/sffg/ - Science Fiction & Fantasy General

[Anonymous No.12419280]

Overrated books edition
>List all the books that didn't live up to their hype

Monthly Reading for January: A Scanner Darkly by Philip K Dick

Fantasy:
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Science Fiction:
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NPR's Top 100 Science Fiction & Fantasy Books:
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SF&F author listing with ratings and summaries:
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[Anonymous No.12419295]

>>12419280
>b..but anon botns is not meant to be understood and enjoyed until you're on your 4th reread

[lactiferousducKs No.12419298]

i have an idea for a character for short science fiction

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a baltic parthenogenic foetus injected with apergers who communicates through techno-waves the answers to her baccalaureate examination after which she completes her studies @ ens after one year of infancy & is professor emeritus of psycho-theosophy after two summers which leads on to her retirement @ the age of nine who the demiurge gave the balkan name niska because he was tired & mistook the two regions

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thoughts

[Anonymous No.12419300]

>>12419298
I will steal this.

[Anonymous No.12419315]

why do you keep reading science fiction and fantasy trash when spy novels are far superior?

[lactiferousducKs No.12419320]

>>12419300

also it takes place in the late nineteenth century & bergson is there & laforgue is mentioned

[Anonymous No.12419321]

>>12419280
fucking retard putting title on name

[Anonymous No.12419328]

>>12419321
are you blind, you fucking donkey? what the fuck are you even on about?

[lactiferousducKs No.12419336]

>>12419320

this is the school she attends throughout her foetushood

they allowed her "mother" (another girl (needs to be young to make the child as health as possible)) to attend even tho it was a boys' school @ the time

[Anonymous No.12419346]

>>12419315
what's your favorite spy novel spy anon? You always say the same things but never give any recs.

[Anonymous No.12419355]

>Not liking BOTNS
/sffg/ being brainlet central like always

[Anonymous No.12419384]

>>12419328
clover bugged sry

[Anonymous No.12419479]

>>12419355
>Not living up to the hype is the same as not liking
k

[Anonymous No.12419510]

>>12419227
Where on the cover, that you said you didn't even have to google the book to find out, is there something saying it's African fiction? Please point out to this "cuckboi".>>12409559

[Anonymous No.12419521]

>>12419510
On the cover there are two niggers, who you pretended not to see, you mouth breathing mongoloid. I didn’t even know the author was black, but saw it was African fiction when you mentioned it there too. But keep being mad that I said nigger you fucking nigger.

[Anonymous No.12419527]

>>12419346
I would like to know this too. I've read Altered Carbon but I'd like some more stuff in a similar vein.

[Anonymous No.12419540]

>>12419298
How about you inject yourself with asperger

[Anonymous No.12419555]

I hope I can build up momentum soon. ~350 words a day is not an encouraging pace for a novel

>>12419280
LoTR and The Hobbit honestly. its extremely slow and unlike in the movies none of the characters have much personality. I respect Tolkien for writing a mythology like that, but I wish he focused on the parts that make myths memorable, not the drudgery of a journey

[Anonymous No.12419561]

>>12419346
>>12419527
try some Eric Ambler

[Anonymous No.12419620]

>>12419561
Looks interesting. Thanks, anon.

[Anonymous No.12419652]

Anyone else read Stephen Baxter’s Ark books as a kid? One of the series that really got me into sci fi.

[Anonymous No.12419828]

Download: http://b-ok.cc/book/878958/0c476b

[Anonymous No.12419832]

>>12419280
Image not related I assume?

[Anonymous No.12419856]

>>12419280
>>12419355
I decided to finish the last book of the series so that I could had a properly informed opinion.

To me, Severian was probably the most unlikable protagonist I've had the displeasure to walk alongside on a fictional road trip, I can understand people defending the series, but never defending this insufferable omega-autist.
Also, he fucks every woman character that gets a name, I'm not even joking, even if this last part sound interesting to you, you are out of luck, because Wolfe just writes "and that night he penetrated her" and that it.

