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>> No.1266924
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Pic related.

>> No.1266925
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>fiction philosophers shit tier
>implying Sartre is shit tier.
>implying Wilde, Orwell, Hemingway and Asimov are shit tier

>implying this isn't a troll thread.

>> No.1266928

Ty, you haven't even read but about 5 of those authors. Why you so silly.

>> No.1266930

>>1266925
I love Sartre but with the exception of Nausea he IS shit tier. Also, Orwell/Asimov are definitely shit tier.

Doyle and Lovecraft over Franzen and DFW? Troll harder bro.

>> No.1266931

>>1266925
>fiction philosophers shit tier
they resort to philosoophy because their prose isn't strong enough.
>implying Wilde, Orwell, Hemingway and Asimov are shit tier
Vastly overrated to anyone that isn't American.
>implying this isn't a troll thread
Would it matter if it was? Too insecure to get "trolled", lol just post your own opinion instead of baseless claims.

>> No.1266932

>Shit tier: Fiction-'philosophers'


Oh you mean like Camus?

>> No.1266934

>>1266928
>Ty, you haven't even read but about 5 of those authors. Why you so silly
Wrong, I enjoy much of the god-tier writers work. I'll admit what i've read drops as you get closer to shit tier but there's an obvious reason for that.

>> No.1266936

>>1266931

Orwell and Sartre are brilliant writers.

This board is plain entertaining. It's where all the kids from /mu/ came when they realised that books aren't just for school time.

>> No.1266937

>>1266930
>I love Sartre but with the exception of Nausea he IS shit tier
lol learn2post-modernism

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>Wilde and Murakami in shit tier
>classifying and generalizing opinions
>bears

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>>1266934

>i haven't read it but i know that it's shit.

>> No.1266941

Ah Brax you're such a cunt. Today was the day I decided I'd be nice to you and you go and do this. If Murakami is shit tier, why were you reading him on the bus the other day you aspie cow?

Hey, good call with Wilde though.

>> No.1266942

>>1266934
Ty, you've read like 7 books so far this year, come on.

>> No.1266943

>>1266939
I mean that I've only read say Picture by Wilde, 1984, etc for the shit tier authors. it was enough to put me off, their "best work" too.

>> No.1266945

>Kafka, Joyce, and Dostoevsky

The Hipster Trinity.

Let us now pray the Hipster's prayer.

Our Franz, who art in Kafka, hallowed be thy metamorphosis. Thy kingdom come, thy will be done.....

>> No.1266948

>>1266943
OH YOU!

YOU JUDGE AN AUTHOR ON ONE OF THEIR WORKS THAT THE HIGH SCHOOL SYLLABUSES TAKE UP, AND ASSUME THAT EVERYTHING ELSE BY THEM IS JUST AS BAD OR WORSE?

THAT'S CUTE.

>> No.1266950

>>1266943

You put Pynchon in God Tier, your opinion is completely invalid.

Gravity's Rainbow is possibly the worst book ever written.

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The funny thing is, no one's gave a substantial reason yet for why their fav author should be a tier higher, or even higher if they're that way deluded....

>> No.1266952

>>1266951

That would be feeding the troll, and you have GOT to be trolling.

Or Hemingway wouldn't be in Shit Tier.

>> No.1266953

>>1266950
>>Gravity's Rainbow is possibly the worst book ever written
>One of the greatest pieces of English Literature ever written
>called the worst by some faggot on 4chan
hey i dont often say this, cos its immature, but i think this one's possibly 2deep4u. Come back later.

>> No.1266955

>>1266952
>That would be feeding the troll, and you have GOT to be trolling
That's why they are posting pointless shit instead is it?

How is it whenever you can't come up with actual arguments it's always "troll troll troll troll".

>> No.1266956

GUYS, HOW DO I EMAIL MY PROFESSOR OVER AN INSIGNIFICANT MATTER? TOO HARD FOR ME.

>> No.1266957

>Or Hemingway wouldn't be in Shit Tier
Poor man's Henry James.

