/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.12612852]

Why are people so obsessed with depression? It's making me sick.

[Anonymous No.12612855]

It's an excuse for being a shitty person.

[Anonymous No.12612862]

>>12612855
It isn't an excuse but it is sometimes an explanation.

[Anonymous No.12612871]

Ok hold on... hear me out ok. Depression and anxiety are modern memes, I'm not saying we didn't suffer in the past, but depression and anxiety are phenomena that do not have inherent existence, and they spread culturally.

[Anonymous No.12612873]

>>12612852
It's mostly white folks who do this because they can't deal with their dystopian world they've built for themselves. Inceldom and depression are products of white culture.

[Anonymous No.12612876]

Depression doesn't even really exists.

[Anonymous No.12612881]

>>12612852

They're deficient in vitamin D and omega-3 fats

[Anonymous No.12612885]

>have a noose slowly tightening around your neck
>wtf why are people so obsessed with suffocation

[Anonymous No.12612888]

>>12612881
literally makes no perceivable difference in the amount of negative emotion I experience

[Anonymous No.12612901]

Depression serves as both an explanation and justification for shitty behavior. If somebody wants to act in an anti-social way they have a ready made excuse for themselves and other people. Depression is taken to be a real thing by people so these anti-social people become irreproachable.

[Anonymous No.12613162]

>>12612852
/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.12613297]

>>12612885
Just cut the noose off with a good knife m8
Just cast the depression aside and smile
Just

[Anonymous No.12613304]

>>12613297

[Anonymous No.12613314]

>>12612888
Becaues you don't have depression

[Anonymous No.12613354]

>>12613304
thanks fren

[Anonymous No.12613373]

>>12612871
Prove it

[Anonymous No.12613389]

>>12612873
Wtf are you talking about? Depression is widespread amoung African Americans and migrants. Yes white people have been getting more depressed as the middle class continues to decay. The only new thing is middle class depression, depression has always been a problem for poor people.

[Anonymous No.12613468]

It's a personalizable term describing a vast amount of unpleasant symptons a number of people in our current milieu experience. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy and an 'excuse for bad behavior' only insofar as it creates that behavior retroactively, then allows repentance (I did THAT, I'm such a horrible person, no, I'm just experiencing Depression). It's a 'scientifically' comfortable demonology to use in a world where atheism is in vogue.

[Anonymous No.12613475]

>>12613373
https://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/10/magazine/10psyche-t.html

[Anonymous No.12613505]

depression is a contemplative state of mind.
emotionally dead, so you can try to think critically on your next move.
many use writing for the catharsis is provides to someone feeling depressed.
its just been going on for so long that the depressed writer was culturally adopted,because subconsiously depression equals truth as it seems to be a profound realization of suffering that ia inherent in human nature and society.

its also why many great wordsmiths are on a path to self destruction becuase they are encouraged to be depressed.

[Anonymous No.12613531]

>>12613505
embarrassingly misinformed gibberish

[Anonymous No.12613534]

>>12613389
Only white people turn depression into a personality trait though.

[Anonymous No.12613657]

>people still trying to argue depression is just being sad for a while

You can be depressed and still be happy or have fun. It's a mood modifier, not your momentary emotional state. That's why retards think you can just "will" yourself to not be depressed; they were sad one time, usually for tangible and normal reasons, and then they stopped being sad when they fixed or waited out those problems.
The best description of depression is in practical terms, a physical weight that you have to carry. When you're healthy and having a good time, the weight is easy to hold and imperceptible. When you're sick or miserable, the weight is crushing and makes even simple tasks exhausting.

[Anonymous No.12613765]

>>12613657
>happy or have fun
>when depressed
>having a good time
>when depressed

lol

[Anonymous No.12613771]

>>12612871
When it is stated in Genesis that God said to Adam, “Only from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you must not eat,” it follows as a matter of course that Adam really has not understood this word, for how could he understand the difference between good and evil when this distinction would follow as a consequence of the enjoyment of the fruit. When it is assumed that the prohibition awakens the desire one acquires knowledge instead of ignorance, and in that case Adam must have had knowledge of freedom, because the desire was to use it. The explanation is therefore subsequent. The prohibition induces in him anxiety, for the prohibition awakens in him freedom’s possibility.What passed by innocence as the nothing of anxiety has now entered into Adam, and here again it is a nothing-the anxious possibility of being able. He has no conception of what he is able to do; otherwise-and this it what usually happens-that which comes later, the difference between good and evil, would have to be presupposed. Only the possibility of being able is present as a higher form of ignorance, as a higher expression of anxiety, because in a higher sense it both is and is not, because in a higher sense he both loves it and flees from it.

