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>atheist
>exclusively attacks Christianity
Has anyone else ever noticed this? Atheists don’t seem to believe in their own identity—a nonbelief in theistic religions. The only theistic religion I’ve ever seen an atheist attack or criticize is Christianity. I’ve never seen a so called atheist rail against Judaism or Islam—the other two major monotheist religions. Could you imagine the amount of scandal and trouble Bill Maher would have if he started attacking Islam or Judaism? Could you imagine how ostracized Richard Dawkins would be if he published a book called “The Allah Delusion” or “The Yahweh Delusion”? Why is this?

>> No.12650961

>>12650946
I dunno

>> No.12650968

>>12650946
Maher talks shit about Islam all the time. Christopher Hitchens' God is Not Great takes a big dump on all three Abrahamic religions.

>> No.12650974

>>12650946
U seem pretty retarded. People chritizise Christianity because it's the religion we know better in the west.

>> No.12650993

>>12650974
Europe is more Islamic than Christian now, stupid burger.

>> No.12651011

>>12650993
Wtf so woke

>> No.12651034

Because they are in countries that are culturally Christian. Most of their complaints are not particular to Christianity, they're just framed that way because it's how they understand them.
As I recall Dawkins has said Islam is worse than Christianity.

>> No.12651142

>>12650974
No he's right.
Others might call me a fedora reddit atheist but at least I was honest about Islam, race, gender and the evils of communism.

It's just not worth it to post online about actually controversial subjects.
You don't change any minds and you just make enemies.

>> No.12651284

>>12650946
They used to put us Classical Pagans down (we believe in the literal existence of the Olympian Gods and offer Prayers and candles and incense to Them) but after some of our Goddesses (Demeter and Persephone to be exact) started appearing with us in public places and those who still mocked Them literally dropped dead of a heart attack or suddenly went crazy - they stopped...so now they only attack monotheistic religions...

>> No.12651287

>>12650993
So it’s more atheist than religious?
Great news.

>> No.12651300

>>12650946
This is, for the most part, just not true, especially of the more vocal or influential proponents of the "New Atheist" movement. Christopher Hitchens and Sam Harris both caught shit during their lifetimes for being Islamophobic. Hitchens supported the Iraq war until his death, long after he stopped even remotely approving of the Bush Administration based on a fear of Middle Eastern culture.

>> No.12651306

>>12650946
I’ve noticed this too and I’m from India. The difference between ancient Indo-Greek atheism and the modern day variety is that the latter actually has very specific ideas about the cosmos that only makes sense in a post-Protestant world. These new atheists claim that their beliefs, or lack of beliefs, are a blank slate, but in fact they’re a rejection of one particular religion, which is Protestant Christianity. When the Protestant religion was formulated it was in the context of anti-Catholicism, and in the same way New Atheists define themselves by a negation of Protestant ideas.

>> No.12651310

Because attacking Jews is anti-semitic and Muslims will cut your head off.

>> No.12651319

Because they once heard the phrase "Protestant work ethic" and got triggered by the W-word.

>> No.12651334

>>12651319
“Wage-slave”?

>> No.12651352

>>12650946
>Could you imagine the amount of scandal and trouble Bill Maher would have if he started attacking Islam
shit bait

>> No.12651453

It is obnoxious. Every time they ask me for a proof of God's existence they won't even engage with the argument. They'll start talking about Christianity as if it's relevant to the question they asked. I just don't bother with them anymore because they're idiots.

>> No.12651611

>>12650946
criticize jews and they will go mad. now, do with christians and they willl aplause you

>> No.12651662

>>12650968
>all three Abrahamic religions
There's only two Abrahamic faiths. Ishmael and Israel. Christianity and Islam. Judaism is a rabbinical cope religion forged after Judah lost access to the old covenant.

>> No.12651672

>christian
>exclusively attacks oblivious kids in random pictures on the internet wearing fedoras by adding false christian-narrative quotes

>> No.12651678

>>12651662
Ishmael begat the Arabs and Israel begat the Hebrews. Christians are neither, but they are Abrahamic since their faith is derived from Judaism.

>> No.12651691

>>12650946

I'm an atheist and I mainly target Islam with criticism because it is by far the most problematic in the current era.

