someone for literally committing murder? He killed someone and got killed for it.

>> No.12763337

>>12763328
Life in prison, senpai

>> No.12763342

>>12763337
Unless life in prison is cheaper for the government than a death sentence, I don't see the point.

>> No.12763436

>>12763342
It actually is, at least in America. System is all fucked.

>> No.12763445

>>12763436
Wait, really? Why? What could possibly drive up costs that much?

>> No.12763453

>>12763445
It's not that execution costs more than providing for inmates, it's that living inmates = tax breaks for the prison system

>> No.12763847

>>12763342
>Allowing financial cost to the taxpayer to determine punishment.

>> No.12763855

>>12763328
>He killed someone and got killed for it.
An eye for an eye eh?

>> No.12763865

>>12758448
What a find, the one fucking song about one part of this one book

>> No.12764398

>>12763328
If he successfully argued it was done in self-defense he could have gotten a lighter sentence

>> No.12764408

Reminder that some muzzie retard made a book "from the perspective of the Arab".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Meursault_Investigation
Imagine missing the point this fucking hard.

>> No.12765675

>>12764408
Eh?

>> No.12765690

>>12762693
>calling people on 4chan incels
INCELS RISE UP
ASSAULT EVERY MOSQUE IN A 50KM RADIUS

UNSHACKLE YOURSELVES FROM CU.CKOLDRY

>> No.12765696

>>12765690
Triggered the incel

>> No.12765697

i read this book but honestly i didnt understand a thing. i dont understand the character, i dont understand the point the book was trying to make. nothing.

>> No.12765704

>>12765696
calling somebody an incel is the same as calling somebody a cultured herculean god
just a heads up, friend

>> No.12765706

>>12765704
t. incel

>> No.12765710

>>12765706
thank you

>> No.12765788

>>12762691
If you're not baiting, please, for the love of God, read the damn book before posting you complete fucking retard.

>> No.12766308

>>12765788
He's not wrong though.

>> No.12766323

>>12758001
no one can tell me that it's a coincidence that the retweet and like count are both made up of the same numbers in different orders

>> No.12766342

>>12766323
It's a fake tweet, idiot.

>> No.12766522

>>12755814
that is the predicament of modern man. we believe we are free but in reality, we are utterly detached from faith, community and society. In this isolation, we hope to be the ubermensch, powerful enough to finally lift that boulder, and become emanciated from the tragic fate of sisyphus. Unfortunately, in the state of anomie, much like school killers and the recent muslim massacre, it leads to arbitrary horror where we can commit anything and everything.

>> No.12766951

>>12755814
If you think he was making up an excuse put the book down and become a camwhore.

>> No.12767028

>>12761323
Why did he shoot 2 more shots after the Arab was down tho?

>> No.12767044

>>12759895

The seeds have been planted.

>> No.12767056

>>12755814
>please let me go free now.
he never asked this
>Why on earth did he think this excuse would fly?
he didn't
>It was self-defence desu. The Arab was being Arabian with his knife.
the whole point is Meursault never brought that argument up. he could have called it self defense and gotten away with it, but he refused

>> No.12767199

>>12767028
the sun was still in his goddamn eyes

>> No.12767341

>>12762746
>>12763328
This is literally the crime of manslaughter
>the crime of killing a human being without malice aforethought, or otherwise in circumstances not amounting to murder.

>What lesser punishment would you give someone for literally committing murder?
Well the bible says to prefer the lesser punishment of exile to death.

>> No.12767514

>>12767341
The Bible says a lot of things that I guarantee you don't follow or even know that it says.

>> No.12767520

>>12755814
no one addresses the racism of the act of killing the arab

>> No.12767525

>>12755814
camus is for edgy teens

>> No.12767910

>>12767525
Edgy teens cannot even begin to understand Camus.

>> No.12768008

>>12765697
Are you a grill?

>> No.12768311

>>12762642
Racism is a projection of meaning onto otherwise mundane variations in how people look, just as the law projects itself onto meaningless events. Meursault is the ultimate colorblind character whose reason for not being racist is that it does not matter. We are all condemned to death for meaningless reasons as meaningless people: an equality that is just as meaningless as it is real.

