Madonna-whore complex

[Anonymous No.12574920]

Literature that examines this phenomena [spoiler:lit]and how to overcome it?

[Anonymous No.12575019]

Why do you want to overcome it?

[Anonymous No.12575446]

>>12575019
because its not healthy to perceive all women like this but I can't stop

[Anonymous No.12575476]

[Anonymous No.12575493]

[Anonymous No.12575512]

>>12575446
Just go to college and take a few grievance studies classes.

[Anonymous No.12575513]

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[Anonymous No.12575526]

>>12575476
>>12575493
>>12575513
>>12575520
She's really cute.

[Anonymous No.12575531]

>>12575526
and so naive too, she only wants simple gifts

[Anonymous No.12575537]

>>12575476
>>12575493
>>12575513
>>12575520
>>12575531
What is this?

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[Anonymous No.12575548]

>>12575537
have you read Crime and Punishment? She's a real life Sonya

[Anonymous No.12575565]

the madonna-whore dichotomy is wrong. all women are whores.

[Anonymous No.12575584]

One wonders if the life of an Internet porn “star” is even more empty and painful than that of a prostitute traditionally.

[Anonymous No.12575650]

>>12575584
sex is meant to carry at least a modicum of sentiment. even a whore must be able to feel something beyond brute, mechanical action. im sure every prostitute in existence has at least one story of "that guy" who fell in love with her or at the very least managed to muster up a semblance of one-sided emotional attachment that only a truly pathetic shell of a human being is capable of. and not all of these cases ended up well for the whores, like there's a chance of ending up on the wrong side of a delusional stalker. pretty woman was a modern day fairy tale. for lack of better words, classical prostitution still had *soul*

modern pornography doesn't even have that. just two (or more) broken humans, utter empty husks, engaging in a mechanical action for the pure spectacle of it. it's a business so utterly depraved and utterly /CODIFIED/ most adult artists work as escorts and there's no doubt they enjoy that job infinitely more

[Anonymous No.12575832]

There is no "complex," it's an empirical observation of reality

Some women behave a certain way and are labelled appropriately.

Some women don't behave a certain way and are labelled appropriately.

There is no "nuance" to be had. There is no "normal person-child-murderer complex." It just is. If you don't murder kids, you are probably a normal person. If you murder kids, you are a child-murderer. If you don't fuck lots of strangers, you are probably a normal person. If you fuck lots of strangers, you are probably a whore. Simple as

[Anonymous No.12575877]

>>12575548
except she's retarded

[Anonymous No.12575886]

>>12575531
My soul is tamed by such innocence.

[Anonymous No.12575897]

>>12575565
All women are simultaneously madonnas and whores.

>>12575650
Isn't amateur porn supposed to be different ?

[Anonymous No.12575902]

>>12575832
Why would a normal person be classified as a madonna ? The original madonna was a virgin and the only human born free of sin as per Catholic theology.

[Anonymous No.12575923]

>>12575877
Even better.

[Anon No.12576119]

>>12575531
>>12575538
>>12575543

Not gonna lie I just cried like a little bitch over this.

[Anonymous No.12576124]

>>12576119
It is pretty tear inducing indeed.

[Anonymous No.12576153]

>>12575902
People don't actually define non-whores as Madonnas, it's a fictional psychological scenario intentionally designed to exacerbate the difference between whores and non-whores for rhetorical purposes. In reality, non-whores are simply normal people--not perfect, but certainly not whores

[Anonymous No.12576155]

>>12575543
Why is Pokemon Black so expensive? It came out like 7 years ago

[Anonymous No.12576156]

>>12575446
>its not healthy
Why not?

[Anonymous No.12576164]

>>12575493
This is why we need socialism. In the USSR her mother would have been forced to work, the lazy bitch.