>> No.12651704

>>12650946
>mentally ill christcuck
>has such a massive victim complex that he thinks atheists exclusively attack his imaginary friend

>> No.12651714

>>12650946
>The only theistic religion I’ve ever seen an atheist attack or criticize is Christianity.
It's almost as if you're a Christian yourself and the predominant religion in your country--and the one atheists in your country are predominantly exposed to and attempted to be indoctrinated by-- is Christianity. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

>> No.12651722

>>12650946
>ould you imagine how ostracized Richard Dawkins would be if he published a book called “The Allah Delusion” or “The Yahweh Delusion”? Why is this?

all your abrahamic religions ultimately worship the same skywizard, brainlet. denying one is denying all.

>> No.12651726

>>12650946
OP this is a little inside baseball for you but many people in the broader atheist community constantly talk about the great split in atheism for this reason. It is quite obnoxious that they shit on Christianity but that’s because they’re speaking from a place of anger and most likely had some bad interactions with Christians in their personal life. This is the mark of a young atheist. The intellectuals were ravaged years ago by sex accusations and feminism has wrecked the community as well ( like it has with many others ). This has led to an even deeper shift of “woke” atheists vs. the skeptics. This is easily seen on YouTube as most so-called “anti-sjws” were formerly active atheists commenting on the issues in that community. Most of them say “atheism is dead” because atheists don’t talk about atheism they talk about social issues and argue amongst themselves. The most prominent atheist critic that’s consistent about his views is Sam Harris who’s rich for these views so I’d say there’s absolutely atheists that criticize all of the religions of Abraham. An atheist attacking Christians in this current climate is just low hanging fruit, they aren’t bright for doing so as every piece of entertainment they consume makes the suggestion that theists are dumb. This is a huge inconsistency in the progressive community because pointing out the problems of Islam will get you blackballed. I’m an atheist but for what it’s worth I see way more value and social cohesion in the worldview of Christians than anything coming out of the atheist or “cosmopolitan” secular world. That’s something Sam Harris will never understand, we aren’t all fucking rich New Yorkers.

>> No.12652125

>>12650946
Many antitheists come out of majority-Christian societies (if for no other reason that anti-theists outside the West are more likely to get lynched or beheaded) so it’s natural that they’d focus more on Christianity than, say, Zoroastrianism.

>> No.12652200

>>12650946
Because these atheists arose specifically from a post-protestant context. Because Protestants almost entirely wiped out all theology, the *nglo has developed a resistance to logos. This is best exemplified when you see alleged big-brain atheists completely ignoring proofs for God's existence, and rather shift the debate to "but if God exists, then why did Christians kill people in the Crusades???"

>> No.12652220

>>12650946
Christianity believe it or not is still the biggest force evangelizing worldwide from Latin America to Asia to Africa. The propaganda reach is much more significant and actually has a big impact on public policy. Also Bill Maher and most of the other New Atheists are openly Zionists and shit on Islam all the time.

>>12650993
Except this is stupidly wrong and even if it was true Europe isn't demographically significant and definitely won't play much of an import role in the future.

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>>12652200
>proofs for God's existence

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>>12650946
Allah means God in Arabic; Christians in the middle east call the Triune Godhead, Allah. Yahweh means "Lord" in hebrew. Go back to your home board, we don't need more heavy-handed Christians without the most perfunctory interest in literature.

>> No.12652278

>>12652233
this

>> No.12652310

>>12650946
Most of the time i notice them shitting on islam to a fault followed by slight criticism of christianity followed by a huge outrage

>> No.12652317

>>12650993
CCCCccccringe

>> No.12652325

>>12652233
If I posted one right now I can tell you exactly what will happen. You won't understand it despite the simplicity and I could spend the next hour breaking it down for you while you frantically search Google for stock objections to an argument that will sound kind of like the one I used but the difference will be lost on you, and of course you won't understand why your objections are irrelevant or fail. I've done this too many times. You guys are fucking lame.