At some point some anon tried to refute this point, he was adamant than this series was not, in fact, an edgy teenagers wet dream where protagonist fucked the meat clam of every female character. He ree'd:

>"You don't get it! He's an unreliable narrator, just because he says those women got banged it doesn't mean it actually happened!"

And so anon scrambled for evidence of Severian not being a reliable narrator, and
proceeded to reveal his trump hard, his ultimate proff. Remember that one pivotal character from book 1 he promised his guild he wouldn't fuck? Well, turns out it was indeed, actually also fucked by our protagonist.

The world has some cool ideas but the character dynamics and dialogs are horrendous imo. I got tricked into reading it after some anon told me it was on the level of LoTR. Anon, if you are reading this, Ii just want to say you are probably a turbo crayon eater, and that maybe you should have more experience in the field of literature before making heavy handed recommendations.

One thing I want to make clear, is that I don't believe believe Wolfe to be "a bad writer", quite the contrary, the world he had come up with is fascination. The problem is that he is a stupid writer, because he cant write dialogue for shit, and chose a roadtrip adventure as the structure of the story.
Lets compare his to Lovecraft, someone who by no means I consider extraordinary, but someone who nevertheless played always to his strengths. He was a basement dweller who probably had a dozen or so face to face conversation in his whole adult life, knowing full well this was not his forte, he tells his story through letters, musings,and an impersonal narrator that tells us of new evidence being unearthed.

This might be a bit of a tangent, but years ago I read an spanish kids book called "La venganza de las risitas". The aforementioned "Risitas" where these kind of omniscient vengeful-trickster sprites that punished adults who were cruel to their children by planting an unavoidable dog turn on their way.To ensure a successful strike, these hairy sprites paid a sheckle to a dog that through many years of practice, had managed to poop out shit whit the exact shape of the sole of any shoe, so that shadow casted by the adult's footwear perfectly concealed the turds beneath.
To me, this is the perfect analogy for both the protagonist and the series as a whole.

that's all.

[Anonymous No.12419866]

>>12419298
what makes writerfags feel so welcome to leave their shit in every thread? can't u rejects get a discord or a subreddit or something?

[lactiferousducKs No.12419915]

>>12419866

pill me on plebbit

you seem to know your way around there

[Anonymous No.12419927]

>>12419856
>I got tricked into reading it after some anon told me it was on the level of LoTR.
Was it my chart?

[Anonymous No.12419942]

>>12419927
How would we know which chart is yours if you don't include it in your post you dense cabbage.

[Anonymous No.12420014]

>>12419942
He'd be able to recognize it because it literally had only 2 books at the top (Lord of the Rings and TBotNS).

[Anonymous No.12420043]

>>12419856
Imagine being this much of a fucking pleb.

[Anonymous No.12420118]

Okay, anons. Who's your SFF crush?

Don't pretend you don't have one.

[Anonymous No.12420133]

>>12420118
I've always wanted to hate fuck the shit out of Egwene.

[Anonymous No.12420156]

>>12419856
First of all, BotNS is not for everyone.

I do not like Severian. He is a a narcissist, a liar and a rapist. I do think the slept with every woman he say he slept with but he raped Jolenta and Thecla hardly slept with because she was lusting for him. The whole Thecla affair is one of my favourite parts of the book desu, in a truly subtle way (I can't believe I just wrote that) it show that Severian is unreliable, expose his lies and show how the Albazo soup have changed him and merged his person with Theclas.

[Anonymous No.12420157]

>>12420118
Maureen Johnson Smith Long from Heinlein novels,she is the perfect mommy

[Anonymous No.12420158]

>>12420118
Ellen Page.

[Anonymous No.12420170]

What are some good fantasy novels with antagonists and villains that have interesting motivations? I keep getting book recommendations from people but most of the time the conflict resolves entirely around some "evil" person/god being evil for the sake of being evil.

[Anonymous No.12420176]

>>12419555
Read Children of Hurin.
It's his best work imo.

[Anonymous No.12420179]

>>12419828
Are we ever going to read something good?

