/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.12596317]

>writes with a Zimbabwe-tier economy of language
>superficial themes and meaning
>tumblr tards eat it up because they feel smart being able to understand something without using the little brainpower they have
How the fuck does anyone consider this shit quality poetry? Fucken muzhiks

[Anonymous No.12596347]

>>12596317
what else were you expecting from Tumblr then?
they want to feel comfortable without much thinking, just let plebs be plebs, be happy you're not as empty as those people

[Anonymous No.12596367]

Don't you dare put my country's name in your mouth mhata remunhu

[Anonymous No.12596415]

>>12596317
>How the fuck does anyone consider this shit quality poetry?
It gets people into reading poetry who would never read it otherwise. They don’t really have anything to compare it to do they think it’s amazing.

[Anonymous No.12596500]

>>12596415
They said this about Harry Potter for prose, it wasn't true then and it isn't true now. Lowering the bar does not help people get into reading.

[Anonymous No.12596543]

>>12596347
You know who else feels comfortable without much thinking? Incel pseuds that criticize poetry for teenage girls

[Anonymous No.12596553]

>>12596543
implying rupi kaur writers for teenage girls is an insult to teenage girls

[Anonymous No.12596570]

>>12596553
I don't care to know who she writes for. I'm too intellegent

[Anonymous No.12596571]

>>12596367
Check out your current inflation rate, I'm pretty sure it's in the billions. Nothing's wrong with your country/heritage, just your fucking economy. That's why I made the comparison to Zimbabwe's economy.

[Anonymous No.12596573]

>>12596570
>ok

[Anonymous No.12596577]

[Anonymous No.12596590]

>>12596317
That seems like a nice poem, do you hate it because people like it?

[Anonymous No.12596604]

>>12596571
>Nothing's wrong with your country/heritage

laughs-in-engineered-famine-stemming-from-racist-policies.jpg

[Anonymous No.12596611]

>>12596604
>racist-policies
c'mon now

[Anonymous No.12596615]

>>12596347
Bad taste hurts us all. This is not some feudal society where their choices are limited, where they will simply occupy the back benches of the crowd. In consumerism, the mob rules. These people with bad taste change the market. This changes the walls of our reality. The overton window applies not just to politics, but to all thought. That this is where the middle rests limits the heights anyone else can reach. You can have no Milton when Kuar sells millions. There are no victimless crimes, and that is especially true when it comes to taste.

[Anonymous No.12596619]

>>12596611
Seizing the properties of of minority farmers and exiling them is explicitly racist. It also leads to unnecessary famine.

[Anonymous No.12596620]

>>12596590
You treat them as if they have a heart like yours, but not everyone can be as soft and as tender as you. You don't see the person they are; you see the person they have the potential to be. You give and give till they have taken everything out of you and leave you empty.

It's just cat poster poetry.

[Anonymous No.12596631]

>>12596577
that’s a brilliant analysis

[Anonymous No.12596638]

>>12596620
That seems fair. It's not good, but it isn't some affront to my senses. Probably because it's just a poem and doesn't affect my life at all.

If someone on tumblr likes it, good for them.

[Anonymous No.12596642]

>>12596638
There is hardly anything more important than poetry.

[Anonymous No.12596671]

>>12596642
lolwut
I disagree, but you do you. The vast majority of people can go years without reading a poem that will affect them in any way; everyone values everything differently, but I don't see poetry topping the charts personally.

[Anonymous No.12596672]

>>12596619
aaand what race were those farmers?

[Anonymous No.12596689]

>>12596672
Lol are you going to say you can't be racist against white people? Even by the definition of institutional racism, the government using it's power to disenfranchise a minority from their property and citizenship is racist.

[Anonymous No.12596700]

I never really understood the appeal of poetry, but it's plain to see this isn't even real poetry, merely prose with arbitrary line breaks.

