/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.12520557]

>Creative writing teacher doesn't allow "genre" writing
>Gives lower grades if there is anything "unreal" in your assignments
>Complains about everyone's writing being "uneventful" and "boring to read"

Are Creative Writing classes a spook?

[Anonymous No.12520566]

>>12520557
I'm torn between my desire to insult you or your teacher

[Anonymous No.12520567]

Your prof don't wanna read ur anime fan fiction op

[Anonymous No.12520574]

>>12520557
Read the Sun Also Rises. It will do a good job of showing you how a lot can happen without much happening.

[Anonymous No.12520577]

>>12520557
>creative writing teacher forces students to write activist fiction
how often does she (i know it is a she) talk about trump?

[Anonymous No.12520583]

>>12520567

Anime is for children.

I write manwha fan fiction

[Anonymous No.12520586]

>>12520557
No, but they vary greatly in quality depending on the commissar running them.

[Anonymous No.12520590]

>>12520566
To satisfy my own masochism, what insults would you like to fling at me?

[Anonymous No.12521545]

>>12520557
exciting things happen in the real world, anon. war comes to mind

[Anonymous No.12521551]

>>12521545

I tried this, I tried to write a story of a soldier in a trench during WWI and she denied this as "genre" writing

[Anonymous No.12521554]

What a cunt.

[Anonymous No.12521564]

>>12520557
In photography class, a student turned a set a pictures of their life over to the teacher and he replied "what makes you think I care about you and your friends?" An important thing in writing is knowing how to differentiate telling a story and just describing shit, in the same way you need to differentiate photographing things and just taking pictures of your friends.

[Anonymous No.12521577]

>>12521564
i'd argue that every story that's ever been told is just describing shit, even when it doesn't seem like it is.

[Anonymous No.12521596]

>>12521551
What is not genre? fucking diary entries are also genre.
>>12520557
seems like one of those places that is more focused on having you attend for a long time then on your improvement.

[Anonymous No.12521602]

>>12521564
>In photography class, a student turned a set a pictures of their life over to the teacher and he replied "what makes you think I care about you and your friends?"
its a photo, should not teach judge by how well its shot and not by the subject?

[Anonymous No.12521798]

>>12520557
He is right and you're a wannabe. If you need genre as guidance for your writing then you are not a writer yet. Try to make a story using an everyday setting like a bus stop. Then add something odd a tourist at a bus stop in fucking nowhere. Then try to add characters. A middle aged, unemployed women that wants some exotic D. Add plot. Tourists goal is to find birthplace of famous composer y in town x. Female wants drinks and penis. He asks her for help, she takes him to next inn and skips her scheduled date at employment office. Her ex arrives. An unemployed alcoholic who voted for leave and hates niggers online...

[Anonymous No.12521813]

>>12521798

You literally just made genre prompt

[Anonymous No.12521820]

>>12521602
That requires me to care about your photo first. What makes you think I care about you and your friends?

[Anonymous No.12521868]

>>12521820
well for starters hes being paid to care

[Anonymous No.12521876]

>>12521868
I'm not being paid to care about you and your friends. Take photos of things I care about first.

[Anonymous No.12521882]

take a giant shit on his desk and claim that it is not a genre text but a kind of literary event that requires an emotional interpretation. call it something real smug as well, like "the contingent non-essentialist output of the capitalist food structure through a body-without-organs".

[Anonymous No.12521888]

>>12521876
Are you daft? Of course you are being paid for that. I could take a pic of my wart ridden dick shoved down your mom's throat and you should still comment on it

[Anonymous No.12521891]

>>12521888

Naw. I'll just kick you from the class and keep your money :P

[Anonymous No.12521898]

>>12521891
I'll then organize a mob of angry hipsters and art hoes about how you stifle my creative imagery and you'll be out of your job :-)

[Anonymous No.12521905]

>>12521813
Read the op and his posts

[Anonymous No.12522560]

>>12521564
>In photography class, a student turned a set a pictures of their life over to the teacher and he replied "what makes you think I care about you and your friends?"
If the photos are good, he'd care.
Retarded analogy.

