/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.12623459]

books to teach an 18yo guy masculinity?

[Anonymous No.12623474]

Mein Kampf

[Anonymous No.12623478]

>>12623459
Stop watching porn

[Anonymous No.12623483]

watch more porn

[Anonymous No.12623487]

read the sticky

[Anonymous No.12623499]

>>12623459
get in fights and have sex with girls, that will teach you more about masculinity than any book ever could .

[Anonymous No.12623515]

Read about aesthetics, hygiene, evolutionary behavior biology, lifestyle marketing, fitness, and self actualization.

Lust is visual.
Love is consensual slavery.

[Anonymous No.12623524]

>>12623499
Womanly behavior desu

[Anonymous No.12623530]

>>12623524
>fightless, kissless virgin cope

[Anonymous No.12623536]

>>12623530
But I have a fight coming up soon and I've gotten the clap twice

[Anonymous No.12623542]

>>12623530
>

[Anonymous No.12623547]

>>12623474
This

[Anonymous No.12623551]

>>12623542
>>>/lgtb/

[Anonymous No.12623562]

>>12623524
>being combatative is a female trait
No wonder Western faggots are going extinct lmao.

[Anonymous No.12623564]

>>12623551
>posts two twinks
Not helping your argument, m8.

[Anonymous No.12623568]

>>12623564
>twinks
enjoy your hiv, faggot.

[Anonymous No.12623574]

>>12623459
read marcus aurelius

[Anonymous No.12623577]

>>12623562
Nah, everyone I know who's super aggro and vocal about it are super neurotic wimps. Stop acting like a nigger

[Anonymous No.12623578]

>>12623474
for fuck sake you guys are pathetic, Mein Kampf is terribly written and complete nonsense, try actually reading what you shill

[Anonymous No.12623583]

>>12623562
African-Americans have more estrogen than whites. Therefore their aggressive nature is all chocked up to their femininity, contrary to the popular belief that they're more masculine than other races.

[Anonymous No.12623595]

>>12623568
>he's not prep'd
faglord

[Anonymous No.12623598]

>>12623578
>>12623583
>performing mental gymnastics to justify your existence as a harmless pushover

[Anonymous No.12623619]

>>12623577
cope harder, pozzloader.

[Anonymous No.12623620]

>>12623598
>justify your existence as a harmless pushover
I'm literally advocating that my own gender is more violent than yours. I could put you into the fucking ground but God was gracious enough to make women with less muscle mass and less hypertrophy because he, too, lives in fear of what he's created.

[Anonymous No.12623632]

>>12623620
Your hrt psychosis is shining through now.

[Anonymous No.12623705]

>>12623459
is there anything more feminine that trying to be "masculine"...

[Anonymous No.12623788]

Jack Donovan’s books: (The Way of Men. A Sky Without Eagles. Becoming a Barbarian. A More Complete Beast.)

For more info on traditional male hobbies, grooming habits, trades, etc. check out artofmanliness.com or the books created by the website’s author.

The histories of Thucydides and Herodotus.

Machiavelli’s The Prince.

The 48 Laws of Power by Robert Greene.

The Rise of Theodore Roosevelt by Edmund Morris and its two sequels. Roosevelt was the youngest man to become U.S. President and is perhaps the only man to ever receive both the Nobel Peace Prize and the Medal of Honor.

Meditations by Marcus Aurelius.

To understand why feminists and feckless bugmen (such as the ones in this thread criticizing the concept of masculinity) are so assblasted about virility, check out Nietzsche’s Genealogy of Morals.

[Anonymous No.12623813]

>>12623788
people who have to learn masculinity are inherently unmasculine.
This is why i can feel the insecurity dripping off your post.
Also, can pol give up on trying to force meme "bug man" .
its not happening

[Anonymous No.12623816]

>>12623788
>artofmanliness.com

[Anonymous No.12623825]

>>12623816
Why are autistic kids so cute :3
*sweats profusely and saves the gif into my "special" folder whilst snickering asthmatically causing my neck fat to jiggle*

[Anonymous No.12623827]

books are for nerds and make your brain produce estrogen
books talk about things
talking is for girls
men smash no talk

[Anonymous No.12623828]

>>12623788
>masculine grooming habits
HAHAHAH holy shit you are fucked

[Anonymous No.12623833]

>>12623827
this but unironically

[Anonymous No.12623835]

>>12623827
>>12623833
You're both twinks.