>> No.1266958

>>1266953

Probably why you don't like anything by Sartre.

Gravity's Rainbow was terrible. It doesn't progress fast enough and it's basically pseudo-intellectual garbage.

>> No.1266960

>>1266955
Alright, then justify your categorizations.

>> No.1266961

>>1266932
Exactly. Camus, Dostoevsky and the like are the superiors to their philosophy equivalents. Nietzsche himself said he learned more from Dostoevsky than from the entire tree of philosophy combined.

>> No.1266963

Hey I agree with your placement of the Brontes. Nice

>> No.1266964

>>1266961
I was pointing out that inconsistency in the chart

>> No.1266965

>>1266945

I don't give hipsters the satisfaction of claiming any of those authors as their own.

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>>1266960
Writers that have created the greatest works of /lit/ are in god-tier because they are the best.

Writers that have one or two masterpieces are in good tier, they are here because they still deserve recognition.

Writers that are pretty consistent but nothing special in the grand scheme of things are in Average tier. This is because they are still professionals.

Writers that are highly derivative & hyped up for nothing are in shit tier. They are here because they shouldn't make others suffer their prose, simple as that.

>> No.1266969

>>1266916

>saw Pynchon above Camus
>stopped reading

>> No.1266970

You don't understand Hemingway.

>> No.1266972

>>1266965
>I don't give hipsters the satisfaction of claiming any of those authors as their own
If you like those authors YOU are a hipster. The word is meaningless & you are only using it as a meaningless insult yourself.

>> No.1266974

>>1266967
if we would classify posters you would be in shit tier but not because you're hyped, just the suffering part....

>> No.1266976

Maybe you'll understand Hemingway when you're a little older.

>> No.1266978

Wow OP, you read anything outside Victorian lit much?? Someone just got done with an undergrad class, huh?

>> No.1266979

>>1266972

So anyone who likes Dostoevsky is therefore necessarily a hipster? Congratulations, you just won the 'Argument from Ignorance' of the year award. Enjoy your false dichotomies.

>> No.1266980

>>1266976
YOU EVER HEARD HIM WHINE ON TINYCHAT? I DON'T THINK HE EVER WILL

>> No.1266981

Where would you put fucking Shakespeare

>> No.1266983

>>1266981

I wouldn't even put him on there, he's for the stage and anyone who claims to enjoy reading that jumbled mess of words in book form is a retard.

>> No.1266985

>>1266970
>>1266976
Wow we're -ALMOST- getting somewhere!

What do I not understand about Hemmingway? I've read FWTBT it was nothing more than "coming of age", "love in wartime" army crap but i can see why young rednecks like yourself enjoy it but it doesnt resonate with many other people.

>> No.1266986

>>1266981
>where put Shakespeare
>in a thread titles NOVELS
>all authors listed are AUTHORS
>Shakespeare is a playwright
>he wrote plays
>not novels

.....You can't be serious. I refuse to believe you are serious.

>> No.1266988

>>1266981
>Shakespeare
>novels
Get the fuck out.

>> No.1266990

>>1266981
This is the class of idiot TyBrax is dealing with. Don't worry I'm behind you man!

>> No.1266991

>>1266983
>anyone who claims to enjoy reading that jumbled mess of words in book form is a retard.

Jesus Christ you are officially too fucking dumb to post on /lit/. Anyone who calls Shakespeare "a jumbled mess of words in book form" needs to be castrated. Or better yet, can I have your address? I'd like to bash your fucking skull in with my 3 lb and well-loved Norton Anthology of Shakespeare.

>> No.1266992

OP IS JUST A LITTLE CUNTRAG GUYS.

HE'S GETTING OFF ON THIS, BECAUSE IT'S THE MOST ATTENTION HE'LL GET. AND YES, OP IS CONFIRMED VIRGIN.

>> No.1266993

>>1266916

>popular and fairly good authors in lower tiers
>Wallace in same tier as Meyer and fanfic

Duuuuuuuuuuuurrr learn to troll better. Is this your first time? I remember my first time...in AOL chats, around 1998. Youngin'.