>>12420118
Kvothe

[Anonymous No.12420192]

Soulcatcher

>>12420158
She's a real person, anon, not a sci-fi or fantasy character.

[Anonymous No.12420200]

>>12419856
wolfags DESTROYED

[Anonymous No.12420205]

>>12420170
Masters of Rome

[Anonymous No.12420231]

>>12420118
I want to cuddle with Pat Rothfuss

[Anonymous No.12420247]

>>12420170
Prince of Nothing

[Anonymous No.12420253]

>>12420231
You want lice?

[Anonymous No.12420254]

>>12420170
Tigana

[Anonymous No.12420272]

>>12420170
Sarantine Mosaic

[Anonymous No.12420293]

>>12420118
Jade Harley

[Anonymous No.12420447]

>>12419280
I just finished The Book of the New Sun and it far exceeded my expectations. A masterpiece I'm sure I will enjoy many times more.

[Anonymous No.12420459]

>>12419280
I didn't like Book of the New Sun at first, I actually quit reading it a few chapters into the second book. Then I picked it up again a year later and enjoyed it immensely. I even read Urth of the New Sun.

[Anonymous No.12420525]

>>12419280
I've tried reading this 4 times, I get bored and drop shortly after he leaves the tower everytime.

[Anonymous No.12420580]

>>12419280
I've read the first book, thought it was meh, tried reading the second two years later, felt confused and dropped it quickly because I didn't remember anything from the first book.

[Anonymous No.12420651]

>>12419856
You make some valid points (rapey Severian, poor dialogue). A few weeks ago someone linked a forum post that mentioned the male power fantasy and one dimensional females, and also focused more on prose and style, and it also made some valid points.

Still, I love the series for how rich the text can be. It's a multilayered landscape, so rich in fact, that you can make your own interpretation out of the whole or of specific parts, sort of a meta narrative where the reader actively toys with the puzzles to create his own stories.
Sure, you could try to solve every puzzle, which can be both entertaining and fulfilling, and extract the "true" plot, but why would you?

I've read New Sun multiple times, all the other Sun and Soldier series and some other stuff, and even if you get or don't get the mysteries, you're usually left with more questions and impressionistic pictures. I think Wolfe loved to read such stories and developed his own style after this, using multiple devices to frame and reframe his stories, all the while creating these complex puzzles (plot) under the narrative. In essence, he tried and played to his best.

[Anonymous No.12420656]

anyone here reads web novels?
anything good beyond mother of learning? (Don't recommend wildbrow)

[Anonymous No.12420680]

>>12420656
That's pretty much a no. Mother of Learning is it. I've tried quite a few others and dropped all of them because they are all steaming piles of shit.
Haven't tried Savage divinity yet but I heard it's better than the usual so I'm planning on checking it out next.

[Anonymous No.12420706]

>>12419298
I've never been to this subreddit before, does everyone write like their stepdad just gave them a thesaurus?

[Anonymous No.12420765]

>>12420525
That’s when the story picks up though

[Anonymous No.12420802]

>>12419856
Getting laid is very easy, especially when the world is running down apocalypse style. I don't get why this young generation thinks attracting women is impossible. Severian doesn't even sleep with Agia. He's in a position of authority, as messed up as that seems to us, with the power of life and death over others in a culture that hangs on the precipice of that death, becoming obsessed with it. I like Severian because he isn't a weak sauce pussy like the generation I see rising up now. representation and feelings and wah no man could every possibly get laid or have women throw themselves at him. he must be lying. You all make me sick. the fecundity of the future is at stake here, and the drive for procreation in the face of an abyss, when the sun itself will give out. Who can engender life in that soulless void, and who can turn these eternal pansies who don't like Severian into men?

[Anonymous No.12420808]

>>12419856
Are you talking about Citadel of the Autarch or Urth of the New Sun?
Urth of the New Sun isn't as good as the rest.

Anyway you're not wrong about Severian. He's unlikeable, but that wasn't an accident by Gene Wolfe. The author very well knows Severian is not a likeable person. I have never understood what Gene Wolfe meant to do by making the World-Renewer such a person.

