Have you ever read Elliot Roger's infamous manifesto, "My Twisted World"? Pic related is an excerpt of the manifesto towards the end.

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Anonymous Sat Feb 16 18:03:48 2019 No.12609540 [Reply] [Original]

Have you ever read Elliot Roger's infamous manifesto, "My Twisted World"? Pic related is an excerpt of the manifesto towards the end.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 16 18:07:10 2019 No.12609554 >>12609540 no

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 16 18:20:14 2019 No.12609618 File: 195 KB, 1024x767, Enyi_oCPTJWRHEGCWQlpgCD0bopwkz6367ZUAGfJHgQ.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12609540 Yes. It's a classic worthy of its place on my bookshelf next to homer and ovid no two ways about it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 16 19:27:56 2019 No.12609958 >>12609618 This guy definitely got laid in high school.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 16 19:30:22 2019 No.12609967 >>12609540 I have definitely never read any Elliot Rodger spam threads from underage /pol/ish crossboarders wait nevermind there are multiple on /lit/ right now kys

Anonymous Sat Feb 16 19:37:46 2019 No.12610002

>>12609618
So, this post suggest that women are completely incapable of self-reflection? Well, I can't say I disagree. Women who reject the feministic view of the world are nowhere to be found, no woman has ever genuinely admitted to the faults of her gender. If there is a misogynistic woman out there who hates the narcissism and vapidness of her own sex, she is truly a saint. Too bad, most women are the "you go girl!", "slay queen" types, that care about female empowerment through male degradation, it's truly sick how cunty behaviour is the norm nowadays. Have women always been this vile, is that just their female nature? That is something I unfortunately don't know the answer too. One thing's for sure however, they need to start taking responsibility and realize they're not inherently more worth than the average guy, if they just sit on their asses and expect to be treated like princesses.
TL;DR Fuck women (not literally)

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 16 22:57:56 2019 No.12610906 >>12610002 God I can't wait for the day we just straight up shoot people like you without trial.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 16 22:59:58 2019 No.12610911 >>12610002 You're autistic.

Anonymous Sat Feb 16 23:17:45 2019 No.12611003

All the Rodgerposting is fascinating.
I was linked to his videos before r/cringe got a hold of them.
I put him in the back of my mind.
I mean, I had been posting on 4chan since 07. I'd seen much worse.

Then he hit r/cringe and then he was on the news.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 16 23:39:21 2019 No.12611079 >>12611003 I remember his post on the misc the night before he acted out his autistic retardation

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 16 23:48:40 2019 No.12611118 >>12610906 >>12610911 not an argument, reddit

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 00:18:18 2019 No.12611245 >>12611118 i'll show you my "argument" you hot young twinky. cum over here a minnit ;^)

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 00:23:00 2019 No.12611268 >>12609540 How did Samuel stick his dick through a closed room door? That's quite the party trick.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 00:23:32 2019 No.12611270 >>12611245 lonely saturday night, anon?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 00:27:30 2019 No.12611290 >>12609540 I get so turned on when I read this. Just imagine plunging your penis into that cutie well she moans softly all the while her little brother is standing outside listening. Are there any kino's for this feel?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 00:30:00 2019 No.12611302 >>12611290 The Sound and the Fury's Quentin section... kinda

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 00:31:39 2019 No.12611308 >>12611290 she isn't even cute though. she has horseface

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 00:33:30 2019 No.12611316 >>12611290 Ada. Not a brother but a sister, though.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 00:48:16 2019 No.12611364 sad, very sad at times actually till you realise its just a guy failing at LARP asianamerican psycho

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 01:03:38 2019 No.12611420 File: 152 KB, 1080x1080, 61BCE789-0B5D-48C5-B7DD-8401F00243F7.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Holy shit this guy had a sister? Damn, imagine getting fucked so good it causes ur bro to go on a shooting spree lmao Hope it was worth it Stacey

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 01:42:25 2019 No.12611543 >>12609540 lmao this kid was such a faggot, I don't know how he can be deemed a hero by incels.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 02:26:16 2019 No.12611688 >>12609540 what's her slutty sister up to now?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 04:02:29 2019 No.12611932 I wonder how his father feels

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 04:17:03 2019 No.12611958 >>12611268 kek

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 04:21:55 2019 No.12611972 >>12611003 I did a presentation on him during my Honours year of my English degree. The more I researched, the more I realised he's a fucking moron. What happened was a tragedy mostly because those people died for such a fucking stupid reason.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 04:24:20 2019 No.12611982 >>12610906 Lol nah, just put them in a caring and humane mental hospital, where they deserve to be. It’s not their fault they can’t function in the world.

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 04:28:38 2019 No.12612006

>When I found out about this, I started to harbor the hope that my mother will get married to this man, and I will be part of a rich family. That will definitely be a way out of my miserable and insignificant life. Money would solve everything. I started to frequently ask my mother to seek marriage with this man, or any wealthy man for that matter. She always adamantly refused, and demanded that I stopped talking about it. She told me that she never wanted to get married again after her experience with my father. I told her that she should sacrifice her well-being for the sake of my happiness, but this only offended her further.
This fucking guy

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 04:29:31 2019 No.12612011 >>12609540 Did he actually hear that sound (penis plunging into vagina) or is it a metaphor?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 04:32:42 2019 No.12612019 >>12612006 Kind of on Elliot's side here. Just get married for your kids. It's not that hard.

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 04:33:21 2019 No.12612022

>>12609540
As a black male, I found his racial rhetoric very hurtful and offensive. My asexual side prevented me from judging him too much on his views on women, because I've never been in his shoes. I let my mom read the manifesto and we discussed it over some herbal tea. She said she was shocked that a human could have so much hate and anger inside them. She also wished his soul peace wherever it is. We would have spoken for longer but my mom had yoga and here I am shitposting on /lit/ after a few bong hits in my room.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 04:34:56 2019 No.12612024 >>12612011 See >>12611268. It's the sound of splintering wood

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 04:36:48 2019 No.12612032 >>12610002 >Fuck women (not literally)

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 04:38:19 2019 No.12612038 >>12612011 Repressed homosexuals have a keen dick sense

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 04:49:48 2019 No.12612104 His father is such a fucking faggot though, holy shit.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 04:52:52 2019 No.12612115 >>12612104 His dad probably fucked more pussy than you and your dad combined.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 06:06:22 2019 No.12612380 >>12612104 "Let's throw money at the problem. That will fix it!" t. Peter cuck Rodger

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 06:09:43 2019 No.12612387 >>12612380 The problem is gone now, though

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 06:10:31 2019 No.12612390 File: 26 KB, 499x499, normiepsychopath.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12610906 I wonder what causes Incels to turn to violence. It's almost as if it's in retaliation to people's aggression towards them.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 06:11:24 2019 No.12612393 >>12610002 >all women are 20something white Americans

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 06:11:35 2019 No.12612394 >>12612387 Yeah, there were 6 of them.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 06:12:50 2019 No.12612395 >>12612393 Who cares about women that are no longer sexually attractive? They've outlived their use.

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 06:13:51 2019 No.12612398

>>12612393
Exactly, this is mostly the work of the white succubi of the caucasian race. All the troubles of earth can be traced back to whites. Why can no race on Earth live peacefully with whites? Because they are born with the instinct to sow discord!

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 06:14:36 2019 No.12612402 >>12611543 He has enacted a common murderous resentment vs the world. It is not terribly hard to see how they might lionize ER; he has incarnated their daily fantasy.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 06:20:16 2019 No.12612419 >>12612390 Indifferent scorn, mostly. Not really aggression, like bullying w/o provocation. Its not a one time thing; its daily encountering this rejection or non-admission of their sexual dimension, if not IRL then by a blackpilled internal bias.

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 06:27:38 2019 No.12612436

>>12612419
Plenty of Incels are also bullied. I don't think there's such a thing as "bullying with provocation".
Incels also get shit from strangers, it's happened to me too. Once I was riding my bike and a group of teenagers laughed at me. What did I do to deserve such mockery? Normies can sense bullying victims, men on the bottom of the food chain. They're allowed to treat them with disrespect and lack of compassion, as they've already completely dehumanized them.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 06:35:11 2019 No.12612455 >>12612436 You're just a fragile pussy, that's thr beginning and end to your problems. As much as you rag on women for being sensitive whiners you fit the stereotype 100%.

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 06:35:13 2019 No.12612456

>>12609540

Was recommended by a litanon who proposed it was canontier representative of the meme age.

Read it couldnt finish. It wasnt even a chore like reading some textbook; it was fokken 'orrible all round.

It is only readable like that anon said: if it was taken as a nosetapnudgewink take on an r9k narrator.

I am a middlebrow vulgarian and i cant accept the manifesto has any great merit in itself.

Reasons:
-It has not transcended its milieu to express a human universal
-no selfawareness such that the narrative doesnt spiral into garystu navelscrying
-text is bland, cliched; not poetic, not prosaic, underdeveloped. ER cant event begin to pseud convincingly.

Do not recommend. ER might be a milestone of some sort, but he is not /lit/.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 06:39:59 2019 No.12612472 >>12612456 To add: We are only considering this book at all because the author killed a few people. That sounds more like /pol/ or /tv/.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 06:41:08 2019 No.12612473 >>12611972 >What happened was a tragedy mostly because those people died for such a fucking stupid reason. >women >people Kek

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 06:43:04 2019 No.12612479 >>12610002 Based.

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 06:43:18 2019 No.12612480

>>12612456
It has one merit though. It's the closest you can get to experiencing the thought process of a lunatic and convincingly, since the author was an actual lunatic. I don't think Elliot was soulless, but extremely mentally ill. He saved his brother from drowning and felt disgusted with himself as he was practicing shooting a gun. He's the byproduct of toxic Hollywood culture, just like Trump, he is a wake-up call that something is horribly wrong.

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 06:46:21 2019 No.12612491

Threads like these reinforce to me the paradox of inceldom: They demand sympathy and love but they do not give any to anyone for any other reasons. ironically Femcels not only have better capacity for sympathy but also more revolutionary praxis against lookism that incels wish they had.