>>12521820
Have you ever been to a photo exhibition? They rarely show anything interesting. Streets, random people, places that you can visit yourself, shit you can see every day a million times.

[Anonymous No.12522566]

>>12520557
They're good for making contacts and getting feedback from classmates. You're also bound to learn tips and tricks here and there. It's about what you put in mostly.

t. asexual individual

[Anonymous No.12522596]

>>12521602
An interesting subject is very important in photography. Technical ability only gets you so far

[Anonymous No.12522615]

>>12520557

> not using your frustrations as writing outlet
> not crafting a devastating mockery of your instructor and using that as the basis for your submissions to the same instructor
> not bombastically challenging and shouting down your instructor each time he lobbies any sort of insult or disrespectful remark.

Post your most recent submission here.

[Anonymous No.12522638]

>>12520590
ur op so ur gay

[Anonymous No.12522701]

>>12521798
This is horrible advice. You’re literally taking the worst aspect of genre fiction (boring, predictable cliches) and the worst aspect of postmodern literature (stagnant, uninteresting plots) and advising this guy that if he intentionally writes nothing happening in a cliche setting with characters who have “whacky” postmodern quirks, by some fucking magic the story will become interesting or mean something.

[Anonymous No.12522783]

>>12522701
You are rationalizing writing to much while op is wasting his and his teacher's time writing fan fiction instead of experimenting with ideas, characters, events, plots, words, style, presentations etc. Writing is a craft and not an intellectual endeavor.

[Anonymous No.12522839]

>>12520557
Have you tried asking your professor why he doesn't like genre literature, what he doesn't like about genre literature, and what you could write that would not qualify as genre? Conversely, have you thought of getting another professor?

[Anonymous No.12522853]

>writing classes
ngmi

[Anonymous No.12522954]

>>12522783
>writing is a craft no an intellectual endeavor
absolutely cringe and bluepilled

[Anonymous No.12522972]

>>12522954
>t. STEMlet

[Anonymous No.12522984]

>>12522596
I disagree. I would argue that one of the strengths of photography as a medium is that it allows you to make ordinary objects look interesting (if you know what you're doing).

[Anonymous No.12523019]

>>12522972
enjoy your worthless English degree while I build rocketships for elon musk pussy bitch

[Anonymous No.12523022]

>>12523019
>Enjoy studying something you enjoy while I toil away the best years of my life for another man.
I'm not sure you're conveying what you mean to convey, my brother.

[Anonymous No.12523109]

>>12523019
You couldn't follow what I was saying brainlet. You were not cut for STEM and this is why you think writing is something special.

[Anonymous No.12523139]

>>12523109
Except that's not what you wrote. Maybe if you saw writing as an intellectual pursuit and used your brain you wouldn't have fucked up so badly.

[Anonymous No.12523166]

>>12523139
Are you serious?

[Anonymous No.12523202]

>>12520557
>filename
Books for learning how to get a ride aggressive gf like this?

[Anonymous No.12523231]

>>12523202
**rude

[Anonymous No.12523279]

>>12520557
There is an entire world happening that you can write stories about. It’s not that hard. My creative writing professor had the same rules and I not most of my classmates ever had problems with writing in that context.

[Anonymous No.12523505]

>>12521820
because its your job, you are a teacher and not a consumer.
>>12522596
maybe if you are shilling art, not if you are a wedding photographer. before you get 2deep, you should master the technical

[Anonymous No.12523517]

>>12522615
good. Who would want to be
>so salty you waste your time on all that
>so uncreative that you have to copy existing people and so spiteful that you pump them with your hate.

[Anonymous No.12523605]

>>12520557
>>Creative writing teacher doesn't allow "genre" writing
>>Gives lower grades if there is anything "unreal" in your assignments
Is this her?

