/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.12599022]

>vaginally and anally raped
>strangled

[Anonymous No.12599163]

>right nipple cut off

[Anonymous No.12599170]

>the case was shelved

[Anonymous No.12599530]

Fate's part was my favorite. Felt Lynchean.

[Anonymous No.12599576]

>>12599530
100% agree with this. The ending with the blonde haired blue eyed suspect creates such a beautiful confusion. This section also mentioned FWWM so the similarities to Lynchian storytelling were intentional IMO

[Anonymous No.12599582]

>>12599022
they say it's one of the worst ways to go

[Anonymous No.12599618]

>>12599530
Also the section in Amalfitano's part when he talks about this book ("O'Higgins es araucano", by Lonko Kilopan) that tries to argue that the Araucanians came from Greece and had telepathic abilities is probably the section that stood out the most to me. The fact that this book exists and was written by an art teacher legally called César Navarrete that worked in my town's (population of about 250 mil) main public school (Liceo Abate Molina de Talca). The fact that I held this book in my hands and read it from start to finish. It was a surreal experience, you really end up wondering if this teacher was just a cracknut and/or a Pinochet agent. Strange shit had to have happened in this country for that book to exist. It's like Bolaño just made it up but somehow in a schizophrenic frenzy or dream I've read it. The copy I read was available at the Biblioteca Nacional de Chile, for anyone wondering. Pic realted is not mine, but that's the book.

[Anonymous No.12599657]

>>12599618
Didn’t actually think this would of have been a real book lol

[Anonymous No.12599673]

>>12599576
2666 mentions Fire Walk With Me?

[Anonymous No.12599677]

>>12599022
>Multiple Hyoid fractures

FUCKING HELL, BOLAÑO. It's Valentine's day. STOP. I don't want to read this.

[Anonymous No.12599679]

>>12599576
No no no, he said that Twin Peaks the SHOW was Lynch's best work

[Anonymous No.12599693]

>>12599618
I am so glad this actually exists. What the fuck is with Chile, dude. You guys produce Bolano, Neruda, Jodorowsky, and countless other artists (many of whom are batshit), plus borderline shizo works like this, and all the civil wars and constant bloodshed...
Is it the lithium flats, or something? Creating genius madmen and idiot savants?

[Anonymous No.12599717]

>>12599693
Don't forget Raul Ruiz too.

I don't know what to tell you. Lithium is mostly present in the northern part of the country. The south and center probably went batshit insane because of the dictatorship. If you read Distant Star you'll see that it's a clear example of how Pinochet fucked this country on a psychosocial level.

[Anonymous No.12599737]

>>12599022
>Orally, anally, and vaginally
Bolano btfo'd

[Anonymous No.12599739]

>moravagine
go home laddieux

[Anonymous No.12599744]

>>12599717
>If you read Distant Star
what do you mean? i've read it and i felt it was about some fucking psychotic poet. Give me some context please. Thanks.

btw not that anon you were talking to

[Anonymous No.12599751]

Rank Bolano

per me

2666> Savage detectives > Distant Star > Insufferable Gaucho> Last Evenings on Earth > Night in Chile

haven't read anything else

[Anonymous No.12599813]

>>12599022
>El Chile

[Anonymous No.12599824]

>>12599679
Yes but there was also a place named after FWWM in Spanish

[Anonymous No.12599832]

>>12599744
I mean, it's not just about a psychotic poet. He's also a military pilot in Pinochet's regime. He murdered and tortured women. He symbolizes the brutality of the regime. The twins he killed are symbolically the dictatorship's victims. I mean, the way people were tortured in the dictatorship is some fucked up stuff and weren't some isolated incidents caused by a few bad apples.

"From the persecution of Wieder's trace the melancholic memory of Arturo (Belano) is reconstructed and, at the same time, of the Chilean nation."

"For him (Belano), the sisters correspond to the pre-dictatorship Chile, to an universe politically and artistically effervescent, a pure national imagery. By identifying this Chile with the Garmendia's sisters, the nation is feminized and erotized, making it an object of desire which must be loved and protect. Nevertheless, as the novel's title suggests, Angelica is an always "distant" star, which in the end, being one of the Wieder photographs' murdered poets, represents the dismemberment of Arturo national imagery. In Arturo's world, the sisters condensate in themselves the irreconcilable death of such order. En el mundo de Arturo las hermanas condensan , they are the feminine incarnations of an imagery and a purity impossible to rescue"

Source: K. Chaar Perez (2011), La lógica del trauma: dictadura, postdicasura y melancolía en Estrella Distante
(my translation)

[Anonymous No.12600196]

>>12599832
>a purity impossible to rescue
Is this why they just let the bastard Weider drink wine in the last scene and not capture him?

At one point i thought - The detective, Romero, who was looking for Weider at the end, had been hired by Weider himself to find out if our man Arturo still remembered Wieder so that Wieder could kill Arturo to remove all witnesses or something. There's a line -“As we were leaving Barcelona, I asked him who his client was. A Chilean, said Romero. ”


I guess we'll never know. Bolano is a genius is all i know, even to a foreigner like me who knows nothing about Chile.


Thanks a ton, anon. You're very kind. That makes a lot of sense. I wish i'd read that before reading the book. Cheers!

