1984 wasn't realist-

[Anonymous No.12474432]

>PC Mansoor Gul told Mr Miller: “I’ve been on a course and what you need to understand is that you can have a foetus with a female brain that grows male body parts and that’s what a transgender person is.”

>After Mr Miller questioned why the complainant was being described as a “victim” if no crime had been committed, the officer told him: “We need to check your thinking”.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/01/24/man-investigated-police-retweeting-transgender-limerick/

[Anonymous No.12474454]

There's already a thread on this topic
Check the catalog faggot >>12472975

[Anonymous No.12474582]

>>12474432
The part that kills me is the policeman’s quote from a transgender sensitivity seminar conducted by a transgender person: “a male foetus can be born with a female brain.”
This is absolute bullshit. You’d think these people (transgenders) would know gender is a social construct. If there is any difference BIOLOGICALLY between a male and female brain, there is no way a male can be born with a female brain or vice versa. The odds of that happening would be extremely neglible to the point that “being transgender” would be an immensely rare phenomenon such as being born a hermaphrodite (having male and female sex organs). This is just baffling. There is nothing biological about gender. If there was you would notice nearly the same gender traits across all societies.

[Anonymous No.12474615]

>>12474432
1984 is about totalitarianism not free speech you mong

[Anonymous No.12474623]

>>12474615
“We need to check your thinking”.
>Not 1984

Ok

[Anonymous No.12474631]

>>12474615
>part of totalitarianism is not being able to contradict the ruling state’s narrative
>somehow in your mind this has nothing to do with free speech
Did you even read 1984? A major part of the plot is thought police. The government finds and neutralizes dissidents not only from action but the mere thought of not believing in the ruling state’s narrative for one second.

[Anonymous No.12474641]

>>12474615
So how do you square that with the idea of “newspeak” in the novel? Have you even read it?!!

[Anonymous No.12474673]

If it's a medical condition caused by one's brain, then a doctor should be able to medically diagnose it, correct? Oh wait, we don't do that, we're just supposed to take everyone at their word with no evidence at all other than their feelings. What kind of brain does a "genderqueer" have by the way?

[Anonymous No.12474681]

So if families could be actual proper families would the tranny problem basically dissapear over night?

[Anonymous No.12474708]

>>12474673
One in which during development gender roles for their society were not strongly communicated to them.
I want to point out that being transgender and wanting boobs plus vagina as a male or no boobs and a penis as a female are two completely different things. The former is not recognizing certain aspects of gender being constrained to your biological sex. For example males can have long hair, wear makeup, play with dolls, or paint their nails. It is a recognition that the gender roles and traits we have determined in our society for males and females (which are not strictly biological ie excluding breastfeeding, childbirth, etc.) are fluid, and that as a person you can adopt any of these which appeal to you. The former on the other is being transsexual. It no longer is about gender. It has now become about sex, and the desire to be your nonbiological sex. This phenomena is a delusion of the mind. The moment someone claiming to be transgender fixes their sight on obtaining the opposite sex’s sex organs or wanting to become the opposite sex they cease to be transgender. They are transsexual. This is a distinction that is never clearly made by LGBT advocates for obvious reasons.

[Anonymous No.12474984]

>>12474615
Have you read 1984? The most powerful tool the party uses is the destruction of language, and thus of thought. The ultimate goal of newspeak is to simplify the language so much that certain ideas won't even be possible to express verbally. And if you can't say it then you can't really think it.

[Anonymous No.12474992]

>>12474681
No. Transgendersim isn't an issue of nurturing. It's a mental disorder, it's something you probably have from birth. You can't just make it go away, just like you can't just get rid of schizophrenia or manic depression.

[Anonymous No.12475027]

>>12474582
>If there was you would notice nearly the same gender traits across all societies.
Master bait.

[Anonymous No.12475033]

>>12474992
How come then so many trans people detransition later in life?