[Anonymous No.12524080]

Having graduated in English I can tell you that genre writers are worthless scum that contribute nothing. But there's a bunch of shit that really annoys me outside of it. I'm gonna be a TA in a creative writing class next semester at UMass and if I had it my way I would:

-banish anyone who says their fav book is Harry Potter
-banish any kind of YA bullshit
-actively mock anyone writing fantasy until they assume the fetal position in a pool of snot and tears
-actually set their manuscripts on fire if there are vampires, werewolves, goblins or zombies, or "magic" in it
-throw a chair at them if their story is set in NYC
-lay a turd in their draft if it features a manic pixie girl or a perfect flawless character
-call ICE on em if their story is about "the Chicano struggle"
-piss on their laptop if their story is shitty ultrafuturistic sci-fi

[Anonymous No.12524481]

>>12520557
>>12521798
Giving the protagonist a straightforward motivation and a simple goal is a good place to start; the story's conflict will come from them working to overcome any obstacles in the way. Just make sure the goal is important enough to them and the challenges are not trivial and you should be fine. This is basic formulaic storytelling, but unless some other anon has some top tier advice on how to write like Joyce or whatever you might as well try it. Can't guarantee it will be interesting, however.

[Anonymous No.12524503]

>>12520557
you literally should have wrote a historical fiction then.
It already has an established world building, you know the gist of what is to come, and you have more than enough info to make a believable setting and characters. Plus, while you might write another dune most people will write another hunger games.

[Anonymous No.12524515]

>>12523517

OP has attend the class and write for the course anyway so how is it a waste of time?

Are you insinuating that spite and hate can't serve as the foundation for writing a particular piece or be someone's primary motivation for writing? OP is sufficiently worked up over it to start this thread, so why not write a story as the basis.

And since when is drawing material from our day-to-day lives a problem? OP's first draft may very read like a transcript of a typical day in his class with a bit of vitriol thrown in, but I'm sure OP wouldn't just submit a first draft as a final piece.

>>12522783 is a brainlet for saying writing is "not an intellectual endeavor" but he is correct that there is an element of craft to it. You may lambaste someone for studying the character and mannerisms of the creative writing instructor, but it is a valuable practice for writing.

[Anonymous No.12524525]

>>12524080
>throw a chair at them if their story is set in NYC
Lets see you throw a chair when break your fucking ankles.
NYC is an AMAZING setting, you literally have a treasure trove of history to work with and the attitude of a "dog eat dog" world. whether it's streets of detriot or the buildings on wall street, there is always some conflict that you can make a story out of.

[Anonymous No.12524530]

>>12520557
Sounds like yours is but not all are. My current fiction writing prof encourages us to experiment and write whatever we want. Our biggest grade is a portfolio of what we've been working on throughout the quarter, and he offers us feedback every class so there's no excuse not to write something at least passable

[Anonymous No.12524534]

>>12524525
>detriot
FUCK i meant bronx, i'm very tired

[Anonymous No.12524538]

>>12520567
>look who decided to come out of his cave!

[Anonymous No.12524558]

>>12520557
It sounds like you're in an intro course. This is just to teach you the fundamentals and rules before you can play with them in genre or experimental fiction. It's like an introductory drawing class where you have to draw some bowls of fruit and empty hallways before you get into the fun stuff. Your classmate's writing is boring because they are too afraid to experiment with vocabulary and description, which can make anything interesting. The complaint you should have against your professor is that he is not making this clear.

[Anonymous No.12524563]

>>12524525
Why not any other fucking city that hasn't been done to death? That's my issue with NY. Writers seem fucking obsessed by it even though their conflicts could be established in literally any other fucking urban setting. You just have to fucking write it. Fuck New York.