But they're still amazing books and you're dumb.

[Anonymous No.12420826]

>>12420651
that didn't make any good points, really. And to top it off ... to challenge Wolfe's puzzle aspects, the author chose to contrast him to Beckett's trilogy, which is a dirty joke in which the third volume is narrated by a dick which anthropomorphizes itself. So deep. so meaningful. Beckett wanted to pull a dirty gag on tools like that.

[Anonymous No.12420828]

>>12420802
What do boobs feel like?

[Anonymous No.12420833]

>>12420808
unlikeable to this weak generation of faux men.

[Anonymous No.12420839]

>>12420828
some are hefty, some are airy and light. women are different.

[Anonymous No.12420858]

>>12420839
>airy and light boobs

[Anonymous No.12420891]

>>12420828
Like bags of sand

[Anonymous No.12420905]

>>12420828
Feels like holding two books of Masters of Rome

[Anonymous No.12420931]

>>12420828
You'd have to ask a real woman.

[Anonymous No.12420952]

>>12420828
Rough and fluffy throughout the winter, but soft and downy in the summer months.

[Anonymous No.12421014]

>>12420905
Tits aren't that good

[Anonymous No.12421157]

Any books with a good female protag that aren't bad YA? Books with multiple POV don't count.

[Anonymous No.12421182]

I like Severian as a character.

[Anonymous No.12421184]

>>12421157
No

[Anonymous No.12421226]

>>12420651
I couldn't care less about Severian being "rapey" although that's a world I would've never used myself. I'm not trying to do some moral grandstanding about his attitude being reprehensible or some shit like that, the protagonist can be an immoral warlord and still be interesting and likable on the back of his bravado or whatever. Severian for me was just not "fun", Wolfe tried so hard to make him come out as cool and aloof but after book one (which admittedly did a good job setting him up) his whole characterization fell flat for me.

>>12420802
In my youth I was a flirtatious playboy afraid of intimacy and commitment, at the time I wrote down the post you are replying to, I've had a gf for the last 2 years, I find it hilarious that you think anyone's dislike for Severian could stem from felling jelly at the fact a fictional dork is bedding fictional wenches.

[Anonymous No.12421233]

>>12420192
here. The "Soulcatcher" was meant to be a response to the question about SFF crushes.

[Anonymous No.12421253]

>>12420828
To be perfectly honest, boobs don't feel that different from the floppy gut of an obese grape soda chugger, they just happen to be shaped in a really attractive, erotic, and comfortable shape.
"Almost" as if they were created with the idea of being garbed and squeezed.

[Anonymous No.12421280]

>>12420179
>Are we ever going to read something good?
Well, it isn't really up to me to decide.

[Anonymous No.12421302]

>>12419856
Severian isn't meant to be likeable. He might not even be as hot shit as he claims to be. You're pretty much correct when you say this is an edgy teenager's wet dream. I haven't read the series in a while but I do remember Severian being really obsessed with being a man in the first book, often claiming "yep, this made me a man, I'm a man at this moment, I reached manhood here, now that I'm a man" etc. Then towards the end he admits to trying to show off his sick moves to Dorcas when he accidently kills a guy. Childlike behavior like that should tell you a lot about the narrator.
I don't know which dialogs or dynamics you consider horrible, I thought they were fine. You just gotta remember that not only are you being lied to probably, but Wolfe is "translating" this journal that came from the future as well so the script isn't super accurate.

[Anonymous No.12421307]

>>12421157
Define 'good'. Define the genre. Define why you're even asking.

[Anonymous No.12421316]

>>12421226
>Wolfe tried so hard to make him come out as cool and aloof
He really didn't. You're reading Severian's failure of making himself cool and aloof.

[Anonymous No.12421324]

>>12421157

[Anonymous No.12421327]

>>12421226
There's lying, time travel, "reincarnations", a literal substance that imports hundreds of minds into your own, etc not to mention there's Severian the narrator and Severian the actor, and you call his character flat?
Okay.