>>12612436
Teenagers laugh at everyone. What’s your point?

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 06:46:58 2019 No.12612495

>>12612436
>Bullied incels
Okay, granted. I do not live in the US; i only have second hand reports to go on.

>No such thing as unprovoked bullying
Yes there is; i got an example from ER's text. He saw a bunch of chadxstacies having fun and ignoring his new duds and gold chain and shades, tries to push girls off a tenfoot drop. Chads come over as a troop and rough him proper. He lost his gold chain, broken shades, goes back home and cried and cried and cried to mama. Unequal responses of this sort is what i mean by provoked bullying.

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 06:48:52 2019 No.12612502

>>12612491
Femcels are also(usually) nice people looking for someone and not being particularly picky when it comes to the looks of the one they find. Incels are whiny brats demanding they need voice and then having a fit when they're told no one cares.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 06:49:55 2019 No.12612506 >>12612473 And you wonder why no one likes you lmao.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 06:50:07 2019 No.12612507 Incels are just the other side of of the degenerate hook up culture. I'm not advocating for asexuality, but the whole dating scene is disgusting.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 06:52:15 2019 No.12612511 File: 41 KB, 641x530, wtf.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12612491 >>12612502 >femcels >believing they exist and not just a meme reaction to Incels

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 06:53:02 2019 No.12612513

>>12612480
Maybe it can serve as a useful window into an incel's brain.

I have sincere doubts. I mentioned ER'S awful lack of selfawareness; in his text, this manifests as quite blatant and unwitting self deception, ie, the romanticising of himself going through (in normie terms) minor hurts like they were fukking tribulations.

The reader can't see a real incel's thought process and outlook evolution in ER's text because he's playing a pose. Like hes front an center on a stage. He is not genuine even to himself. All we get to see are what he hopes to present or represent himself as.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 06:53:08 2019 No.12612514 >>12612507 You have no idea how dating works do you? It may be because I'm not a burget but Idon't know a single person that uses tinder on a regular basis. >degenerate Oh I'm so sorry for you.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 06:53:26 2019 No.12612515 >>12612506 A lot of people like me, anon. I'm not a woman.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 06:54:10 2019 No.12612516 >>12612511 Ugly women exist too anon.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 06:54:51 2019 No.12612519 >>12610002 >Have women always been this vile, is that just their female nature? Yes, their true colours are manifested once they're "liberated". That's why the "get a foreign" wife is just a meme.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 06:55:13 2019 No.12612521 >>12612515 Your friends on /r9k/ don't count anon.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 06:55:23 2019 No.12612522 >>12612511 >women who are not happy with their love life don't exist >>12612514 You have no idea what an incel even is. Neither does half of this board, like the other faggot I'm replying to. Sad.

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 06:56:24 2019 No.12612526
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>>12612473
Over half of his victims were men. The 2 women that he did kill weren't even Stacies, not to mention most of the men were suffering ricecels. Elliot failed at his own mission.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 06:57:32 2019 No.12612530 >>12612522 Why would I care what a raging whiny permavirgin loser is?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 06:59:20 2019 No.12612535 >>12612526 In a way yes. But in a way spectacularly succeeded. He's at the epicentre of the 'incel' scare and has inspired others to kill in his name. He's struck terror into the hearts of roasties and had even JBP showing sympathy for incels.

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 07:00:20 2019 No.12612537

>>12612522
>women who are not happy with their love life
>implying that's the same thing
You're a fucking idiot. Incel means that no one wants to fuck you, women will always have the privilege of choice. There's no such thing as an unfuckable woman.
https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=168948903&page=1

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 07:01:07 2019 No.12612543 >>12612511 Found a subreddit full of them. They do complain and gripe like incels do sometimes

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 07:02:47 2019 No.12612547

>>12612526
That he did. He didnt plan properly, running on nerves.

In his brain i'm sure he thought he was killing chadxstacy. ER is a decent looker himself, 7/10 IMO, i'm a bloke; coulda been a boimodel, k/jpop or taiwanese idol. If he doesnt see himself as attractive, his perception of sexual worthiness/success gotta be similarly skewed.

Also, because his victims *allow* and *accept* the chadxstacy paradigm (in his mind) they are ALL abettors, collaborators, enablers. This turns his reticule red for almost everyone on the street.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 07:03:20 2019 No.12612550 >>12612543 It's literally guys larping, it's a parody on Incels. They're just stealing their content and putting a feminine spin on it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 07:05:50 2019 No.12612558 >>12612550 Nah they concocted the same wild naturalistic theories like incels do unironically. Why are you denying their existence?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 07:07:05 2019 No.12612562 >>12612537 Go to encyclopedia dramatica, lookup BBW. Can you honestly tell me you can bring yourself to do 85% of the pics related?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 07:09:21 2019 No.12612565 >>12612562 Hell, go to /hc/ right now and look at a BBW thread.

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 07:10:43 2019 No.12612569

>>12612558
Then they're attention whore copycats. I guess even Incels aren't safe from women misappropriating their culture. Is there anything more narcissistic than invading male spaces? Women truly have to insert themselves everywhere, even where they're not welcome.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 07:11:24 2019 No.12612571 >>12612537 You are quite mistaken. There are unfuckable women abounding; you just dont notice them in moreorless the same way stacies dont notice incels. They dont ping on your sexual radar.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 07:14:30 2019 No.12612577 >>12612569 They made their own subreddit, what is this about invading male spaces? And inceldom was meant to be ugly people vs pretty people, why are you trying to divide it with identity politics?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 07:15:50 2019 No.12612580 >>12612577 Inceldom has always been and always will be a male exclusive issue. Femcels are a meme and every Incel cringes at the term.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 07:16:03 2019 No.12612581 >>12612577 >Inceldom is uggos vs centerfolds Wholehearted This.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 07:17:25 2019 No.12612589 >>12612571 You underestimate male thirst and desperation.

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 07:19:11 2019 No.12612600

>>12612580
Not that anon, but disagree.

Male incels will get more aggressive and disagreeable as they blackpill.

Femcels get more neurotic.

Just because the final product is vastly different doesnt mean they arent suffering the same condition, "unfuckability".

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 07:19:16 2019 No.12612601 >>12612580 Then that is the sole reason why lookism will always exist and incels will always be bitter as fuck

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 07:21:21 2019 No.12612608 >>12612589 Perhaps i must be. I am still waiting on any selfadmitted incels without a fatfetish to say yes, i will do 85% of ED's BBW page if offered.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 07:25:56 2019 No.12612625 >>12612537 >Incel means that no one wants to fuck you By that logic ER wasn't an incel. He could get laid any time, especially if he was willing to pay for it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 07:27:19 2019 No.12612629 >>12611972 Seconded. He was a fucking moron. I find it funny his initials anagram into RE(EEEE)

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 07:28:37 2019 No.12612635 >>12612022 Pls pls pls be an unironic coolguy.

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 07:32:17 2019 No.12612645

>>12612625
Yeah well.

His thinking was warped. Like, he wanted women to notice his sweet kicks and duds and supremegentleman, all outward superficial stuff, but throwing cash for ass was somehow unthinkable, crossing a line.

Lol, he GENUINELY believed his own larp as "entleman!" And gentlemen dont go for hos!

Oh anon. All this could have been avoided if a bunch of chads bronapped ER and gave him a 300$ Vegas Date experience.

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 07:35:42 2019 No.12612654

>>12612645
He didn't even have to pay, though, that's the thing.
Objectively speaking, he had it better than a ton of unattractive women, who for some reason, aren't considered incels, even though they too cry themselves to sleep because chad isn't approaching them.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 07:38:53 2019 No.12612666 >>12612654 Oh i agree. Men act out the extremities of sorrow differently from women, as per >>12612600

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 07:41:56 2019 No.12612675 >>12610906 Shut up tranny

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 07:58:49 2019 No.12612729 File: 344 KB, 1101x473, coffe vengeance.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] as an unintentional dark comedy it's funny

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 08:04:09 2019 No.12612740 >>12609618 Imagine having such resentiment towards women to write this

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 08:08:35 2019 No.12612752 >>12612729 Why is his prose so good bros

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 08:14:23 2019 No.12612774 >>12612752 Right?! He could have made it a a writer easily

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 08:14:43 2019 No.12612776 >>12612729 >>12612752 It has some good parts, but it also drags a lot in the beginning, with all the tedious historic stuff. I guess he used the Bible as an inspiration.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 08:15:35 2019 No.12612782 File: 135 KB, 856x230, topkek.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12612729

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 08:43:43 2019 No.12612886 >>12612774 Unfortunately his white side dragged him down.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 08:51:56 2019 No.12612918 >>12612774 No, dude. No.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 08:52:59 2019 No.12612922 >>12612776 >Historic Histrionic. Ftfy

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 08:55:16 2019 No.12612932 >>12612729 It could have been the next Catcher In The Rye

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 09:11:16 2019 No.12612991

>>12609618
A lot of projection going on here. He was vapid, materialistic and never really tried due to his sense of entitlement. A fragile narcissist who would rather self-destruct and take others with him before exposing himself to anything that could potentially humiliate him - like rejection. Reality wouldn't have placed him anywhere near his unrealistically high standards.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 09:14:19 2019 No.12613005 >>12612991 Blonde women aren't a high standard.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 09:38:47 2019 No.12613080 >>12612516 someone post that /r9k/ exeperiment screencap

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 09:39:59 2019 No.12613084

>>12613005
No, I don't mean those kind of standards - rather how dating would have played out for him. I think he would have wanted women to easily fall for him, without ever having to expose himself to the risk of humiliation. He was vulnerable and emotionally volatile (read >>12612729), so humiliation must have been really painful for him. Why else didn't he try? He was pretty good-looking, could have easily found some blonde chick.
It would fit with a narcissistic profile for him to have an extremely perfectionist ideal for himself. For narcissists, everything they do is critical - as if writing history. It would have been painful for him to wade through the average dating experience with rejection and disappointment along the way.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 10:25:09 2019 No.12613236 it's horribly written but worth a read

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 10:33:02 2019 No.12613248 File: 38 KB, 663x579, 1547486303525.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12613080 >posting on /r9k/

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 10:40:46 2019 No.12613271 >>12612675 Cope

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 10:57:01 2019 No.12613335

>>12612991
I dont really enjoy to defend outright incels making shit up, but i think your arguement really has some faults imo.
>A lot of projection going on here.
Trying to slap every kind of insult as "projection" doesnt do anything unless you know that very person. He is advocating for the complete oposite and doesnt really tell anything about being "entitled" to anything.
>Reality wouldn't have placed him anywhere near his unrealistically high standards.
Doesnt that really prove his point though? If his way of thinking is having "high standards" then that is literally advocating that women are indeed what he seems to think.

