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>Hyperventilating Marxist: "B-but you read it wrong, Anon! Orwell was a socialist!"

>> No.12546174

Who cares? It's lame work. Although Orwell certainly wasn't any fan of capitalism/liberalism

>> No.12546183

>>12545582
I agree, niggers and spics should be castrated at birth.

>> No.12546553

>>12545582
They should also read Homage to Catalonia. Orwell explicitly mentions a certain reluctance, but ultimate duty, with which he reports the infighting amongst the communists/socialists/anarchists that caused more fear and chaos in Barcelona than the fascists ever did. Sure, he was a socialist, but he was more than capable of calling it as it was.

>> No.12547938

> i base my political ideology on a fictional book about animals and shit

THE ABSOLUTE STATE OF THE RETARDED RIGHT

>> No.12548003

I don't think Orwell makes it evident what his personal political stance is in either Animal Farm or 1984. He makes it quite obvious what he is opposed to, but not what he is in support of.

I haven't read much of his work, can anyone tell me which works of his make his political stance clear?

>> No.12548014

>>12545582
Orwell is a low hanging fruit.

>> No.12548016

>>12545582
>Stalin was bad
wow how could a socialist ever take such a radical stance

>> No.12548017

>>12545582
There is a middle ground in the world that we ought to tread on more often.

>> No.12548024

reminder that Old Major (Lenin) is actually portrayed as a genuine revolution with the people's best interests at heart

>> No.12548026

>>12545582
Nice strawman, retard.

>> No.12548033

>>12548024
*revolutionary

>> No.12548042

While Animal Farm is clearly a satire of the Russian Revolution and communism, I don't see where Orwell shares his personal views on other system...

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>>12547938
>He thinks philosophy in narrative form is invalidated

>> No.12548229

>>12547938
>doesn't understand allegory or symbolism

What a fucking brainlet simp

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>>12545582
orwell was a stupid fucking trotskyite and i hope he’s burning in hell

>> No.12548625

>>12545582
If you want a political metaphors, I reccomend Marie Kondo's The Life-Changing Magic of Tidying Up.

>> No.12548634

>>12548625
marlon brando was a cunt

>> No.12548639

>>12547938
>i base my entire worldview and system of ethics about a wizard school where slavery was never questioned and all the bankers are jewish goblin stereotypes

>> No.12550297

>The animals represent the workers.
>Humans represent capitalists
>Pigs become indistinguishable from man
>Literal capitalist pigs

He was calling the USSR out for creating state capitalism.

>> No.12550340

>>12550297
It was just satire.

Humanizing animal behaviour, it's ,ore raw and basic than what it looks, it's a saturday morning cartoon view of society.

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>> No.12550492

>>12550340
>confusing allegory for satire

Please tell me you're not this ignorant.

>> No.12550687

>>12545582
actually, orwell was only a socialist by default, in the sense that he saw socialism as the lesser of two evils, but not by much. he was really a luddite and an anti-industrialist (anti-mechanist, as they might say in his day) but he admitted that he was hopeless that any thing could be done about increasing industrialization and mechanization. so he was a pretty pessimistic guy when it came to the future of humanity.

>> No.12550708

Orwell's book on Fascism was far closet to reality.

>> No.12550730

>>12550297
He was actually saying that revolutions will probably be corrupted, and the good nature of the good revolutionaries will be exploited by the most evil among them. Thus the animals trade one bad circumstance for another bad circumstance.

>> No.12550737

>>12550730
this. This is exactly why Kaczynski's book "Anti-tech Revolution" is so interesting, specifically chapter 3: "How to Transform a Society" whereby he analyses the dynamics of revolutions and shows that there are only certain kinds of revolution that can avoid this inevitable corruption.