Still, in a sense, you are somewhat correct. The narrative is a streamlined monotone version of shit that happened, all according to himself, and since life changing events are mostly out of the grasp of his understanding, he seems to purposely minimize the effects.

[Anonymous No.12421356]

>>12421302
>but Wolfe is "translating" this journal that came from the future as well so the script isn't super accurate.

I read this argument like 30 times, you can hate this piece of shit series, but you cant deny wolfe was a genius when in one simple paragraph of meta commentary, he managed to deflect so much criticism from people who were not able to think past this stupid excuse..

[Anonymous No.12421417]

lol looking at my goodreads I've read 4 books this year and haven't given a single one above 3 stars.
Two of them are actually pretty solid starts to series and I'm now reading two books which will probably rate higher but it's not the most optimistic of starts.

( They were Truthwitch (okay will probably read the sequel one day), Every Heart a Doorway (did not like this), The Last Sun (pretty fun, closest to going above 3 and I'm gonna read the sequel the moment it comes out) and The High Ground (when taken with the next book in the series it becomes good but not strong enough on its own)


>>12419280
>List all the books that didn't live up to their hype
Ignoring the obvious overhype jobs I'd say Abercrombie's First Law really stands out to me as not being anything special, I might read his later books one day but it just did nothing for me.
Neil Asher's similar but he's had less of a chance, I wasn't finding Gridlinked that interesting and I've kinda forgot to carry on reading it until the end.

Popular stuff I didn't like includes Brent Weeks, Wheel of Time, Malazan (will try again one day), Altered Carbon, The Magicians (grossman) and both main Jim Butcher series

[Anonymous No.12421431]

>>12421417
>this year
It's been 16 days dude. I haven't given over a 3 star rating in over 3 years.

[Anonymous No.12421436]

>>12421327
>all according to himself
And later in the book the hundreds of minds in his head desu.

[Anonymous No.12421502]

>>12421157
Merchant Princes - Stross
The Rook - O'Malley / Stiletto - O'Malley (two povs in this both female)
Silver on the Road - Gilman
Three Parts Dead - Max Gladstone (multiple books in the series with good female protags)
Kushiel's Dart - Carey
Shards of Honor + Barrayar - Bujold (amazing duology and iirc she uses a female protag again in a later book)
Empire Trilogy - Feist and Wurts
City of Stairs - Bennet (and one of the two sequels)
Bad Monkeys - Ruff
Godspeaker - Miller
Magister Trilogy - Friedman
Annihilation - Vandermeer
Traitor Baru + Monster Baru - Dickinson
Deed of Paks - Moon

And fuck you read Liveship Traders anyway because it has multiple great female povs

[Anonymous No.12421587]

>>12421302
>Severian is a man
If it's not clear to any who have already read the books, the story follows Severian the Boy who becomes Severian the Man who becomes Severian the King(Autarch) and if you include Urth of the New Sun, Severian the God. That progression should be clear to you, Gene Wolfe had that intent with Severian.

[Anonymous No.12421634]

Any books with a good doggy protag that aren't bad YA? Books with multiple POV don't count.

[Anonymous No.12421746]

>>12421157
The Scar

[Anonymous No.12421766]

>>12420680
Maybe in grammar, not so much in quality of story
Though the writer probably has vague timeline made for his story what keeps it coherent

[Anonymous No.12421769]

>>12421431
Read better books, anon

[Anonymous No.12421818]

>>12421634
see
>>12421324

[Anonymous No.12421920]

>>12421431
>>12421417
It's barely more half a month into 2019 and I've already given up on finding a book as enjoyable, funny and poignant as those Johannes Cabal books. I think it's nothing but 3* and 4* trash here on out. There's a very finite supply of 5* books and mango/animu.

[Anonymous No.12421927]

>>12421818
She's not a dog anon.

[Anonymous No.12422093]

>>12420118
I want to CUDDLE Tattersail

[Anonymous No.12422201]

[Anonymous No.12422210]

>>12419336
Man I actually studied in that place. Nice memories. Bergson taught there didn't he ?