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 11:31:01 2019 No.12613517

>>12609540

Elliott's rage is a manifestation of false expectations of how the world works. I honestly see a lot of myself in him except for the violent tendencies. When you have a strong sex drive but no real outlet and feel nothing but rejected by the object of your desire, it builds up rage, which in turn makes it all the more difficult for that opposite sex to like you as that rage begins to twist you from the inside out. Add to that a superiority complex where even the bum guy can get the hot blonde, the rage just twists further as the universe seems to endlessly mock you.
Men who fail with women and struggle with feeling not good enough for them tend to have serious mommy issues, and that describes elliott to a tee. If even your parents don't like and accept you, for whatever reason, a child knows that and he doesn't have the self worth to believe anyone else could ever accept him. I think that was the core of his problems, with some genetic mental issues added for good measure. The world is cruel and doesn't make sense, but most people find solace in the fact of knowing that you're loved. If you don't have that feeling, tragedy can follow.
The manifesto reads as dark comedy to anyone who's outside of it, who's never experienced that feeling of isolation and lack of love/acceptance. There is something darkly comic about an otherwise good looking young man who believes he can't get a girl because of his false premises and beliefs about the world. He's similar to Ted Bundy, who channeled his rage in a different direction.
That said, the manifesto is instantly relatable to anyone who has felt a similar sort of rejection time after time. If he had only had the patience to grow older and develop his ideas, it could have turned into something great and worth reading. As it stands, it's just teenage angst with additional layers of poison, bitterness, and false notes that are easily refuted.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 12:08:19 2019 No.12613727 >>12612729 Christ this is some good stuff

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 12:39:59 2019 No.12613947

>>12612436
I work in education with elementary age kids. A small but reliable percentage of these kids will tell me I'm ugly or that nobody will love me, usually as an off hand comment once they've become more comfortable around me. At first this was kind of tough for me, but as it turns out my success with women has steadily increased over the last year, and I've come to terms with there's something attractive about me that the most superficial humans alive, kids, don't immediately register. When people give you a superficial once over and think they can size you up, it says more about them than you, and you probably wouldn't have liked their company anyways. Just keep pursuing yourself and let them get upset if they think you achieve success incompatible with your perceived worth.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 12:41:55 2019 No.12613959 >>12613947 very wise post. thank you

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 12:54:40 2019 No.12614048 I feel like eliot is wasted potential. He could have realised how funny his situation is and become a writer.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 12:57:36 2019 No.12614065 >>12612729 i think his location had a lot to do with it. being that crazy about pussy and not getting any, in isle vista of all places. why didn't he just get a hooker?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 13:01:21 2019 No.12614090 >>12613947 >A small but reliable percentage of these kids will tell me I'm ugly or that nobody will love me You should violently retaliate after getting a comment like that. Don't let yourself get cucked by kids.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 13:02:47 2019 No.12614095 >>12609540 VIRGIN DETAINMENT CAMPS WHEN THE UNDERWEIGHT VIRGIN QUESTION MUST NOT GO UNANSWERED

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 13:29:06 2019 No.12614239 >>12611268 underrated post

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 13:40:04 2019 No.12614296 >>12609618 >Aphra Behn, Jane Austen, the Brontë sisters, Mary Shelley, Charlotte Gilman, Virginia Woolf, Sylvia Plath and hundreds more great and inspiring women are worthless ‘cunts’ who ‘ruin everything’ because Stacy broke up my D&D group

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 13:41:15 2019 No.12614304 >>12612390 >not having sex with me is an act of aggression! LMAO

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 13:49:39 2019 No.12614337 >>12614304 AGH LEAVE ME ALONE STUPID WHORE

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 13:58:15 2019 No.12614376

>>12614304
Being threatened to be shot on sight is. It's not the lack of pussy that's the problem, it's society constantly pointing the finger at you, blaming you for everything.
>"It's all your fault women don't want to fuck you. Your looks have nothing to do with it, only your disgusting personality. Die in a hole!"
This is the sort of shit Incel hear on a regular basis. Any rational person would know that looks do matter and that you can't possibly be blamed for everything. Not only that when an Incel shares a story of their mistreatment, a lot of times they're accused of making it up, that it didn't happen. That sounds a lot like gaslighting, don't you think? Is it so hard to admit that some people have it worse than others, on the basis of their looks?

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 13:58:31 2019 No.12614378

>>12613335
>Trying to slap every kind of insult as projection doesnt do anything unless you know that very person. He is advocating for the complete oposite and doesnt really tell anything about being "entitled" to anything.
Projection, because the women he describes are vapid and materialistic, but so was he. The concrete individuals may have really been, but he was seeing something that was applying to himself too. It had salience, because on some level he could relate. Perhaps he had internalized it by idealizing his bullies on some level - idealizing the power they had over him allowing the humiliation to take place. What he had internalized were the values and commitments of these people he criticized (or at least the sense he had made out of them).
He had a very antagonistic relationship to it - hating it all, but at the same time, wanting to compete on the same level, being accepted into the same system and coming out as a champion.

There is more from ER than this excerpt which reveals his vapid and materialistic tendencies. He wrote things about himself in a manifesto and committed violence - that is enough information to get a peek into his mind, I don't need to have an intimate relationship with ER to make such observations. And you don't have any more knowledge than me do decide against it.

It is not hard so recognize his entitlement from his manifesto. It's basically "Why can't I have all those good things? I am x and I am y!" It need not be the exact same kind of entitlement he attributes to women for it to still be an instance of entitlement.

>If this way of thinking is having "high standards" then that is literally advocating that women are indeed what he seems to think.
Read >>12613084 for clarification of what I meant by "high standards".

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 14:07:31 2019 No.12614428 >>12614376 Someone not wanting to be with you, either because of your looks or your personality, is not ‘mistreatment’.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 14:09:42 2019 No.12614431 >>12614428 Read the post again, the poster would probably agree with that and he makes a good point.

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 14:25:56 2019 No.12614501

>>12614376
I don't understand how you can wallow in this victim-mentality. "Society" is not an entity which can point fingers. You have woven some narrative over isolated incidents and hypostatized this into a mean society declaring your worth.

I understand that rejection is painful. It's not fun. But worthy are those who chose themselves to be worthy. Wallowing in victim-mentality is ultimately self-abandonment. The solace it provides is that of self-pity - what a pitiful kind of solace that is!

And rejection is thousand times more painful when you pity yourself over it. It's so destructive. Reducing your entire existence to that of a rejectee.

Self-respect can be granted over any kind of treatment from others. It is a decision you make and a self-relation you establish.
Putting yourself at the mercy of others and calculating your worth from their reactions - that's really for the meek, impressionable and passive, who sacrifice themselves to pleasing others. Otherwise, it wouldn't matter whom or what you satisfy and you'd be able to play by the same rules, allowing for fairness. That way, rejection can transform into a managable disappointment, independently from the outcome.

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 14:28:14 2019 No.12614521
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>>12614378
I find that the most fascinating aspect of Elliot's character. He is very conformist in this way, he doesn't hate the social hierarchy because it divides people into winners and losers; he hates it because he's not a winner himself. I mean, if you were born a rich person, chances are you won't care about poor people problems. Same goes for Elliot, if he had been popular, he'd act no differently from his bullies. Of course, that doesn't mean he isn't sympathetic towards fellow losers like him, he just hates it when they aren't as resentful as he is.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 14:28:59 2019 No.12614526 >>12609540 Dunno But I also resent womanhood Feels good to be honest they are a bunch of worthless sluts anyway

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 14:34:43 2019 No.12614556

>>12614378
What’s so wrong about entitlement?
Don’t you feel anger when things are bad?
He is right in many ways and that’s why he is relatable
You seem like the kind of person who would let the holocaust happen because having bread and a warm shower is “entitlement”

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 14:35:39 2019 No.12614562

>>12614501
You failed to address any of the points I've made. But no, I don't pity myself. I just know that objectively I'm a loser and I also hate kissing other people's asses. This does not apply to me. I can understand where Elliot is coming from, but we have a different set of problems. This isn't about me, anyway- it's about Incels as a whole.

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 14:47:46 2019 No.12614611

>>12614562
dude why the fuck do you even think in terms like loser?
you know that's bullshit no one is ever winning life, it's suffering and than you die for some people..
trust me I've been there, had a good job a 8/10 gf that was way too pretty for me, everything lol, and I was just as sad as I always am.

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 14:49:52 2019 No.12614617

>>12614562
I feel that no matter how hard-done-to you feel, that’s never an excuse to take the lives of innocents. You can complain and whine all you like, not that it will get you anywhere, but to actually judge whether another human deserves to live or die is completely wrong.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 14:53:26 2019 No.12614636 >>12614611 >8/10 gf Post pics, faggot.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 14:54:35 2019 No.12614640 >>12614617 who the fuck cares, they're gonna die anyway and you too. People dying isn't such a big deal, death is actually awesome, the only problem is that it doesn't scale.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 14:54:38 2019 No.12614642 >>12614617 Well, I guess Incels aren't human then. People have no problem telling them to kill themselves.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 14:55:42 2019 No.12614649 >>12614640 Kill yourself right now then, if it’s so easy to be so blasé about such a thing

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 14:56:26 2019 No.12614654 >>12614611 >you know that's bullshit no one is ever winning life Some people are on the bottom of the social hierarchy tho, excluded socially in all kinds of ways. Racism comes to mind.

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 14:56:37 2019 No.12614655

>>12614556
I see that everything that I wrote went over your head. Must be too much of a brainlet or autistic to understand psychology.

