/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.12562282]

>reality
Guys what the fuck, I escaped hyper reality and I’m going insane. This shit is eerie. What do I read, I’ve read all the starting memes.

[Anonymous No.12562336]

>>12562282
If girls with the same clothing and hairstyle destroy your worldview, you got bigger fish to fry, my friend

[Anonymous No.12562364]

>>12562336
What? Literature did, that’s just some pic from /mu/

[Anonymous No.12562719]

>>12562364
Then be more clear in your statement. Give us something to go on. What is hyper reality? How did you escape, what is eerie? What are you trying to accomplish by reading?

[Anonymous No.12562734]

What did you read dude? The /lit/ starter core?

[Anonymous No.12562737]

>>12562734
He read teh Republic, and now his mind is blown. Typical public education

[Anonymous No.12562762]

>>12562282
>I escaped hyper reality

[Anonymous No.12563094]

good album

[Anonymous No.12563499]

>>12562282

[Anonymous No.12563554]

>>12562282
>bruh im woke wtf

[Anonymous No.12563585]

I feel you OP. Unfortunately you were misled into leaving hyperreality for reality, and there's no going back, at least in this life. Hope the next you will be more wise.

[Anonymous No.12563592]

>>12563585
What be "hyper-reality"?

[Anonymous No.12563609]

>>12563592
The matrix basically, but you cant really leave it, only be aware of it because you cant wake up if you are the dream

[Anonymous No.12563622]

>>12563609
What is the matrix in this case? I'm aware of the movie, but can you be more specific - because otherwise OP just sounds like a 14 year old

[Anonymous No.12564469]

>>12562719
>What is hyper reality
wikipedia is right over there m8

[Anonymous No.12564483]

>>12563622

Le demiurge fucked us over

[Anonymous No.12564492]

>>12564483
I hope you're not literally an agnostic.

[Anonymous No.12564501]

>>12562282
Try to explain more what it is you're feeling. I may know how you feel, and if I do, I know how difficult it can be to explain. Mostly people will meme you to death and say you're being a pseud but I know how terrifying it can feel when your perspective on reality is seriously shifted.

Whether you're experiencing what I did or not I can't say. The best advice I received was: when you were born you were thrust into a terrifying world, you came into it screaming, then you got used to it. You will get used to this too.

[Anonymous No.12564565]

>>12562762
>>12562282

>I escaped hyper reality

[Anonymous No.12564654]

>>12562282
Please just tell what happened.

[Anonymous No.12564759]

>>12564492

[Anonymous No.12564776]

>>12564759
Please get help anon, it'll induce schizophrenia and like disorders.

[Anonymous No.12564947]

>>12564501
Everything became a symbol, just mass with a value placed inside it and given a symbol by a consciousness. Social hierarchy, capital, fame, lust, everything I previously wanted and worked towards isn’t even real anymore. So few are true to themselves anymore, except for children in the way that they aren’t part of the system, only this world. Everything is done to work towards the non reality of things they crave and their non true self built around it. It’s not just that I was thrust into this world but that I was also thrust into a certain system, history and values and was taught what to want. And that’s not even getting into technology and the spectacle. Construct reality can be manipulated like a dream, we just can’t because we are part of the construct. It’s not that people accept it, it’s that they aren’t even aware of it and I honestly don’t know if I’ve actually lost my mind because people are now starting to feel like they’ve been corrupted into a symbol, they’re still in there but there’s only a symbol. I went to a therapist at Uni and he was only a symbol, he saw me as one too. Like a system is a Being we can’t see that uses disposable flesh to be in Being as it exists even when individuals die but we don’t even know what that is since nothing could be a human construct. I don’t have any idea of what any of this is.

[Anonymous No.12564968]

>>12564947
Sounds like Your naked/true reality is becoming the only one. That is good, imo. Hard, but good. Grow love for Yourself and "the true ones" and You call them.

[Anonymous No.12564970]

>>12564968
as*

[Anonymous No.12564971]

>>12564947
>I don't have any idea of what any of this is.
Me neither. Kinda hard to tell what you are trying to say. It sounds like you are tangling with solipsism for the first time. So, my question to you, what's wrong with seeing others as symbols? What's wrong with being seen by others as a symbol? Also, I don't understand what you are referencing when you say "the non reality of things they crave." What, exactly, is non real?

[Anonymous No.12565046]

>>12564947
What are the physical sensations that come along with this? Any? I used to feel trapped, like trapped inside experience and would get claustrophobic.

The answer to your problem by the way, the way to stop feeling it, is to embrace CBT on a daily basis, it will go away. Or philosophize if you think you need answers.

[Anonymous No.12565101]

>>12562719
https://youtu.be/2U9WMftV40c

>>12564947
You sound like the overanalyzing love child of Shinji and Asuka.

[Anonymous No.12565104]

>>12564971
It’s not really solipsism, I believe others are real and I’ve felt duality and totality. It’s that people who once were and can be have been corrupted into a reacting symbol of the system. The non reality of the things they crave is the abstract capital and false feeling of a fulfilling system identity.
>>12565046
I feel like reality can be taken ahold of, like it surrounds me and everyone else. I’m also beginning to dream differently, I’m not scared during nightmares, and I have a girl that comes and leads me when I get lost. My dreams also consist of humanity being made into symbols like I watched a football game but all the players where in the shape of boxes. Because the symbol was a player. Not human.

