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[Anonymous No.12646448]

Why did great writers like Hemingway, Hunter S.Thompson and David Foster Wallace kill themselves?

[Anonymous No.12646453]

>>12646448
>great writers like Hemingway, Hunter S.Thompson and David Foster Wallace

[Anonymous No.12646466]

>>12646453
>great
>Hunter S. Thompson
>Hemingway

[Anonymous No.12646644]

ill health
cancer
fraud

[Anonymous No.12646737]

>>12646448
I wish dfw killed himself as soon as he finished infinite jest

[Anonymous No.12646749]

>>12646448
DFW had clinical depression and problems with some pills.
inb4 retarded pasta. Fuck you.

[Anonymous No.12646758]

>>12646448
>great writers
>Hemingway, Hunter S.Thompson and David Foster Wallace
hmmmm

[Anonymous No.12646793]

Disgusting fish lips

[Anonymous No.12646847]

>>12646448
If only the piece of shit dfw killed himself earlier

[Anonymous No.12647286]

>>12646793
Why would you say this, you hateful hissyfitting heshe?

[Anonymous No.12647291]

I took a creative nonfiction course with him at Ponoma back in '94. We weren't allowed to show anyone our essays outside of the class for some reason. He seemed naturally intelligent, didnt need to look at any notes or textbooks or prepare for any lectures, he just knew his stuff and was super casual.

I saw him talking to a girl on campus one day. He uncharacteristically wore a Fila sweatsuit, the kind that looks like it's made from the same material as parachutes, and trainer sneakers with a matching bandana. That was his pussy hunt outfit apparently. Several times a week, same outfit, I'd see him hitting on women in it. I once saw him wearing it while carrying an identical outfit from the dry cleaners, he had like 4 sets of same Fila sweatsuit.

I asked him about it in class and he said we aren't allowed to discuss anything unrelated to class while inside class, the same way we can't show anyone outside of class our essays. A student called out "but Dostoevsky isn't in this class and last week you talked about replicating his black tea obsession to test its affects on your own writing". Wallace stared blankly at the student with dead eyes for 30 seconds in dead silence then said "you just got knocked down a full letter grade. Any other smart asses? Didn't think so." and pushed up his glasses with his index finger.

I remember telling myself this guy will either be super successful or kill himself.

[Anonymous No.12647353]

>>12647291
>He uncharacteristically wore a Fila sweatsuit, the kind that looks like it's made from the same material as parachutes, and trainer sneakers with a matching bandana. That was his pussy hunt outfit apparently. Several times a week, same outfit, I'd see him hitting on women in it. I once saw him wearing it while carrying an identical outfit from the dry cleaners, he had like 4 sets of same Fila sweatsuit.

as a tracksuit aficionado who once - full cringe disclosure - dressed in a full adidas suit (shoes/headband included) for a 2nd-year uni class; respect.

[Anonymous No.12647452]

>>12646453
>Hemmingway
Agree
>DFW, HST
Disagree

[Anonymous No.12647477]

>>12647291

Pretty good pasta

[Anonymous No.12647499]

Because despite being "successful" they were still fucked up human beings that suffered, hence the alcoholism of Hemingway, the drug use of HST and the narcissism of DFW.

[Anonymous No.12647607]

pic related changed my life.

Most mental issues are learned. Anxiety and depression are the result of a faulty, distorted view of the world or just plain old information that isn't adaptive anymore (schemas).
The problem is that: (a) you don't know what particular schema you need to unlearn, (b) you don't know how to unlearn it.
Your mind is mostly unconscious but most of your behavior is guided by this unconscious that was shaped by experience and learning.
The way towards actual transformation change is through a process called memory reconsolidation.
Through self-reflection you find these implicit emotional learnings underlying your behavior, you verbalize them so they can be integrated into conscious awareness and then you use the process of memory reconsolidation to change or erase that learning.
This leads to change that requires no counteracting or effort to upkeep, meaning, actual real change, not the behaviorism meme.

I managed to try out the techniques on myself in a self-help manner without a therapist (which isn't recommended) and I can verify that it's actually effective.
My depression and low self-esteem are seemingly gone and my anxiety has reduced significantly and weirdly, somehow different qualitatively.
I used to berate myself all day, just wake up and start self-loathing immediately, feel completely ashamed of myself.
Now, despite absolutely nothing changing in my life, I feel completely normal for the first time in ages.

Anyway, here's a nice primer on it.
http://www.coherencetherapy.org/files/Ecker-etal-NPT2013April-Primer.pdf

[Anonymous No.12647961]

>>12646749
Which pasta are you talking about?

[Anonymous No.12649396]

Can I get (You)?

[Anonymous No.12649515]

>>12649396
Sure here go

[Anonymous No.12649768]

Hemingway was old an neurotic at that point, Thompson was surrounded by degens his whole life and naturally fell into depressive thinking, and DFW was a sheltered WASP with serious gambling issues.

[Anonymous No.12649780]

>>12649768
>gambling addiction
https://youtu.be/9WIbwxGPA30

[Anonymous No.12650155]

>>12647961
>>12647291

[Anonymous No.12650178]

>>12647291
Does anybody know if this is true

[Anonymous No.12650204]

Many talented artists are also mentally unstable, prone to addictions etc.

Having said that it's almost always individual misery at least in part. I only know about Hemingway but he was a vain and insecure man who was very worried about growing older, worried that he'd never be able to match earlier work and also frustrated. He actively used his public persona of the ultimate man's man to draw interest for his work, with the result that everyone knew the famous writer Hemingway and much fewer actually read his novels. The man had been married four times and broken off affairs much more often. And in his late years he became ill and underwent electroshock therapy that made him hazy and forgetful. I think he was either afraid of actually going insane, or that he wanted to end it with some dignity and before really becoming a shell of his former self. Besides suicide ran in the Hemingway family and for whatever reason that greatly increases the odds to kill yourself too, whether that's a biological or a social thing.

[Anonymous No.12650211]

>>12646448
hack point but being smart is alienating. hate to say it, but it's true.

[Listening is like reading No.12650214]

>>12650178
old pasta

[Anonymous No.12650223]

>>12649780
>>12649768
dfw doesnt have a gambling addiction

[Listening is like reading No.12650231]

>>12646448
Captured has DFW chapter—very messed-up his whole life, very hard on himself

[Anonymous No.12650235]

>>12647286
cuz he got fishlips
im assumimg from how upset you got that you also have fishlips. or you're currently tripping on shrooms and have temporary ego-death, but what's more likely here mr fishlips?