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Is it fair to say that he is the Nietzsche, or at very least the Carl Jung of our time?

>> No.12427776

>>12427727
Jung is far more significant than Nietzsche so it doesn’t make sense to say “or at least Jung”. But yes, he is this generation’s Nietzsche: a self help doofus for wayward edgy boys who is fundamentally right in a lot of ways but who embarrasses himself on basically every particular.

>> No.12427814

no

>> No.12427864

No, and you're either baiting or retarded

>> No.12427882

>>12427727
No

>> No.12427903

>>12427727
Epic /leftypol/ irony thread

>> No.12427915

Fuck NO! I bet you don’t even understand how much of a hack he is compared to Nietszche and Jung.

>> No.12427954
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12427954

yes!

>> No.12427985

>>12427727
Grow up youtubebabby

>> No.12428025

>>12427954
hahaha jesus christ I didn't realize it was this bad

>> No.12428800

>>12427727
>hears about Nietzsche in hs
>see a popular guy on youtube talking about him
>start fapping to peterson daily

wtf man

>> No.12428927

>>12427727

The greatest mind of the 21st Century is Marshall McLuhan

>> No.12428932

>>12427727
reminder to report these threads for the advertising and marketing they are

>> No.12428944

>>12427727
No
>>12427776
>Jung is far more significant than Nietzsche
lol wtf, am I in bizarro world

>> No.12429293
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12429293

Jordan Peterson is the Jordan Peterson of our time.

>> No.12429311

>>12427954
WTF!

>> No.12429323

>>12427727
DJ "Big nuts" Jung >>>>>>>>>> Neechee >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jay clean dick Pee

>> No.12429328

At-least he is better than the pseuds of this sub, who think hey no more about philosophy than a person who is academia for past 30 years.

>> No.12429333

>>12428944
Nietzsche never said anything useful to anybody. Jung spent his entire life mapping out the human psyche methodically and his findings (if they aren't distorted beyond recognition by con-men like JP) are our only hope of sanity in the modern world.

>> No.12429338

Yes

>> No.12429341
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>>12427776
>Jung is far more significant than Nietzsche

>> No.12429346 [DELETED] 

>>12429333
>human psyche methodically
I beg to differ

>> No.12429358

>>12407382

>Peterson is the modern equivalent of Jung and is extremely well-read

Jordan Peterson is not a philosopher and he is not a scientist in the humanities or social science. Most of the things he says which sound "philosophical" are in the field of analytical psychology (Jungian psychology).
But then, he would be uncovered as a quacksalver, too.
1. Jungian psychology is highly criticized. (Personally, I study Jungian psychology and support Jung's theories.)
2. Which brings me to the second point: Peterson doesn't apply Jungian psychology orderly. He uses Jungs theory to justify most of what he says but he ignores the part of Jungian psychology that wouldn't fit in his world view. For example, in Jungian psychology the political right and left are the representation of equal forces in the collective unconscious. Fighting against the SJW is illogical according to Jungian psychology. Now, you could argue that he developed Jungian psychology but he didn't. He doesn't explain the significant meanderings.
3.He himself said that he is captured by an archetype. In Jungian psychology, it means that he doesn't make an inner conflict conscious and projects it onto something in the outer world. (Obviously, it's his work.) He plays the archetype of the father and hero and attracts people, who unconsciously need to compensate this archetype.

https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/615e3z/i_am_dr_jordan_b_peterson_u_of_t_professor/dfby6as/
Jordan Peterson about the hero archetype:
> My wife keeps me from identifying too much with the archetype :)

https://www.reddit.com/r/JordanPeterson/comments/7ttg88/the_archetypal_father_signed_my_atlas/
He signed as the "archetypal father".

Also: Even though, Jungian psychology is the foundation of his work, he never went through a Jungian therapy or has an education in Jungian psychology.

>> No.12429365

>>12429346
his model of the psyche is absolutely superior to garbage like DSM-5. Him and to a lesser extent Freud are like the Romans to our dark ages. I hope you aren't one of those people who think diagnoses like schizoid or bipolar or borderline or histrionic which are absurdly interchangeable represent anything other than regression from previous knowledge.