[Anonymous No.12623847]

>>12623835
I could beat your bitch ass, doe

[Anonymous No.12623858]

>>12623578
cringe

[Anonymous No.12623859]

>>12623847
o-ok

[Anonymous No.12623879]

>>12623459
The Foundation for Exploration

[Anonymous No.12623907]

>>12623813
>people who have to learn masculinity are inherently unmasculine.

Yeah. Just like how when people participate in athletic training it means that they're inherently nonathletic—or how if someone cultivates an artistic talent they're inherently untalented. I'm guessing you're one of those "I'm smart but just unmotivated" retards.

>>12623828
I'm talking about subjects such as traditional shaving (straight/safety razors), boot and shoe maintenance, etc.

[Anonymous No.12623923]

Those who are obsessed with or really even ever think of masculinity are rarely the most masculine and women are more obsessed than any man. Just be good and you’ll be fine

[Anonymous No.12623937]

>>12623478
How do I do this I've been trying to stop for a year, but keep failing after a week. What the fuck am I missing or am I just weak and need to man up?

[Anonymous No.12623941]

>>12623459
1. Stop masturbating
2. Fistfight your dad
3. Fistfight your dad

[Anonymous No.12623946]

>>12623459
Death in Venice.

[Anonymous No.12623967]

>>12623941
he's at the tail end of boomerdom and i'm at tail end of millenialdom

>>12623946
gay

[Anonymous No.12623988]

It may make you sad, or uncomfortable, but this is what peak masculinity looks like.

[Anonymous No.12623994]

1. pic related
2. Make Your Bed - Admiral William H. McRaven (U.S. Navy Retired)
3. 12 Rules for Life - Jordan Peterson

[Anonymous No.12624005]

>>12623941
based

[Anonymous No.12624008]

>>12623474
Hitler was a terrible writer! Or, if he had not really written it, but actually had Rudolf Hess do the typing, his thoughts were often jumbled-up and going on and on, rambling. There is a reason that there are YouTube videos revolving around Adolf Hitler rants, not just the Downfall movie.

[Anonymous No.12624011]

>>12623574
>read marcus aurelius
>>12623788
>Meditations by Marcus Aurelius.
>>12623994
>1. pic related

clear winner so far

[Anonymous No.12624015]

>>12623937
Get a job or somethin and you won’t have time to fap all day.

[Anonymous No.12624029]

>>12624015
I have a job but it's not fulfilling. And I still have plenty of time to jerk off.

[Anonymous No.12624036]

>>12624015
>time
I don't get this. I spend max like 10-20 min on porn sites. Nut and sleep is the routine

[Anonymous No.12624041]

>>12623478
>Stop watching porn
>>12623483
>watch more porn

Neither is correct. Realizing what porn is, is the important thing.

[Anonymous No.12624055]

The Iliad

[Anonymous No.12624059]

>>12623459
https://balioc.wordpress.com/2016/11/30/the-phantom-men-ness/amp/

Understand masculinity before trying to practice it

[Anonymous No.12624100]

>>12624059
You're such a bawling faggot.

[Anonymous No.12624165]

>>12624036
Then don’t sound like a problem

[Anonymous No.12624189]

>>12623459
Go camping deep in the woods for 3 nights.

[Anonymous No.12624212]

>>12624100
What’s your objection? Your reply is brainless

[Anonymous No.12624225]

>>12623459
Musashi, by Eiji Yoshikawa

i don't usually reveal this in real life but that book has shaped my thinking and behavior more than any other.

[Anonymous No.12624226]

>>12623459
Reading books alone isn't enough, but there are some books that have good insights on this topic. Pic related, for example.

[Anonymous No.12624227]

>>12623459
Actions teach masculinity. Masculinity is all about deeds, not appearances. It cannot be understood without first hand experience.