[Anonymous No.12565114]

>>12565104
Read some Western works. The Tao and the Dhammapada to start

[Anonymous No.12565127]

>>12564971
>the non reality of things they crave.
When people take what's real, conceive the purified hyper-real and then everybody starts to act like the hyper-real is what's actually present.
Like when Elliot Rodgers is obsessed with pretty girls, paints a picture of "the spoiled beautifil cold-hearted blond girl" and then after puberty, he sees every pretty girl as "a spoiled beautifil cold-hearted blond girl".
Many or most things are perceived and dealt and interacted with in a painted, hyper-real form. The reduced and stylized becomes, essentially for everyone, the thing. And people generally are not aware of this coating.

[Anonymous No.12565140]

>>12565127
Yes, this is a more articulate way to explain it than I did.

[Anonymous No.12565157]

>>12565127
Mate you are going schizo, you better accept your anima soon unless you want to be a full blown nut case

[Anonymous No.12565189]

>>12565157
Explain how any of it is schizophrenic

[Anonymous No.12565201]

>>12565189
Dunno, i just like to plant the seed of doubt in peoples head

[Anonymous No.12565255]

>>12565157
The topic relates, e.g. exemplified that Deluze work on identity has Schizophrenia in the title.
While Neon Genesis Evangelion wants dances around the idea that everyone is the sum of others and they themselves see - and that you therefore should be able to create yourself (and the world?) in the image you wish...Deluze pertains that the process is completely unconscious and we use commodities to paint many different identities for ourselfes. Everybody is shizophrenic in capitalism.
At least I hope that's the case - just look at some of those twitter personalities.

[Anonymous No.12565279]

>>12564947
I’d recommend listening to some Ram Dass

[Anonymous No.12565283]

>>12565127

Isn't this just Baudrillard's simulacra?

[Anonymous No.12565291]

>>12565255
Yeah i understand all that but schizos are those special people with great powers of self influence, they become aware of the process and instead of healing they double down on the fragmentation. I begin the process once, i became convinced i was going crazy, hearing voices, losing control, that was the key element i think, i was deathly afraid to lose control so i gripped what i thought was my anchor to reality when in truth i was holding onto literal madness. I remember the exact moment i realized i needed to let go, the change was instantaneus, my muscles relaxed, the intrusive thoughts stopped.

[Anonymous No.12565340]

What's wrong with embracing hyperreality?

[Anonymous No.12565380]

>>12565340
>just embrace an abstract Being of mass extermination trying to trap you inside a floating liquid-painting bro

[Anonymous No.12565491]

>>12564947
> If anyone becomes a son of the bridal chamber, he will receive the light. If anyone does not receive it while he is here, he will not be able to receive it in the other place. He who will receive that light will not be seen, nor can he be detained. And none shall be able to torment a person like this, even while he dwells in the world. And again when he leaves the world, he has already received the truth in the images. The world has become the Aeon (eternal realm), for the Aeon is fullness for him. This is the way it is: it is revealed to him alone, not hidden in the darkness and the night, but hidden in a perfect day and a holy light.

Yes.

[Anonymous No.12565663]

>>12563622

They're talking about the idea of all of humanity's social understanding of reality (what we as people experience as our lives) is actually a infinitely complex computer simulation being ran by extraterrestrial life far more advanced than our own.

Meaning, we're not in "base" reality, an actual, real existence, and instead could be one of any number of versions or iterations of what would essentially be a computer program. We can't change or end it, at least not that we know of, and instead we can only come to understand and define it.

[Anonymous No.12565756]

>>12562282

[Anonymous No.12565770]

>>12564947

You sound like you're developing a mental illness, as long as you're not just trolling.

I understand what you're saying, in that you're finding deeper meaning behind socially constructed concepts like wealth, politics, morals and mores, time, space, and even us as people. You're recognizing what's underneath the surface facade. You're also starting to recognize large, symbiotic systems.

The idea that we're all in a reality that isn't truly our own is incredibly interesting, and I personally even find it convincing. That idea is just a larger, higher system, spiraling outward and expanding forever. But because we can't sufficiently describe or define it, it's completely different for everyone. That in and of itself makes us unique within the system. No matter what anyone claims, you as an individual are specifically unique to your experience and can control how you experience it to a degree. The system itself is what it is, and you are what you are.

Systems are also what allow us as people to accomplish higher pursuits and create, however they also as a byproduct can enslave and destroy. Removing yourself from systems that are harmful to you can be difficult, especially when society or even reality, demands that you participate to survive or exist. You shouldn't strive to remove yourself from systems that aren't threatening your health or life, and instead thrive to grow and learn within them until you can no longer achieve those goals.

If you're actually seeing symbols, visually within your eyesight however, that isn't good. Those would be hallucinations and can be related to mental or physical illness. As long as you're associating what you're seeing with symbols in your mind, you can work with that. But visually seeing things is something you need to get checked out for.