>> No.12652338

>>12650946
It's obvious from a Hegelian perspective. From Christianity's contrast with Enlightenment rationalism arose our modern strain of atheism-as-opposed-to-Christianity. It is a very different thing than atheism-in-itself (if such a thing were possible), which would simply not assert the existence of God inasmuch as the conception of God would be completely absent as a dialectical term. Rather, modern atheism is a double negation of this unqualified atheism, inasmuch as Christianity exists as its single negation.
>>12652248
No, Adonai is Lord in Hebrew. YHWH is I AM.

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>>12652325
You keep telling yourself that

>> No.12652391

>>12652325
Or we could cut out the middleman and get to the part where Kant BTFOs the usual proofs of God. I say this as a Christfag.

>> No.12652401

>>12651287
Quiet, young one. You still have much to learn.

>> No.12652414

>>12652391
You don't even know what argument I'm talking about and you're already appealing to Kant as if he's the answer to any possible argument I could make. I doubt you could even explain Kant's view on anything in your own words. This is why I don't bother with you people, you're ridiculous.

>> No.12652426

The thing about Religion and people is that they do the exact opposite of what's in their books.

>> No.12652438

>>12650946
While Christianity is my only choice when it comes to religions, the lack of being able to question stuff such as if the holy books is really the word of god has turned me agnostic.

>> No.12652443

>>12652310
Christian outrage was dickless and profitable, muslim outrage resulted in fucking charlie hebdo.

>> No.12652453
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>>12651142
>the evils of communism

>> No.12652467

>>12652414
>I have a really great argument, but you guys are too dumb to understand it. But please believe me, it's really so great you wouldn't be able to counter it, I swear!

>> No.12652493

>>12652325
and how are these arguments going to prove your God in specific?

>inb4 sekrit hebrew name code infographic

>> No.12652509

>>12652453
t. unemployed

>> No.12652518

>>12650946
Maybe they consider Muslims and Jews low hanging fruit, or maybe Christianity is just the one religion in the US you can criticize as much and as harshly as you want.They attack religious people, and when questioned they go “woah woah you’re the one who believes in God so the “burden of proof” is on you”, and it’s just circular bullshit where they have no actual ideas, they just demand ideas from everyone else and respond to every argument with “nah there’s no evidence”. I think Christians tend to be more tolerant and open-minded and don’t mind putting up with that level of retardation every once in a while.

>> No.12652521

>>12652493
What the hell is this even supposed to mean? God is singular. A proof of God's existence is proving one God.

>> No.12652525

>>12652401
Oh, the ironing !

>> No.12652535

>>12652521
>it might be impossible to prove the nonexistence of a transcendental first mover
>this means that you should mutilate your sons' dicks because this magic diary says so
Retard.

>> No.12652549

>>12652220
>won't play much of an import role in the future.
>literally war time levels of rape with thousands of young girls groomed in britain alone
>no import

>> No.12652550

>>12652521
How limited does your imagination have to be to believe in the possibility of only one God? For all you know, the being that apprehends our reality is just some random dude.

>> No.12652554

>>12652535
Who says to cut their dicks off and why is this relevant to arguments about the existence of God?

>> No.12652562

>>12652550
Well I don't know what it means to "apprehend our reality" and I suspect this is gibberish but we can know there's only one God very convincingly through argument and reason.

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>>12652554
>I can prove that god exists and that he is singular
>nevermind that there are countless clergies claiming to have the one true version, versions that are contradictory to each other, it's irrelevant anyway

>> No.12652606

>>12652562
Yes, an impersonal one.

>> No.12652611

>>12652582
Explain to me how some people disagreeing on the one God's personality contradicts the notion of there being only one God.

>> No.12652613

>>12652562
>Well I don't know what it means to "apprehend our reality"

Go back to your home board. We don't need more heavy-handed Christians without even a perfunctory interest in literature.

>> No.12652639

>>12652611
Because building a mental gymnasium where you do mental backflips until your opposition finally rolls its eyes and says "yeah okay I can't prove that there isn't a transcendental, magical entity that exists alongside our material universe because proving a negative is impossible" is easy -although as entirely pointless as saying there is such a thing as an invisible pink unicorn.
Something that would have a point would be proving or demonstrating that god as described in the religion of your picking actually exists. And good luck with that.

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>>12652562
>admitting you're retarded

Weird flex, but okay.