[Anonymous No.12624273]

>>12624227
maybe in the eyes of others. But for the man himself masculinity is more of a framework his actions are based on. Actions are what others see and decides how they view you, but the actions are just the result of what goes on in your head, more like the physical manifestation of your masculinity rather than the thing itself.
Your right in that isn't appearances, but it's more like the soil than what grows out of it.

[Anonymous No.12624308]

>>12624273
The point I was trying to make is that it doesn't matter what masculinw things go on in your head, if you lack the heart to make them manifest physically.

[Anonymous No.12624494]

>>12623459
A Fan's Notes by Frederick Exley

[Anonymous No.12624525]

Bro nothing but life itself can teach you about what it means to be a man.Get dumped by a woman you loved for a black guy etc. etc. Once you've acquired knowledge than you can apply theories of your liking.

[Anonymous No.12624567]

Epictetus
Musonius Rufus
Boethius

>>12623499
This is a very uneducated opinion. The opinion of someone who learned about life reading A Song of Ice and Fire. Being promiscuous or fighting for no reason doesn't make you a manly man. Being promiscuous makes you someone ruled by your base desires. Fighting for no reason makes you someone not fit for human society rather than manly.

A real man is one with self control. A tough man who doesn't depend on pleasure and comfort to be satisfied with life. Someone with emotional control who doesn't get angry or depressed needlessly.

[Anonymous No.12624571]

>>12624567
t. virgin

[Anonymous No.12624580]

>>12624571
Your way of thinking is feminine.

[Anonymous No.12624587]

>>12623459
When I was 12, my uncle teached me what a real men is.

[Anonymous No.12624591]

>>12624580
You're a virgin.

[Anonymous No.12624633]

>>12623578
>>12624008
Have you guys legit read Mein Kampf or are you just spouting memes you heard?
I am actually reading Mein Kampf right now, yes it is a slow book but Hitler makes a lot of interesting points that make a lot of sense.

[Anonymous No.12624637]

>>12623459
The Game.

[Anonymous No.12624847]

>>12624055
this

[Anonymous No.12624896]

>>12623578
>terribly written
regardless of what you think of hitler, mein kampf is anything but.

[Anonymous No.12625132]

The Mother of All Questions by Rebecca Solnit
War's Unwomanly Face by Svetlana Alexievich
These are (I can't believe I have to say this, but "unironically") excellent reads for giving you some perspective on the views of masculinity that will be forced on you for your entire life. There are no hard and fast rules for how to live- that's for you to decide- but getting perspective is how you can inform yourself on what decisions you want to make.

[Anonymous No.12625149]

>>12624637
Darn.... I just lost....

[Anonymous No.12625172]

A lot of spooks here

[Anonymous No.12625184]

>>12623474
unironically, if you want ultramasculinity take the fascist pill anon

[Anonymous No.12625263]

>>12624633
His experiences in vienna are very similar to conversations and encounters I've had and that we see playing out all over today

[Anonymous No.12625382]

OH NO NO NO NO NO

[Anonymous No.12625428]

>>12624525
>Get dumped by a woman you loved for a black guy

The cope is unreal with this one

[Anonymous No.12625567]

There's nothing wrong with Art of Manliness

[Anonymous No.12625573]

>>12623459
You can't read your way into a set of instincts. Actually you will have to let go of your neuroticism, not nurture it.
Go play a team sport, spend more time in nature, lift, etc.
"Reading about masculinity" will lead you into this odd rule-focused vain parody of masculinity we see on the chan boards and especially reddit.

[Anonymous No.12625580]

>>12625573
i'm still trying to get a job. i could ride my bike alone and shit, but i'm reading to get more advice

[Anonymous No.12625586]

>>12625580
This is one of those areas where advice can only harm you. It's more about practice.

[Anonymous No.12625596]

>>12625573
>"Reading about masculinity" will lead you into this odd rule-focused vain parody of masculinity we see on the chan boards and especially reddit.
This, you don't want to end up as some guy with a lumberjack shirt who thinks about his beard a lot.

[Anonymous No.12625602]

>>12623459
Unironically the greeks. Also go to live sports and yell at people from the opposing team.