[Anonymous No.12422242]

>>12412619
why did you kick me from the server? i havent even show up

[Anonymous No.12422536]

>>12419856
>To me, Severian was probably the most unlikable protagonist

One of the big reasons that BotNS is just a pleb filter is because Severian is neither an author self-insert nor a reader surrogate, nor a blank slate, unlike the vast majority of first-person narrators.

>Also, he fucks every woman character that gets a name

Nigger: the reason they have names, is BECAUSE SEVERIAN FUCKED THEM. Severian wrote the book. Do you get it? People "have names" because Severian has some reason to care about them. Sure, maybe he just fantasized about it. Maybe. On the other hand, he's a tall, muscular bad boy with a dark past who walks around everywhere with his shirt off to expose his jacked stereotypically aristocratic physique, executing people. Is it really so hard to believe he might not have a hard time getting laid?

Also, what you said isn't true. He didn't fuck the woman he executed, or the sick soldier they told stories to, or Agia, or Thecla's sister.

[Anonymous No.12422639]

Every time I hear some anon lamenting their decision to read the turd known as BOTNS, I feel justified in dropping that book 30 pages in. Clearly there are just as many shit books published by hacks that are labelled as classics as there are shit modern books churned out by """authors """ year after year.

[Anonymous No.12422758]

>>12422536
>or Agia
He didn't?
It's been a while since I read it, I was almost sure he did.

[Anonymous No.12422772]

>>12422758
her certainly didn't
his family cockblocked him

[Anonymous No.12422906]

>>12419280
Can you guys recommend me great horror books? Preferably anything in audio form or about zombies / some kind of apocalypse. I need listening material for the upcoming RE game.

[Anonymous No.12422921]

>>12419280
Rate my list

>Science fiction
http://ix.io/1yvH
>Fantasy
http://ix.io/1yvI
>Bonus: non genre
http://ix.io/1yvJ

[Anonymous No.12422924]

>>12422906
>>>/v/

[Anonymous No.12422925]

>>12422921
Did you read these or is this a TBR?

[Anonymous No.12422931]

>>12422925
I read a small portion, skimmed through most though

[Anonymous No.12422935]

>>12422931
I really need a better way to farm recs

[Anonymous No.12422950]

>>12422935
I went bonkers about getting the best out of literature. Just don't ask me how but I got with a list that is not bullshit (I got a list for the worst though).

[Anonymous No.12422967]

>>12422906
Goosebumps

[Anonymous No.12422972]

>>12422950
Blease share

[Anonymous No.12422975]

>>12422924
Im asking for horror books you fucking idiot.

[Anonymous No.12422983]

>>12422972
What?

[Anonymous No.12422992]

>>12422921
>*.webm
>*.mp4
cool books bro

[Anonymous No.12422994]

>>12422983
>new IP suggesting new person who apparently found the mythical golden sheep of booklists

[Anonymous No.12423003]

>>12422906
>>12422975
Check >>12422921
The fantasy list has a section of horror and a separate for ghosts and another for vampires. The vampire section is not all horror of course.

[Anonymous No.12423004]

Is there a similar chart for Ender's series?

[Anonymous No.12423017]

>>12423004
I read Ender's Game and was disappointed by how YA it was.

[Anonymous No.12423019]

>>12422992
>Ctrl+F
>webm: 1 found
>mp4: 1 found
Should I add more?

[Anonymous No.12423028]

>read that Jonathan Strange book
>get bored out of my mind from reading the somewhat overly verbose prose
>eventually the verbosity sputters out
Thank god for small miracles.

[Anonymous No.12423031]

>>12423019
My bad, there is more than one webm. They are cool 4chan sized clips though.

[Anonymous No.12423038]

>>12419856
maybe artemis fowl or Eragon is more your speed, chump

[Anonymous No.12423045]

>>12423038
This general has degenerated far past Artemis Fowl and Eragon with how many people like LitRPG and Capeshit

[Anonymous No.12423051]

>>12423031
be honest, how much did you read from that huge list?
which book resembles Hackers the most?