>What's so wrong about entitlement?
>Don't you feel anger when many things are bad?
Why equate these two as if that's what I refer to by entitlement. Can't you read my post more charitably? Did you look into ER's manifesto - does he lament the lack of bread and a shower?

Entitlement = "the feeling that you have the right to do or have what you want without having to work for it or deserve it, just because of who you are"
>How could an inferior, ugly black boy be able to get a white girl and not me? I am beautiful, and I am half-white myself. I am descended from British aristocracy. He is descended from slaves.

It's not like ER was completely doomed - he was good-looking and cared enough about fitting in that he could have turned it into a viable strategy or move onto something else. But alas, his mental issues prevented him from doing so. He acted like he was completely out of control, when that wasn't the case. It's simply not true that the entire blonde white girldom wrote him off.

>You seem like the kind of person who would let the holocaust happen because having bread and a warm shower is "entitlement"
What a horrible attempt at a rebuttal.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 14:56:45 2019 No.12614656 >>12614642 Telling someone to kill themselves isn’t anywhere near similar to actually putting a gun to someone’s head and pulling the trigger, why even compare the two?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 14:57:35 2019 No.12614663 >>12614636 why? I don't want to see the face of that demonwhore anymore than I want to cut my own dick I DO have some panties/bra only yoga action Im never going to delete, but thats for my own fappage, go get a blonde american gf yourself

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 14:58:19 2019 No.12614670

>>12614640
I felt the same way you did at one point until I became 18. Having friends, finding interests, and realizing women are people too helps. Anyone can get a girlfriend if you don't have incredibly high standards. I hope you get out of that hole, anon. It's not a healthy one.

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 15:01:20 2019 No.12614689

>>12614649
I would but I don't have access to a gun and all the other ways are terrible, also my mom would be sad.. no if it comes down to it I would but it's not my time to go yet.
I do think dying is a good thing though and I see no logical reason to think otherwise, existence is contemptible to me.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 15:03:37 2019 No.12614709 >>12614689 Don’t u realise, that all the other people that die will also have mums who are sad?

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 15:04:20 2019 No.12614712

>>12614670
dude I honestly don't give a shit what you think, you know literally nothing about me other than my views on death, which are based on reason.
I had girlfriends and many many friends and nothing stops me from being depressed so you can go fuck a landmine

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 15:05:56 2019 No.12614723 >>12609540 Wonder how his sister feels that her getting pounded by her boyfriend contributed to her brother descending further into madness.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 15:06:35 2019 No.12614728 >>12614712 Notice how you didn’t deny being underage MODS

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 15:08:01 2019 No.12614738

>>12614709
but I don't care about them, I care about my own mom cause I feel things towards her well-being, I feel nothing towards a mom who lost her child many would go through that and countless more had gone through it in the past, losing a your child is a natural response for having one, being human sucks, and I suffer enough myself to feel their shitty suffering as well

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 15:08:13 2019 No.12614739

>>12614562
Oh really, no points adressed?

>Being threatened to be shot on sight is.
>it's society constantly pointing the finger at you, blaming you for everything.
>This is the sort of shit Incel hear on a regular basis.
>Not only that when an Incel shares a story of their mistreatment, a lot of times they're accused of making it up, that it didn't happen.
>Is it so hard to admit that some people have it worse than others, on the basis of their looks?

These are all self-pitying statements and based on victim-mentality. Everything else I wrote was an elaboration of this.
Wheter that's how you are or not - that's what you defend, based on affirming these attitudes as valuable enough to warrant a defense in the name of incels.
You recommend pitying the incels, giving a voice to their (presumably never-ending) victimhood, which is what I've adressed.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 15:08:19 2019 No.12614740 >>12614663 >fapping to his ex You're fucking pathetic.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 15:09:34 2019 No.12614747 >>12614738 So death isn’t actually a ‘good thing’, you just don’t care about other humans lol

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 15:11:56 2019 No.12614765

>>12614747
it is good for the one who dies, and bad for the ones who were close to him.
It is good as far as a state of being can be, and it's effect on humans is ridiclously bad to the point of being pathetic, the fact that people die is something humans don't take as well as they should

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 15:12:45 2019 No.12614770 Just be yourself.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 15:12:51 2019 No.12614771 >>12614765 why is it good for the one who dies?

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 15:13:00 2019 No.12614774

>>12614521

Elliot had a superiority complex. If you read the manifesto, or even just a summary of it, it's pretty clear he expected to be worshiped and coddled throughout his entire life, by his parents and his peers. He did everything he could to try and appear "cool" but people tend to scorn poseurs. If anything in the world contradicted his vanity, it caused rage.
He killed because he truly, sincerely believed he was better than everyone, and if anyone "lesser" got something he wanted (like a hot blonde he seemed to have attraction toward) it pushed him a little further over the edge.

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 15:14:40 2019 No.12614786

>>12614740
you would do the same if you had given up on real vagina for life, it's actually awesome I get to remember how good the sex was without having her to actually be there..
never was as happy with her as I am when I am fapping, and that's just honest.

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 15:15:01 2019 No.12614790

>>12614739
So, it is hard to admit that some people have it worse than others, on the basis of their looks. To be honest, society would prefer it if Incels pitied themselves in the sense "Oh, I'm so weak, everyone treats me like trash, I can't do anything about it" It's only a problem when Incels lash out, otherwise no one gives a shit.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 15:15:26 2019 No.12614796 >>12614712 Then why defend incels? Identify with them in some way?

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 15:16:26 2019 No.12614800

>>12614774

Another thing, he mentions an instance where he's being "bullied" by a girl he likes that causes him to hate girls from then on. He's ego is so fragile that he doesn't recognize that this is the way 13-14 y.o's flirt. Eliot needed to be in therapy/on meds from a young age, but instead his mother coddled him (at one point, he had his own bedroom while he and his sister had to share the only other one).

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 15:17:19 2019 No.12614805 >>12614786 Do you still check her social media like a fucking loser? How do you feel now that she's gotten a new boyfriend, does it sting?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 15:17:31 2019 No.12614807 >>12614790 Nobody is obliged to care about you, get over it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 15:19:15 2019 No.12614821 >>12614304 correct

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 15:19:27 2019 No.12614822 >>12614796 I don't defend them I'm just bored and in the mood to argue the valuelessness of life I enjoy the fact that he actually did what he did, I find people like him entertaining

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 15:20:05 2019 No.12614825 >>12614774 No, they don't. People brag all the time, Elliot was just a bad actor due to autism. His vanity would be socially acceptable if he was good looking and popular, the world didn't contradict anything.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 15:20:35 2019 No.12614829 >>12614807 >Nobody is obliged to care about you yes they are

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 15:21:15 2019 No.12614834 >>12614822 Jesus, if you like that in real life, it's torture to communicate with you

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 15:21:24 2019 No.12614835

>>12614774
Yes, this. Why do Elliot fans/sympathizers treat him like some kind of underdog hero?
He was a very vulnerabale kind of narcissist - the vulnerability and emotional lability prevented him from applying his narcissism successfully in the world (some narcs get far ahead in society). Reality was too brutal to live up to his grandiose standards and the tension was discharged in homicidal rage.

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 15:22:12 2019 No.12614838

>>12614805
>Do you still check her social media like a fucking loser?
nope
>How do you feel now that she's gotten a new boyfriend
a mix of girls are sluts with I feel sorry for whoever needs to endure her in his life
>does it sting?
not more than anything else that sucks about living

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 15:22:15 2019 No.12614839 >>12614807 I am over it, I know I'm not worthy of love. Not entitled to being treated like a decent human being. I deserve to be bullied for the rest of my life, take it up the ass by other people.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 15:23:22 2019 No.12614845 >>12614839 Everyone takes it up the ass until they stand up for themselves. Haven’t you worked that out yet?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 15:24:24 2019 No.12614849 >>12614834 really? why is that? I enjoy talking with you, it's actually the most fun I've had all day, but this particular day sucked more than usual.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 15:25:07 2019 No.12614853 >>12614835 He is an underdog, just not a sympathetic one. That's the thing about Incels, they're not the kind "oh, let's forgive my bullies and make friends with them" you see in cartoons.

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 15:25:09 2019 No.12614854

>>12611003

i am a bit annoyed that weaklings like him are creating themselves "safe spaces" where they can fantasize about active shooters, talk about them as heroes instead of dumb losers with no sense of perspective... eventually active shooters started to refer to past shootings as a source of inspiration. it wold be great to find an angle to deflate their fantasy lives, just ruin their power fantasy and force to move on to something else.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 15:26:12 2019 No.12614860 File: 285 KB, 1280x1920, tumblr_o8o3bsIPNQ1uf5re1o1_1280.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >not realising incels exist because of systemic alienation and oppression of the working class

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 15:26:14 2019 No.12614861 >>12614849 Becuase, it's like talking to women. Passive agressive, self obssesed and just infantile overall

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 15:27:37 2019 No.12614866 >>12614861 haha yeah I guess that's me

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 15:27:41 2019 No.12614867 >>12614845 Standing up for yourself is too risky. I don't want to go jail for beating someone up.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 15:28:16 2019 No.12614871 >>12614860 How is super-hypergamy related to systemic alienation and oppression of the working class?

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 15:28:20 2019 No.12614872

>>12614790
They don't give a shit either way. Why do you need people to affirm your/the incels' victimhood so hard? Why is this so necessary? What will it provide to you? It's pathetic to demand this kind of recognition - boohoo, you have it hard and lash out. Impotent rage is not a matter of pride and it's sad that you treat it like it is.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 15:28:50 2019 No.12614875 >>12614854 You mean, like writing?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 15:31:13 2019 No.12614883 >>12614872 So, if a group of niggers ganged up on you and stabbed you in a dark alley; you wouldn't speak out and demand compensation? Walk it off, pussy, black people have it way harder than you, pal.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 15:32:11 2019 No.12614887 >>12614871 How is status and hierarchy related to capitalism? How is the winner-loser dichotomy related to capitalism? There's a lot of questions we can ask ourselves.

