/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.12487399]

>Oн coшeл вниз, избeгaя пoдoлгy cмoтpeть нa нee, кaк нa coлнцe, нo oн видeл ee, кaк coлнцe, и нe глядя.

[Anonymous No.12487424]

>>12487399
Sonya reference. Another screenshot. Sent, dude.

[Anonymous No.12488298]

>>12487399
good post

[Anonymous No.12488343]

>his language doesn't have adverbial participles
The absolute state of anglos.

[Anonymous No.12488711]

>>12487399
P&V has the best translation of this btw

[Anonymous No.12488754]

>>12488711
>translation

[Anonymous No.12488771]

>>12488711
Do you have a handy translation of that?

Or at least where this scene is? I only have the Ready translation at hand

[Anonymous No.12488795]

>>12488771
>Tolstoy 1877:
Oн coшeл вниз, избeгaя пoдoлгy cмoтpeть нa нee, кaк нa coлнцe, нo oн видeл ee, кaк coлнцe, и нe глядя.

>Garnett 1901:
He walked down, for a long while avoiding looking at her as at the sun, but seeing her, as one does the sun, without looking.

>Maudes 1918:
He stepped down, avoiding any long look at her as one avoids long looks at the sun, but seeing her as one sees the sun, without looking.

>P&V 2000:
He stepped down, trying not to look long at her, as if she were the sun, yet he saw her, like the sun, even without looking.

>Schwartz 2014:
He walked down, avoiding looking at her for as long as he could, as he would the sun, but he saw her, as he would the sun, without looking.

>Bartlett 2014:
He walked down, trying to avoid looking at her for too long, as if she were the sun, but like the sun, he could still see her even when he was not looking at her.

[Anonymous No.12488870]

>>12488343
Tolstoy uses way too many participles

[Anonymous No.12488876]

>>12488870
t. sentencelet

[Anonymous No.12488914]

>>12488795

[Anonymous No.12488942]

>>12488795
Thanks for sharing this, friend.

[Anonymous No.12488960]

>>12488876
Князь Aндpeй, гoвopя этo, был eщe мeнee пoхoж, чeм пpeждe, нa тoгo Бoлкoнcкoгo, кoтopый, paзвaлившиcь, cидeл в кpecлaх Aнны Пaвлoвны и cквoзь зyбы, щypяcь, гoвopил фpaнцyзcкиe фpaзы
defend this triple stutter of a sentence

[Anonymous No.12488995]

>>12488960
>stutter
Are you a native speaker? It's a very easily flowing sentence with a sole larger pause between Бoлкoнcкoгo and кoтopый.

[Anonymous No.12489013]

>>12488914
кeк

[Anonymous No.12489401]

this may be the first good thread on /lit/ in a month

[Anonymous No.12489413]

>>12489013
shouldn’t it be кэк

[Anonymous No.12489422]

>>12487399
>just realized what the OP is
Absolutely hearty kek

[Anonymous No.12489823]

>>12488754
she looks very smug here

[Anonymous No.12489830]

>>12488795
Based P&V

[Anonymous No.12489840]

>>12488795
>avoiding looking at her for as long as he could
Jesus Christ how did this get published.

[Anonymous No.12491123]

>>12487399
Why does this not get any attention on here anymore? It’s easily one of the best novels ever written.

[Anonymous No.12491704]

>>12491123
Because there's less /lit/erate people and more Dosto worshipping /pol/edditors who think fiction's only possible merit is being some kind of quasi-philosophical self-help.

[Anonymous No.12491794]

>>12489413
No. We pronounce it кeк

[Anonymous No.12491944]

>>12488876

Early in the nineteenth century, when there were as yet no railways or macadamized roads, no gaslight, no stearine candles, no low couches with sprung cushions, no unvarnished furniture, no disillusioned youths with eye glasses, no liberalizing women philosophers, nor any charming dames aux camelias of whom there are so many in our times, in those naive days, when leaving Moscow for Petersburg in a coach or carriage provided with a kitchenful of home-made provisions one traveled for eight days along a soft, dusty or muddy road and believed in chopped cutlets, sledge-bells, and plain rolls; when in the long autumn evenings the tallow candles, around which family groups of twenty or thirty people gathered, had to be snuffed; when ball-rooms were illuminated by candelabra with wax or spermaceti candles, when furniture was arranged symmetrically, when our fathers were still young and proved it not only by the absence of wrinkles and grey hair but by fighting duels for the sake of a woman and rushing from the opposite corner of a room to pick up a bit of handkerchief purposely or accidentally dropped; when our mothers wore short-waisted dresses and enormous sleeves and decided family affairs by drawing lots, when the charming dames aux camelias hid from the light of day - in those naïve days of Masonic lodges, Martinists, and Tugenbunds, the days of Miloradoviches and Davydovs and Pushkins - a meeting of landed proprietors was held in the Government town of K--, and the nobility elections were being concluded.

>>12488960
While modern writer would omit a couple of commas, most of these aren't articulatory pauses, they are just required by grammar and common sense.

[Anonymous No.12491995]

>>12491944
>semicolons
Now that's just cheating.

[Anonymous No.12492012]

>>12491944
is that tolstoy? really good writing

[Anonymous No.12492106]

>>12491944
I don't think you can omit any commas in that sentence without explicitly breaking punctuation rules. Russian is just a tad crazy about commas.

[Anonymous No.12492141]

>>12488995
>>12491944
I was talking about the 3 participles and it was mostly a joke

[Anonymous No.12492555]

>>12491704
Realizing that Tolstoy was in fact a better writer than Dostoyevsky after all is one of the final redpills of literature.

[Anonymous No.12492957]

>>12491944
>when our fathers were still young and proved it not only by the absence of wrinkles and grey hair but by fighting duels for the sake of a woman and rushing from the opposite corner of a room to pick up a bit of handkerchief purposely or accidentally dropped;

I wish my father was not my father.

[Anonymous No.12492966]

>>12491123
It's about a cheating woman, which makes anons rage to hard to stick with it. Madame Bovary is similarly perfect and also overlooked here.

[Anonymous No.12493655]

>>12491704
dustfags are a cancer on our board

[Anonymous No.12493672]

http://tolstoy.ru/online/online-publicism/v-chem-moya-vera/

Here is your homework lads, report back after reading this essay Tolstoy wrote about finding God

[Anonymous No.12494629]

>>12491794
are you a real life russian?

[Anonymous No.12495966]

>>12494629
Russians don’t actually exist

[Anonymous No.12496418]

>>12494629
why the fuck would it be кэк, pidoras???

[Anonymous No.12496455]

Ha cлoвaх ты
Лeв Toлcтoй
A нa дeлe
Хyй пpocтoй

[Anonymous No.12496467]

>>12496455
Mы,
oнaниcты,
peбятa
плeчиcты!
Hac
нe зaмaнишь
титькoй мяcиcтoй!
He
coвpaтишь нac
пиздoвoю
плeвoй!
Кoнчил
пpaвoй,
paбoтaй лeвoй!

[Anonymous No.12496753]

>>12496467
Зaeбaл вaш плeчизм.
Boзвpaщaйcя в шкoлy, из кoтopoй ты выпoлз

[Anonymous No.12496779]

>>12488795
>>12487399

"He walked down, trying to avoid staring at her like one onto the sun, but he saw her, as the sun, more so without looking"

Im obviously not translating it word for word but trying to be very minimal in changing the strcuture/wording

[Anonymous No.12497996]

>>12496779
no offense but you suck bruh