>> No.1266994

>>1266979
>>So anyone who likes Dostoevsky is therefore necessarily a hipster?
>didnt get the point
why should i even bother?

>> No.1266995

>>1266985
I recommend reading some critical studies of the novel if you wish to better understand it

>> No.1266996

>>1266990
>>1266988
>>1266986
What in thr world do you fags have against drama

>> No.1266998

>>1266985
>>1266972

nigga you dumb

like mad dumb

>> No.1266999

Wait, has anyone considered that maybe, just maybe...

The OP is a fag.

>> No.1267002

>>1266999
No, then he would like Oscar Wilde.

>> No.1267003

>>1266999

Yes. In fact, I'm pretty certain he's a raging queen. He's most likely retarded, too.

>> No.1267004

>>1266996

If you're trolling, 10/10. If not, dude...no one is hating on Shakespeare. Except this fag:

>>1266983

But Shakespeare did not write BOOKS. He wrote PLAYS, sonnets, and poems. Not BOOKS. This is a thread about OP's massive faggotry pertaining to BOOKS.

>> No.1267005

>>1267004
PLAYS, sonnets, and poems are fundamentally the same thing as novels anyway so who cares?

>> No.1267008

>>1267004
>>But Shakespeare did not write BOOKS. He wrote PLAYS, sonnets, and poems. Not BOOKS. This is a thread about OP's massive faggotry pertaining to BOOKS.
>Plays can't be books, neither can non-fiction or philosophy.
You heard it hear first folks! Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear, /lit/.

>> No.1267009

>>1266963
This.

>> No.1267010

I read Shakespeare as if it was a novel, although I tend to read it as if I was performing all the parts to an audience in a one-man show.

>> No.1267011

>>1267005
NIGGA, YOU JUST WENT FULL RETARD

Of course, I forgot that most novels are written with acts, scenes, and stage directions, or are organized according to syllabic progression, feet, or rhyme. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

>> No.1267012

>>1267008
*here*

>> No.1267014

>>1267008
You are a fucking retard. PLAYS cannot be BOOKS unless they are adapted into a book. That's like saying HURR DURR DOGS CAN'T BE CATS.

No, dogs CAN'T be cats. A dog is a dog. A cat is a cat. A play is a play, and a book is a book. GO BACK TO SCHOOL.

>> No.1267016

>>1267011
That doesn't even matter. There's a wide enough variety within the genres of "novel," "play" and "poem" by themselves that drawing distinctions where you are is basically pointless

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>>1266978
>Wow OP, you read anything outside Victorian lit much?? Someone just got done with an undergrad class, huh?
Unlike some people I do not limit my reading to only certain genres. Also I just got back from my local library, not uni.

>> No.1267020

>>1266967
Ah. "Greatest Works". "Masterpieces".

It's a good thing you've elaborated on this classification system. You're such a fucking idiot. You're so dumb it made me tired. I gotta sleep this off. Goodnight, Brax. Try to die in your sleep before morning.

>> No.1267021

>>1267014
Actually dogs and cats are just collections of organic molecules and the distinctions you draw between them are pretty arbitrary (and yes I am aware I am also drawing an unnecessary distinction between "organic" and "inorganic" as well but it's just to make a point)

>> No.1267022

please let this be a troll thread. i can't stand the thought of sharing /lit/ with someone so fucking idiotic.

>> No.1267024

>>1267016
Seriously dude, I'm not even going to fucking argue with you, because you are so goddamn retarded I can't even process it. We are not talking about modern plays that transcend some boundary of art - we are talking about 17th century Elizabethan drama/comedy, which - protip - is an era of plays.

My Ph.D in Literature is giving you the finger, by the way. Whenever I get students like you in my undergrad classes, I feed your fucking papers to my fireplace at night.