[Anonymous No.12625616]

Read some of Haruki Murakami's more bildungsroman styled novels: Kafka on the Shore, Norwegian Wood. His young men going through coming-of-age scenarios should inspire certain feelings in you.

[Anonymous No.12625630]

>>12625596
Or some pickup artist. The only reason their autistic preplanned approaches work is because they camouflage their overthinking bitch personalities from view just barely long enough to get into some poor bedroom. She was gonna go home with anyone above a 6 who didnt give her serial killer vibes anyway but ok, let's put a notch in the belt and feel special about our skills. Anachronistic favoring of whiskey and cigars and leather workwear for your fuckin tech job.

[Anonymous No.12625658]

>>12625573
I disagree.
I think that to be manly, you need to have an idea of what manliness is.
The guy with a lumberjack shirt who thinks about his beard a lot or the PUA are not manly. Their problem is not that they have read too much, but that they lack knowledge of what manliness is.

[Anonymous No.12625662]

>>12624226
don't trust this poster he's trying to turn you gay

[Anonymous No.12625666]

>>12623459
Being a man means being a person of good character. It is a moral position. It is not about fucking women, being a slave to your passions, degrading yourself to the status of a beast -- indeed, such a thing would render you less than a man. Read Marcus Aurelius.

[Anonymous No.12625677]

>>12625658
Like anything that's felt rather than known, you could memorize all the definitions and step by step methods you want without accessing the part of yourself that produces it.
In fact, reading about it puts more cerebral barriers between you and feeling and acting it. Not to mention the opportunity that presents to ideologues and propagandists who would like your aspirational definition of masculinity to serve them.

[Anonymous No.12625688]

>>12625677
Having the knowledge of what is manly is better than not having it. The problem of the men you used as examples is that they had a false belief of what masculinity is.
If you have this false belief, how can you be cured of it?

[Anonymous No.12625829]

>>12625688
How can you be sure of the truth of your belief? Are you so sure you have the right idea if it's all been fed to you by other people?

[Anonymous No.12625832]

>>12623459
Book of pook
No more mr nice guy

[Anonymous No.12625902]

>>12625829
Aren't you changing your argument? You were arguing that acquiring this knowledge won't make someone manlier. Now you are arguing that one can't be sure to having this knowledge.

[Anonymous No.12626084]

>>12625902
No I'm not changing it. The knowledge doesn't help for many reasons, one of which is that you can't be sure to "know" about something this instinctual and internal.

[Anonymous No.12626155]

>>12623459
bronze age mindset
baki the grappler

[Anonymous No.12626176]

>>12625263
>His experiences in vienna are very similar to conversations and encounters I've had
Could you name a few examples?

[Anonymous No.12626262]

>>12626084
But you did change the argument. Your first argument is very different from your second one.

[Anonymous No.12626272]

>>12624227
>about deeds, not appearances.
Appearances matter, mannerisms, how you carry yourself matters very much

[Anonymous No.12626288]

>>12626272
You sound like a tumblr activist

[Anonymous No.12626295]

>>12626262
I said reading is bad because it puts too much thinking into the mix and makes a healthy instinctual prosocial process into a neurotic cerebral activity, you said but it's good to have an idea of an end goal for masculinity like it's a goal of some kind, I said some ideas are false, you agreed that false ideas are counterproductive to the goal, I said so how can you be sure your own ideas are true, you said I changed my argument.
Don't be so weird about conversations, I'm not moving the goal posts I'm responding to your points in turn. This is exactly what I'm talking about with the counterproductive nature of neurotic rule-based thinking in normal human activities like conversation or being a male.

[Anonymous No.12626552]

>>12626295
OP already said he wants to be manlier. If you want to be manlier, you need to know what being manly is and mostly what it isn't. If you don't even know what manly is, how can that be your target?

But how do you know what being manly is? Either you are born with that knowledge or you learn it somehow. Given OP is asking, he doesn't know it. Given the many men who believe manliness comes from cosplaying as a lumberjack or sleeping with easy women, they also were not born with this knowledge or they lost it. So, it is unlikely many men innately have this knowledge. Most modern men are not very manly either.

But how do you acquire the knowledge of the concept of manly? By studying and reflecting on it. With this knowledge, then you can reflect on how to achieve it.

