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What kind of person do you imagine?

>> No.12420582

Either somebody who has spent years in toiling in a hostile academic setting or somebody who falls for memes very easily

>> No.12420584

>>12420577
Blonde muslim

>> No.12420593

>>12420577
some poor bastard looking for a spiritual refuge so desperately that he'll fall for larpers like guenon.

>> No.12420594

>>12420577
my ideal boyfriend

>> No.12420597

>>12420577
a pseud that might become non-pseud in like 10 years when he realizes just reading won't get him anywhere

>> No.12420602

>>12420577
based and redpilled

>> No.12420603

>>12420577
Someone who fell for the meme

>mfw fell for the Evola meme

>> No.12420611

>>12420603
Evola is a meme, Guénon isn't desu

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>>12420577

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>> No.12420645

>>12420637
is that dieuxdonné?

>> No.12420664

>>12420611
Perennialism as a whole is a meme.
>dude, let's reinterpret these ancient tradtions in a way that the people who actually followed them didn't and claim some esoteric unity to them

>> No.12420673

>>12420664
Something can have a higher meaning without the author knowing of it. For example, King Kong can be symbolic for the fear of what would happen when the black slaves would get equal rights. The ones who made the movie said that King Kong had no hidden meaning. That does not mean that one cannot interpret King Kong in that way.

>> No.12420770

>>12420582
This

>> No.12420784

Thread theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmbkfTiLQ58

>> No.12420799

>>12420645
Shoooooo ananas sho sho sho ananas

>> No.12420813

>>12420614
Why would a German nationalist adore a Sunni Muslim?

>> No.12420822

>>12420664
confirmed for not having read any of the relevant primary sources

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>>12420813
Why wouldn't he?

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>>12420673
The problem is that many religious traditions have an exclusive claim to truth that set them in irreconciliable opposition to any meaningful unity. For example, Eastern Orthodoxy affirms that ultimate reality is personal, explicitly rejecting the monism of Greek philosophy and other Eastern traditions. To unify these traditions you have to reduce them to the level of deistic analysis which leads absolutely nowhere.

The only reason to study Perennialism is if you plan on starting your own cult like Gurdjieff or Manson.

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>> No.12420865

>>12420838
Times have changed retard. That's like me saying "oh why would an American nationalist adore a communist?" and you would say "haha but Americans and Communists were allies in the Second World War".

>> No.12420874

>>12420577
I imagine a very intelligent and hedonistically inclined young man with slightly poor social skills with pretences of being above the political to mask his cowardice of taking action to promote the system of racial and spiritual hierarchy that the world requires for human thriving.

>> No.12421013

>>12420846
>The problem is that many religious traditions have an exclusive claim to truth that set them in irreconciliable opposition to any meaningful unity.
Guenon and the other traditionalists don't take the unity of them as an end in itself, but rather recommend sticking to one thing and following its path while also learning about and understanding others. Also, when you really get into the details of things many religions are much less mutually exclusive than you make it seem; many Hindu texts talk about how all the various Gods people worship are really just the Supreme God making itself known in various ways, Sihkism and Tantra are both explicitly perennialist, in the Quran Allah says stuff like 'for each people we have appointed a path and a book' and 'if we had wanted to make everyone the same we would have' etc, tons of Sufis have written about perennialist ideas and even official Catholic doctrine is that people outside of the Church can still be saved by a mysterious grace which is connected to Christ.

>For example, Eastern Orthodoxy affirms that ultimate reality is personal, explicitly rejecting the monism of Greek philosophy and other Eastern traditions.
Around half of the various eastern traditions and their subschools hold that the ultimate reality is personal

>The only reason to study Perennialism is if you plan on starting your own cult like Gurdjieff or Manson
this is moronic

>> No.12421078

>>12421013
I'm not saying that there isn't such a thing as a perennial tradition but that many traditions that perrenialists claim as perennial really aren't. It's often a case of: "let me tell you what your tradition really means". Schuon does this when he interprets Christianity through his Plotinian lens which is anathema in Orthodoxy.

>> No.12421096

>>12420577
Why the long face?

>> No.12421170

>>12421078
>I'm not saying that there isn't such a thing as a perennial tradition but that many traditions that perrenialists claim as perennial really aren't. It's often a case of: "let me tell you what your tradition really means". Schuon does this when he interprets Christianity through his Plotinian lens which is anathema in Orthodoxy.
Yes I agree with you. Schuon is like the black sheep of traditionalism and many people consider him a quack who give it a bad name with his antics not dissimilar to how Timothy Leary ruined the public perception of psychedelics and helped make them illegal with his actions. I have seen some people post some doctrinal claims he made which are questionable as well but I've avoided reading his books other than glancing at a few chapters so I wouldn't know.

Also, in order for the perennialist world-view to withstand scrutiny, all religions don't have to necessarily self-identify as perennialist. One view is that even doctrines which regard themselves as the only and mutually exclusive truth could have been a religion that God created for a certain people, time and place for reasons we can never know, or in other words just because a religion may not self-identify as perennialist doesn't render a that religion an invalid spiritual path from a certain perennialist perspective.

>> No.12421198

>>12421096
he's got common ancestors with Virginia Woolf, it is known.