>> No.1267027

>>1267024
>My Ph.D in Literature is giving you the finger, by the way. Whenever I get students like you in my undergrad classes, I feed your fucking papers to my fireplace at night
Jesus Christ, they just throw these away don't they?

>> No.1267028

>>1267024
YOU HAVE A PHD AND YOU TEACH UNDERGRADUATES.

COOL MAN.

>> No.1267032

>>1267024
Well, since you've resorted to stating your credentials to try to scare me or something, I guess it's pretty pointless to continue bickering. Your point isn't very interesting anyway. Shakespeare himself more or less transcends his genre. He was quite original for his time

>> No.1267037

>>1266985
That's not his best book to start with. If you want to enjoy his stuff, you'd be better off with Farewell to Arms.

>> No.1267038

>>1267028
>>1267028
>>1267028

That IS what Ph.D's are for. My graduate students AREN'T FUCKING RETARDED, so I don't bother mentioning them.

PS: This is the first time I've been to /lit/ in more than a year. As usual, it's the same group of middle school, pre-pubescent children posting. Thanks, I'll stick to the conference circuit from now one with people who actually know the fundamental difference between a play and a book.

>> No.1267039

>>1267037
thanks for the recommendation. what do the rest of you think is Hemingway's best?

>> No.1267040

>>1267032
Yes, he totally never stole direct lines from Marlowe, Nashe, and - oh. Wait. He did.

>> No.1267041

>>1267038
nice to have had you, come again soon

>> No.1267042

>>1267040
Ever heard of something called pastiche?

>> No.1267046

Of Mice and Men.

What now, faggot?

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>>1267038
>Thanks, I'll stick to the conference circuit from now one with people who actually know the fundamental difference between a play and a book
>book
Jesus Christ the humanities really are full of idiots aren't they?

A book is a physical medium containing texts.

Shakespeare is a playwright not an author.

Plays/Theater are not Novels/'fiction'.

You are a fucking idiot, I really can't believe I'm talking to someone at least 10 years older than me.

>> No.1267056

Ok it's the guy who said Shakespeare wrote novels here. I didn't notice the thread or image title and thought the thread was about literature in general. Sorry

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OK I'm going to the shop, how about you construct an argument for why _ author shouldn't be _ tier while i'm away.

Seriously wish I had insisted on that in the OP now.

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>>1267038
No one will miss you.

>> No.1267069

>>1267063
YOU'RE WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE DISCUSSIONS THAT DON'T TURN INTO SHIT LIKE THIS.

>> No.1267072

Never change, /v^Dlit/

>> No.1267075

Hahahaha owned by Ainsley Harriot

>> No.1267087

Okay, I'm going to make an argument for Fitzgerald, who should be God tier, and simultaneously one for why Dickens should be Good tier at best.

Fitzgerald's prose is spare and perfect; each word is relevant to the whole and has an extended meaning. Dickens takes over-blown descriptiveness too far. Nothing makes me angrier than the overwhelming use of superfluous words.

That being said, it's all subjective. I didn't even open this thread; has OP justified placing Austen on 'Good' and Wilde on 'Shit,' because that is peculiar, and I would like to see his working.

>> No.1267099

>>1267038
>That IS what Ph.D's are for.
>Ph.D's

>> No.1267115

I agree with half of that list and feel surpisingly little need to punch you in the face compared to your usual posts.
To be honest, it's much less retarded than the usual tier lists on /lit/.
I thereby conclude that you aren't Tybrax, but have killed him and stolen his trip.
Keep up the good work.

>> No.1267123

you guys have a swell way of spending afternoon. . .arguing about taste. . .

>> No.1267130

OKAY OP

Where would the Bible go?
Nothing but God tier.

>> No.1267134

>>1267130
Dude. The Bible isn't a novel. idiot

>> No.1267139

>>1267005

According to this guy (>>1267134) it is.
>>1267005

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I didn't like The Great Gatsby - I just couldn't get into his prose.

Are there any other works by Fitzgerald that I should try to read?

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sup tybrax?
looking hawt in this pic.