>> No.12429373

>>12429365
Interesting

>> No.12429379

>>12429358
From what I've seen he seems to completely ignore the anima/animus, and I don't think he's ever gotten close to touching on his works on alchemy. I mean I haven't either but I'm not an academic in the field of psychology

>> No.12429387

>>12429293
Based asian milkerposter

>> No.12429394

>>12427727
>THOSE BLOODY POOOSTMODERNISTS, THEY’RE THE ONES KEEPING YOU FROM WASHING YOUR BLOODY PENIS AND SAVING YOUR FATHER FROM THE UNDERWORLD, AND ITS REALLY JUST BAD STUFF MAN
no

>> No.12429409

>>12429373
m8 you have no idea. The five factor model is like the four humors of old, it's so retarded how far we've fallen. You mix up conscientiousness neuroticism,openness, etc. and you magically get individual personalities, just like mixing up black and yellow bile gives you the plague

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>>12428927
No, it's Kevin MacDonald.

>> No.12429433

>>12427954

I'm cringing at the Mosley avatar

>> No.12429446

>>12427727
Peterson is smart, well-read, knows alot of shit about the humanities, western culture and religion, and is good at literary analysis. He's a dingleberry of psychoanalysis. He's a conservative intellectual who has risen as a direct challenge to the unrestricted leftist narrative that has dominated the humanities since the mid-late 1900s.

He's not a fucking revolutionary, but there is PLENTY of room for his philosophy and cultural criticism. If you disagree without a real reason you're just a fucking half-wit.

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>> No.12429471

>>12429446
he's a stabilizing influence though, which is a terrible thing. He wants to bring society back just close enough to normal that the tech/mass-media system can continue to function without mishap. That means that we'll just continue to deep fry our psyche's for another hundred years or so until decay overtakes us. Better to get it over with now when we're still somewhat human.

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>>12427727
If by Nietzsche or Jung, you mean a guy with a logically inconsistent philosophy built on sophistry and personal whim, who midwits study and bring up in conversation to seem sophisticated, then yes.

>> No.12429505

>>12429471
contd. JP style normal is the exact opposite of what needs to happen. Right now people still have a cultural memory of how life was like before mass media, but in a hundred years they won't at all. There won't be anything at all to fall back on when they realize that their model of reality is flawed.

>> No.12429512

>>12429471
Great point about the "stabilizing influence". I think this at the core of his thought. It's why he can't be "original".

I don't think the rest of your argument is necessarily the case however.

Thank you for the thoughtful response...was refreshing.

>> No.12429548

>>12427727
No he's more of a right wing flavored gatekeeper for the establishment, like Hitchensor like Chomsky for the left

>> No.12429553 [DELETED] 

>>12429446
If you disagree without a real reason you're just a fucking half-wit
>>12414358
>>12417229
>>12417612
>>12417883
>>12417841
Go through 4chan archive and look for Peterson or pseud, you will find enough criticism of him. If you read through all of them in unbiased way, you will realize that Peterson is pseud.

>> No.12429555

>>12429505
It's a valid point. But being conservative doesn't mean holding on to EVERYTHING. JP's more conservative way of thinking doesn't retard cultural development. I think it helps guide it...conservative thought looks back at CERTAIN ELEMENTS of the past with a sense of honor. For example, JPs lectures on the Bible use modern understandings of mythology, anthropology, literary analysis, and psychoanalysis to make sense of a document at the root of western culture that serves to connect modern man somewhat with yesterday's man. There's lots of useful knowledge in old texts and in ancient wisdom that could benefit the people of today. If this kind of tough thinking and discovery has already been done, then we have something to gain from it instead of find it all out all over again from scratch.

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12429559

>>12427727
No, it would not be fair. Peterson has nothing new to offer at all. He's just an attention whore at this point.

Also, this is a good video that every brainlet follower of JP should watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7u3Lu-kzgg

>> No.12429576

>>12429553
Peterson has a misunderstanding of most post-modernism. I'll concede this. But this doesn't invalidate EVERYTHING he's ever said.

I'm actually surprised that Peterson doesn't embrace some post-modernists more. At times he seems to fit in quite well with some of them. He's blinded by the evil Marxist in the closet.