[Anonymous No.12613826]

>>12613765
I’ve wanted to kill myself every day for years simply to get away from the full-on mental and emotional pain and uncomfortableness which was the baseline of my existence, and he’s right. Depression doesn’t mean you can’t have fun in certain moments. It’s actually pretty much like what that guy said: a general weight on everything. A depressed person who eats ice cream obviously is physically enjoying the taste in that moment, for instance.

[Anonymous No.12613830]

>>12613765
Being depressed doesn't make you incapable of experiencing emotionally positive reactions. It just tends to blunt and truncate those moments while making negative reactions more difficult to manage.

[Anonymous No.12614130]

>>12612855
>It's an excuse for being a shitty person.
I'm starting to get this impression, too

[Anonymous No.12615336]

>>12613468
>It's a 'scientifically' comfortable demonology to use in a world where atheism is in vogue.
I think this guy here nailed it

[Anonymous No.12615354]

>>12612871
It existed in the past, it just wasn't known, like many other diseases. People in the past thought the flu was caused by evil spirits, c'mon.

[Anonymous No.12615537]

>>12613657
>That's why retards think you can just "will" yourself to not be depressed; they were sad one time, usually for tangible and normal reasons, and then they stopped being sad when they fixed or waited out those problems.
The problem with this argument is that it goes both ways; those who were depressed and did work their way out of it could easily say that it's doable but people who can't are just blind to it willingly. How do you prove either point? If you suddenly "willed" your way out of depression now, would your perception change? Would you think "damn, guess I wasn't really depressed after all lmao"?

[Anonymous No.12615596]

>>12612852
It's romantic. It's a way for people to present themselves as living weightier lives than they really do, it's a histrionic attention-grabbing label they can affix to themselves to signal to people that they have some depth as a person. It's shallow pandering to the crowds. Nobody is depressed

[Anonymous No.12615609]

>ITT: faggots who probably think that depression is a scam created by jews or something.

It's a chemical imbalance, faggots. No other way around it.

[Anonymous No.12615612]

>>12615609
>chemical imbalance
describe the mechanism of action to me without copy pasting from pubmed or wikipedia

[Anonymous No.12615614]

>>12615609
it's narcissism

[Anonymous No.12615622]

>>12615596
have u ever seen those occasional depression threads on "hn" every guy thinks he should be the next steve jobs and since he isnt he is deeply depressed and anyone who says hes just an egomaniac with a lame cope they lash out and become extremely nasty lol

[Anonymous No.12615623]

>>12615612
it's a genetic disease, like plenty of others. what's so hard to believe?

[Anonymous No.12615630]

if i get depressed its usually because lack of fapping is causing me to lament missed opportunities to fuck thots due to autism, then i fap and feel normal

[Anonymous No.12615633]

>>12615623
really whats the depression gene? what if someone who doesnt have the depression gene claims to be depressed? can we tell that person to stop being a lil bitch?

[Anonymous No.12615641]

>>12615622
Sounds about right

[Anonymous No.12615642]

>>12615633
nice pasta

[Anonymous No.12615776]

i havent got out of bed since tuesday except to use the restroom and i log on to /lit/ and see folks crying about how much of a special misunderstood person they are and how that gave them depression in their late teens.

[Anonymous No.12615791]

>>12615354
>something that's impossible to prove, and is culturally determined, existed in the past the same way it does today.

[Anonymous No.12615901]

depression is the disease of cuck nu male low t

[Anonymous No.12615939]

>>12612852
How could you read Ted K and not understand why depression is so rampant in modern times?

[Anonymous No.12615950]

>>12615939
mika ma

[Anonymous No.12616059]

>>12612871
No, depression used to be called "melancholia". People have killed themselves throughout history, not always due to depression - but it isn't hard to imagine that they sometimes would. You can find traces of it in past writings that provide descriptions which correspond to typical symptoms of depression.
Same for anxiety - it would be described as having a nervous breakdown or "weak nerves". Or along the lines of "being worried sick".

If it has some basis in neurochemistry, such states could have easily been experienced by people in the past given the right conditions for them to arise. There is always potential there and if there is indeed some genetic risk - where and when did it originate?
Even some physical conditions like anemia can cause depression and people of the past had greater risk of malnourishment.

[Anonymous No.12616093]

>>12612852
>>12612855
>>12612876
t. "hard working" boomers

[Anonymous No.12616112]

>>12612852
do everything to destory standards and morality wonder why everyone is depressed

[Anonymous No.12616160]

>>12615901
that's the most depressed post I read all day

[Anonymous No.12616174]

>>12615596
>>12615614
t. People that don't understand depression.