Safe travels Cosmonaut, and remember to pack a towel.

[Anonymous No.12565774]

>>12562282
Find out what those who manufacture the hyperreal read.

[Anonymous No.12565784]

>>12563622
>I'm aware of the movie
Movies. It's a trilogy. Whoever denounces the sequels will die in his sleep tonight.

[Anonymous No.12565836]

Have you ever read the short story Signs and Symbols by Nabokov, OP? The mc has a similar adventure in perception to you.

[Anonymous No.12565871]

>>12562282
Do you take psychedelic drugs?

[Anonymous No.12565891]

>>12565784
/lit/ bro, thank you.

It's so hard to find people who actually enjoy the entire trilogy without them also trying to be ironic. I personally believe it has something to do with when and at what age people saw the films. I'm 30, so I was a little too young to see the first, but the second and third were huge events for me. I think it was also super important to see them in the theater, otherwise it's a completely different experience.

I vividly remember being at the end of the second, already excited to see the third. I also personally like the overall ending and picked up on most of the themes and devices right away. I don't blame them in any way for expanding the scope of the trilogy to attract a larger audience, especially because of the budgets. I place the first in a slightly higher category, because of how absolutely unique it is.

[Anonymous No.12565906]

>>12565891
https://youtu.be/ZvyCyyFRpfE

This makes a good point pitching it off Kantian ethics.

[Anonymous No.12565933]

>>12565906

Thanks brother, I'll give it a go. Throw some more my way if there're divers.

[Anonymous No.12566511]

>>12565836
I haven’t, added to my reading list, thanks.

[Anonymous No.12566514]

Lenguage is the only hyper reality and there’s no escape from it

[Anonymous No.12566623]

>>12562282
me too lol this shit sucks... can't do anything anymore, can't laugh at pics on the net, can't engage in any form of societal conventions, can't express myself thru irony or anything other than a most naive sincerity. Society just looking like one vast facade rn, one big unnatural disaster where the young are shacked with the lies of the old. The world of adults is deeply dysfunctional, but people accept these dysfunctions as if it's normal. I feel that other people, by accepting the conventions of this humanly (or inhumanly) dysfunctional society, have become conditioned by it, into a state of lameness, whereby everyone becomes pasty, stressed, and somehow combat-unready - derelict in their biological imperative. Everyone suffers some form of arrested development - sexual, interpersonal, psychological - and all because society prevented the acquisition of some valuable developmental resource - sex, sociality, general mental/physical well-being - which they rarely even find out they've missed because they're too busy believing all the other lies.
Can't even ridicule you rn - can't engage in any 4chan type dialectic >>12562737 4chan is dead to me, online is dead to me, society is dead to me... this isn't some nihilistic statement either, I didn't do this shit on purpose it just happened this way... I don't even believe what I'm saying. In fact I'm a Catholic. I believe in god, I believe life has value etc etc. But at the same time everything's dead to me, and society is just one big infernal meat grinder where peoples desires and needs are shifted away from them and spat upon in the most vile redoubling of a social standard or rule. There are teens who live with abusive parents, who have to escape them for a while in order to fuck. There are teens who live with abusive parents, who never escape, and who never fuck. There are boys who got their dicks cut off prior to puberty, but their balls left on, so that they would get horny but not be able to find release. There are girls who get their vaginas sewn shut and their clitoris cut off, so that they experience similar things. I think of all of this and it just fuckin weighs on me like some bad fuckin dream. So tired of thinking about it, fuck this...

[Anonymous No.12567263]

>>12562282
>not embracing the hyperreal

[Anonymous No.12567308]

>>12565770
This is the most reddit post I have ever read.

[Anonymous No.12567798]

>>12567308
this is the shittiest post I have read

[Anonymous No.12568306]

Read Jed McKenna. The book descriptions don't do him justice and make him sound like pop spirituality, he deals a lot with the "dreamstate"

[Anonymous No.12569505]

bump

[Anonymous No.12569560]

>>12564947
Hey man I think i know what you're feeling. A while ago when I started experimenting with similar ideas i became extremely disociative and paranoid about my place in reality. I very clearly thought that it was all a joke meant to watch me suffer for its own amusement. The people around me increasingly became only their banalities (watching TV, caring about useless things, having no control of themselves). But I slowly started to get my grip on reality. What you're experiencing is truly just loneliness. The world is a mess of interpretation and power and you are definelty on the low end of the power arc here, but there is some power you have. This knowledge and awareness is power in itself, but its power OVER you. My best advice is to stop resisting your place in reality, we're all along for this ride.
What's gives me ease is to know that even though most people are simpletons there are those out there who I can intellectually engage with and enjoy, and even with this I can enjoy the company of the normies as well. I'm sure people will meme me for sounding like a pretentious elitist but this is really just the truth, i am a different person from them. I meditate and read/study as much as i can manage on top of school, even these few things place me in a different category.
Anyways, I know you are anxious and scared OP but if it's any consolation you are not suffering alone. There are people out there who truly know what you are going through right now.

[Anonymous No.12569914]

>>12562282
where's slenderman