[Anonymous No.12600703]

Reading this rn and just finished the first section.

[Anonymous No.12601034]

>>12600703
Thoughts so far?

[Anonymous No.12601180]

>>12601034
How did you guys get through the first 50 pages. The run-on sentences were a fucking nightmare to read. By the times you'd finish the damn sentence you'd forget what it was even about.

[Anonymous No.12601229]

>>12599751
Insufferable Gaucho shouldn't be that high. Read Nazi Literature of the Americas and The Return

[Anonymous No.12601417]

>>12599693
Chile has the unfortunate historical distinction of being the only (fairly affluent) country in the world to get an avowedly Marxist government into power solely through the existing political structures, only to have it, and all its achievements completely annihilated by a brutal CIA-backed coup that lead to nearly two decades of death squads and poverty.

[Anonymous No.12601478]

>>12599717
Not that guy, but I've seen two of Raul Ruiz's movies ("Three Crowns of the Sailor" and "Hypothesis of the Stolen Painting") and enjoyed both immensely. What other movies of his should I also check out, and where can I even download them? His stuff is hard to come by.

[Anonymous No.12601502]

>>12601478
See https://letterboxd.com/jakeaesthete/list/a-beginners-guide-to-raul-ruiz/

This is a pretty good guide into his movies, and the guy that made it is sending the movies that you ask for directly to your email. Check the notes and the comments. I've found some of his movies in YT and torrent, but yes they can be hard to find, so maybe email this Jake guy it might be worth the shot.

[Anonymous No.12601511]

>>12599022
>That cover with a painting of Gustave Moreau
What a bliss to my eyes

[Anonymous No.12601530]

>>12601511
I have pic related hardcover, pure bliss. My ex gf gifted it to me for my 19th birthday three years ago

[Anonymous No.12601628]

>>12601180
Lol nigga I read this book when I was 15 and it was easy as fuck, maybe you should start with some of his easier works? Brainlet

[Anonymous No.12601765]

>>12601180
I remember the book getting easier to read after the first section. No idea if it was intentional (since part 1 is about faggot literati types) or if I just got used to it. But stick with it, you’ll be fine.

[Anonymous No.12601769]

>>12599618
I remember looking this up when I came across this section in the book, and was stunned when I found out it was real.

[Anonymous No.12602134]

Archimboldi > Killings > Critics > Fate > Amalfitano

[Anonymous No.12602202]

Insufferable garbage, said Juan de Dios Martínez

[Anonymous No.12602607]

>>12599717
>Pinochet fucked this country on a psychosocial level.

Can you elaborate on this? How does this manifests?

[Anonymous No.12602615]

>>12599824
Ah you're right

[Anonymous No.12602909]

>>12602607
I think I laid it out pretty succinctly in >>12599832.

If you want to go in deeper and read more concrete examples you can read:

>Breaking the
Silence:
Gabrielle Marsh (2013). "Effects of the Dictatorship on Chilean Society" -
An Analysis of Four Works of Chilean Literature:
La Muerte y La Doncella by Ariel Dorfman, Estrella
Distante, and Nocturno de Chile by Roberto Bolaño,
and Por favor, Rebobinar by Alberto Fuguet
>https://ourarchive.otago.ac.nz/bitstream/handle/10523/4164/MarshGabrielleG2013MA.pdf

[Anonymous No.12602958]

>>12599022
I've read 2666 and still can't understand how it manages to be so boring despite all the gruesome scenes. Really a waste of time.

[Anonymous No.12603020]

>>12601417
so thank you, americans...

[Anonymous No.12603068]

>>12602958
Don't eat the bait. It is rotten.

[Anonymous No.12603115]

>>12599737
So I just read the synopsis of this book. How high do I need to be to read it?

[Anonymous No.12603116]

>>12601628
>lying on the internet
ebin

[Anonymous No.12603129]

>>12603020
Inevitable corruption of power, my friend

[Anonymous No.12603468]

I intensely disliked Savage Detectives. Is there a chance I'll like 2666?

[Anonymous No.12603520]

>>12603468
Why do you dislike it

[Anonymous No.12603535]

>>12603520
full of cunty pretentious snobby leftist poetry cunts

[Anonymous No.12603541]

>>12603535
Then maybe literature altogether just isn't for you.

[Anonymous No.12603545]

>>12603541
I'm usually fine with that, but the ones in The Savage Detectives were more aggravating than usual.

[Anonymous No.12604162]

>>12603535
Thats kind of the point. Bolano is roasting his youth and his friends' expectations and pretensions towards literature

[Anonymous No.12604247]

>>12604162
I got that impression also.

[Anonymous No.12604274]

>>12599022
Please. Somebody tell me. What is that book? What's it about?

[Anonymous No.12604281]

>>12604247
The idea that literature is a whore is expanded more on in Nazi Literatures, Distant Star and 2666, how something so lofty and loved by "leftist faggots" (Bolanos words) can be co-oped by literal fascists and made into something beautiful. It's an argument that one can frame whenever there is some sort of scandal of an artist doing something heinous (Bill Cosby, R Kelly) and how to separate the art from the artist

[Anonymous No.12604287]

>>12604274
Several people (group of academics, police and journalist) are drawn to a border city in Mexico wherein over the course of a decade hundreds of young women have been murdered