[Anonymous No.12475036]

>>12474582
God, you "tabula rasa" idiots really need to shut up. No, the brain isn't entirely nurture you pseud:
Abstract:
>Biological differences between men and women contribute to many sex-specific illnesses and disorders. Historically, it was argued that such differences were largely, if not exclusively, due to gonadal hormone secretions. However, emerging research has shown that some differences are mediated by mechanisms other than the action of these hormone secretions and in particular by products of genes located on the X and Y chromosomes, which we refer to as direct genetic effects. This paper reviews the evidence for direct genetic effects in behavioral and brain sex differences. We highlight the `four core genotypes' model and sex differences in the midbrain dopaminergic system, specifically focusing on the role of Sry. We also discuss novel research being done on unique populations including people attracted to the same sex and people with a cross-gender identity. As science continues to advance our understanding of biological sex differences, a new field is emerging that is aimed at better addressing the needs of both sexes: gender-based biology and medicine. Ultimately, the study of the biological basis for sex differences will improve healthcare for both men and women.
Citation:
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3030621/
How about you stick to humanities, alright, little buddy?

[Anonymous No.12475039]

>>12474992
>it's something you probably have from birth
doubtful in every case
i'm sure shit upbringings play a role

[Anonymous No.12475042]

>>12475033
Perhaps they find that indulging their fantasy isn't the best way to deal with their problems?

[Anonymous No.12475044]

>>12474681
That wouldn't be nearly enough, are you unaware how heavily media is pushing it?

[Anonymous No.12475045]

Fuck off /pol/ brainlet, that's not what realism means.. the word you are looking for is realistic, not realist.

[Anonymous No.12475052]

>>12474615
The absolute state of this board. What the fuck are you even doing here?

[Anonymous No.12475060]

>>12475045
>He posts on /lit/, but doesn't understand what the punctuation means.
Worrying. Saddening. Maddening. Depressing.

[Anonymous No.12475061]

>>12475042
Almost like they realize gender is actually a gender construct and they're a better acting as the gender they actually fit in. Who would have thought they weren't women trapped in men bodies.

[Anonymous No.12475064]

>>12475042
>indulging their fantasy isn't the best way to deal with their problems
I don't know, it works for plenty of other disorders, it doesn't work with trans because it's inherently social.

[Anonymous No.12475067]

>>12475045
4.5/10 bait

[Anonymous No.12475068]

>>12475061
Why are you acting like I agree with them?
I just think they're unfortunate people with an unfortunate mental illness.

[Anonymous No.12475069]

>>12475061
But it isn't, parts of it are, but gender isn't a construct.
See: >>12475036
There are traits that differ between biological sexs, although, as with anything outliers, like transgenders, exist.

[Anonymous No.12475072]

>>12475036
I never said the brain was entirely nurture you absolute mong. And the abstract you posted is talking about biological aspects of the brain, and sex linked characteristics. Nothing about being transgender is sex-linked or biological. It’s social.

[Anonymous No.12475082]

>>12475072
Lmao, you can't read either! What a fucking retard, typical of a liberal arts though. So, I'm not overly shocked.
>This paper reviews the evidence for direct genetic effects in behavioral and brain sex differences.
Learn to read, idiot. Certainly if you're going to keep posting on a /lit/erature board.

[Anonymous No.12475083]

>>12475068
>I just think they're unfortunate people with an unfortunate mental illness.
They don't understand that, they believe anybody that doesn't support them hates them even though plenty of people have explicitly written about how the suffering of trans people is very unsettling.

[Anonymous No.12475086]

>>12474432
Why can't trans people just accept what they got? You don't see dwarfs demanding to be treated like tall people. It's such a neurotic thing. No one is 100% comfortable with the way they are but healthy people accept it and make the best out of it.

[Anonymous No.12475087]

>>12474641
its really long and hard to read, all right?

[Anonymous No.12475089]

>>12475072
>>12475082
Also:
>We also discuss novel research being done on unique populations including people attracted to the same sex and people with a cross-gender identity.

[Anonymous No.12475094]

>>12475060
Oh--I didn't see the dash--you still need to fuck off.

[Anonymous No.12475098]

>>12475094
Not him. I just like to point out how stupid you are. Because it is objective truth.

[Anonymous No.12475102]

>>12475098
dad?