>> No.12653109

>>12652453
I'm a geolibertarian anarchist though?

>> No.12653124

Yoy already know the answer, identity politics. Muslims = brown

attacking them = racist Islamophobia

>> No.12653141

>>12650946
That's in the general populace. On 4chan atheists attack Muslims and Christians equally. Its just that usually the Christians are the only ones to appear on the scene.

>> No.12653238

>>12651691
>Islam is by far the most problematic in the current era
Because they control your media, banks, entertainment, and social media?

>> No.12653247

>>12650946
You have selective memory of fedoras attacking christianity because you yourself are a christfag.
Islamfags bitch about being exclusivley targeted in their online communities as well.

But also proximity.

>> No.12653436

>>12653247
I have never seen a fedorafag go after the Jews.

>> No.12653444

>>12653436
There aren't enough of them to justify it. But on the other hand I absolutely abhor Jews, which is not something I would say of Christians or Muslims.

>> No.12653464

go back to 2011 and make this post

>> No.12654038

>>12650946
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vln9D81eO60

get rekt op

>> No.12654058

>>12650946
Atheists attack Islam all the time. Celebrity atheists like Sam Harris have been repeatedly accused of Islamaphobia because of their attacks on the religion. Richard Dawkins was accused of anti-semitism because he attacks the God of the Hebrew Bible so much. Since you bring up Bill Maher, here's a video of him shitting on Islam

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XA64SX_52m8

>> No.12654064

>>12650946
>I’ve never seen a so called atheist rail against Judaism or Islam
because you don't live in israel or a muslim-majority country

>> No.12654117

>>12650993
the amerimut that's going to tell us how europe is

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>hatpost
>wrong and shit opinion
like clockwork

>> No.12654182

A lot of the atheist meetups and organizations got hijacked by purple haired genderqueers who don't want to attack Islam because they see muzzies as oppressed minorities. These morons also claim they're new age Buddhists and Pagans a lot of times so I don't know why they showed up in the first place. Anyways I got kicked out because I refused to stop making 'offensive' jokes, like most of the other old timers. Nowadays they don't even talk about religion, the 'atheist' lectures are all about feminism, genderqueer stuff, racism and other lefty shit.

>> No.12654216

>>12650946
Cringe. Same argument with "the left only hates whites"

>> No.12654229

>>12653109
Why is it that anarchists are always the least knowledgable of the left?
Excluding centrists and socdems

>> No.12654531

>>12651662
You are not answering the main question: why does it seem to OP Xtianity gets pilloried by fedoras most often.

Founder's order to turn the other cheek, be gentle as doves, them that lives by sword die by sword; comes to mind. Cant be properlyand wholeheartedly psycho with these in your dogma oats.

Why not Judaism: has the highscore in BTFO already (6mil by normie understanding; hacks or sploits to get this number are beside the question), so its harder to hate them (getting easier tho); has political and literal capital, and b/c Blessings of Abraham and Covenant, not afraid to use them. Also, jewish scripture has precedence for fuckery by even theur heroes: Jacob fucks esau over, Samson uses a troll riddle, david lies to a pagan king (his benefactor) while secretly raiding that king's lands. They can cite that stuff and proceed with retaliation any day with a clear conscience.

Islam: sword and politics religion. Be an asshole enough of a kaffir, they can fatwa your punkass no trouble.

Christianity has no legit equal aggression response unless they use copes like Dvvs Vult and wear two swords.

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So much cope in this thread, its so cute :^)

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>>12650946
>did you ever notice people criticize the culture of people around them more immediately than foreigners
Boy it really makes the cognitive functions operate. Truly fine facilities for asking the hard questions Christians are bringing.

>> No.12654931

My new book is "Skepticism in the Age of Scientism: Only God Can Let Planes Fly."

>I was at once struck with this terrible argument in phil 101 and btfo everyone with my skepticism.

"Hm if science doesn't work, then why do plane fly?
Planes fly... Therefore, planes fly. Therefore, Science!"