[Anonymous No.12596725]

>>12596500
Wrong:
https://qz.com/788817/two-harvard-divinity-school-graduates-explore-religion-and-spirituality-in-new-harry-potter-podcast/

[Anonymous No.12596742]

>>12596689
It's justified. The wh*te people were racist first

[Anonymous No.12596746]

>>12596671
Few important things are recognized as they happen. And the lack of good poetry, or people's inattention to it does not change its importance, but instead indicates how confused we have become.

[Anonymous No.12596762]

>>12596746
Would you care to elaborate how some preparation of flowery words is superior to every other form of media? Will you cite it's historical pedigree or your personal view on aesthetics?

Poetry is a spook, it is you who is confused.

[Anonymous No.12596766]

>>12596620

You treat them as if they have a heart like yours,
but not everyone can be as soft and as tender as you.
You don't see the person they are;
you see the person they have the potential to be.
You give and give till they have taken everything out of you
and leave you empty.

Lmao when you format it like actual poetry is so much better. There is even a small glimpse of a rhyme between "be" and "empty". It's still shit though.

[Anonymous No.12596770]

>>12596742
"Justified" racism is still racism. No ethnic cleansing was ever performed without "justification".

[Anonymous No.12596798]

>>12596762
Neither. The importance of poetry is found at the crossroads of metaphysics and mind. When you finally overcome the illusion of material supremacy, you will come to see the overbearing influence of desire and belief. The arts and humanities are not a reflection, but a cypher. Poetry, being the most basic, is the most primal way of teaching and remembering. Poetry is the invisible thread of civilization, the very fabric of what we truly hold in common across time.

[Anonymous No.12596808]

>>12596766
>format like poetry
You absolute pseud. The "formatting" of poetry is not what makes something a poem. A poem, stripped of its formatting, will remain a poem. Something that lacks poetry does not become poetry by its presentation. Poetry is a substance, not a style.

[Anonymous No.12596879]

>>12596798
[citation_needed]

[Anonymous No.12596884]

>>12596879
>is perfectly logical
>appeals to authority anyway

[Anonymous No.12596900]

>>12596884
Well, yeah. The logical thing to do when confronted with an extraordinary claim is to demand extraordinary evidence, and claiming that some phonemes put in order is a cypher to some unnamed metaphysical aspect is pretty extraordinary.

[Anonymous No.12596947]

>>12596900
>extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence
Could anyone be more onions? Of course, there is nothing extraordinary about your own beliefs, and it is all fully supported with perfect evidence, and there is nothing axiomatic in your thinking. I thought this board was supposed to be the smart one.

[Anonymous No.12596953]

>>12596317
>>12596911
quit it with all the kaur threads

[Anonymous No.12596969]

>>12596947
Are you trying to deflect from your lack of evidence by critiquing my world outlook? You don't know my outlook or values.

If you feel like your belief is valid, provide some justification and I would be happy to hear you out.

[Anonymous No.12596973]

>>12596725
>Professor, is this real? Or is it all just going on inside my head
>My dear boy, of course it's going on inside your head! But why on earth should that mean it's not real?
Some people will never be able to accept the fact that Harry Potter is a great series to introduce young people to reading and literature and something that can be appreciated as a reread as an adult.

[Anonymous No.12596981]

>>12596808
>A poem, stripped of its formatting, will remain a poem
>Poetry is a substance, not a style
>What are calligrams, metrics, flow, stanzas and verses amirite?!!!

The absolute state of /lit/

[Anonymous No.12597003]

>>12596981
Poetry that relies on gimmicks such as in your pic is the bottom of the fucking barrel

[Anonymous No.12597010]

>>12597003
Poetry is a gimmick though. Without gimmicks it's just prose.

[Anonymous No.12597022]

>>12596981
>refutes his claim with an extreme example he obviously wasn't referring to
>*tips fedora*
Did you not see that putting the rupi kaur shit into a "new format" changed nothing? Are you really that dense, Anon?