[Anonymous No.12576166]

>>12576155
Nintendo never lowers their prices, it's just what they do

[Anonymous No.12576171]

>>12576119
you'd stop crying if you ever heard her tard voice

[Anonymous No.12576179]

>>12576166
That's because they know their worth. Have you notice how Sony's exclusive go to 20 dollars in less than a year? It takes a way from the experience. If I play a premium game I want to play a premium price. If they are asking cheap for something supposedly premium then it can't be too good.

[Anonymous No.12576425]

>>12575832
To call the Madonna/whore complex an “empirical reality” is nothing more than an attempt to claim power over women’s bodies. It’s not a description of the world, it’s a way of bracketing off all female experience into two reductive categories or extremes so you don’t have to deal with the complexity of a real hooman being.

[Anonymous No.12576431]

Hangover Square or the transcripts of the Neville Heath case

[Anonymous No.12576434]

>>12576179
> t. Jew accountant at Nintendo

[Anonymous No.12576439]

>>12575537
A porn star who is genuinely retarded. People feel like she's being abused by the industry

[Anonymous No.12576442]

this is messed up wtf

[Anonymous No.12576535]

Take the 2D pill. No more sacrificing your life-force to these women. You can never win with 3DPD!

[Anonymous No.12576566]

>>12576425
The Madonna-whore concept is a defensive one to make critique of whores seem malicious and ridiculous.
Nobody tries to "claim power over womens bodies" with it. Disliking and shunning whorish tendencies is a social norm and shaming these women is the means to enforce it.

Next you'll tell us that talking about health risks and sanitary issues of fat people is trying to lease their folds.

[Anonymous No.12576580]

>>12576425
>power over women's bodies
>femal experience
>complexes
>complexities of human being

F U C K O F F T O R E D D I T W H E R E Y O U B E L O N G

[Anonymous No.12576589]

>>12575476
>I don’t really need another child in my life, when I’m still one

[Anonymous No.12576593]

women are literally whores that end up being our mothers

[Anonymous No.12576603]

>>12576171
Honestly I feel like it would make it worse. I’m a different anon but me personally I have a soft spot for retards, so if she actually sounded retarded it would make the situation feel all the more tragic.

[Anonymous No.12576616]

>>12576439
No fucking wonder. Imagine being a 20 yo woman and being fucked by roidtards with inhuman dicks on a daily basis

[Anonymous No.12576658]

>>12576566
You’re thinking of it in a one sided way, the entire point is that it’s critical of the dichotomous nature of the complex. It’s a prescriptive claim about what women SHOULD be, not how they actually are, by defining women in two contradictory terms it gives you power over the entire spectrum of women in between by reducing them to polarities.

[Anonymous No.12576672]

>>12576593
This is basically where ressentiment begins. We are born in filth and stink and despise our mothers for not being the pure and virginal spirits we want them to be,m.

[Anonymous No.12576697]

>>12576658
The Madonna-whore complex is aimed at men. Specifically those that find hot sluts attractive while wanting their wives to be saintly Madonnas. It's not prescriptive how women should behave, it's an accusation leveled at men, how their desires are pathological, a complex.

[Anonymous No.12576719]

Let's say you want to take your wife out to dinner at an excellent restaurant. You've got a raise at work, it's your anniversary, there's some sort of excuse to spend big on a luxurious meal together. You decide to consult reviews of local establishments by food critics. The two regular restaurant critics in your local newspaper regularly post reviews, but they seem to have radically different tastes. The first one professes a taste for cheap fast food joints as much as he does haute cuisine, and when you consult his blog you find that his entire life seems to consist of hopping from burger joint to taco truck, gorging himself on meals of all kinds. This manifests itself in his criticism - his preferences are exclusively high fat, high sugar and high salt, and he seems to indicate scepticism towards the very idea of food at some kind of elaborately conceived, artisitic, transformative experience into which one invests a level of respect and emotional significance. The other critic posts reviews more sparingly, and never of 'cheap eats' joints or burger bars. He doesn't have a street food blog or a Twitter full of selfies with burgers and milkshakes. His best reviews are of high class restaurants. He celebrates the ingenuity and integrity of chefs that develop and nuture flavour combinations, treating food as an art to be appreciated by diners. He emphasises the 'full experience' of a meal at an excellent restaurant, of the skill that goes into constructing a menu of complementary courses. This, of course, is not something you can eat every night - he and critics like him will always emphasise this point - but it is something to be appreciated and savoured for the edifying pleasure it is. To eat with this delicacy of taste is to be a gourmand for life. It is to emphasise the respect one feels for the chef and for the art he produces. You could eat like the first critic - stuff yourself every day on anything you can find, reducing food to the level of base, lower pleasure as much as possible - or you could eat like the second critic, recognising the role food plays in one's life as something that nourishes one and yes, brings pleasure, but also as an edifying force, something to be celebrated and appreciated with delicacy of taste, appreciation of balance and respect.