>I coughed loudly, pulling out my Day Cart. "E-excuse me, sir, but don't you think you have to base our reality in one absolute truth, i.e., a God or Supersensibility, for any of this to work? Instead, you are going by mere sense data and reinforcement through circular reasoning..."
>The class was awestruck by my heresy against their natural Science. I guffawed as his new atheist eyebrows arched, embittered by my witty reply.

>> No.12654940

>>12654931
Planes fly based upon fundamental laws of physics, science is only a method for discovering what these laws are. It sure as shit didn't come from some old faggot on a stick or he'd at least have had the god given foresight to prove it in his biography.

>> No.12654942

>>12650946
>Could you imagine how ostracized Richard Dawkins would be if he published a book called “The Allah Delusion” or “The Yahweh Delusion”? Why is this?
>He thinks the Christian God's name is "God"
lol

>> No.12654947

>>12654940
Where do these fundamental laws come from, if not from God? They just /are/? Read Aquinas.

>> No.12654968

>>12654947
>Where do these fundamental laws come from
From the circumstance we happen to live in on Earth. Surely flying a plane on another planet would have entirely different rule sets. If it was fashioned by a maker why would he not have the same exact laws for all places everywhere?
>Read Aquinas.
Aquinas tried desperately to mental gymnastic Aristotle into Christianity and failed fucking hard principally because he didn't even understand the fundamental difference between a personal good and an impersonal force.

Educate yourself, pleb. Your questions are elementary and childish.

>> No.12654989

>>12654968
Are you asking why God didn't make every planet the same size and from the same matter? With all the same atmosphere? That's really dumb. Fundamental laws of physics work across all of those, just at a different propensity. God's ways are mysterious, all we can know are certain particulars and his existence ;)

>> No.12654998

>>12654989
You literally just said that God alone makes planes fly you fucking tard.

>> No.12655003

>>12654998
It was the title of a fake book to get this reply. God does make planes fly, with fundamental laws of physics.

>> No.12655010

>>12650946
Edgelords from a particular culture can only turn against it, solely based on familiarity. Atheism is a reaction based stance, and you can only react against something you are familiar with. It was a dumb question OP.

>> No.12655014

>>12654998
Do you really think everyone who believes in god denies the monolith of science? I only doubt it at first because it's based on reinforcement. READ MEDITATIONS BY DESCARTES TOO.

>> No.12655017

>>12654998
>he's actually bothering with someone who uses "god works in mysterious ways" as an argument

>> No.12655019

>>12652414
I want to believe, post the argument

>> No.12655024

>>12655003
Which God?
You'd think the Bible, had it been the word of God, would have mentioned it. Since it didn't you can safely discard it into the trash bin.

>> No.12655036

>>12655014
Stop suggesting books you know nothing about as an appeal to authority you fucking brainlet.
You don't even know what I was talking about when I destroyed Aquinas in one sentence.

>> No.12655041

>>12655024
The bible is a piece of literature, you're on a board called lit. God is the One and also Three. His existence comes through the world and also directly through Him.

>> No.12655043

>>12655036
Haven't read it all yet. Just on the Intro and easily getting you hot and bothered when I'm not even Christian

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>>12655043
>Haven't read it yet.
That much is clear.
Since instead of actually referring to specific statements you just list off writers as if it makes you look cultured.
I read way more than you do in case you needed more to trigger your insecurity problems

>> No.12655073

>>12655070
>calls me insecure
>goes on to show his insecurity

God be with you, anon.

>> No.12655080

>>12650946
The 'atheist community' has gone from rational arguments against religion (with specific points made against all religions) to merely an anti-christian movement for progressive liberals (see: atheism plus). The reason this has happened is because the whole movement, as soon as it gained traction and influence, was co-opted by jews who swerved it towards their own interests; namely, defending judaism from attack and steering and brewing hatred towards christianity exclusively because they want the west to be inundated with more and more islam and an anti-religious extremism movement will obviously, if left to its natural inclinations, be against that.

>> No.12655084

>>12655073
You're the insecure little fella who wanted to set the metric of the competition to avoid a real discussion, I'm just dismantling you in the rules you set, and in discussion. Sorry kid.

