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[Anonymous No.12639957]

This man unironically changed my life. I find myself agreeing with all of his opinions and often if I have a problem I'll try to look up his view on that problem.

I feel like I'm not thinking for myself because I'm not well versed in other ideologies. I want to learn and if I come back and happen to agree with Jordan Peterson than I will feel more genuine about my beliefs.

What should I read to fix this?

[Anonymous No.12639991]

>>12639957
congratulations, you're officially a midwit.

[Anonymous No.12640009]

>>12639991
hey anon check this out

i know you are but what am i :)

[Anonymous No.12640024]

>>12639991
Peterson himself is a midwit. His followers aren't even that. I think to consider anything that Peterson says revolutionary or insightful actually requires a double digit IQ.

[Anonymous No.12640045]

>>12640024
When I started applying ideas Peterson talked about, my life improved.

The argument I head normally is that he isnt revolutionary but most of those ideas I missed growing up. I don't think he was the first person to tell me to grow up but he is the first person who I happened to listen too

[Anonymous No.12640414]

>>12639957
>I'm not well versed in other ideologies
>What should I read to fix this?
Read other ideologies. Start with the Greeks, continue with the Romans, etc etc. Just look at the next chart thread.

[OP No.12640421]

>>12640414
I tried but that shit is so boring. I'm also a proud promiscuous homosexual if that makes a difference.

[Anonymous No.12640429]

> Mom: Anon, clean up your room, dear. It's such a mess.
> Mom: Try some vegetables, Anon ^^ they're healthy
> Mom: Go out and take a walk in the park this weekend. You can't spend your life playing Nintendo.

whatever MOM u don't own me stupid bitch

Jorgung Peberson: clean ur room, eat vegegables, and exerzize

wooow he is genius I love his ideology

[Anti-/lit/ !N4bnZoKwfU No.12640440]

I can't stand Guru Jordan Meme F. Daddy Peterson, PhD., but I think all young people go through phases of intense reliance on a single thinker they become enamored with.

I don't even know that this changes all that much as you get older. I was really into Bertrand Russell, Noam Chomsky, Chris Hedges, Norman Finkelstein when I was younger and I don't think I'm the worse for it. Nowadays I have other favorites. It's quite a relief when one discovers someone who seems to address problems you don't see emphasized elsewhere but which seem primary to your own mind.

But for fucks sake you can find a better guru than this shameless jackass who stands for absolutely nothing.

[Anonymous No.12640442]

>>12640421
>What should I read to fix this?
>Read
>I tried but that shit is so boring.
Fuck you leatherman you ask for something to read then say it's boring.
Vendetta thread

[Anonymous No.12640448]

He's a psychiatrist. You can't even understand him if you do not have a PhD.

[Anonymous No.12640451]

what did he mean by this?

[Anonymous No.12640454]

>>12640045
Peterson is like Laozi. His ideas are simple (probably as a necessity of his overall level of sagacity) but they are somehow profound in their simplicity.

[Anonymous No.12640456]

>>12639957
WASH

[Anonymous No.12640462]

>>12640421
not me :(
>>12640442
thanks anon

[Anonymous No.12640465]

>>12640456
YOUR

[Anonymous No.12640474]

>>12640465
pp

[Anonymous No.12640536]

>>12639957

There's nothing wrong with liking things that you like.

Don't let the insecure contrarian losers on 4chan tell you that there's something wrong with liking what you like.

That doesn't mean don't accept criticism, but don't take it from people who are sarcastic teenagers on here.

>I feel like I'm not thinking for myself because I'm not well versed in other ideologies.

Read the people he gets his information from, and people that disagree with those people.

His [Peterson's] main influences tend to be Nietzsche, Jung, Kierkegaard, Hicks etc... So read those people (not just Petersons interpretation of them) and read critiques of them. You'll find that on realms not related to psychology (his main field of study) there are a lot of critiques, so they'll be easy to find.

[Anonymous No.12640563]

>>12639957
I unironically liked his work until I saw him get shit on here. Now, after having listened to critique of his work, I listen to him and wait for him to gloss over important points. It's like he introduces major flaws into his own arguments on purpose. It is so predictable that it's spooky.

[Anonymous No.12640637]

>>12640536
Thanks anon

[Anonymous No.12640787]

>>12639957
For all the vitriol this man brings out in his detestors, history will be kind to him.

He's helped alot of people. He's not radical. His moral output is undoubtedly positive. I'm reminded of 'the Tempest,' this man is Prospero. He minipulates and controls events for the best outcome, and whilst some of his methodologies is controversial, his ultimate aim, just like that of the old, dieing Shakespeare, is peace on earth and for individuals.

As I a say, he is a good man and history will be kind to him, unless we as a species become more politically idealogical.

Embrace an aesthetic lifestyle anons, and realise that many of the tenants of Christianity is the absolute peak aesthetic. Evil is for the weak.

God bless Pepeson!

[Anonymous No.12640956]

>>12639957
When you were partying, I studied the collective unconscious.
When you were having premarital sex, I climbed the dominance hierarchy.
While you wasted your days at the gym in pursuit of vanity, I was tripping balls and writing a dream journal.
And now that the world is on fire, and the collectivists are at the gate, you have the audacity to come to me for help?

[Anonymous No.12641414]

>>12639957
Any good authors or recommendations in the self-help genre? Specifically, I'm looking for things like mental hygiene, organization, gaining ambition or discovering passion, and building routines. Anything on overcoming "people pleasing" or on being assertive would be nice also.