[Anonymous No.12597045]

>>12596742
citation needed

[Anonymous No.12597137]

>>12597003

Gimmick =/= style. Rhymes are not a gimmick, alliteration is not a gimmick, anaphoras are not a gimmick. They are just tools to make poetry, you not liking the formatting doesn't make it a gimmick.

>>12597022
>Extreme example

lmao what's extreme about a fucking calligram? Pic related is extreme. Besides, changing the formatting of rupi kaur's shitty poem changes a lot the flow and how you read it(granted, it is still shit, but it's better than before). Stop being such a contrarian pseud and read more poetry.

[Anonymous No.12597162]

>>12596969
No you wouldn't. You've already demonstrated that you are not interested in good faith discussion. I presented the fundamental structure of my argument, and instead of actually engaging with even a piece of it, you've made absurd remarks as though you are the Phoenix Wright of online philosophical conversations. This is /lit/, not r/ifuckinglovescience.

[Anonymous No.12597183]

>>12596981
There has never been a good calligram, and never will be. Metrics, flow, rhythm, etc. are not formed by the formatting, but by the internal relationships between the words themselves. A poem, properly read, ignores stanza, line break, verse and solely follows the flow of the words. The formatting exists solely as a mnemonic device, as a conceptual frame that helps to guide the reader through the poem, without changing any meaning.

[Anonymous No.12597200]

>>12597162
Well I'm sorry it was received that way. I saw your post as a statement of belief, and unless justification is provided, the only way to engage in that is by sharing in the belief. You're a random internet stranger and I see no reason to just agree with you for the sake of engagement.

If you give me something to contemplate and discuss, I would be happy to engage with you in a fruitful discussion, but you got to give me something to work with lol

[Anonymous No.12597239]

>>12597200
You lot always act the same. As soon as you are called out for acting in bad faith, you no longer have any defense of rationality. But of course, you cannot admit any fault on your part. You act apologetic, as though it is not who you really want to be, but only who you are forced to be by the frame of our conversation. And still, at the end, you place the blame elsewhere. If only I had given you something to work with. I gave you plenty to contemplate. Hardly anything particularly novel; I don't want to give you the idea that I think I am profound. But that only shows you as a pseud even further. If you actually had any interest or experience with philosophy, you could have easily found something to say, if you'd even found my comment worth responding to at all.

[Anonymous No.12597273]

>>12597239
Ok snowflake, I see that you can't talk about poetry without pushing your anger and negative outlook on others onto me. You accuse me of acting in bad faith, this is a fucking imageboard conversation. I have shrugged off your insults and attempted to further conversation, which is more authentic and earnest than 95% of content on this website.

You're right, I didn't find your post worthwhile, because it was simply a statement of belief without anything attached to it. I could just as easily say, "pottery in the cypher to mankind's true attributes of will and creation" but that's not worthwhile unless I expound on it, draw in reasons and evidence.

I'm out

[Anonymous No.12597286]

>>12597273
>Neither. The importance of poetry is found at the crossroads of metaphysics and mind. When you finally overcome the illusion of material supremacy, you will come to see the overbearing influence of desire and belief. The arts and humanities are not a reflection, but a cypher. Poetry, being the most basic, is the most primal way of teaching and remembering. Poetry is the invisible thread of civilization, the very fabric of what we truly hold in common across time.
You clearly didn't read the whole thing. Also, every affirmative statement is a statement of belief. Drop the reddit spacing, and I might be able to take you a little more seriously, but most everything you say reeks of someone who watches Hitchens videos to feel better about masturbating all day.

[Anonymous No.12597288]

>>12596317
Meh if people like Rupi Kaur what's wrong with that. Let's be fair if someone gets more out of it than Keats, say, then it is better to them than his poetry.

[Anonymous No.12597305]

>>12597288
Read the thread.