[Anonymous No.12524614]

>>12524080

[Anonymous No.12524728]

give me her email and ill shit talk her for you

[Anonymous No.12524828]

>>12524080
>-banish anyone who says their fav book is Harry Potter
>-banish any kind of YA bullshit

Having also graduated with an English degree I can safely say that you’d only have like two students in your class.
I minored in writing and in most classes I was the only one not perpetually turning in the first and only chapter of a fantasy/sci-fi/steampunk/horror novel that never had a chance to be completed.

I would probably enjoy your class.

[Anonymous No.12525126]

>>12524828
Id love to have a small class like that. In my senior year I had my best writing class. We were maybe 15 students and I'd say about 5 or 6 of us consistently turned in quality stuff, while the rest was fairly decent and the remaining ones were, at worse, just okay. No YA or fantasy in sight. Blissful.

[Anonymous No.12525157]

>>12524828
>>12525126
I did attend one writing institute though where someone actually turned pic related in as their project. I wanted to vomit.

[Anonymous No.12525167]

>>12520557

I think you're missing the point of what your teacher is trying to teach you

[Anonymous No.12525207]

>>12525157
Is this from a graduate level class? How old was the author?

[Anonymous No.12525274]

>>12525157
Give me the name

[Anonymous No.12525302]

>>12525207
Not graduate exactly but definitely not fucking freshmen. Most people there were either recent grads or seniors

[Anonymous No.12525308]

>>12525274
They deserve to be forgotten

[Anonymous No.12525311]

>>12524515
Writing isn't necessarily an intellectual endeavor especially if you are a beginner. You can get decent results only by focusing on the craft part. It won't turn into a master piece though.

[Anonymous No.12525321]

>>12525207
Author was like 20 I think

[Anonymous No.12525357]

>>12525321
Damn, I've read better fetish smut on DeviantArt.

>Context!
I bet they think this will be the next big thing.

[Anonymous No.12525405]

>>12525357
I think they just didn't do their fucking work. It was awful. Later on their protag went thru some ham fisted class struggle where they broke into a rich neighborhood and then were chased away by robotic, poisonous, overgrown mosquitos that guard the rich people from the poor.

I fucking wish I was joking.

[Anonymous No.12525665]

>>12525405
thats a pretty cool idea

[Anonymous No.12525686]

>>12525405
>Robotic, poisonous overgrown mosquitoes
He should have opened with that, making it a dystopian story about the government using insects for warfare and surveillance. The US fucked around with plague mosquitoes during the cold war so he could shove some war themes in there too. It wouldn't be art but it could be fun.

[Anonymous No.12525715]

>>12520557
If it's an intro to creative writing class, then they're teaching it wrong. Intro classes are supposed to teach you the basics and get you interested in the subject/artform.

Your prof's got a stick up their ass to be this much of a cunt. Only 500-level, esoteric storytelling courses can have professors this cunty.

[Anonymous No.12525946]

>>12525665
In concept I guess but in practice it was trash.

>>12525686
He should've just not written trash to begin with

I don't think I explained myself correctly. Like these were giant mosquitos. In my head they look absolutely ridiculous. Like imagine a scrap metal sculpture of a mosquito, like that.

[Anonymous No.12525955]

>>12525715
That was more arousing than it should've been

[Anonymous No.12525974]

>>12521596
>seems like one of those places that is more focused on having you attend for a long time then on your improvement.
Just sounds like a shit teacher, really. Does he/she want you to write fiction or a fucking news article? Make a complaint to the college.

[Anonymous No.12525998]

>>12524614
cringe

[Anonymous No.12526001]

dongs

[Anonymous No.12526005]

>>12525998
yikes

[Anonymous No.12526018]

>>12520557
>going to a creative writing class

[Anonymous No.12526449]

>>12526018
/thread
I don't know how this wasn't the first post

[Anonymous No.12526649]

>>12520557
Just write about somebody going through a divorce and/or getting fired. If you can't produce conflict, character, and plot without using magic as a crutch then you're a bad writer.

[Anonymous No.12526898]

>>12526649
Why would I give a fuck about something as boring as divorce or a job firing?