>> No.12429578

>>12429446
>If you disagree without a real reason you're just a fucking half-wit
>>12414358
>>12417229
>>12417612
>>12417883
>>12417841
Go through 4chan archive and look for Peterson or pseud, you will find enough criticism of him. If you read through all of them in unbiased way, you will realize that Peterson is pseud.

>> No.12429605

>>12427727
>He's a psychologist
enough said

>> No.12429606

>>12429559
Try to not look at JP as a mammoth intellectual figure, and try to look at him as a harbinger for more airtime of academics with more developed and refined conservative thought that has been suppressed for the past sixty years. Freud was ridiculous, and while Jung was still a Pseud, the thought was MUCH MORE refined and influential. Consider even the lineage of Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle.

I think that Peterson is a much needed breath of fresh air that will help open the general discourse.

>> No.12429624

He's an above average psychologist

>> No.12429627

>>12429578
i dont know how to find it
you find it

>> No.12429633

>>12429487
The parable of the madman is awesome. Read that, then watch Zardoz.

>> No.12429640

>>12429555
I'm not even "conservative" in the traditional sense. It's not a left wing right wing type of thing. I just agree with Ellul that mass-media has profoundly changed culture, and that it is inseparable from propaganda.

>> No.12429656

>>12427727
I think it's fair to say his daughter is a thot

>> No.12429678

>>12427727
no, kek

>> No.12429693

>>12429656
lol

>> No.12429701

>>12427727
He's a self-help author.

>> No.12429720

>>12429656
Lol, look what I found:
https://dailystormer.name/why-does-jordan-peterson-thinks-hes-a-father-figure-when-his-daughter-is-a-huge-slut/

>> No.12429765

>>12429720
>https://dailystormer.name/why-does-jordan-peterson-thinks-hes-a-father-figure-when-his-daughter-is-a-huge-slut/
Are we really talking about dailystormer's articles?

>> No.12429775

>>12429765
Yes, I know it is hilariously ridiculous. Peterson is a pseud , but writing such articles about him is so stupid, I bet the author must be butt-hurt SJW.

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>>12429656

>> No.12429802

>>12429775
The fact that a man is capable of hurting the butts of SJWs and getting PRAISE for on a large scale it is the most refreshing thing of the new millennium.

>> No.12429830

>>12429802
Naah, it was common way before Peterson even started doing it himself.

>> No.12429835

>>12429765
Why not? I mean if he's a nazi and nazis hate him, he must be the most awful human being alive

>> No.12429841

>>12428927
he's on the short list

>> No.12429878

jbp is the new socrates. we in a new paradigm for philosophy

>> No.12429939

>>12427727
Kill yourself NOW.

>> No.12429952

>>12427727
He is a literal reincarnation of the Rattenfänger
Him bringing the church and Nietzsche together is the most vile thing ever and this incel preacher should die

>> No.12429955

this generation's paulo coehlo t b h

>> No.12430087

>>12427727
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgB55mgGw9E
Peterson IQ is no higher than 125, he is a snake oil salesman that sounds smart to dumb people.

>> No.12430095

>>12429878
i'm trigggered

>> No.12430126

>>12429952
But he's absolutely right, Nietszche was sad about God's death, it's up to us to revive God.

>> No.12430196

>>12427727
He's a super-normie that failed normies worship because they don't know anything other than being a fucking normie.

>> No.12430545

>>12429606
This. Peterson should hopefully get people into deeper philosophic traditions that are more fleshed out.

>> No.12430563

>>12429394
i can't put into words how much these jordan bernt peterson impersonations crack me up.
bless.

>> No.12430564

>>12430545
pseudo-scholarship does not promote genuine scholarship.

>> No.12430567

>>12429790
Damn..

>> No.12430572

>>12430087
>That link
Kill yourself

>> No.12430575

What does Jordan Peterson think of Freud?

>> No.12430586 [DELETED] 

>>12430575
why care? /lit/ pseuds won't understand him

>> No.12430753

>>12430126
No it was a mixed bag. The point was God is dead but bringing him back is probably fruitless, it is necessary to try and work through it.