>> No.12655087

>>12655070
>a picture of books I’ve downloaded books proves I’ve read them all and have an academic understanding of them all
So this is the power of Atheism

>> No.12655091

>who is Ayaan Hirsi Ali
christfag snowflake npcs make me sick

>> No.12655094

>>12655084
My faith is iron, sir!

>>12655087
Also this desu... he really did nothing to prove Aquinas misunderstood Aristotle, did he? Chortle.

>> No.12655097

>>12655087
>READ DUNS SCOTUS BRO
>"I have, check my files"
>WOW I BET U DIDNT EVEN READ DUNS SCOTUS BRO
Whatever helps you cope, brainlet.

>> No.12655115

>>12655094
Wouldn't the original burden of proof be on you?
Why are Christcucks such ethically spineless hypocrites? Is it because your religion is Jewish?

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>>12650946
I'm in a fb atheist meme group run by a gay indian dude and they post a lot of anti-hindu and anti-islam shit. Atheism is just kids rebelling with fakts and logik against mommy and daddy, no matter where it crops up.

>> No.12655164

>>12655123
To be fair, Christianity in 2019 is just edgy kids rebelling against society/mommy and daddy too

>> No.12655169

>>12655164
on 4chan, yeah

>> No.12655175

>>12655164
Lets not pretend like zoomers adopting Christianity isn't contrarianism.

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>>12650946
>Christian
>massively butthurt by the existence of atheists
Has anyone here ever noticed this? Christians don’t seem secure in their own religion - a belief that there is a personal god of the Bible. The only other position on the matter I ever see them attack is atheism. I’ve never personally seen a so-called Christian rail against Judaism or Islam- the other two main monotheistic religions. Could you imagine how uninterested the congregation would be if the local baptist minister started using his pulpit time to attack Islam or Judaism? Could you imagine any book trying to make a case for Christianity over Judaism selling well or becoming a favorite of ministers? Why is this?

>> No.12655272

>>12650946
>stop bullying me

>> No.12655335

>>12655220
Have you ever met Christians who post about how evil Mohammad was, e.g. "he raped a little girl," "he told you how to piss properly"

>> No.12655347

>>12652509
Unemployment is a blessing from overproduction and efficiency in exploiting a worker.

>> No.12655354

>>12651287
How do you manage to ruin EVERY thread you post in?

>> No.12655379

>>12651691
why because they dont believe in widespread faggotry and liberalism like the jews force on cucked westerners?

>> No.12655494

>>12651611
no

>> No.12655574

>>12650946
It's the same in reverse. Christians exclusively go after Athiests. This thread for example.

>> No.12656516

>>12655220
dude people love it when farrakhan calls out the jews from the pulpit

>> No.12657175

>>12652453
wtf I love starving to death now

>> No.12657204

>>12653436
Ever been on /pol/?

>> No.12657296

>people still taking OP's assertion seriously when it was proven entirely wrong already

>>12654038
>>12654058

>> No.12657351

>>12655164
Not always.
I dabbled in Christianity last year myself when I was severely mentally ill.

>> No.12657365

>>12654689
There is something feeble and a little contemptible about somehow making it to old age and still thinking religion is just a bunch of comforting myths.

>> No.12657371

>>12655574
It's logical. Atheists are all God-hating sodomites.

>> No.12657484

>>12651310
based. we all know how spineless and unimaginative atheists are

>> No.12657531

>>12654182
>about feminism, genderqueer stuff, racism and other lefty shit.
If you're atheist you have literally no way around on not subscribing to this in some level.

>> No.12657613

>>12657531
I like pottery. Do I talk about pottery when I'm in a meeting about atheism?

>> No.12657666

>>12655041
baste

>> No.12657668

>>12657613
It has nothing to do with atheism; all the other shit is related because an enemy of all the whores, sodomites and communists is Christianity, so they make natural allies.

>> No.12657842

>>12657365
>There is something unsettling and uncomfortable to me personally about someone making it to old age and not buying into my preferred comforting myths.

>> No.12657861

>>12657531
nice false dichotomy. what is with christfags always trying to own things?
you don't have exclusivity over the right wing, and it is perfectly possible for an atheist to be a complete Nazi

>> No.12657916

>>12655574
Christians think anyone who's not a christian is automatically an "atheist". Just look at /pol/ and /his/.