[Anonymous No.12527211]

>>12526649
>>12526898
This. As much as I hate genre I equally dislike conventional, overused plots. Although to be fair, at this point in time literature is a lot more focused in execution that narrative. If your angle is original you can write about whatever the fuck you want.

[Anonymous No.12527266]

>>12525665
Sophomore detected.

[Anonymous No.12527345]

>>12527266
I'm getting good grades, though.

[Anonymous No.12527388]

>>12520567
I miss the days where gaben was shooped into every group photo

[Anonymous No.12527457]

>>12527345
Well, I'm glad to hear that, Anon. Never settle for less than an A and always apply for Honors courses when available.

[Anonymous No.12527475]

>>12520557
Your creative writing teacher actually hates literature. I wrote a piece in college in an upper level course about me walking around town, and my professor fucking loved it.

[Anonymous No.12527502]

>>12523019
>inb4 elon musk calls you an idiot and fires you

[Anonymous No.12527522]

>>12524080
while i agree with you, every single thing on this list is grounds to get you fired from your TA "job." Accept the fact that as a babysitter, you have no authority or meaning

[Anonymous No.12527583]

>>12527522
I said "if I had it my way", meaning I understand that my own petty distates are not reality. Fact is all writers at some point had shitty tastes or just didn't do shit correctly and that's fine cuz it's part of learning. I'd rather some dweeb ass freshman read HP than nothing at all. I do think it's important to relinquish genre guidelines and conventions and cliches when teaching writing, especially introductory courses, so that solid bases and critical thinking can take center stage, but if later on the students wanna indulge in their own little fanfics then sure, knock your little pleb ass out.

Have a coke and a smile and ffs don't make me read it.

[Anonymous No.12527625]

>>12523605
I don't get the joke.

PS: I'm OP and I'm asexual

[Anonymous No.12527721]

>>12520557

>when you have such a poor grasp of human character, so little life experience, imagination, and writing skill, that you can't produce anything that isn't a low-grade imitation of your made-up chinese porn cartoons

[Anonymous No.12527889]

>>12527721

People shopping at the grocery store make boring stories.

[Anonymous No.12528058]

>>12527889
You lack imagination. Lf jynx maze lemonade stand

[Anonymous No.12528062]

>>12528058
boring

[Anonymous No.12528109]

>>12520557
You shouldn't expect to learn anything creative from a course. You can learn skills, be it writing, artistic, musical skills. But creativity cannot be taught, especially by those who deem themselves to be teachers.

[Anonymous No.12528700]

>>12525715
>struggling that much to lousily cut two layers of pancakes
>pretending to be le psycho killer gf
Worthless jezebel.

[Anonymous No.12529148]

So is any type of creative writing involving fantasy / unreal situations automatically cringe? I keep trying to write out short stories but they always end up morphing into descriptive journeys through dreamlike scenarios. I make an effort to ground it back into the characters but is that wasted if I write about trippy shit?

[Anonymous No.12529310]

>>12529148
Not if it's symbolic with actual with elevated significance; That is, you have a system derived from a rich familiarity with philosophers or prophets or whatever, or have developed a personal system of perspectives that is like in complexity to those former. Think more about how Tolkien manifested his hobbies and values rather than what most fantasy authors (of not even the generic kind) have stupid messages like "war bad" "love wins"

Have something to say from yourself, or through yourself from elsewhere

You can get what I'm about if you ever saw a penguin edition with some footnotes to it

[Anonymous No.12529324]

>>12520557
>>Creative writing teacher doesn't allow "genre" writing

[Anonymous No.12529327]

>>12529310

Hey, I appreciate your reply a lot, man. I think you put it all into words there and it made me think a lot. I'll keep thinking about that for days and hopefully I can derive actual strategies to get better

[Anonymous No.12529348]

>>12529327
I can't even tell if this appreciation shit is ironic or not anymore

[Anonymous No.12529350]

So, since creative writing classes are a spook, how does one get better at creative writing?

