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>first day of philosophy class
>“You all know the saying ‘you are entitled to your own opinion’?”
>“Well I’m here to tell you’re NOT!”
>“You’re only entitled to your own opinion if you can philosophically justify it. That’s what this class is going to be about.”
Wow, so I have to philosophically justify my subjective opinion that chocolate tastes good? Damn no wonder philosophy is a joke.

>> No.12667791

Yep.

>> No.12667796

>>12667636
Chocolate is the by product of an inferior race that was bread out of existence by the Spaniards.
If we think about it like this we can say that all things that go extinct where flawed in some way.
I.E. your taste in chocolate is shit because you like inferior things destined to go extinct.
Like white people.

>> No.12667802

>>12667636
It’s not hard to justify liking chocolate you mongoloid

>> No.12667803

>>12667636
I could justify my liking chocolate logically.

>> No.12667805

>>12667803
do it right now faggot

>> No.12667813
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>>12667803
Do it you semen drinking nigger Jew!

>> No.12667830

>>12667803
>but I won't
Literally just say this to everything, make it seem like you have a proven philosophy that tells you not to explain yourself to people.

>> No.12667836

>>12667805
>>12667813
A scientific explanation would suffice I think. It's fat and sugar which we crave etc etc

>> No.12667849

What do you mean?

>> No.12667864

>>12667836
That isn’t philosophical at all. What philosophy or philosopher are you using to justify that?

>> No.12667866

pretty sure i read somewhere that chocolate has thingies that activate the things in the brain that make you feel good so that's pretty scientifically open and shut i think

>> No.12667871

>>12667866
>scientifically
Sorry I missed the whole part where you justified it philosophically

>> No.12667879

>>12667864
Merleau-Ponty

>> No.12667881
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12667881

>Wow, so I have to philosophically justify my subjective opinion that chocolate tastes good?
It is not a subjective opinion. If this is valid, then it would mean it is not subjective and that differing opinions speak to a matter of something being pathologically wrong with the individual, i.e. he/she may lack the neurological developments needed to perceive and assess it. The same way many of the masses lack the ability to discern melody which their "opinions" on music, is like a blind man opining on artwork.
You're just low IQ.

>> No.12667892

>>12667805
id tazed gud

>> No.12667895

>>12667864
Why do I need to site a pre-existing philosophy to say that people enjoy endorphins? Also science is a sound basis for argumentation. Its argumentation from logos if you like. This is all scientists are doing when they're writing research papers. Making arguments appealing to logos.

>> No.12667901

>I like it because it makes me feel good

Wow, so hard

>> No.12667912

>>12667871
science is a philosphpy

>> No.12667916

>>12667881
It actually is subjective you utter brainlet. If eat chocolate to the point of it making you sick multiple times, the next time you eat chocolate you will think it tastes bad. Or perhaps I have eaten many foods which are richer than chocolate. Chocolate in comparison to these rich foods isn’t good.

>> No.12667919

>>12667636
OP too stupid to realize he needs the philosophy course.

>> No.12667922

>>12667864
The ontological sufficiency of a scientific explanation is most definitely a philosophical argument, brainlet.

>> No.12667927

>>12667912
Philosophy is art. Science is not art. Therefore Science cannot be philosophy.

>> No.12667934

>>12667927
Cool.

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12667936

>>12667871
>materialism isn't philosophy

>> No.12667946

>>12667927
>Philosophy is art.
But it's not. Maybe you should pay attention to your philosophy course.

>> No.12667947

>>12667927
Define philosophy

>> No.12667952

>>12667916
>. If eat chocolate to the point of it making you sick multiple times, the next time you eat chocolate you will think it tastes bad.
This demonstrates the development of an aversion from classical conditioning, which is a biased opinion tainted by a corrupt experience.
>Or perhaps I have eaten many foods which are richer than chocolate. Chocolate in comparison to these rich foods isn’t good.
Then people who likewise have eaten these many foods which are richer than chocolate should perceive the same.

The ability to perceive taste and aesthetics is objective. Bad tastes and aesthetics are a sign of neurological or mental deficiencies.

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12667959

>>12667936
>it’s scientifically open and shut
>oh wait I meant to say we like chocolate because of materialism not science

>> No.12667963

>>12667927
>Philosophy is art
By any modern definition of "art," no.

>> No.12667972

>>12667959
Wew... I don't even know how to begin to address this. I think you need to crack open your philosophy textbook.

>> No.12667985

>>12667952
>The ability to perceive taste and aesthetics is objective. Bad tastes and aesthetics are a sign of neurological or mental deficiencies.
Actually it is collective. Sociological experiments have proven this. People will agree with other people simply not to disagree or to be the odd one out.