[Anonymous No.12576748]

>>12576719
I’m not quite sure how this relates to OP’s question. Sounds more like you’re making a porn analogy or something

[Anonymous No.12576755]

>>12575650
>>12575832
>>12576153
>>12576566
this

[Anonymous No.12576799]

>>12576164
Her mother is disabled and needs expensive medications

[Anonymous No.12576880]

>>12576439
I just saw a couple of her videos and holy fuck, she legitimately seems retarded. Wtf man I feel genuinely terrible. Can the porn industry actually get away with this shit, if she actually is retarded? Isn't this abuse or some shit?

[Anonymous No.12576882]

>>12576880
Hmm I wonder, can (((the porn industry))) get away with this?

[Anonymous No.12576897]

>>12576882
>(((the porn industry)))
why the fuck can't they just leave her alone, good god
hearing her attempts at moaning with a dick inside her gives my dick an anti-boner and my heart a sad-boner :'(

[Anonymous No.12576902]

This phenomenon.

[Anonymous No.12576908]

>>12575513
>>12575520
>>12575493
>>12575476
Name of the girl?

[Anonymous No.12576918]

>>12576908
Hannah hays, i think

[Anonymous No.12576937]

Hold me bros, this is too sad

[Anonymous No.12576939]

Sex and Character has ideas similar to it though it never mentions it by name

[Anonymous No.12576964]

>>12576937
oh lord no, she has a GoFundMe for her twin sister's back surgery. I can't handle this :'(
my heart is broken and my faith is decimated. please don't resuscitate me till she's saved

God have mercy on us.

[Anonymous No.12576975]

>>12576119
At least you can watch her get fucked by a 10 inch BBC.

[Anonymous No.12576992]

https://youtu.be/oOnD0PDB9yQ
funnily enough if you make a thread about this video on /pol/ it gets deleted by (((mods)))

[Anonymous No.12577081]

>>12576992
Watching this I certainly felt less "pity" for her as she seems more intelligent and non-retarded than I assumed, but the questions (not necessarily the interviewer himself) really felt disrespectful and almost insulting to a decently intelligent girl. Really hope she makes enough money soon to live well with her family.

[Anonymous No.12577090]

>>12575476
>>12575493
>>12575513
>>12575520
What kind of sick emotional porn is this? Disgusting.

[Anonymous No.12577113]

>>12576992
>she's literally crying on stream thinking about her accident at 16
welp time to kill myself, i really can't take anymore of this

[Anonymous No.12577154]

Christ-Cain Complex
Literature that examines this phenomena [spoiler:lit]and how to overcome it?

[Anonymous No.12577195]

>>12576156

I would say that the inability to view different people as individual people from the get go/inability to tangibly form a proper perception of a person is unhealthy as with most black and white thinking

Pretty blatant sign of underlying psychological issues

[Anonymous No.12577224]

>>12577081
I think the questions were submitted to the interviewer by /pol/fags.
Her situation is pityful not because she is "retarded" as many ppl say, but because she got involved in porn straight put of necessity.
>>12577113
Yeah it gets me all the times too, anon. For other anons it's around 23:50

[Anonymous No.12577230]

>>12577090
It's called "reality in the contemporary world".