I want to write novels as a hobby, but I do not have any kind of feedback system so for all I know I'm working on Shit, and I'm making my ability to write even shittier as I go along. Writing short stories does not directly translate into writing entire novels, so how my supposed to get better?

[Anonymous No.12529356]

>>12529348

It's not, man. I too have been browsing 4chan for far too long, but I've come full circle. I've left the cynicism behind and embraced non-meme honesty. It's mainly the reason I'm not scared to write anymore. I let things go.

[Anonymous No.12529373]

>>12529350
unironically you won't make it unless you regularly consume a. (this is the easier, but will give less "exceptional" yields) action media, and analyze it well (this gets easier as you progress with more series.

You start picking up favorite tropes, how you would have sooner written a scene to your tastes, then with these mental notes you pick these revisions from various series and "jumble" them into a skeleton-frame for a story that you write orginaically and appears originally

b. Unironically read the greeks and finish fucking EVERYTHING. The plays, the poems, the treatsies, the chronicles; Read literary theorists, Poe, Pope, the frenchfags names whereof I don't remember, digest fucking everything and after a while ETERNAL RECURRENCE will automatically dissolve everything in its constituent elements/motifs and you have the elementary pieces for working a story as you please (Warning: If you don't have a personality or are, as put by the meme, an "NPC", you won't have the confidence or will to do something you like from intense fear that people who know less shit than you, it was always over.)

If your goal is just writing works for yourself and the reception is secondary, then you're set

>>12529356
To me this website was basically my teenage love that got me through my immature depression years and seeing it get overtaken by actual redditors has literally made me mentally ill, I am now a super-autodidact high IQ violent wigger-gangster-wannabe that is a ticking timebomb until he gets into uni because there is nothing about the internet to keep me in the house all day anymore

I have taken the schizopill

[Anonymous No.12529399]

>>12529373

I can tell you're a bit like me from the way you write. If anything, just know that there is an exit to purposeless anxiety of the type you describe. (It's not even anxiety, I know) There is a way to balance things out, even the high-density intellectual content that you love to research. You can still stay sane and have a normie-like functioning life.

I don't your views on anything, but I'll say it anyway: as much as buddhism is a facebook-meme in the west, it does have some very helpful concepts that you can use. Look into buddhism some boring afternoon.

[Anonymous No.12529417]

>>12528062
You clearly lack the post female pov of having high frequent sensations of an archaic object penetrating your set up non procreative trap for the sole purpose of genociding white supremacy and Trumps final attempts to restore the falling patriarchy

[Anonymous No.12529419]

>>12529399
Buddhism is honestly cringe shit, everything it had worth to say was practiced by the Yoginis/Yogis much before, and Gautama just added atheism and, I might remember incorrectly, vain maxims. I sound too much like a /pol/tard who is too obsessed with a narrow range of today's politics, but he really reminds me of a smug lib transported 2500 years ago. The only way to really verify such an opinion is to read the texts concerning him, and there are Rig Vedas and Upanishads before that (I'm starting this summer).

I am researching mystical traditions, but on a much more inclusive scale - I am finishing reading the greek historians, which will permit me to advance to the a. Greek philosophers (I want to read them integrally) (So I can enter Neoplatonism) and b. Roman chroniclers (To be pursued until Rome falls and then resuming history with Frankish chronicles

I think you're the guy who rated my literature test score and gave me a personality reading from it like I requested, hello again, you're a comfy guy to talk with.

[Anonymous No.12529440]

>>12529373
>Start with the greeks meme reply.txt

[Anonymous No.12529441]

>>12527625
In her interview with the New Yorker she said she discouraged people in her workshop who wrote genre stuff, think the reasoning was again "stuff in real life actually happens (and can happen) so it's more interesting."

[Anonymous No.12529447]

>>12521577
the art in telling a story is knowing how to remix the shit you stole from other authors and the shit you stole from people around you into something that is both beautiful in form and urbane to others.