[Anonymous No.12475104]

>>12475083
It's legitimately terrifying reading some of transitioning forums, It's a never-ending stream of existential dread.
So many stories of sexual assault and rape triggering their dysphoria.

[Anonymous No.12475111]

>>12475102
I swear, I'll get the cigarettes and I'll be home.
Why have I been gone for ten years? The gas station was out.

[Anonymous No.12475123]

>>12475036
From your paper which you have cited to disprove that gender is socially constructed and in no way biological:
>Our gender identity and the roles ascribed to that gender are heavily influenced by social factors
>Consequently, there is no clear support for a genetic basis of transsexualism at this point.

[Anonymous No.12475129]

>>12475082
>>12475089
>>12475123
Try reading the paper you posted

[Anonymous No.12475139]

>>12475123
>>12475129
From the same paper. Sure sounds like they're contradicting their own findings.
I wonder why? Possibly the milieu?

[Anonymous No.12475149]

>>12474432
The absolute state of Britbong conservatives (20:40):
https://youtu.be/eIqeayENY2o

[Anonymous No.12475157]

>>12475149
How else are you meant to carve the pumpkin? Or, is she upset about the fact they sold it to him?

[Anonymous No.12475159]

>>12475086
It's particularly disconcerting when they're handsome men transitioning into ugly manly hons. It's like passing on something you're really talented at because you like the fantasy of being great in something else even if you're utter shit at it.

[Anonymous No.12475164]

>>12475139
Ah, yes this definitively shows that being transgender is biological! I applaud you.

[Anonymous No.12475171]

>>12474992

[Anonymous No.12475176]

Why isn't human society biological? Don't we typically look at other animal societies from a biological standpoint?

[Anonymous No.12475177]

>>12475164
Stop being disingenous, seriously.
It certainly contradicts:
>Our gender identity and the roles ascribed to that gender are heavily influenced by social factors
Also, have you even read the Wiki page about your disorder?
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_transsexuality#Biological_factors
There's quite a bit of evidence, even from a source like the Wiki, about "possible" biological factors.

[Anonymous No.12475181]

>>12475176
It is.
Abstract:
>Genes and culture are often thought of as opposite ends of the nature–nurture spectrum, but here we examine possible interactions. Genetic association studies suggest that variation within the genes of central neurotransmitter systems, particularly the serotonin (5-HTTLPR, MAOA-uVNTR) and opioid (OPRM1 A118G), are associated with individual differences in social sensitivity, which reflects the degree of emotional responsivity to social events and experiences. Here, we review recent work that has demonstrated a robust cross-national correlation between the relative frequency of variants in these genes and the relative degree of individualism–collectivism in each population, suggesting that collectivism may have developed and persisted in populations with a high proportion of putative social sensitivity alleles because it was more compatible with such groups. Consistent with this notion, there was a correlation between the relative proportion of these alleles and lifetime prevalence of major depression across nations. The relationship between allele frequency and depression was partially mediated by individualism–collectivism, suggesting that reduced levels of depression in populations with a high proportion of social sensitivity alleles is due to greater collectivism. These results indicate that genetic variation may interact with ecological and social factors to influence psychocultural differences.
Citation:
>https://academic.oup.com/scan/article/5/2-3/203/1664339

[Anonymous No.12475219]

>>12475177
Why do you assume transgender and transsexual are the same? They aren’t.

[Anonymous No.12475225]

>>12475219
How now brown cow?

[Anonymous No.12475232]

>>12475219
>>12475225
Okay, so apparently, transsexual is a "subset" of transgender.
Surely, transsexual is what you mean when you go on about transitioning and whatnot? Therefore, you ARE talking about that subset.

[Anonymous No.12475255]

>>12475181
This is such a bad speculative article. Dropped hard.

Thank god all you do is clean toilets. If you're presenting this shit I can only imagine what kind of 'science' you would come up with yourself.

[Anonymous No.12475262]

>>12475232
Being transsexual is different because you actually want to transistion to a nonbiological sex. This would give the impression it is linked closer to the brain, mental disease, and genetics. It has no longer become about transcending societal defined gender norms. They have now become fixated on attempting to change their biology.