>> No.12768467

>>12763328
he's a frenchman in a french colony (sort of, Algeria was technically France proper), the man he killed was armed, it would have been easy or expected for him to 'get away with it' and be given a lesser punishment because that sort of colonial abuse was extremely common.
we, reading fifty years later, have an easy time disassociating ourselves from this reality because it's a very different world from ours.

>> No.12768511

>>12768467
How I long for the good old days when you could kill arabs without issues

>> No.12768599

>Camus once confided that the troubles in Algeria "affected him as others feel pain in their lungs."[37]

>In the 1930s, Camus was affiliated with Left-wing groups like the Maison de Culture in Algiers which were highly critical of the French colonial regime's treatment of Algeria's Arab and indigenous inhabitants, supporting the Blum-Viollette proposal to grant Algerians full French citizenship. His 1938 address on "The New Mediterranean Culture" represents Camus' most systematic statement on his views at this time. In 1939, Camus wrote a stinging series of articles for Alger Republicain on the atrocious living conditions of the inhabitants of the Kabylie highlands, advocating for economic, educational and political reforms as a matter of emergency.

>In 1945, following the Sétif and Guelma massacre after Arab revolts against French mistreatment, Camus was one of only a few mainland journalists to visit the colony, again writing a series of article reports on conditions, and advocating for French reforms and concessions to the demands of the Algerian people.

>When the Algerian War began in 1954, Camus was confronted with a moral dilemma. He identified with the Pieds-Noirs such as his own parents and defended the French government's actions against the revolt. He argued that the Algerian uprising was an integral part of the 'new Arab imperialism' led by Egypt and an 'anti-Western' offensive orchestrated by Russia to 'encircle Europe' and 'isolate the United States'.[38] Although favoring greater Algerian autonomy or even federation, though not full-scale independence, he believed that the Pieds-Noirs and Arabs could co-exist. During the war he advocated a civil truce that would spare the civilians, which was rejected by both sides, who regarded it as foolish. Behind the scenes, he began to work for imprisoned Algerians who faced the death penalty.[39]

>When he spoke to students at the University of Stockholm, he defended his apparent inactivity in the Algerian question; he stated that he was worried about what might happen to his mother, who still lived in Algeria. This led to further ostracism by French left-wing intellectuals. At the time of his death, Camus was working on an incomplete novel with a strong biographical component titled The First Man. The publication of this book in 1994 has sparked a widespread reconsideration of Camus' allegedly unrepentant colonialism in the work of figures such as David Carroll in the English-speaking world.[40]

from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Camus#Algeria

>> No.12768990

>>12768599
HOLY SHIT!

>> No.12769043

>>12760802
Nigga, u dumb

>> No.12769045

>>12767525
camus is for comfy

>> No.12769072

>>12769043
Simmer down, cope.

>> No.12769080 [DELETED] 

>>12769072
>Simmer down, cope
Reddit

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/lit we already had this

>> No.12769710
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>>12758483

>> No.12769720 [DELETED] 

>>12762642
>>>/r/eddit

>> No.12769734

>>12769080
>>12769720
Cope

>> No.12769742 [DELETED] 

>>12769734
>cope
What’s next, “who hurt you?”
Fuck off back to plebbit lil nigga

>> No.12769749

>>12769742
Who hurt you?

>> No.12769772

>>12769749
Cope

>> No.12769847

>>12769772
Yikes.

>> No.12769918

>>12769847
Can confirm

>> No.12769961

>>12769918
Big if true.

>> No.12770013

>>12765697
the point is that the mc doesn't think that what he did were a big deal (or something that has a meaning)
since he doesn't understand the meaning behind that something, he simply just doesn't give a shit

>> No.12770026

Nihilism or accepting the race war

He never felt so at his place since he killed this sub human and was sent to jail

Very related to nowadays

>> No.12770065

>>12770026
Cringe.

>> No.12770219

>>12755814
Because the Arab followed him around with the intent to harm him.

>> No.12770246

>>12770026
based /pol/ misinterpreting classic literature as always.

>> No.12770520

>>12770246
>based
*cringe

>> No.12770583

>>12755814
we live in a society desu

>> No.12770757

>>12770520
If you couldn't tell I was being sarcastic your brain is just as defective as his is. But maybe I'm the one getting baited now.