[Anonymous No.12529448]

>>12529440
t. haven't read the greeks even though they're literally free to fucking read

Pretty sure the Greeks are the civilization that has bequeathed the most documentary wealth from their antiquity than any other contemporaneous or older civ, this sounds to ture I don't even need to check

It started, this meme, for a reason.

[Anonymous No.12529455]

>>12529448
>not starting with the mesopotamians, egyptians and cro-magnon rock art
never gonna make it

[Anonymous No.12529470]

>>12529455
It's good to read those too but the Greeks are easiest to read because Herodotus narrativized history, he was the pioneer of the action flick kino genre; I suppose this is why greeks best preserves history like no other people comes to mind

They're a much quicker read anyways if you don't tarry with the bumfuck pillars and logs some egyptian kang shat out; Depth is good but exhaustivity on the fronts of every civilization is nonviable

>cro-magnon rock art

unironically precious for mythography and the fact you don't realize that even the time someone took a shit in a pompeii latrine is valuable tells me how hopeless you are for not starting with the greeks

[Anonymous No.12529491]

>>12529470
>Greeks are easiest to read
Sounds like you wants to be spoon fed

[Anonymous No.12529508]

>>12529491
>reading the mangled and contorted chronicles of anything after Xenophon or fucking anything about Italy is being spoonfed

what did you read big champ?

[Anonymous No.12529621]

Here's the truth OP.

Do u wanna make money or not?
Pic related.

Do u want to live in poverty spending a decade getting your literary fiction book heralded by your creative teachers and old people as the new joyce and finally gettting 5k dollars after five years of seeking a publisher deal?

Or do u want to make a book that millions of people will enjoy and most important buy.

Drop college, they wont teach you nothing, college is a scam for specially the arts.

Read the cannon, read the great writers if you want to understand how to write shit that academia will enjoy, but also read genre fiction, to learn what is popular and will sell.

Ignore the advice of college teachers who can't write a best seller even after their decade of "CREATIVE WRITING ADVICE"

Just like learning to draw today in college is a scam because not a single teacher can draw, don't learn from those lesbian feminists.

Only learn from sucesfull writers, he, who can't do, will teach, and college is filled with people who can't do but think they can teach.

Download Robert Mckee book on the story, and also creative writing from lajos egri, they will teach you the basics of storytelling, they will show you the fundamentals of writing a good story.

Also look up emotionering the art of emotion, writing emotional games from David freeman if you want more techniques about good writing.

Later you can look up:
https://www.amazon.com/Shakespeares-Language-Sister-Miriam-Joseph/dp/1614274894

This book will teach you the basics of understanding shakespeare, and basics of how to use rethorics.

Look up clasical treatises on figures of speech, rethoric, oratory, public speech, comedy writing, logic, books on how to write speeches and also read books on advertising writing and copywriting for effective writing, and journalism guides on how to write.

Also read books on history, philosophy, economics, political theory and theology and the cannon.

Drop college, nobody there can write a single important shit.

[Anonymous No.12529720]

>>12529621
Thanks for the authors, but a book on video games? Really?

[Anonymous No.12529769]

>>12529621
>Do u want to live in poverty spending a decade getting your literary fiction book heralded by your creative teachers and old people as the new joyce and finally gettting 5k dollars after five years of seeking a publisher deal?
I want this, desu. Fuck money

[Anonymous No.12529785]

>>12525157
oh man

[Anonymous No.12529786]

>>12529769
MONEY BAD
HILLARY GOOD!

[Anonymous No.12529803]

>>12529786
Quit lowering the quality of discourse, monkey.

[Anonymous No.12529809]

>>12529786
>HILLARY GOOD!
lol no

[Anonymous No.12530707]

>>12529720
Story is Story

[Anonymous No.12530767]

>>12529621
Has any author written a series of well-selling, but content-deprived books, only to break out of the "sold out" mold and become an established figure in literature?