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 15:34:49 2019 No.12614906

>>12614771
what do you mean?
you don't need to think and feel anymore, you don't need to exist, it's obviously better than running around in circles looking for happiness, having to worry every single day about the future having to relieve past-traumas, having to face everyday a meaningless moment after another without anything ever happening..
I can't imagine anything worse than being human and I can understand why people need God to tell them they are worth something, because we really aren't doing anything other than suffer and die.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 15:34:59 2019 No.12614907 >>12614887 Capitalism is not opression of the workin class. And status and hierarchy and winner-loser related almost to everything.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 15:35:11 2019 No.12614909 >>12614887 So if we abolish capitalism then women won't be hypergamous?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 15:35:26 2019 No.12614910 >>12614871 >believing in hypergamy Every dude I know has or had a gf and the ones that don't just rejected the girls who liked them because they weren't ready for a relationship or weren't interested.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 15:36:39 2019 No.12614923 >>12614909 Womens would be shared beetween everybody, comrade!

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 15:36:50 2019 No.12614925 >>12614909 Hypergamy is about status. Do you have another definition?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 15:38:16 2019 No.12614935 >>12614925 >women is about status retard fixed

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 15:38:39 2019 No.12614936 >>12614910 Well every dude I know has a girlfriend who is dating above their league >>12614925 Status doesn't have to be related to material possession. What about the status of being good looking than other men, taller than other men, etc.?

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 15:40:21 2019 No.12614942

>>12614853
But you don't have to choose between this or shooting people. He wasn't glued to his bullies, he could have moved on and started his life over.
Not every single person out there is your bully - and why shouldn't people that you have no pre-history with be given a chance just because sth about them reminds you of someone from the past? People like ER and incels overall put others into classes and then reject those classes altogether.
They could circumvent this by reinventing themselves, not to please others, but to get out of the bully/bullied relation, which makes them expect bullying from others.
Yes, it takes some time to restructure your thought patterns, but incels aren't the only people with trauma who have to do this in order to get better. Therapies and self-help books exist too.

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 15:42:39 2019 No.12614956

>>12614936
>Well every dude I know has a girlfriend who is dating above their league

That's something I hardly see happen. Most of the time they're both in the same league, but incels lack the selfawareness to lower their standards. Or they have so much self loathing that they don't want anyone is resembles themselves in any way.

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 15:43:18 2019 No.12614957

>>12614936
those are chosen expressions though, women choose a partner through a multi varied analysis,some of which is aesthetic.
Women also choose by IQ, salary, interests, humour.
having any of these qualities makes you a potential mate for the right bitch

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 15:45:07 2019 No.12614968 >>12614957 I should have said "select" rather than choose really, but you know what I mean.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 15:45:44 2019 No.12614970 >>12614875 yes i guess. ironically laughing at it dont work on turbo autists, they enjoy the attention and even take ideas at the first degree like the "high score" joke.

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 15:46:46 2019 No.12614973

>>12614883
>Walk it off, pussy, black people have it way harder than you, pal.
That has absolutely nothing to do with what I said. It's you who sets up hierarchies of hard/harder/hardest - I reject this mentality altogether.

>So, if a group of niggers ganged up on you and stabbed you in a dark alley
What you describe is a violent crime. Yes, you demand a compensation for a crime and you're legally entitled to do so. Are you seriously suggesting this is some kind of analogy for being rejected? Absolutely ridiculous.

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 15:53:07 2019 No.12614999

>>12614942
>therapy
>self-help books
>totally not a scam invented by jews
Therapy is a modern concept, made to separate you from your money. If you're told you have X disorder enough times, you'll start to believe it and take pills or whatever crap they want you hooked on. Don't fall for the bait!

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 16:02:49 2019 No.12615032 >>12614090 You sound like Elliot, man. I'm not going to hit some kids, they're young and dumb and don't know better. Check >>12614378 on internalized bullying.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 16:05:26 2019 No.12615049 >>12614906 all you’re arguing here is that you think it would be good if YOU died, not other people

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 16:05:41 2019 No.12615053

>>12614999
Not all therapies are like and they don't all involve medication (this is prescribed by psychiatrists). Just because therapy originated with Freud, doesn't mean it hasn't been further developed by non-jews.
There are different types of therapies - do your research. Imho, CBT is a little soulless. But there are therapists out there who are genuinely compassionate/empathic and had to deal with their own trauma, which helped them to refine their work with clients.
It isn't a bad idea to talk to someone who is knowledgeable in his field and has experience with other clients facing similar problems. It can provide you with perspective and someone neutral to talk to (provided it's a good therapist). And you aren't forced to continue if you don't like it.

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 16:11:41 2019 No.12615086

>>12615053
great post. feel like adding something about the origins of therapy being more ancient than freud, who was influenced by nietzsche and others: ancient philosophy was about the art of living a good life . epicureans, stoics, cynics and so on. they had recipes for a good life, concepts anyone can apply and so on. but like contemporary therapy i guess its well advised to deal with a pro rather than go at it alone .

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 16:19:50 2019 No.12615128 File: 770 KB, 920x584, conan.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12615032 >I'm not going to hit some kids, they're young and dumb and don't know better And they shall know better via violent beatings

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 16:27:40 2019 No.12615172

>>12610002
Have you even spoken to a woman this decade? I go to a university, which people like you would likely describe as liberal breeding grounds for feminists. Of all the girls I've spoken to, almost all reject extremist feminist views and some even refuse to be identified as such.
Get out of the house more, for your own good

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 16:28:34 2019 No.12615176 >>12614854 Euthanasia.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 16:28:39 2019 No.12615177 File: 70 KB, 534x605, hellothere.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] All these haters, man.

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 16:40:55 2019 No.12615252

>>12614956
They could even end up dating someone more attractive than them if they had some charisma. In reality, not all women care about looks to the same extent. There is some variance in preferences and responses.
Incels never really tap into the charisma potential, because they have such a fearful-aggressive relationship with women. There is no fun, no seduction with these people. Too much fear of disappointment to give it a try and anxiety + low self-esteem fucking up their approach. They think it's too ridiculous coming from them and end up looking ridiculous.
The incel community is toxic, because it's so defeatist. All their talking points are excuses to stay in the comfort zone.

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 16:46:03 2019 No.12615281

>>12615252
So, if you see a pretty woman in public, how should you approach her? I mean, most women aren't welcome to strangers, so how do you assure them you're not some rapist or creepy dude? I mean, you clearly must know everything about picking up women, you're on 4chan after all.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 16:47:48 2019 No.12615291 i sympathize more with the columbine shooters than this weird looking happa piece of shit, he didn´t realize he could easily get the affection of a hooker, he had the money and status for that

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 16:48:37 2019 No.12615295 >>12615281 Download Tinder and cut your teeth on flirting with women. Its essentially as low-stake as shitposting.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 16:49:16 2019 No.12615297 >>12614956 All i see is someone desperately trying to affirm that life is fair

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 16:50:37 2019 No.12615304 >>12609618 embarrassing

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 16:53:27 2019 No.12615317 >>12615295 If you're average to ugly, you stand no chance on Tinder. You're clueless.

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 16:57:46 2019 No.12615340

>>12615297
Life isn't fair but that doesn't change most people have and could have bfs or gfs. Go out and you'll realize average people and below people have a significant other, usually with someone else in their league with a personality that matches them. I felt the same way you did until I started gaining self awareness and stopped giving a shit.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 16:57:59 2019 No.12615342 >>12612729 possibly too based

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 17:09:25 2019 No.12615407 >>12610002 Based, redpilled and chadpilled.

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 17:14:28 2019 No.12615438

>>12615281
Approaching a stranger in public is never guaranteed to work. It's true that most women aren't welcome to strangers (it's a safety + minding your own business thing, occiasionally bitchiness - but those you don't want to date anyway) and if you understand that, empathize with that, you can work your way around it by being casual, friendly and low pressure. So basically - what would I need to do to reassure her I'm not a "creep"? Worrying that you might come off like one will work against you. Approach women like you expect friendliness and interest back from them. If they are unkind, you move on - it says more about them than you. In average, friendly flirting is the best way to relax a woman. Once there is some minimal rapport, they will feel increasingly too guilty to reject you and if there's no sense of pressure or desperation on your part, they will give you their number.

I mean, I also wouldn't put all my energy into this kind of first encounter, the seduction can take place once you have built more rapport. Else you'll end up feeling like wearing yourself out. Minimal, casual and like it's no big deal. As if exploring a terrain.

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 17:15:22 2019 No.12615441
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>>12615252
Its very easy to point a finger at them and call on their shit and push them down in every way. They get shited on for being defeatists and shited on when they give themselves value. It doesnt even take to be an incel to understand this shitty charade of "le get out of the confort zone duude" is a meme. Everyone knows that "looks" arent everything and that those things such as charisma count aswell, but most of those people dont even have that going for them and those things dont come to them naturally, specially with a debelitated ego.
Their tastes, personalities, hobbies and interests are most of the time too separate from the "commun" folk that you see. There are several studies proving that "social skills" dont really matter when you find someone who you can indentify and find commun ground to chat with. So, imo, the best "cure" for incels will be to stop reaching for the "commun" lady, and instead trying to reach for someone that has hobbies and interests they can "work" with, and that's where the "hard" part comes in. And i would say, it more of a matter of luck, time and turn of events.
People most of the time dont understand how their behaviour is completly normal for the situation they find themselves in. They are deemed as "inferior" by the society we live in, or atleast in their perception, and when one finds himself powerless and inferior they try to reach for anything to feel superior to. They get insecure, and people laugh at them when they call some women "stacy", when in fact most of these same "normal" people are presented to a woman that has slept with much more men than they are confortable with, they call them "whore".

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 17:22:18 2019 No.12615483 >>12610906 Meanwhile those same people are committing shootings and raping women for their opposing beliefs. While you sit on your dumb cunt and fantasize. All you do is wait for someone else to do action because you have no ambition and never will.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 17:24:56 2019 No.12615498 Elliot was just a teenager who wasn't socialized properly when he was a little kid. He didn't get what he wanted and got angry - that's how small children react. They throw a tantrum, they get angry, bitter and jealous

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 17:26:40 2019 No.12615505 >>12609618 This is true for gay men as well.