>> No.12770829

>>12770013
oh okay, he didnt understand the big deal about a live ending or what? i thought he was just suer apathetic for like no reason. but doesnt he understand the implications by the end when he really doesnt wanna die suddenly or do i remeber that wrong?

>> No.12770883

>>12770829
You are remembering incorrectly, he's fine with death.

>> No.12770886

>>12770829
he doesn't understand why the following are a big deal
>killing person
>not feel sad about his dead mom (maybe he felt something but he was just too chill about it)
>doesn't matter who would he marry in the future as long as it's his gf, if his gf was A then he's gonna marry A, if his gf was B then he's gonna marry B, and that's it
maybe there are more

>> No.12771381

>>12770883
I distinctly remember a part where he started panicking and yelling at the priest, what was that about?

>> No.12771896

>>12769694
do you have an archive reference?

>> No.12772677

>>12771896
No, because I'm lying.

>> No.12773960

>>12755814
Camus is for retarded low IQ faggots in love with the idea of bohemian lifestyle.

>> No.12774017

>>12773960
Who do you recommend instead?

>> No.12774845

Pure kino.

>> No.12774881

He didn’t have eyebrows

>> No.12774906

>>12757797
>>12758079
it was not self defence since he shot him multiple times after he went down

>> No.12774921

>>12774906
Cops do that all the time in America and get away with saying self defense because police are a protected class.

>> No.12776541

Americans.

>> No.12777975

>>12776541
Good call.

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>>12755814
He just wasn't fucking around with some white lies etc. He simply said what happened. btw he wasn't judged for the murder but for his i dont care behaviour. The murder isn't nearly as important as things like he wasn't crying on his mothers funeral and next day had some fun with gf.

The stranger is simply showing that world isn't in touch with him.

>> No.12778450

>>12778405
The real question is how a guy with a personality like his managed to live so long in the first place. Also, what caused him to have this personality?

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>>12778450
There is no explanation in the book of why he is like he is although i would say that you are able to grasp some things only with age and lets say that he realized absurdism of life not that long ago so he is still living and these thoughts are drilling his brain to the point of killing a man with no remorse at any dimension. There are 2 ways of living with absurd one is mersault way and the second is to simply live. Death is the end and it doesnt matter when you die but if you know that this is a fact then why would you bother yourself with something that obvious as fact. Simply live man.

>> No.12778518

>>12778507
as obvious as faact* but who gives a shit about grammar miastake at /lit board

>> No.12778582

>>12778507
Tl;dr
Embrace the absurd don’t be a pussy

>> No.12778832

>>12755814
To him, it didn't matter. Free of all societal and selfish tethers, why lie? They asked the facts, lying would imply he cared about something. His outburst towards the chaplain is because he's trying to force Mersault connect with the world, but doesn't understand that Mersault can't. If a comparison could be made it would be like going to work and having to play pretend with the others, participate in children's teaparties and draw with colouring pencils. Everything people do seems absurd to Mersault, like they care too much about everything.

>> No.12779326

>>12771381
the priest made him upset

>> No.12779349

>>12778518
>faact
fact*

>> No.12779384

>>12779349
you dont say

>> No.12780094

>>12779384
Don't be so hard on him, faact could have meant anything.

>> No.12781851

Is that right?

>> No.12782106

What are the best Meursault moments?

>> No.12782177

>>12755814
Should I read this book?

>> No.12782191

>>12782177
no

>> No.12782226

>>12763445
Prisoners are basically slave labor here. It’s pretty fucked up.

>> No.12783447

>>12782226
Where?

>> No.12783468

>>12755814
>>12757925
>>12761317
>>12766522
>>12767520
>>12770219

How retarded can this board get?

>> No.12783493

>>12783468
Ooh, I've always wanted a chance to say this. *ahem*

Not an argument.

>> No.12783502

Camus, Albert. Dislike him. A cheap sensationalist, clumsy and vulgar. A prophet, a claptrap journalist and a slapdash comedian. Some of his scenes are extraordinarily amusing. Nobody takes his existential journalism seriously.
The Stranger. His best work, though an obvious and shameless imitation of Kierkegaard's ""Either/Or".
The Myth of Sisyphus. Dislike it intensely.
The Plague. Dislike it intensely. Ghastly rigmarole.