[Anonymous No.12597311]

>>12596742
My racism against black people is justified because they're thug gangbangers that account for 50% of crime

[Anonymous No.12597521]

>>12597305
Wait, this isn't Keats vs Rupi Kaur, my bad

[Anonymous No.12597748]

you post here as if
they have your autism too
but not everyone can give
a fuck about pseuds like you
you don't comprehend
the arguments they make
you see the stawman
what you want them to say
and post and post till
the understanding they got
of you the bluepill:
OP is a faggot

[Anonymous No.12597763]

>>12597748
Superb!

[Anonymous No.12598390]

>>12596500
Whatever sells retard.

[Anonymous No.12598407]

>>12596317
>Zimbabwe-tier economy of language
kek, not bad

[Anonymous No.12598438]

>>12596571
I don't know who is the dumb nigger in this situation. This guy who probably doesn't live in Zimbabwe or you for taking the bait.

[Anonymous No.12598448]

>>12596367
Zimbabwe doesn't exist. Zimbabwe has never existed. Zimbabwe will never exist.

[Anonymous No.12598494]

>>12598438
Do I really need to put a /s for your reddit-tier incomprehension?

[Anonymous No.12598531]

>>12596367
I didn't think you'd have the internet in Zimbabwe.

[Anonymous No.12598544]

>>12596317
>Zimbabwe-tier
Robert Mugabe did nothing wrong.
He is a man that stood up for his nation and his people. Were he not black, he could have prevented inflation and so forth from occurring by realizing the need of isolating all media, setting a strict standard on the perception of value, anyone who would disagree would get their head bashed in. Unfortunately, he didn't realize this and as such, Western influences were able to warp perceptions of value and subvert the populace against their leader and goal.
>>12596571
>the economy dude
Imagine being this bluepilled. Economy is driven by perceptions and force at the end of the day.
He took a stand. He might not have won but the man preached the truth and wanted to make the country a better place. Western Imperialists and those seeking to sow instability are the ones truly responsible for first saying "dude wtf, evil dictator inflation", and eventually this message reached the people there and sowed massive instability and resentment. Hillary Clinton's attack on Venezuela, including the poisoning of Hugo Chavez, and following her, the continued affront against Maduro are but another example of this.

If you weren't brainwashed, the only reason to hate Zimbabwe and its and go outright Rhodesia because anything else shows you're cucked. Look at all of Africa, there lack of success is because of a lack of strong nation states and extremely low IQ populations. Massive inflation shows nothing other than taking a stand.
Look up most any other leader of current African nations. All laughable. All paid shills happy to be monkeys in suits for international interests. Milquetoast retards like you are exactly the reason China needs to just come in and setup shop there and wipe out idiots concerned more man-made conundrums than improving the condition and cohesion of their people.

[Anonymous No.12598682]

>OP makes thread for the sole purpose of making Zimbabwe economy/economy of language joke

>thread actually becomes about Zimbabwe

The absolute state of /lit/

[Anonymous No.12598703]

>line breaks are gimmicks
jesus christ this is a shithole

[Anonymous No.12598752]

>>12598682
Talk shit, get hit.

[Anonymous No.12599401]

>>12598544
based

[Anonymous No.12600175]

>>12596742
Hitler was justified. The j*wish people were racist first

[Anonymous No.12600490]

>>12596317
Books were a mistake.
The only real living poetic tradition today is illiterate Pashtun Muslim goat farmer pastoral poetry.

[Anonymous No.12600976]

>>12596900
unironically Jewish mysticism

[Anonymous No.12601837]

>>12596577
This is cringe.
>you should be asking yourself how evil feminists are and not how horrible this bitch is at writing poetry you guysxD
>but don't question my interpretation plox

[Anonymous No.12601845]

>>12601837
What compels people to write such long paragraphs while saying so little?
I feel like a lot of philosophy could be boiled down to a couple of sentences and not be any less valid.

[Anonymous No.12601847]

>>12598544
Didn't realize Alex Jones was on 4chan now. Is this where you ran after Youtube banned you?