[Anonymous No.12475279]

>>12475255
Fun fact, that isn't an argument.
Also:
Abstract:
>Human characteristics are the product of gene–culture coevolution, which is an evolutionary dynamic involving the interaction of genes and culture over long time periods. Gene–culture coevolution is a special case of niche construction. Gene–culture coevolution is responsible for human other-regarding preferences, a taste for fairness, the capacity to empathize and salience of morality and character virtues.
Citation:
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3048999/
You "tabula rasa" motherfuckers need to stay at home.

>>12475262
First of all.
The topic of this thread is clearly talking about transsexuals, as one of the remarks in the article posted was to do with sex changes.
You then replied, speaking about the biolgoical implications, et cetera.
Transexual as defined in the WIki is:
>Transsexual (less commonly transexual[1]) people experience a gender identity that is inconsistent with, or not culturally associated with, their assigned sex, and desire to permanently transition to the gender with which they identify, usually seeking medical assistance (including hormone replacement therapy and other sex reassignment therapies) to help them align their body with their identified sex or gender.
So yes, that does apply.

[Anonymous No.12475290]

>>12475262
>>12475279
Fyi, I don't really care if the facts make you feel uneasy about your culture. If you can't cope with the biological implications, though luck.
No one should be censored for your feels, just like no one would be censored for mine.
Unless, of course, they are trying to incite violence.
Aside from that? Words aren't violence, violence is violence.

[Anonymous No.12475303]

Sounds like the police officer has a closet trans fetish

[Anonymous No.12475388]

>>12475033
Because it makes them money twice instead of just the once

[Anonymous No.12475410]

>>12474432
Does anyone have the limerick he retweeted?

[Anonymous No.12475471]

>>12474992
>it's something you probably have from birth
Could you be any more delusional.

[Anonymous No.12475473]

[Anonymous No.12475506]

>>12475410
Yeah, it wasn't even a Limerick as such! Must be some new usage of the word "Limerick" of which I was unaware...

You’re a man.
Your breasts are made of silicone
Your vagina goes nowhere
And we can tell the difference
Even when you are not there
Your hormones are synthetic
And let’s just cross this bridge:
What you have you stupid man
Is male privilege

[Anonymous No.12475528]

>>12475506
Based and TERF pilled.

[Anonymous No.12475545]

>>12475506
Huh, it wasn't even that funny. You're right, it really isn't a limerick.

[Anonymous No.12475564]

>>12475177
>Stop being disingenous,
You're trying to get some prog to agree with wrongthink, it is not going to happen

[Anonymous No.12475709]

>>12475528
Why is everyone in England a TERF or a non passing transperson? It doesn't make any sense for there to be such a dense concentration of people concerned with trans issues. Is there something in the water over there? Is it because English women are so manly looking?

[Anonymous No.12475739]

>>12474432
All I can say is thank god for Islam. The west has failed, and deserves the death it is dying.

[Anonymous No.12475784]

>>12475471
It's true though.

[Anonymous No.12475941]

>>12475709
You merely adopted propaganda, the British were born in it, molded by it.

[Anonymous No.12476627]

>>12475157
She's horrified that they sold her son a dangerous weapon.

[Anonymous No.12476631]

Fuck off to your containment site

[Anonymous No.12476639]

>>12474432
Nietzsche was right about the English.

[Anonymous No.12476753]

>>12475149
Why are his eyes so dark, what kind of abomination is this?

[Anonymous No.12476793]

>bongistan
>ever a free society
pick one

[Anonymous No.12476854]

>>12475709
I'm surprised TERFism isn't more popular with American radfems- it's obvious that a huge chunk of trannies are failed hetero men who don't mind becoming a "trans lesbian" if it means getting pussy from tumblr girls.
The weird ultra-intersectionality is the single biggest shadow of absurdity over leftist social politics these days. You'd get a lot more people taking it seriously if you could criticize capitalism without having to turn it into a genuflection about trans-latinx-neuroatypicals or some other totally unrelated shit.