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 17:28:28 2019 No.12615517

>>12615483
>Meanwhile those same people are committing shootings and raping women for their opposing beliefs.
Lol, aside from Rodger and a few others nothing of that is happening.
>>12615498
That's simply how everyone reacts when they feel inferior in the enviroment they are present.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 17:28:42 2019 No.12615519 >>12614970 >ironically laughing at it dont work on turbo autists You fucking even know what autism is? https://www.autismspeaks.org/dsm-5-criteria

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 17:29:08 2019 No.12615520 >>12615483 Dat cope, misogynists are truly the most opressed group I guess.

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 17:30:03 2019 No.12615525

>>12615441
You make good points, but I don't think it's constructive for incels to stay in the incel community.
I didn't even mean to shit on them for being defeatist as such, but their whole ideology aims at interpreting reality in a narrowed down way to the point where every change seems pointless. Hyperfixation on looks, Stacies, Chads and the gulf between them. Implicit affirmation of their debilitated ego.
If it didn't provide them with some sense of superiority and value, they wouldn't stick to it so persistently. But it's like an unhealthy addiction which makes them overlook other possibilites for attaining a sense of value that aren't a dead end, leading to stagnation.

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 17:35:14 2019 No.12615551

>>12615517
>That's simply how everyone reacts when they feel inferior in the enviroment they are present.
How could you ever come to this conclusion? If it was the world would never work on any level because everyone would be consumed with anger and jealousy, viewing everyone else as their enemies

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 17:35:35 2019 No.12615555 >>12615505 Wrong. It's only true for femtard gays and trannies.

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 17:35:37 2019 No.12615556

>>12615517
>That's simply how everyone reacts when they feel inferior in the environment they are present.
Yes, but more mature people keep it largely to themselves. Reactivity is never a good thing. There's always a buffer zone between having those emotions and throwing a tantrum for everyone to see. Tantrums are manipulative - sth children employ to get their way.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 17:42:35 2019 No.12615601 File: 405 KB, 998x1374, 1550220743259-v.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12610002 Red and basedpilled

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 17:50:57 2019 No.12615640

>>12615551
>If it was the world would never work on any level because everyone would be consumed with anger and jealousy, viewing everyone else as their enemies
That doesnt happen because people always find a way to convince themselves they are "superior" in some other field, spiritual realm or status to the next person. The incel never finds himself in this.

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 17:57:27 2019 No.12615672
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>>12609540
Haha, yeah. I have read it three times and fourth is on its way. I actually read it to make LISTS of ALL THE PLACES HE WENT TO, ALL THE THINGS HE LIKED AND DISLIKED AND ALL THINGS TELLING ABOUT HIS PERSONALITY. And I do the same with all the other writing about or by him. Then I will collect ALL information about those things, to be able to include them into a novel or series of novels loosely based on him and his life. It's just that only his biggest fans will recognize him from the text and notice it's based on him, others will read it for other reasons.

Not sure why there is so many Elliot threads all over the 4chan. Are you trying to monitor if someone's up to something as it was just the Valentine's Day and the 5th anniversary is coming?

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 17:58:42 2019 No.12615679

>>12615640
I disagree, look at retards. They're inferior in every way to pretty much every group of people yet they don't react with anger and jealousy. Incel has a lot easier time finding others to feel superior to, but is still consumed. Therefore it can't be the default reaction because retards would have to be consumed as well

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 18:02:00 2019 No.12615704
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Have you guys ever met someone that is not a virgin? I'm actually talking to you - the white knights.
You get it into your head that being bitter and hating women is what virgins do so if you instead pretend women are pure sunshine - that makes you Chad.
It doesn't. In fact the bitter virgin archetype has things more right than you do. It's just instead of having the truth told to him in a healthy, gradual way people blew smoke up his arse all his life and then when he actually started paying attention to women he was shocked at how many lies he had been told about them.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 18:05:57 2019 No.12615728 >>12610002 Can you go Elliot and should a few bitches?

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 18:07:32 2019 No.12615741

>>12615556
>Reactivity is never a good thing.
Dont really know where are you coming with that "never a good thing". You simply say it isnt good because you dont find yourself in that situation and you see their "reaction" as threatening.
> mature people keep it largely to themselves
>those emotions and throwing a tantrum for everyone to see. Tantrums are manipulative - sth children employ to get their way
Trying to label all oposition as "childreen" isnt arguing much. Those incels arent properly going to the streets and shitting on everyone. Just look at how people reacted when trump won.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 18:08:52 2019 No.12615746 >>12612511 Go to tumblr and you'll find them.

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 18:10:43 2019 No.12615754

>>12615704
Mostly all virgins are just extremely egoistical and self-centered, that's literally all there is to it. Blame everyone else, blame the entire gender or the world, aim for only the top 5% of women while you're in the bottom 5% of men. Don't see any effort to look better or to grow as a person. Live such a miserable life that you feel like there has to be a magical way to fix it, project that to a relationship because that's what you lack. In reality if you need a relationship to be happy or to function like a normal human being, you've got some deeper issues you should take care of

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 18:12:03 2019 No.12615763 Threads like these are proof that reddit won.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 18:12:54 2019 No.12615770 >>12615704 Like there aren't any gradations and you have to put everything into black/white terms. It's either sunshine or this. What lies have you been told about women all your life? As if locker room talk was ever flattering towards women.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 18:20:34 2019 No.12615809 >>12611268 lol

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 18:26:42 2019 No.12615847

>>12615741
>You simply say it isnt good because you dont find yourself in that situation and you see their "reaction" as threatening.
No, I'm not threatened by them at all. I just put stoicism above reactivity and try to cultivate that in myself. Reactivity is disinhibited and impulsive, indicating lack of control over yourself. It is not wrong to have emotions - the full spectrum - but what you do about them is what matters.

>Trying to label all opposition as "childreen" isnt arguing much.
Lol, what opposition? I don't see myself in any opposition to incels, they don't matter to me that much.
If someone throws tantrums to get their way, they are comparable by analogy to children, who act in similar ways. Children do this, because they are powerless and don't know any better, though. Some researchers believe that narcissists remain stuck in some early trauma, which is why they react in a fashion reminiscent of an earlier stage of emotional developmenta. I believe ER had such a narcissistic wound, based on his writings.
Political protests aren't really the same as children's tantrums, however, that's retarded.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 18:26:51 2019 No.12615848 >>12615172 t. woman who subtly points at herself with the premise of not being "like that"

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 18:48:14 2019 No.12615979 >>12615763 Go back to your echochamber, you underage faggot.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 19:00:25 2019 No.12616041 >>12612511 >femcels don't exist https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtnaJG1FarE

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 19:00:41 2019 No.12616044

>>12615741
Not that anon.

Heres two pence: reactivity is good only when you need to make snap decisions. It cannot be your main mode of being, or people can just bait you into doing whatever they want.

As for incels not taking to the streets, i'd chalk that down to selfpreservation rather than morality. A blackpill incel board talks about killing more than /k/; a lot of them would do it if given a reasonable chance of getting away withit.

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 19:01:48 2019 No.12616051

>>12615847
>Political protests aren't really the same as children's tantrums, however, that's retarded.
That is simply untrue.
>do this, because they are powerless and don't know any better, though.
Cant disagree with you that way of thinking. But if i was in a similar situation as them, i would fairly believe i would be reacting in a similar fashion. The other anon adresses the problem very clearly, social skills dont really matter, what matter most is finding someone you can relate to and that you see conversation comes easily without feeling forced to play "the game". I just think the best way to dissolve the "incel" problem is not by smashing them into pieces but rather sympathise and guide them.
>I just put stoicism above reactivity and try to cultivate that in myself.
Tbh i stoped putting faith in stoicism since it was such a flawed philosophy. Specially when it comes to dealing with stuff of mind/body and spirituality. Its very close to the pseud buddhist kind of shit that tries always to prevent people to get "too attached" to things and prevents to act based on their self-interest.
Trying to convince himself he is a person of sharing and giving when in reality every action is always based on self-interest.

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 19:04:50 2019 No.12616070

>>12615754
You don't need to be an incel to be a misogynist. Women are ignoble by means of evolutionary pressure, plenty of men see that. Their position in history is no accident.

Arguably incels exist in some detached place where women can actually be seen in a better light, about half tend to think too much of them rather than the reverse.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 19:06:03 2019 No.12616072 File: 1.41 MB, 1904x895, [HorribleSubs] Watamote - 10 [1080p].mkv_snapshot_17.37_[2019.02.17_18.33.35].png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12615763 The only thing that keeps me sane is the hope that it's just bait bating bait being baited.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 19:06:37 2019 No.12616077 >>12609540 >plunging his penis into my sister's vagina through her closed room door Man, that's a really tough penis that can fuck a bitch through her closed room door.

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 19:10:53 2019 No.12616103

>>12616044
>As for incels not taking to the streets, i'd chalk that down to selfpreservation rather than morality. A blackpill incel board talks about killing more than /k/; a lot of them would do it if given a reasonable chance of getting away withit.
Tbh when i talk about incels i think more of the lone /r9k/ poster that has trouble connecting with people and sometimes says "mean" stuff about women whe he is angry, rather than those guys.
I dont really think they are representative of the whole "community". Same way trying to label all of 4chan user's as nazis.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 19:17:31 2019 No.12616144 >>12614738 Then why are you asking for sympathy and concern when you refuse to give any?

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 19:19:10 2019 No.12616153
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>>12615754
>egoistical and self-centered
There is literally no problem with that. All actions are self-centered in some way and conditioned by spooks.
Aside from science and laws of physics, reason only lies in the self-interest and the ego.
>All virgins are bad "egoist" people
>How dare they blame an entire gender
You dont see the irony, do you?