Let's take the example of temperance. If you want to be temperate you need to know what temperance is and why it is good. As you said, only the knowledge of what it is won't make you temperate, but with the knowledge of what it is, you can then study how to achieve it. Otherwise you will be blind.

[Anonymous No.12626564]

>>12626552
Lmao

[Anonymous No.12626580]

>>12624567
Masking your cowardice and passivity behind philosophy and rhetoric isn't manly either.

[Anonymous No.12626646]

>>12626580
You have never read Musonius or Epictetus.

[Anonymous No.12626664]

>>12626646
Epic"dont get mad about someone fucking your wife its outside of your control"tetus

[Anonymous No.12626699]

read stoics

[Anonymous No.12626702]

>>12626176
This exchange probably :^)

[Anonymous No.12626710]

>>12626580
It's not cowardice or passivity, it's adapting to what has happened and moving on instead of being a brainlet that thinks yelling is going to undo something that's already happened

[Anonymous No.12626768]

>>12626664
Epictetus would divorce his wife without anger or sadness. Which is the best reaction.

[Anonymous No.12626778]

>>12626710
>it's adapting to what has happened and moving on instead of being a brainlet that thinks yelling is going to undo something that's already happened
What if someone is causing you distress by continually insulting you and molesting you and there is nothing you can do to stop them?

[Anonymous No.12626780]

>>12623459
Let him read the Stoics, Hemingway and Dostoevsky.

Also get him to go to a gym to lift weights and make him do something outdoors like hiking or climbing.

Masculinity come naturally for a man once he has the right mindset and experiences.

[Anonymous No.12626805]

masculinity is something that naturally comes from being a biological male socialised among fellow males, it emerses. it's not some self-helpy lifestyle that is taught theoretically.

if you need to get your masculinity from books you're already fucked. seek out masculine environments instead.

[Anonymous No.12626806]

>>12626778
Do something about it. And if you can't do something about it, then whats the point in wasting bad emotions on it? And if life is really too unbearable, then you can always end it yourself.

[Anonymous No.12626833]

>>12626805
Most modern man are not very masculine.

[Anonymous No.12626865]

>>12626833
2019 construction workers aren't exactly spartans but it's still better than listening to some effete frogposter talking about room cleaning

[Anonymous No.12626907]

>>12626865
Most modern men are not stoic construction workers. You will have a better example of manliness reading Cicero or Plato than with your average modern man.

[Anonymous No.12626912]

>>12626833
Slave morality. We teach our kids that weakness is virtue and strength is oppressive. Also sedentary live styles and crappy food. Being physically inactive and malnourished leads to low testosterone. Weak bodies lead to insecurity. Lack of real life experience leads to anxiety.

[Anonymous No.12626954]

>>12626778
Are you asking what to do in a situation where you specifically state that nothing you do will change the situation?

[Anonymous No.12627181]

>>12626907
You won't, because autistic systematising is no proper alternative to learning by example. The ancients didn't stress the role of personal mentorship for no reason.

[Anonymous No.12627223]

>>12626833
Play beer league football or rugby, hang out with your dad and bros doing something other than vidya or TV, or just spend time in nature by yourself.

[Anonymous No.12627247]

>>12626805
>if you need to get your masculinity from books you're already fucked. seek out masculine environments instead

Unless you're using those books to give you an idea of where to look for those environments.

Also, your argument that "if you have to seek out something then you're beyond help" is full of holes. It's also lazy. If you believe there's no point in going after something just because you weren't born with it that's fine—you can go ahead and wallow in your indolent mediocrity.

It's not as though a man comes out of the womb knowing how to do everything. You learn by either seeking things out or having the knowledge forced on you. As modern society is no longer forcing masculinity on men in the same way that it used to then it makes sense to go looking for where to find it. Also, as much as society and feminism have attempted to eschew the value of masculinity, they still revere it. (In fact, they value the traits of masculinity so much that they're telling women to espouse masculine values as well.)