[Anonymous No.12577236]

>>12576119
/pol/ is not exactly famous for their compassion to pornstars. And even they felt bad for her.

[Anonymous No.12577251]

>>12577195
Recognizing that some women are sluts and some women are not sluts is not unhealthy. It is reality.
And knowing that reality is good for yourself.

[Anonymous No.12577252]

>>12576992
>laying bare her entire life story: her single mom, the love of her parents, her step dad, her absent biological dad, her accident, her back and knee pain, her PTSD and anxiety, medication issues, insurance problems, porn industry experiences, and support lizard, literally all the pain points of her existence
>and she stills approaches it with dignity and calm
she deserves better than this shit world

[Anonymous No.12577285]

>>12576697
You’re right to say it’s a pathology but it’s one which is sustained by centuries of cultural pressure and expectation on women to fall into one or the other category, even though man desires a contradictory amalgamation of both (Ie a virgin who is a slut but only for me). Because such an identity is impossible, it has to be prescriptive because it isn’t describing anything that exists in the real world. A pathology can still be put to work in a performative way, even if it isn’t immediately apparent that that’s what it’s doing.

[Anonymous No.12577337]

>>12577230
Do people jack off to "reality in the contemporary world"?

[Anonymous No.12577338]

https://youtu.be/oGbxN01gPwg
Thank God, she seems to have the self-respect and dignity to stand up for herself. She's certainly not stupid but the constant barrage of "r u retarded" must be hurtful. I wish her nothing but the best, lads.

[Anonymous No.12577340]

fag

[Anonymous No.12577341]

i´m glad i´m not the only fucked up person in this pathetic world

[Anonymous No.12577356]

>>12574920
This ruined my day and possibly the ones to come.

Where are you my Lord ?

[Anonymous No.12577372]

>>12577252
Of she was born in a country with public free healthcare probably she could have gotten by with a simple minimum wage job.
USA is a capitalistic shithole with such a brainwashed population that fiercely defends lobbies' interests before their owns because FREEDOM.

[Anonymous No.12577399]

>>12577251

100% Agree, misunderstood what I was replying to

That lack of knowledge led me to turn myself miserable and mentally unstable

[Anonymous No.12577426]

What's up with this thread? I genuinely don't understand why so many of you are in distress,care to explain.

[Anonymous No.12577462]

Why do people even watch “professional” porn anymore?

We live in an age of readily available doujins and freelance camgirls. Both of these have far more soul and are more arousing than pro porn because the person making it more often or not has a passion for what they’re making. The fact that girls like the one in this thread are suffering because of the big industry is just the icing on that shit cake.

[Anonymous No.12577478]

>>12577372
I remember I read about one diabetic American who had to quit his job and move across the country to care for his sick mother. He tried to set up a go fund me for his diabetes medication while he looked for a new job, came up $10 short and died.

It's just tragic.

[Anonymous No.12577497]

>>12577426

Boys who can't experience emotion without reacting rationally

[Anonymous No.12578158]

>>12577462
Not everyone likes to walk to chinese cartoons, especially not normalfags. As for camwhores, you have to be a cuck to donate to some bitch you've never met and will likely never meet, just to see some cleavage when you can do that for free.
>the person making it more often or not has a passion for what they’re making
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Yeah, I'm sure the doujin artist REALLY cares when he's drawing one-handed and camwhores REALLY care about her "fans"

[Anonymous No.12578346]

>>12576937
>>12576964

>she will never make you believe you have a soul

[Anonymous No.12578355]

>>12577154
seconding this

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[Anonymous No.12579168]

>>12577154
botns

[Anonymous No.12579319]

I still haven't gotten any literature recommendations to cure my mother-whore dichotomy

[Anonymous No.12579336]

>>12579319
there's no reason to cure it. Go read Infinite Meme or something

[Anonymous No.12579428]

>>12579319
This is a Hannah Hays sympathy thread now. Gtfo faggot.

[Anonymous No.12579585]

>>12576155
Gen 5 games were the best in the franchise