[Anonymous No.12602055]

>>12596367
based

[Anonymous No.12602073]

>>12596742
Thanks for stopping by lefty-pol.

[Anonymous No.12602104]

>>12596317
that can't be a real poem. please tell me that's not a real poem.

[Anonymous No.12602109]

>>12601845
but that's not how you rack up pseud points

[Anonymous No.12602121]

>>12596367
based

[Anonymous No.12602125]

>>12596543
based

[Qing Gatae No.12602187]

>>12596415
>>12596500
>>12596725

The first book I ever read was Captain Underpants. When I was in elementary and middle school, I read genre fiction. It wasn't until high school that I started to actually appreciate literary fiction and widen my taste to include poetry. That being said, I don't run a fucking Captain Underpants podcast, nor do I have a Tumblr posting fan art and gifs from the movies, nor do I base my entire fucking personality on "Which Captain Underpants Villain Are You?" Buzzfeed quizzes. Harry Potter for fiction and Kaur for poetry are questionable as jumping off points if readers never actually jump off. Their superficial themes, the former political and the latter emotional, hinder the reader by offering an illusion of fulfillment rather than the explicit negation of popular entertainment.

Captain Underpants critiques the education system, sure, but that critique goes against the very notion of intellectual fulfillment that schools impose on students. The books encourage young readers to take their education into their own hands and reject any sort of validation granted by society and its institutions. None of the books I read as a kid were the ones school made me read; they were the books I wanted to read. When I moved onto literary fiction, it was because genre fiction no longer excited me. It was the same, formulaic, three act "emotional rollercoaster" that you see in blockbusters and TV. I owe a lot to Captain Underpants,

This two second attention span "poem" with its artificial line breaks attempts to emulate poetry, not actually be it. Kaur's language is mundane and makes no attempt to transform the subject matter. When somebody writes a Facebook post mourning the death of a loved one, we empathize because of the subject matter, not the poster's language. It is not poetry; it's just sad. But with Kaur, her subject matter never even goes beyond a general feeling of angst. Even if her subject matter was compelling in and of itself, isn't admitting so proof that it doesn't even matter that it's "poetry, " that it may as well be a Facebook post? Poetry is not /supposed/ to be anything or /achieve/ anything in particular, but shouldn't it at least be or do something?

Tl;dr Captain Underpants is the shit, Kaur is just shit.

[Anonymous No.12602332]

>>12602187
The Harry Potter series is, judged solely on the writing, not terrible and a solid jumping off point for many young readers. The most critical part of that sentence though is Young Readers. Not young adults. The problem with Harry Potter comes not from the books, but from the commercialization of the books. The books have become a brand. It's not the books that limit people's literary understanding, but the brand. It's much like Star Wars; the first move is actually a cinema classic, with significant artistic commentary. The brand of star wars, though, has completely consumed that artistic value and made it almost impossible to access. The commercial venture relies upon the mythologization of the work, which in turn prevents an honest and accurate reading/criticism of the work. So, Harry Potter becomes like a corporate religion, complete with rituals and relics and pilgrimages, confessionals and apologies and saints.

All that said, Kuar is even worse. Kuar began with the commercialization. There was never anything of value which organically grew into corporate machinery. Kuar is pure branding as product, no content or substance, only packaging.

[Anonymous No.12602556]

>>12598544
Venezuela is imploding because their economy is over 90% based on fossil fuels, and oil prices crashed 16 months after Chavez died. from April 2011 to early 2016, oil fell to 1/4 of its peak value:
https://www.macrotrends.net/1369/crude-oil-price-history-chart
had they begun to diversify their economy 5 years after the Chavez populist revolution - or at least banked some of that cash in case oil stocks tanked - then they would have had some breathing room; instead they are out of money and out of answers, while Maduro goes full dictator.

[Anonymous No.12602653]

>>12596317
You read this poem and know that she's referring to herself, that she genuinely believes that she is this unique sensitive individual that gives and gives and never takes. Her readers believe this as well. It's hilarious.