>aim for only the top 5% of women while you're in the bottom 5% of men. Don't see any effort to look better or to grow as a person. Live such a miserable life that you feel like there has to be a magical way to fix it, project that to a relationship because that's what you lack. In reality if you need a relationship to be happy or to function like a normal human being, you've got some deeper issues you should take care of
It doesnt even take to be an incel to realise how full of shit that is. Literally go talk to anyone on /r9k/.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 19:20:14 2019 No.12616157 >>12613517 elliot seems like a man who mad it his job to hate

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 19:29:08 2019 No.12616202

>>12615754
Then what's with all the Normie stories how their girlfriend helped them out of depression and motivated them to get better? I mean, if you don't need relationships to be happy or function like a normal human bean, then why do people even make friends? I mean, just cut everyone out of your life, you don't need them.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 19:36:36 2019 No.12616243 >>12611268 Samuel is a fucking beast. He fucked so hard that penetrated a door and made her brother kill people out of despair.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 19:36:41 2019 No.12616244 >>12612514 >Idon't know a single person that uses tinder on a regular basis. I'm moving to your country, get me out of this degenerate yes I said DEGENERATE cesspit

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 19:37:26 2019 No.12616249 >>12616243 fag

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 19:39:43 2019 No.12616257

>>12614790
Yeah some people have it shittier by being born ugly.

But
A) world population swell and the number of average and ugly cunts in the subway are proof that theres a chance for almost anyone to get laid.

B) ER was NOT ugly. Fukken look at him. If he wasnt IRL an autist with a swollen head, he looks like a PUA in all his vids and pics.

I did read his manifesto. He thought he deserved a Valkyrie just based on genes and looks.

He doesnt get that since a nigger can get "his" blond, he must be missing something in his math.

No, he prefers to think that women are evil, and the world is conspiring to deny him blondpoon. That absolves him of any responsibility for his failure, or need to improve. Look at his selfidentified epithet, SupremeG. SUPREME. There GOAT. NO possibility, no ROOM for ANY improvement.

This is a little shitlord who didnt try, didnt want to try, emptied a gun as a cope for not being able to empty his balls.

Unless you want the same comfy removal of burden onto other people that ER does, i fail to see how you can sympathise with him on any count other than sexual frustration.

WTF man, we all got less poon than we'd like; people think they deserve a prize for that now?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 19:41:03 2019 No.12616263 >>12616249 Haha triggered incel.

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 19:41:33 2019 No.12616266

>>12616051
>That is simply untrue.
How so?

>I just think the best way to dissolve the "incel" problem is not by smashing them into pieces but rather sympathise and guide them.
Yes, I agree. There is a lot of superficial talk about incels, which doesn't go into psychology, but is just based on crude stereotyping and ostracization. But they don't need to be coddled either and that's the other extreme I often see.

>Tbh I stopped putting faith in stoicism since it was such a flawed philosophy.
I don't subscribe to full-fleged stoicism as a philosophy either, I just mean trying to be calm and collected, not jumping straight into some reaction based on an impulse and strong emotions.
Speaking of self-interest, this gives you a lot of leeway - time to think through what you will communicate, preventing escalation (which will sabotage you too) and a sense of self-control which is satisfying in and of itself.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 19:43:29 2019 No.12616273 >>12616263 i´m not the one getting horny because some dude is a beast on bed, calm down fag

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>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 19:44:04 2019 No.12616277 >>12616257 He looked like a creepy androgynous sperg

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 19:47:30 2019 No.12616292

>>12616070
Joining in.

>Ignoble
If evolution is what decides personality traits, "ignoble" is just a suite of traits. Noble\ignoble suggests transcendental or spiritual, in any case metaphysical value. If our starting point is evo pressure, there are no noble or ignoble traits, only successful or unsuccessful.

Suggest stop using noble, honor. These have to do with morality ideas. Using them in arguments hinging on evo confuses the issue.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 19:48:42 2019 No.12616300 >>12616277 I'm sure you think so. If he never opened his damn sewer i'd peg him 7/10, no irony.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 19:49:31 2019 No.12616304 >>12616077 Despite his attempts to be a priapism of male-dominance, Elliot's modifier was still dangling...

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 19:50:25 2019 No.12616307 >>12616292 Altruism. It’s genetic. The source of honour. Mirror neurons and a prefrontal cortex that is able to filter emotions

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 19:50:40 2019 No.12616308

>>12616292
Morality is an evolutionary consequence. You are out of your depth.

Success has really nothing to do with the female gender in terms of evolutionary pressure, that's precisely why they're ignoble. Look it up, people have VASTLY more female ancestors than male. Something like 20 women would reproduce for every 1 man. Women have intrinsic value, there is no pressure on them to become valuable or to struggle. It's just a biological fact.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 19:50:54 2019 No.12616309 >>12615498 >infantilizing >”””””social””””””” explanations for psychopathology i wonder where you came frum?

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 19:52:21 2019 No.12616316

>>12616202
Because companionship is convenient for many activities and people enjoy talking to each other? It's true that romantic relationships are a bit more emotionally needy, but even if you feel complete, there is still some quality time in romance. It's promising in so many other ways than just as a solution to despair.
What anon means is that others won't complete you like a missing puzzle piece, as if they are gatekeepers of your happiness.
The things I've mentioned above are less desperate reasons for friendships/relationships than this.

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 19:53:21 2019 No.12616325

>>12616277
The success of prettyboi j/kpop, Bieber, makes celerywrist smoothbabies =\= sexual noncompetitors.

Not saying i like them, but the ticketsales prove girls do.

Hell, look at any boyband starting from the Beatles. Which of them dont look like they wont get thrown about in jail like a chewtoy?

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 19:54:17 2019 No.12616332

>>12615498
If you actually listened to anything he said or read anything you wrote you'd realize what a ridiculous reduction this is. He was very clearly psychopathic and unfortunately for him low IQ, no amount of socialization would change that. You can detect it in his every word, it's a thing trying to be a person, but not very well.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 19:56:03 2019 No.12616345 >>12616325 Maybe it’s something after the fact but he doesn’t look right. Prettyboi or not.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 19:57:16 2019 No.12616349 >>12616345 I mean it like Jimmy Saville amd Durianrider also don’t look right.

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 19:57:26 2019 No.12616352

>>12616308
Okay, let us say it is. Morality = evo consequence.

My thinking is:
Whatever women are doing to ensure the transmission of (their) genes cannot then be considered immoral. Even cuckpicking. Pls dismantle this? I am interested in your reconciliation of successfulbreeders = ignoble.

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 19:58:32 2019 No.12616358

>>12616332
>and unfortunately for him low IQ
This is probably the most salient point itt and is sorely underappreciated. Plenty of psychopaths live fine lives, about half of CEOs are psychopathic, but the Rodge...he was the type to sincerely believe and be affected by /pol/, he was simply without discernment and became obsessed with sex and identity while having neither. His real impotence was in his inability to parse the value and real world nature of these things.

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 19:59:04 2019 No.12616362

>>12616332
Elliot didn’t have a low iq he was psychotic and couldn’t develop a coherent theory of mind and seemed to have a constant interpenetration of emotional psychosocial and abstract models of reality most of which were lazy or borrowed from smarter equally unstable people. Many of the fantasies he expressed require at minimum a slightly above average iq to construct.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 19:59:40 2019 No.12616366 >>12616352 >Whatever women are doing to ensure the transmission of (their) genes cannot then be considered immoral. The point is precisely that they aren't doing anything, they don't need to.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 20:00:38 2019 No.12616370 >>12616316 So, you're saying everyone is naturally a loner and doesn't need other people but has relationships with them anyway?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 20:00:40 2019 No.12616371 >>12616362 He couldn't even communicate outside of tropes and cliches, you're deeply mistaken.

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 20:01:02 2019 No.12616375

>>12616362
>he was psychotic and couldn’t develop a coherent theory of mind
Idk how people don,t understand this from his manifesto. He wasn't just a weirdo, he was genuinely mentally ill in at least two ways, the narcissistic delusions, and the complete inability to understand social interaction

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 20:02:27 2019 No.12616379

>>12616266
>How so?
Simple. There are political protests that can be literal tantrums.
>But they don't need to be coddled either and that's the other extreme I often see.
I think its preferable the sympathetic approach in any of the matter. This is more often then not an emotional problem that also lies in human instincts and trying to conduct "reason" isnt really gonna do anything. I think their phenomenon tells us a lot about the current problems in our society (maybe i've just read too much houellebecq).

>Speaking of self-interest, this gives you a lot of leeway - time to think through what you will communicate, preventing escalation (which will sabotage you too) and a sense of self-control which is satisfying in and of itself.
Acting on self-interest doesnt really imply you are just gonna jump into the first thing that jumps into your head. Self-interest is simply acting without letting spooks get into your way. Even actions that seem truly altruist are in fact for egoistic means in the end.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 20:03:02 2019 No.12616384 >>12609540 INCELS ARE WHAT FEMINISTS WANT IN ORDER TO JUSTIFY FEMINISM

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 20:05:44 2019 No.12616399

>>12616308
>No struggle to become valuable

Disagree. Finishing school for ladies, vestal virgins as a religious meme, emphasis for homecraft (crf weaving in ancient Greece, book of proverbs "virtuous woman" householder, kimchee making in all koreas) indicate that there is a female value, mostly as homesteaders. Value is not expressed in killcount, buildings made, techlevel achieved; someone has to take care of the boring shit.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 20:07:51 2019 No.12616404 File: 70 KB, 306x306, 1524160548762.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >all these psueds ITT Yikes

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 20:08:09 2019 No.12616405

>>12616370
No, not naturally. Feeling complete is something you can achieve through self-growth.
It doesn't mean you have no need for other people's company, just that you have no need for their presence in your life to complete something missing within you. As if they are gatekeeping your happiness and you need to maintain their presence to achieve it. Making it all dependent, contingent upon their presence. It's a state of mind.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 20:08:19 2019 No.12616406 >>12616399 And then you wake up and discover the world of instagram whores. Worth entire kingdoms, yet no value aside beauty

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 20:09:24 2019 No.12616411 >>12612491 Thank you for neatly combining mindless reddit word virgin hate with leftism

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 20:10:34 2019 No.12616416 >>12616366 Mm, solid. Point taken. Do you have any accounting for oldmaids though? They dont get to pass their genes; how can you know how many of these there were, to compare with historical incel men?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 20:15:14 2019 No.12616435 File: 166 KB, 754x648, myfinalform.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12616405 Fine, no friends, no girlfriend, no sex. I'm going full monk mode, thanks.