[Anonymous No.12627333]

>>12623941

I fistfaught my dad as a teen and it's the worst memory I have. Sometimes the look in his eyes as he realised that he had punched his own son keeps me up late at night

[Anonymous No.12627340]

>>12623459
Learn to dance

[Anonymous No.12627342]

>>12627247
Nobody writes a book or makes a YouTube video without something to gain. The money from just waiting a good book or making a good video doesn't outweigh the price of doing so, therefore every book or tutorial video on masculinity is created by someone who would like you to hold masculine values that benefit them. Since its 2019 and theres more memeoids than people, they are willing to accept shilling an ideology or worldview for self care.
Hence, political "real man"-isms, masculine identity marketing for unnecessary goods, etc.

[Anonymous No.12627348]

>>12623459
You disgust me.

[Anonymous No.12627362]

>>12623578
cringe and bluépilled

[Anonymous No.12627396]

>>12627342
Stop with this black and white posting and shitty wisdoms, it's boring and you're not as smart as you think you are.

[Anonymous No.12627430]

>>12623459
Read or watch fist of the northstar

[Anonymous No.12627448]

>>12623499
This isn't how to be a man. This is how to be a dumb nigger who is a slave to his desires and low impulse control.

[Anonymous No.12627453]

>>12624591
Projecting.

[Anonymous No.12627462]

>>12623619
t. 80 IQ

[Anonymous No.12627498]

>>12627430
2nd

[Anonymous No.12627503]

>>12627430
Alternatively, Kung Fu

[Anonymous No.12627787]

>>12627181
We don't have examples nowadays and the mentors of the Ancient times were supposed to know a whole lot of "autistic theorizing".

[Anonymous No.12627828]

>>12624633
>Hitler makes a lot of interesting points
if you're an idiot perhaps

[Anonymous No.12627847]

>>12623620
Painting source?

[Anonymous No.12628035]

>>12627787
if you can't find any example of a worthwhile man living today i suggest just figuring stuff out on your own because if no living person can live a life worth living now, dead guys who lived in completely different worlds won't help either.

[Anonymous No.12628039]

>>12627847
Giovanni Battista Tiepolo's Queen Zenobia Addressing Her Soldiers

[Anonymous No.12628098]

>>12623459
read odyssey and notice how telemachus who grew up without his father starts to man up and face life's adversity.

[Anonymous No.12628143]

>>12623788

Seconding "The Way of Men". It's very concise and makes some interesting abstract observations. Becoming a Barbarian gets a bit political/incel tier.

[Anonymous No.12628153]

>>12623459
Go on a road trip and discover yourself. This may sound cheesy but it's a good thing to do at least once.

[Anonymous No.12628238]

>>12627333
doesn't matter, did you win? If you won you are a man

[Anonymous No.12628262]

>>12623459
Get a job lol

[Anonymous No.12628421]

>>12624567
Interesting... Thanks for the advice

[Anonymous No.12628712]

i'm working on getting a job so i can do just this. just ride around the country. not sure where the fuck to go though

[Anonymous No.12628725]

>>12626580
aurelius was literally a general on campaign for most of his life

[Anonymous No.12628803]

>>12623459
ride the tiger
men among the ruins

[Anonymous No.12628867]

Bros is gender really performative?

[Anonymous No.12628895]

king, warrior, magician, lover
interesting read and probably the closest thing you are looking for but saturated with occult nonsense

[Anonymous No.12628974]

>>12625666
>Being a man means being a person of good character.

Not really. What ”good character” is or what constitutes a “good man” is dictated by society and changes over time. Instead of focusing on being a good man focus on being good at being a man. This is the thesis of The Way of Men.

[Anonymous No.12629089]

>>12624036
>>12623937
try to jerk off w/o it and realize how hard it is. realized how fucked my brain was and that motivated me to stop. gradually i stopped jerking off so much and now i just do it when i naturally feel like i should, which is about every 2 weeks.

we're all gonna make it

[Anonymous No.12629165]

>>12629089
>tfw haven't jacked off in in two weeks and had a wet dream and came all over my sheets

Fug :-OO

[Anonymous No.12629266]

>>12629165
better to wash your sheets than let that shit ruin your brain

[Anonymous No.12629273]

>>12623499
>t. Boy
>>12623524
This.