[Anonymous No.12476896]

>>12476854
I'm kind of glad that TERFs aren't as prevalent in the US. They seem very toxic and resentful. Transbians, at least the ones I've met aren't that bad. There is definitely a vocal minority that gives the movement a bad name and they do ought to be shunned, but they are small peanuts compared to other social problems. I think the emphasis the modern American left places on identity politics is just a safe sublimation of energy after the 1960s class and race based movements were destroyed by the establishment. It is pretty ridiculous that you can be chased out of a socialist party for being too concerned with class politics. I would bet that a non significant portion of idpol is just COINTELPRO propaganda.

[Anonymous No.12476961]

I know far to many suicidal trans people, why can't they ever be happy? they receive so much support from everybody around them and it's never enough.

[Anonymous No.12476997]

>>12476961
They give hormones out like candy. It's fucked a lot of people up, almost fucked me up until I realized I was acting the mick.

[Anonymous No.12477008]

>>12474582
There is a difference between female and male brains but it's hormonal and developmental, not literally different organs, you can't switch them or clearly delimit them. This difference remains regardless of personal feelings or delusions, your body constitutes whether you are male or female, if you develop a male reproductive system then you develop a so-called 'male brain', it is one system. Delusions are only seated in your 'self', which is a tiny aspect of the whole organism and should be approached as such, not given kneejerk precedence. Especially when the delusion is not even significant, it's more a fashion trend.

[Anonymous No.12477016]

>>12476793
>one of the oldest democracies in the world, born from deepseated tradition
>birthplace of any notion of rights or freedoms
retard
though I agree this is ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.12477024]

>>12477016
>one of the oldest democracies in the world
you're ignorant as fuck my dude

[Anonymous No.12477044]

>>12476961
They desperately want something they can't have.

[Anonymous No.12477088]

>>12476896
It's kind of a paranoid thought but I agree with you. Nothing has subverted leftist economic ambitions as well as progressive idpol.
Divide and conquer. I'm alright with it because I'm aware of the limitations of a leftist planned economy but I don't doubt they've used similar strategies on people with my agenda.

[Anonymous No.12477135]

>>12476961
if you're a true trans you're fucked up in the head with other shit most likely, because its a defect biologically speaking. being trans is like being born with tree arms, its rare to be, buts even rarer that the third arm is fully functioning and formed. being fucked up in the head along with all the bullshit trans people have to deal with would make any sane person want to jump in front of a bus.

then there's fake trans or "traps" who are just weird autistic autistic outcast who cant deal with the changes brought by puberty and/or advanced loneliness. you can go on r9k or any 4chan discord and see it slowly happening. it begins with fapping to traps, and then wanting to be the trap/ little girl, wanting to be cute and loved and innocent, eventually it turns into full blown fetish-fetishism. this type of tranny are the easiest to distinguish because they dress like they originally wish their imaginary girlfriend would, knee socks, skater skirts, t shirt et.c.

people just goad these people on "with good intentions" its like they don't realize its a delicate psychological issue that takes time and soul searching and cost/ benefit analysis. its all feel good "do good" to them and yaas queeen and when guys in skirts start cutting their wrists its not their fault its because of "straight bullying"

[Anonymous No.12477147]

>>12477135
So Blanchard was right with his HSTS/AGP dicotomy? Also, your post doesn't explain FTMs

[Anonymous No.12477184]

>>12477147
FTM is the same, women are less prone to dramatic, physical and impulsive acts suicide but they're fucked up anyway

ever notice how most FTM look like "the bad boy" out of a late 90s early 00s boy band?

[Anonymous No.12477200]

>>12477184
m8 that is a picture of zayn malik, who is a male pop singer

[Anonymous No.12477246]

>>12477200
gay that you know that m8. if you used reverse image search thats double gay.

its just something i found on a google image search for "bad boy boyband archetype"

[Anonymous No.12477253]

>>12477246
i know because he has a song with Taylor swift I like, so I think I achieve the coveted 'triple gay' for my efforts

[Anonymous No.12477276]

>>12477088
Chad does exist, what delusion is this.