[Anonymous No.12641423]

>>12640440
I don't remember ever having this phase
I remember seeing people like that in high school and college, and it always struck me as incredibly inauthentic and intellectually dishonest.
It's like the ultimate appeal to authority.

[Anonymous No.12641429]

>>12640637
I love the women in these type of pics. Wish there were women like this irl

[Anonymous No.12641433]

>>12640440
Being a child is being into Russell or Chomsky. Being a man is when you abandon those for C.S. Lewis.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mwG/I9iowo No.12641447]

>>12641429
Agreed.
Frazetta knows what's poppin'.

[Anonymous No.12641463]

>>12639957
He's alright. If you haven't been through a depression or existential crisis you probably won't be able to relate to him, though.

There are parts where he's legitimately kinda weak (postmodernism, neo-marxism, some politics...), but that doesn't invalidate everything else he says.

[Anonymous No.12641523]

>>12640787
Is this a copypasted youtube comment I cannot tell at this point.

[Anonymous No.12641554]

>>12641523
It is truth and you know it!

[Anonymous No.12641558]

>>12640454

That’s what genius is. Profoundly simple. If dats what you ain’t is den you ain’t smart.

[Anonymous No.12641559]

>>12639957
>I'm not well versed in other ideologies

then read zizek, he's in the opposite side of the political spectrum but also deal with PC culture, society and meaning and the dinamics of ideology
if you find his "poststructuralist" views boring maybe try with noam chosmky
in any case you'll need some fundamental grasp of philosphy, so you better start with that

[Anonymous No.12641591]

He's pretty good at psychology but when he dabbles on philosophy he sorta loses it. His entire argument against moral relativism boils down to "it doesn't lead to a better future", which is pretty laughable considering he then builds his entire case on it. You could compare him to sam harris in his way to just handwave opposition away and that's that

Also his take on "post-modern marxism" is incoherent gibberish.

Like that one anon said, read the people who influenced him, and those he heavily opposes

[Anonymous No.12641676]

>>12641591
>it doesn't lead to a better future

Well that's a pretty good argument. Unless you want a worst future.

>Also his take on "post-modern marxism" is incoherent gibberish.

Why?

[Anonymous No.12641722]

>>12641463
OP here
I've been depressed before

[Anonymous No.12641746]

>>12641676
That's not a good argument, that's a naive argument that ignores literally thousands of years of debate. The whole point of moral relativism is that good and bad are subjective, morals are subjective. And Peterson debunks this by saying "no, that's a bad way to think".

He also grossly misinterpret the philosophists he draws inspiration from, like Nietzsche. I suggest you read what they themselves said, I have a feeling Peterson has heard of them from second-hand sources and draws conclusions from there. Always check the source

>Why?
Explain to me in your own words what post-modern marxism is, as you've understood it from Peterson

[Anonymous No.12641749]

>>12639957
Neeeeeetzhzuch

[Anonymous No.12641766]

It doesn't matter what any of you say. Because of him I started changing my life for good. For the first time I started running and lifting without quitting after few weeks. I went to travel. I went on my first dates. I started reading non-fiction. Plenty of meaningful shit.

No, I wouldn't have done that reading stuff from whoever influenced Peterson. No, I didn't listen to my mother who encouraged me to do most of this stuff years ago. All it took was one rambling, confident man that had atleast some amount of psychology to back him up.

He's so influential because in the modern (relativist) world people withdraw from making any solid claims and statements, because the world is complex and we can never fully understand all the aspects of it and our lives. The psychologist community stays back, doing research but avoids making any statements outside of patients' rooms, or even inside them.

He might just be one big brainlet but I don't care. The much needed change in my life, the mid 20's change Peterson raves so much about, has already happened. My trajectory is already going to a healthy direction and it will keep on heading there the rest of my life. I have no more need for Peterson and I won't listen to his philosophy, politics or religious views any more, since I've already passed that point and am looking for new info and new views of life on my own.

I doubt any other person, dead or alive, could've sparked a change of this scale within me. He was using the rights word in the right time for me and many other people. I do believe there will be many people like him coming after him, and he becomes obsolete.

[Anonymous No.12641772]

>>12640024
you are retarded if you actually believe peterson is midwit.
All shilling/blind hating aside, watch his lectures, not political discussions/debates, and his knowledge is evident.
His lectures on Psychological Significance of Biblical Stories is excellent. He knows his psychology very well, and for a non-philosopher he knows a lot of philosophy as well as literature.
He is very smart, extremely well read and well educated

[Anonymous No.12641783]

juden peterstein

[Anonymous No.12641791]

>>12641766
careful with the dogma bro

[Anonymous No.12641795]

>>12641783
Stop sullying this site you evil coward

[Anonymous No.12641797]

>>12641746
Nah I've read Nietzsche. He write beautifuly but he's also severly autistic.

I also don't think JP ignores the complexity of things. But there is interpretations of good and evil that are far more useful for the betterment of society and going "hu well it's all relative anyway) do nothing at best and allow you to moralize terrible things at worst.

>Explain to me in your own words what post-modern marxism is, as you've understood it from Peterson

Egalitarians using moral remativisms to undermine the current system for a bunch of differents motivations. I remeber him quoting the tarantula chapter from zarathustra once.

[Anonymous No.12641820]

>>12641746
>The whole point of moral relativism is that good and bad are subjective, morals are subjective
This tells me you've never read any moral philosophy on moral relativism, since subjective ethical relativism is only one kind of moral relativism and not even the most defensible kind.

[Anonymous No.12641824]

>>12639957