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Why do brainlets read fiction to learn things when there are many non-fiction books which are better suited for this purpose?

>> No.12601043

1/10

>> No.12601044

Cause humans like stories

>> No.12601045

>>12601042
>what is defamiliarization
>what is mimesis
>what is identification with protagonist
>what is cognitive estrangement

Literature is able to describe reality in ways non-fiction often can't.

>> No.12601047

>>12601045
sure it does, buckaroo

>> No.12601048

>non fiction
That does not exist

>> No.12601049

>>12601042
Why do non-fiction autists constantly complain about people who read fiction?

>> No.12601050

cause OP's mom loves cocks lol

>> No.12601345

Most philosophers are autistic social outcasts. Taking their rambling seriously is like taking life advice from 4chan. At least when there is a good story around their philosophy I might read through a book of theirs.

>> No.12601355

Imagine unironically thinking non-fiction exists. Literally believing in Santa tier of mental childhood.

>> No.12601375

>>12601049

Because they need to cling onto their materialist worldview, where citations satiate their supposedly empirical perspectives.
They are usually the most boring, obnoxious atheists who cannot weigh up information without being seduced by it, therefore wish to disparage anything that has the potential to make them or others question not only the fundamental aspects of scientific theories but the necessity to espouse those theories at all.

A coping mechanism for existential dread basically. Ironically the thing they accuse religious people of doing.

>> No.12601387

Why do people draw real things when there are pictures that perfectly represent those things?

>> No.12601393
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12601393

>the absolute state of these bootyblasted fictionfags

>> No.12601418

>>12601045
>>what is identification with protagonist
lol this reddit fag has to have a connection with the protagonist

>> No.12601944

>>12601418
>I can't come up with a good argument so I'll call him Reddit
What a fag

>> No.12601977

>>12601042
Women can't into non-fiction

>> No.12602016

>>12601042
How do you learn fiction?

>> No.12602022

>>12601977
s... SHUt UpPpPPp! *drools*

>> No.12602276

I agree.
Fiction is for entertainment.
Non-fiction (philosophy) is for learning.

>> No.12602291

Why is it cool to hate fiction on this board and worship philosophy?
Why do you guys hate people actually being creative and have such a hard on for refined pedantry?

>> No.12602292

>>12601042
>reading books to learn

There is nothing more brainlet than this. Literally everything that a book could have taught you can be learned from the internet in a fraction of the time.

The "books = knowledge" meme is an obsolete holdover from a time when messenger pigeons were the most advanced form of communication.

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>>12601418
>implying the best novel of history isn’t about connecting with the protagonist

>> No.12602421

>>12601944
let me guess your opinion of catcher in the rye
"ummm, i don't really like the book, ummm, cause, holden seems kinda shitty i dunno lol"
dumb fag

>> No.12602428

>>12602382
the best novel is ulysses, which is about cuckolding.
lol you identify with a cuck

>> No.12602446

>>12602421
Still haven't heard an argument from you buddy. You are arguing using a literal definition of a strawman. I've never read catcher in the rye. I wasn't even the guy you called "redditor"as an insult, before your pea-brain uses that argument. I was simply calling you out for being a retard and you proved yourself with this comment.

>> No.12602455

>>12601049
They feel guilty for failing to appreciate fiction. I've never met an intelligent person who has said, "I only read non-fiction."

>> No.12602470

>>12602292
>reddit spacing
Opinion discarded.

>> No.12602960

>>12602446
>buddy
i'm not ur buddy pal
>You are arguing using a literal definition of a strawman
ooo, ben shapiro over here with his facts and logic. good luck being a virgen

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>>12602428
>sometimes, person A likes a book because he connects with the protagonist
>therefore, person A can only appreciate a book whose protagonist he connects with
Looks like you need to read some non fiction

>> No.12604106

>>12602428
>the best novel is ulysses
shit taste

>> No.12604187

>>12602960
You are still resorting to calling names. Admit it - the internet has ruined your ability to debate and think coherently.

>> No.12605055

>>12602960
You sound pathetically underage

>> No.12605199

>>12602455
This or they actually feel superior. People like this are often humorless and boring.

>> No.12605210

>>12601042
I don't read fiction to learn things

>> No.12605213

>>12601042
I don't believe anyone's purpose for reading fiction is for learning. You are a true brainlet.

>> No.12605235

The whole point of fiction is that your prejudices get pandered to you. Nobody learns things from literature, they just get their biases reinforced.

Liberals read HP and think, look how bad racism and govt is, how important it is to rebel against corrupt govts.

Fascists read Heinlein and think: look how much more ordered society is under a military state. Fuck yes, I wanna know more.

Ancaps read Rand and think: Those govt fucks can go die off, I wanna go be with all the productive people in objectivist utopia. Also trains are fucking cool.

>> No.12605254

>>12605235

Sounds like you've got something up your ass and you ironicly let bias defeat your empathy and (lack of) imagination but don't think you've read much fiction. If you did you didn't understand what you read.

>> No.12605283

>>12605254

I read plenty of fiction. Most of it free and online, which distorts things somewhat.

What I notice is that they usually repeat the same themes in an incredibly nauseating way. They will put in these hamfisted characters, racists, rapists, sexists, bigots... just so they can be crushed or righteously killed. Because otherwise, murder is wrong.

I can appreciate fiction for its writing, for interesting ways of solving problems. However, the purpose of this thread was discussing 'learning' from fiction. Most people learn that 'the rebels are the good guys' or 'love always wins in the end': inane, stupid nonsense

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12605838

This is exactly the type of low-effort, low quality post that shits up this board. Obviously OP, fag that he is, made this post knowing full well the merits of fiction, but wanted the (you)'s. Of course, he's gotten them.

>> No.12605930

>>12602276
you guys are reading the wrong fiction, then.

I only read books that I can get something out of. Right now, I'm reading nonfiction 2 to 1 to fiction. but the fiction I read gives back something greater than "entertainment".

I got something out of The Dead and Araby from Joyce's Dubliner's.

I got something out of Sydney Carton's actions in Dickens' A Tale of Two Cities.

I shared the attic and walked the wet streets of a cold Jerusalem with Shmuel in Oz's Judas.

And I got a interesting perspective on how to live and what it means to be dead from Llewellyn's How Green Was My Valley.

there's a lot of shit fiction out there, and I myself have only scratched the surface of what's decent. but saying fiction is only for "entertainment" is bullshit.

>> No.12605946

>>12605283
>I read plenty of fiction.
>They will put in these hamfisted characters, racists, rapists, sexists, bigots... just so they can be crushed or righteously killed. Because otherwise, murder is wrong.
>Most people learn that 'the rebels are the good guys' or 'love always wins in the end': inane, stupid nonsense
I don't think you read much fiction.

>> No.12605947

>>12601042
people with an iq <130 aren't capable of understanding how the world works, they can only parrot and cargo cult things
>>12601045
things that film does better than literature and which aren't necessary for people who aren't so constricted by crippling congenital mental illnesses that they need to constantly abuse the plasticity of their phenomenology to pretend to expand their consciousness.

>> No.12606002

>>12605838
OP put in too much effort

>> No.12606635

>>12605946
>Trip fag
Just wanted to insult you, I'm not the guy you replied to.