>> No.12667994
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12667994

>>12667946
>>12667963
If it is science why can’t it ever prove anything

>> No.12668012

>>12667952
>the ability to perceive tastes is objective
How can we account for differences in taste then? One person may like chocolate slightly too much, and eat it slightly too frequently, while another might hate chocolate, and refuse it when offered. Neither of these instances indicates a "mental deficiency" and neither of these people is objectively wrong for failing to perceive the other's good or bad taste.

>> No.12668022

>>12667994
It's neither you fucking moron. Not everything is either "art" or "science."

>> No.12668040
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12668040

>>12668022
If philosophy isn’t art why do I have an MA in Philosophy?

>> No.12668045

>>12667994
Try doing some reading about how modern scientific theory was developed.

>> No.12668058

>>12668040
You don't have a master's in anything.

>> No.12668062

>>12668040
Because the "liberal arts" are not actually art. You can get a BA in the sciences too, including psychology, but psychology, whatever it is, is not art.

>> No.12668234

lol @ this thread

>> No.12668254

>>12667864
OP complaining that he's gonna have to justify liking chocolate to his retard professor isn't philosophy either yet here we all are

>> No.12668303

>>12667895
>Also science is a sound basis for argumentation
Whew boy - - - you need to catch up with philosophy of science.

>> No.12668308

De gustibus does it, now that wasn't so hard was it Anon?

>> No.12668390

>>12667864
>>12667864
His position is that it's biological based on the body seeking fats/sugars. that is a philosophical argument.

>> No.12668525

Taste of chocolate give me pleasure
Pleasure is good
Therefore, the taste of chocolate is good
This shit isn’t hard brainlet

>> No.12668532

Actual philosophy is about getting down to the truth, and has little to do with opinion. In my opinion that professor is a retard

>> No.12668550

>>12668532
Truth is imperceptible. Philosophy is just exchange of opinions.

>> No.12668676

>>12667636
Can he philosophically justify that opinion?

>> No.12668692

>>12668676
meta as fuck

>> No.12668705

>>12668676
Yes, my child, give in to pyrrhonism

>> No.12668725

>>12667803
What is good? - goodness in itself?
How does good manifest itself in chocolate?

>> No.12668729

>>12667879
... that is literally the opposite of what Merleau-Ponty want to say

>> No.12668737

>>12667919

No one has ever needed a philosophy course. Philosophy, like art, is what humans do to pass the time once all of their needs are actually met.

>> No.12668758

>>12668550
Yeesh

>> No.12668779

>>12667947
The attempt to define a phenomenon or phenomenon(s) as accurately as possible

>> No.12668792

>>12668550
Postmodernism as a philosophy is parody of itself. I'll never understand how anyone who is not underage takes it seriously.

>> No.12668798

>>12668779
>phenomenon
whose term exactly? kant or husserl?

>> No.12668808

>>12667636
Things can only be justified within a criteria that is ultimately arbitrary.

>> No.12668812

>>12667636
Your teacher is retarded then, sorry OP. Philosophy is all about being willing to accept that you could be wrong about anything and everything, and so having a willingness to entertain ideas without necessarily accepting them.

>> No.12668851
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>>12667636
Easy. Just say that you find [insert opinion] aesthetically pleasing and beauty is what you value the most.
Beauty is the most divine thing on earth. Order stands in defiance of entropy. And beaty is patterns and therefore order. The creation of life itself requires very specific conditions and is therefore unlikely, yet it happened. Aesthetics like a are a reflection and imitation of those unlikely circumstances. Therefore beauty is divine and whatever opinion I have is justified because I arrange all my thinking so that it pleases my sense of aesthetics.

>> No.12668853

>>12667636
Don't get hung up on every little thing the teacher says, especially in an intro class. Also, don't have any expectations, you will learn more this way.

>> No.12668856

>>12668525
>Pleasure is good
Is it?

>> No.12668870

>>12668856
It's irrelevant right now, that post was just an example of a philosophical justification.

>> No.12668893

>>12668779
Sounds like science me boy

>> No.12669049

>>12668893
Imagine a philosopher who is a materialist in regards to metaphysics and an empiricist in regards to epistemology. An easy enough person to imagine i'd say. You can say he is a scientist, as his views are aligned with most other scientists, but he is clearly also a philosopher. Since scientists necessarily hold the same views of philosophers who align with them, and not all philosophers align with scientists, then we can conclude that science is indeed superseded by, and exists within, philosophy.

>> No.12669060

>>12668893
How are you unable to understand that science is essentially a branch of philosophy? The ontological arguments that science relies on didn't just magically appear in the minds of people.

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>>12667864
You are like a little kid

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