>> No.1267170

>>1267142
Tender is the Night is my favourite novel. All his short stories are excellent, but I also have a soft spot for The Beautiful and the Damned. (though it's not his best.)

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>>1267069

Anything that starts with a tier list is bound to suck. It's a bunch of pretentious, subjective bullshit where stupid-ass teenagers who'll likely never reach the success of these people (literary or otherwise) devalue their work and dismiss it with overused, categorical internet jargon like "low" or "shit" or "overrated" or "hipster" when in fact it's just not their cup of tea.

What the fuck IS a hipster anyway?

Some people claim you have to like certain music to be one.

Some people claim you have to like certain authors to be one.

Some people claim you just need to be a douchebag.

Others claim you have to look like Ellen Page or Michael Cera.

Others claim you just have to be young, social, and fond of gaining knowledge.

Others claim you have to be young, social, and fond of feigning knowledge.

Some people use it as an insult.

Some people just use it as some sweeping, generalized subcultural label.

Some use it as a compliment.

Why even bother tossing around such a word so vehemently?

Some of you are frustratingly stupid, and hypocritical, and if it's all just a big ruse and you're "trollin'", then I guess the second picture in this thread is the most related thing in the universe.

Fuck all y'all's shit.

>> No.1267187

>>1267069
says the man that constantly bumps troll threads to battle the OP/'troll'.

>>1267115
If I had a pound for every time someone says 'you know you're actually ok tybrax but i still hate you cause thats the general rule' .....

>> No.1267191

I don't believe OP has read much of any of this list.
Just taking into consideration the fact that Ty was claiming The Brothers Karamazov was the greatest thing ever before he'd even read it speaks volumes about the guy ("but I read a bit on my psp lol").

But anyway, trolling aside, I'll only call you out on a couple of your obviously contentious entries - Lovecraft in Average tier? You know he only ever wrote one novel, right? The quality of said novel was way below that of his short stories which, in themselves, are not very well written at all. If you're being serious then you need a full-on kick in the balls for even thinking about putting HPL on the same tier as Goethe and Hardy.
Also Wilde in shit tier? You know he's wasn't a novelist either, right? He only wrote one novel, which I'm assuming you really didn't understand. Anyway, your whole list smacks of trying to hard to appear intellectual. If you really believe Wilde, Orwell or Hemingway are shit writers then you really know nothing about literature at all.

>> No.1267201

>>1267191
ok revised edition:

lick
my
balls

>> No.1267209

>>1267176

.

>> No.1267211

>>1267161
Ben?

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>I need some attention this morning.
>I need some attention real bad.

>lightbulb.jpg

>Hemingway is shit tier
>David Foster Wallace is shit tier
>Asimov is shit tier
>Murakami is shit tier
>Genre writing is shit tier
>deal-with-it.jpg

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>>1267201

An excellent retort, I stand corrected!
You're just like d&e; name-dropping and intelligent buzzwords might impress the plebian majority but to anyone who knows much about the literary field you just look like an idiot.

But, by all means, carry on trying to appear the smartest guy in special ed. I'm sure the buzz you get helps fill that gaping hole created by your inadequacy.

>> No.1267233

>>1267226
i'm only 18 :/

share your wisdom with me, that i might better myself....

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>>1267233
You could start with actually reading shit before you judge it (harshly), as you frankly don't know shit about anything.

Not that you can be blamed. Most 18-year-olds are annoying little faggots. I went to an all-ages show recently, and fucking teenagers just think that their shit doesn't stink.

>> No.1267238

>>1267237
You're just jelly, and you convinced yourself it's their fault for your failings. We all age, but it isn't anyone's fault that you're old.

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>>1267238
>Annoying teenager posting from mom's minivan on his iPhone
>PROVED ME RIGHT

>> No.1267245

>discriminating by age
Sure is fucking children ITT, regardless of actual age...

>> No.1267248

>>1267240
Do you need some toast for all that jelly? I got some mason jars, but I'm afraid there's not enough in the world to contain it all.