[Anonymous No.12530845]

>>12523517

>writers that challenge literary tropes and status quo are bad
>writers that create fashionable, sentamentalist pablum are good

Are you guys memeing with this shit? Or is it real?

[Anonymous No.12530946]

>>12525157
The primary/secondary magic already exists in feist's the riftwar cycle

[Anonymous No.12531087]

>>12520557
>Creative writing teacher doesn't allow "genre" writing
Ok professor, you want me to write about my experiences as a depressed twenty-something white kid or do you just want to hear my joycean wankery

[Anonymous No.12531477]

>>12521876
>>12521888
Please keep your arguments in the classroom and not in internet forums, no one cares about them other than you

[Anonymous No.12531490]

>>12531477
Thanks for drawing attention to something 12 hours old, the thread needed it.

[Anonymous No.12531536]

>>12529621

>Do u want to live in poverty spending a decade getting your literary fiction book heralded by your creative teachers and old people as the new joyce and finally gettting 5k dollars after five years of seeking a publisher deal?

Yes? Anybody who is writing for the deliberate purpose of making money is an idiot. Make your money elsewhere and work on writing something of actual value. If you just want to move product and make money, either get a different career or write trashy romance novels.

>implying anyone should take writing advice from someone who writes "u" instead of "you"

[Anonymous No.12531557]

>>12525357
>I've read better fetish smut on DeviantArt.
OwO, SOURCE?

[Anonymous No.12531582]

>>12525157
Simone didn’t understand all the politics and economics
Yes, and it shows. It’s almost as if the author is describing the ineptitude of their own craft. “I don’t understand why any of this shit is happening so why should my protagonist!”.

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>>12529786
>HILLARY GOOD!
???
Why does caring more about quality, authenticity, and self-expression than earnings make someone a Clinton supporter? If anything, it's evidence that they have the mindset of an artist rather than a consumerist NPC.

[Anonymous No.12531884]

So which creative writing student would be worse /lit/?

>20 something single male
>unironically relates to the "doomer" meme
>tries to shove half baked existentialist philosophy into their writing
>writes about ennui
>namedrops people like Camus or Dostoyevsky or McCarthy just to show off his literary tastes
>writes slow and boring story with nothing happening except the protagonist being whiny and depressed
Or
>20 something year old female
>calls herself a bookworm but only reads YA and fantasy
>writes 100 pages a day but its all shallow YA fantasy
>reads 100 pages a day but its all shallow YA fantasy
>writes a story about school girl with magic powers or something living in a fantasy world about magic powers
>constantly tries to give people tips on their writing even though she only knows how to write YA fantasy
>the most literary book she ever read was The Great Gatsby and thought it was boring
>thinks The Kite Runner is "serious literature"

[Anonymous No.12532053]

>>12531884
dialects tell us the ideal writer must be a synthesis of the two

[Anonymous No.12532276]

>>12531884
The first, by far. At least I can get the second one to suck me off.

[Anonymous No.12532659]

>>12531884
The first is worse because at least the second is fun to laugh at.

[Anonymous No.12532755]

>>12520557
Can anyone here explain to me how dialogue works? How do words attain "tone"? Are we merely at the whims of the way the words are used in reality? And a skilled dialogue writer recognizes the "tone" to each word or phrase or so on that they're using, and manipulates it accordingly for their characters? Another question of mine is whether, when we read dialogue, are we reading the words themselves or are we comparing it to our own experiences of reality? If a character says something, and the reader considers it "good" dialogue or the opposite, are they reading the line itself and evaluating it in a vacuum, or is it always merely a comparison to their own experience of people, and therefore what was once "good dialogue" may become "bad dialogue" if people stop speaking like such. Might today's well-written dialogue, in a future century, no longer capture how people speak? Or when we read dialogue, are we reading the pure soul of the speaker, which we have "a priori" knowledge of and don't rely on experience of others speaking to understand? This issue really bothers me.