There is absolutely nothing glamorous about it. Zero. I've had periodic bouts of depression for a long time and I live in self-isolation - don't bother talking, let alone whining to anyone when I'm in that state of mind.
There is no depth in depression, it's either flatness of emotion or a narrowed down spectrum of the most debilitating emotions there are to be had. No vitality, no creatie spark. How can this be anything deep? Maybe some depressed folks manage to somehow channel these emotions into something creative, but I can't say that about my experience with it.
I wouldn't even call it sadness - it's a feeling of impending doom and limitation - as if whatever road you take, it will lead to misery and more painful memories to loop through. And as if you have no right, justification or excuse to exist - how is this glamourous?
The life struck by depression isn't weightier by some standard existing outside of it, as if suffering makes you more worthy. Depression isn't contigent upon this kind of silly self-reflection.

[Anonymous No.12616264]

>>12616174
you talk like a faggot lol

[Anonymous No.12616368]

>>12615939
I have read him.

[Anonymous No.12616468]

Until it happens to you

[Anonymous No.12616845]

>>12612862
A lot of people use it as an excuse. A lot of people who aren't mentally ill say they are because they think they can use it as a crutch to stay a terrible person without having to work on themselves.

[Anonymous No.12616858]

>>12616264
Also his shit's all retarded lmao

[Anonymous No.12616880]

>>12616845
Do you actually believe this

[Anonymous No.12616960]

>>12615791
>Depression is impossible to prove
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[Anonymous No.12617014]

>>12616880
The fact that you can't acknowledge this as a very real possibility tells me you don't get out much

[Anonymous No.12617019]

>>12612901
>>12612871
>>12612855
How can 'people' still believe we are in control of our inner life after 100+ years of psychological insight?
Deep trauma is very real and you can't simply snap out of it by willpower.

[Anonymous No.12617021]

>>12612852
I don’t really get the fixation either, I’ve suffered depression my whole life I don’t find characters who are depressed very interesting or engaging when they just focus on DUDE SO DEPRESSED. It usually isn’t even a character trait relevant to whatever the fuck the work is trying to express, like they just decided arbitrarily it would make their writing deeper without any effort in making it an important detail. Not just in literature but film and shit too.

[Anonymous No.12617230]

>>12612852
>tried committing suicide before
>literally can't think about doing anything because of disillusionment and shitty childhood
gee good thing depression isn't real

[Anonymous No.12617302]

>>12617230
How did you fail? Incompetence or subconscious sabotage of effort?

[Anonymous No.12617371]

>>12617302
Mixture of both. Car crashed into a brick wall, wasn't going fast enough. Few years before that I took a half prescription of xanax with 3-4 glasses of wine. Tried jumping off the college stadium a few times, always pussied out just sitting at the top. Tried getting in a car wreck 2 more times after that, didn't work/too scared. Spent a lot of time staring at nooses. Psychedelic drugs and reading saved me probably

[Anonymous No.12618266]

>>12616880
And you don't? Just take a look at the faggots posting on social media about their depression.
>hey guys I want to die xDDDDDDD
>LMAO DUDE DEPRESSION XDDD
>*posts a gay selfie while pouting lips and looking deeply sad* im so depressed guyze...
It's the same shit as women being feminists on social media and looking to put themselves to be victims.

[Anonymous No.12618297]

>>12612852
Good question. Ask yourself. Why'd you make the thread if you yourself weren't too? And why'd I reply if I wasn't as well? "It's making me sick." because you're familiar with it and recognizing it elsewhere recalls the feelings.
So the real question is, why are you depressed? Would you like to talk? There's a good chance I could help.

[Anonymous No.12618319]

>>12613304
>>12613354
anon just didn't get it.

[Anonymous No.12618347]

>>12612852
>Why are people so obsessed with depression?
No idea why. I live with my gf who has been diagnosed and takes meds and whilst I love her, being with someone who is depressed is exhausting - especially whilst maintaining a home together. It's like talking to a brick wall sometimes and it's sad watching it destroy someone despite your best efforts to keep some sort of equilibrium.

>>12618266
This irritates me. Having a down day isn't depression. Not having enough likes on instagram isn't depression. I also have a colleague at work who has used his "depression" to take paid sick leave for almost six months now. He won't come back because he literally admitted he cba with his job. This fetishism of mental illness for personality points fucking annoys me and I can easily see why there's a stigma around people announcing they have it.

[Anonymous No.12618362]

>>12612852

Is it making you feel depressed?

[Anonymous No.12618382]

>>12613765
not having sex while depressed

[Anonymous No.12618413]

>>12615623
That’s wrong it’s largely caused by childhood trauma

[Anonymous No.12618417]

>>12612852
Because it's about the human condition.

[Anonymous No.12618429]

>>12616880
I’ve had breakdowns, serious bouts of depression and have been in therapy consistently for over a year trying to get a handle on it and I agree. Some people claim to be ‘depressed’ and go on SSRIs because they can’t live the life of their favourite instagram celeb.