>> No.1267304

ITT:
>implying Murakami is not shit tier

>> No.1267305

>>1267226
>You're just like d&e; name-dropping and intelligent buzzwords might impress the plebian majority but to anyone who knows much about the literary field you just look like an idiot.

No.

>> No.1267316

>>1267226
>>1267305
Exactly, D&E actually studies troll-fu at college. I'm just a lowly part-timer :(

>> No.1267338

>>1267024
But then how do you hand them back to your students with a grade then?
If you taught at my University. You wouldn't have your job long. You must be an American with a tenure to be able to wantonly destroy submitted assignments!

>> No.1267379

At first I thought Ayn Rand is a Political Philosopher. I thought she was a marxist and wanted a world reverted to rural agrarianism. But it seems that her work Atlas Shrugged is about refusing to be exploited by my society and industry.

"a world in which the individual is not free to create is doomed"

Often times we hear about writers who have written great novels but did not achieve financial success in their lifetime. That's probably for the best, since artists prefer to live in their most comfortable element, to create.

>> No.1267393

>>1266916
>Cortazar
>God Tier

I love OP

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>OP forgot about Truman Capote

>> No.1267398

>Goethe
>average
OP is a retard.

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>>1267393
Do u liek Hopscotch???

>> No.1267430

>>1267397
Also Truman is shit tier.

>> No.1267440

God tier: every author OP mentioned
Shit tier: /lit/

>> No.1267448

>>1267440
what's Meyer's best work?

>> No.1267452

you forgot herman hesse

>> No.1267454

You people are far too intelligent to be chucking shit at each other on the internet like apes. Do something constructive! Have some vanity! Jack off into a mirror! Write a story about yourself! Take a satisfying dump! Its a big world out there you stupid little hobbits, and you're missing it because your eyes are all covered in useless shit and it taints your psyche and makes you boring and i have no friends dont become me

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>>1267211
>>1267211
no that's Nicholas Etheridge, your real name :/
it's a picture of you Ty, taken from your facebook.

don't you remembert when you quit the tinychat after i showed you the thread with your name on it?
don't you ;_;

>> No.1268145

Switch Tao Lin with Wilde and you've got a deal OP

>> No.1268152

ITT - people being trolled.

>> No.1268154

>>1267452

Guaranteed he hasn't read a single page of his work because he's a complete fucktard.

>> No.1268169

NICK ETHERIDGE!


WELCOME TO PRIME TIME BITCH!!

>> No.1268175

Okay, I'd be willing to just read this and say "whatevs, put authors I like in the shit tier. I'm over it." but Lovecraft being a tier above any of those guys in shit tier? Seriously? I mean, I even like Lovecraft to an extent, but how is he better than any of the authors specifically mentioned in the shit tier other than Meyer?

>> No.1268179

OP you're a fucking idiot.

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>God tier: E. Bronte
>Good tier: Balzac
>Average tier: C. Bronte
>mfw

>> No.1268205

I just finished reading 'Garden of Eden' by Hemingway.

TO SPITE OP. I enjoyed it immensely. Take that, you hipster faggot.

>> No.1268228

Holy shit you have terrible taste. Haha.

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>>1266916
Now rage.

>> No.1268271

>>1268269

>hemingway in good tier
>Rand in shit tier

I am okay with this.jpg

>> No.1268325

>>1268269
>Shakespeare in god tier

Die.

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>>1268325
lol y you mad tho?

>> No.1268926

>>1267233

No wonder you're such an idiot.

Do us all a favour and come back when you're at least 7 years older. The time you're wasting here should be spent actually reading those authors you've listed. Then maybe you'd would know wtf you were talking about.

>> No.1268933

It's official: !WvWWh.l.CE is the most moronic and annoying person on this board.

>> No.1268935

>>1268933
Welcome to 4 months ago.

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Wait, I get it. OP is both a troll AND a retard.

It all makes sense.

>> No.1269093

Hey why isn't Eye of Argon on this list?

>> No.1269099

>tier threads

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>This thread