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 20:18:10 2019 No.12616449

>>12616406
Instagram is a recent plague. Its not even 50yo. I grant that it is fucking toxic, a ratrace for glamour between npcs.

IG and other social media has given a multiplier effect to superficial charisma. I do not deny it.

But. E-whores tend not to make good wives. They are very insecure and selfish, as a general trend. Unless they stop, they cant take care of a man (primary defender), and cant sacrifice for the child. That household has no longterm value.

Take Snookie. She stopped most of her BS upon motherhood. My point is, thottery and motherhood/truwaifu are entithetical. Gotta look at the long game, 40 years at least.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 20:19:56 2019 No.12616459 >>12616404 >smug no effort post A true batrachian.

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 20:20:09 2019 No.12616460

>>12616379
>There are political protests that can be literal tantrums.
Fair enough, but that's not all there is to protests.

>This is more often then not an emotional problem that also lies in human instincts and trying to conduct "reason" isnt really gonna do anything.
It is an emotional problem, but with coddling I basically mean indulging those very same emotions ad nauseam. It must be approached in the affirmative, but it can't end there. Otherwise, it's just an extension of the incel community itself, not a (benevolent) dismantling.

>(maybe i've just read too much houellebecq)
He's a good author, imo, but very cynical. He's too contrarian and kind of doing it for attention, referecing the "big scandals" of society to get a reaction from people.

>Even actions that seem truly altruist are in fact egoistic means in the end.
It's mostly true, but I would leave some room for compassion. It's better than empathy in that it can really be a choice to listen to the other unconditionally and offer free advice (free means - you don't demand the other person will follow it or otherwise you get offended - sort of like, take it or leave, this is what I would do), while empathy means that you can feel along, but be bothered by it and impatiently try to stop the other person from "infecting" you with those emotions.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 20:22:58 2019 No.12616478 >>12616435 If you want to. As I've said, it's a state of mind and what you do with it, action-wise, is up to you. It does not entail having no relationships anymore. Relationships add something to your life, whether you feel complete or not.

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 20:24:10 2019 No.12616484

>>12616406
Nah mate, not entire kingdoms.

Market rate for actual porntier prostitutes is maybe 500$. "Entire kingdoms" is grossly overestimating their pussy rental, since by common admission they're very basic in sensibility and intellect.

I suggest you might be setting a few of them on pedestals anon. It is quite inaccurate.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 20:29:39 2019 No.12616505 >>12616375 I think a big part of it is the people who dont see it actually do, but discount it heavily in order to make amartyr out of this aut. They Need him to be right.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 20:33:24 2019 No.12616519 >>12616406 Add: Whores are worth little, and they know it. Thats why they try to make themselves COST more, crf Weinstein, TrumpxStromi,et lol.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 20:45:45 2019 No.12616570 >>12616406 Add: Even assuming "entire kingdoms" valuation, their depreciation starts from like 21, at a rate comparable to cars. Loss of virginity? INSTANT -50% standing value.

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 20:48:10 2019 No.12616582
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>>12616460
Not previous anon.
>Otherwise, it's just an extension of the incel community itself, not a (benevolent) dismantling
That is one thing im afraid. In this "dismantling" things will simply boil down to lack of "power" , property and owness compared to the current "status quo"
Many of the things incels say is bullshit meant to only steam off rage, that is true, but i think there are also biological factors in both the way men and women behave that make this always happen. Things like women having the rule of the "choosers" and much low standards to enter the "sexual market" and men being much, much more disposable. Men that are deemed as "losers" will always be losers and never get any help when he cries for it, while a woman is much more easily helped, heard and has also a "subconscious" sense of this value she has. And i think that reflects very well in things such as suicide rates.
I think its inevitable, there is always a need for "losers" to exist in this world that we cant get rid of as living beings. "Normal" people will always need to have something to look down on as inferior in someway in order to validade their existance and be happy.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 20:51:24 2019 No.12616603 >>12615679 >I disagree, look at retards. Retards dont even have the a close preception of reality as you do. When you show off as superior they wont bite it. They are playing a complete diferent game from yours.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 20:52:08 2019 No.12616606 >>12609958 loled >>12609618 >>12610002 ok women dont have passions i agree but this shit is implying all men are winners and is far from reality, also most women dont even care or envy what men do, only feminists and misandric ones faggots

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 20:57:05 2019 No.12616628 >>12609618 >with a most hole between your legs It couldn't be more obvious how obsessed these guys are with having sex, and obsessed with their own weakness to this desire - this kind of talk is the definition of sour grapes.

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 21:01:48 2019 No.12616652

I personally know a sorority girl who attended UC Santa Cruz in 2014 and had friends murdered by Elliot Rodger. She might have been murdered herself had she been in the wrong place

She is honestly a walking embodiment of Elliot Rodger's philosophy. Extremely sexy, extremely whorish, extremely "normie." Very privileged, very social, basically an airheaded EDM thot who loves travel and the Office

I think just being in Santa Cruz probably did a lot to the guy's mental state. Everybody there is a good-looking fit little fuck bunny who thinks about nothing but cock and pussy 24/7. It's like the Wall Street of the sexual marketplace. Honestly seems like sort of a nice life. But to be an incel there of all places must be hell on earth. Is Houellebecqian a term yet? I imagine Elliot's entire life must been like Bruno's visit to the nudist camp, except more unsuccessful

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 21:03:33 2019 No.12616663 >>12609618 pic is pretty MGTOW, but mostly true. Most Women barely have consciousness let alone any of the spirit that drives man for greatness

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 21:04:58 2019 No.12616666 >>12610002 men are responsible for the way women behave and think. Sadly most Western men have been (((corrupted))) with egalitarian propaganda and BPA estrogen.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 21:06:07 2019 No.12616670 File: 99 KB, 1024x638, 1550107929887.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12616666 Absolutely based and checked

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 21:07:04 2019 No.12616673 File: 44 KB, 480x480, 1549074611403.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12612491 >praxis use of this meme makes it pretty clear what kinda person you are. And it's not fun to be around. Reddit mindset is frowned upon here

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 21:09:20 2019 No.12616681 >>12614065 Enjoyment with sex (for mental well individuals) is only found after conquest

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 21:15:49 2019 No.12616711

>>12609540
I read it, and found it quite interesting. The initial parts of his autobiography were quite typical, although badly written, but towards the end he gets increasing obsessed and almost messianic in his vision of himself. Obviously there was a certain amount of self-censorship, but on the whole his lunacy is fully there for you to see. The one thing I have to say though is that although he claims to have read a lot of books about "history and politics", it really doesn't show in his writing. He was not a particularly intelligent person; he just desperately tried to fit in, failed, and then went mad.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 21:18:55 2019 No.12616728 >>12612729 >>12612782 godthis is like a nice larp parody for autists

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 21:41:00 2019 No.12616827 >>12616673 >everything I don’t like is reddit I only dropped that word coz incels have been trying to sell themselves as sexual marxists a few months ago with the redistribution of sex stuff. I have never posted in reddit before faggot.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 21:43:44 2019 No.12616840 >>12616827 >incels have been trying to sell themselves as sexual marxists ...are they not

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 21:44:55 2019 No.12616849 >>12615754 >aim for only the top 5% of women while you're in the bottom 5% of men. Most of us are fine with anyone who's not fat (hell some of us are fine with that too).

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 21:45:57 2019 No.12616855 >>12615763 reddit won in 2016. we are living in post reddit takeover era

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 21:52:38 2019 No.12616887 >>12612516 yeah but even ugly women can get average men

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 22:01:03 2019 No.12616928 >>12610002 this is your brain on incel

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 22:09:56 2019 No.12616974 File: 247 KB, 1200x1042, Brainlet_cc06fd_6615771.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12614860 can you fucking commies CONCEIVE OF ANYTHING not being the fault of capitalism??

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 22:40:04 2019 No.12617113 >>12616077 >>12616304 I feel like an injustice of language is being done by not acknowledging how funny this is.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 22:48:59 2019 No.12617135 Is it worse to be ugly or to be good looking and ER-tier autistic?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 23:27:08 2019 No.12617268 >>12610906 Come at me, cunt. Like you'll ever do that lelel

Anonymous Sun Feb 17 23:32:23 2019 No.12617294

>>12617135
the latter. i've known plenty of ugly as fuck people (i'm talking missing teeth before 18 and borderline physical deformity) that live normal lives, with a wife and kids. look around in day to day life, you'll find that most people are kind of fucking ugly.

it's a shame that incels don't realize this. they all need therapy but either can't afford it or don't think it will help.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 17 23:53:24 2019 No.12617386 >>12616840 If they were, they would be with femcels critiquing lookism instead of lusting over Stacies.

Anonymous Mon Feb 18 00:11:01 2019 No.12617446

>>12617268
>>12617294
>>12617386

All of this is literally retarded. You are a disembodied voice on a Mongolian Patchouli-Packing Website. Like, your ego is a fucking whisper of dust to anyone who is reading this outside of the projected identity they might affiliate with, which has so much less to do with you than it does with them that you might as well be a fart from a mildly dyspeptic cat on a windy day - inaudible and undetectable beyond that sense which you imagine being able to sense whatever scent you imagine you have dispersed into the atmosphere.

You're a fucking ghost arguing with another ghost. And you think you're going to win something.

Anonymous Mon Feb 18 01:08:00 2019 No.12617681

>>12617446
i'm >>12617294 and i have no fucking clue why you felt the need to say this. i spent a few years as a /r9k/ regular, shrouded with a light sense of misogyny, consumed by self-loathing and self-pity and all that other shit. and i talked with a lot of robots who were good people, a few who were bad people. and i watched the incel arena become what it is now. i don't disagree with anything you just said. but again, why you felt it was something worth saying is beyond me.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 18 01:29:40 2019 No.12617760 >>12617681 Well, consider it a warm hug, then. Times are tough for everyone.

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