[Anonymous No.12423053]

>>12423045
*the number of people that

[Anonymous No.12423073]

>>12423051
Not much, but that movie in specific? "Stealing the Network" I think? Don't hate.

[Anonymous No.12423127]

anybody read A Head Full of Ghosts?

[Anonymous No.12423129]

>>12421157
I'll vouch for Shards of Honor/Barrayar. Rest of the series is mainly about the son of the protag in it, but a couple of the later books have his (future) wife as a viewpoint character/protaganist.

The second Curse of Challion book is also really good. I've been shilling the series for a while but basically the first book is about this minor nobleman who was betrayed and sold into slavery, but ends up surviving and becoming a courtly tutor to his former patron's granddaughter, as her mother had become mentally disturbed, and eventually saves the kingdom through a series of harrowing adventures. The sequel, Paladin of Souls, is about the mother going on a pilgrimage after the curse is lifted and her sanity (mostly) returns.

[Anonymous No.12423132]

>>12423004
"Ender's Game", "Speaker for the Dead", and "Xenocide" are the golden path.

[Anonymous No.12423134]

>>12422921
Rate my list anon.

[Anonymous No.12423139]

>>12422906
I've heard the Resident Evil novels by S. D. Perry are actually pretty good.

[Anonymous No.12423160]

>>12423134
Jesus man, I genuinely don't know a like a half or more of those, the rest I have put them in a different category

[Anonymous No.12423180]

>>12423134
how's the necromancer one?

[Anonymous No.12423183]

>>12423045
But cape and lit shit arw fun to read. After you reach 1500 books read traditional publishing works all seem the same.

[Anonymous No.12423198]

>>12423017
>>12423132
Thanks, friends.

[Anonymous No.12423203]

>>12423180
Cabal? It's mostly British humor, so if you're a stuffy Americlap who gets butthurt over those things ignore it. Other than that it took me a while to fall in love with the series. The author does plenty things to rub me the wrong way.

[Anonymous No.12423209]

>>12423134
Well, here's my take on some of what we have in common. The ones that aren't named here I wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole or unless I'm actually stuck on a fucking dead planet with nothing to read.

GOAT:
Roadside Picnic
Johannes Cabal
Black Sun Rising
A Shadow in Summer
Lord of Light

ENTERTAINING:
The Shadow of What was Lost
The Lies of Locke Lamora (Every book is worse than the third but one )
The Dying Earth
The Black Prism (The Blood Mirror is a huge disappointment)
Words of Radiance (Third book is shit)

AVERAGE:
The Time Machine
Promise of Blood

SHIT:
Bakker
Maximum Ride (I only enjoyed this when I was 10 years old)
The Waking Fire (sequels are total shit)
The Magicians
Seveneves
Red Rising (the sequels are slightly better but still shit)

>>12423180
Cabal is a very funny and slightly amoral protagonist but if you are the person looking for some actual horror you aren't going to find it anywhere in those books even though there is undead a plenty in those books. Fforde writes with far more black humour (Shades of Grey and Early Riser are great) and Vonnegut (which I read Cat's Cradle and Slaughterhouse-Five from) has a bit more than Jonathan L. Howard. Cabal's author has some really nice prose.

[Anonymous No.12423214]

>>12422921
Rate this one too.

[Anonymous No.12423220]

Why do you guys hang to the YA buzzword? If is good character development then "coming of age" is a better theme, and if is dry it doesn't deserve attention.

>>12423017
I find it good YA at least, subsequent books are more complex.

[Anonymous No.12423237]

>>12423209
>(The Blood Mirror is a huge disappointment)
you don't have to tell me.

[Anonymous No.12423249]

>>12423203
Not him but really? I fell in love with those Cabal books instantly (although I was a bit worried by the first one because it seemed that the books didn't convey a good sense of geographic scale and felt very small but later on that improved a lot). And I enjoyed it practically instantly, while stories like The Master and Margarita took a while to get into.

>>12423220
I'm a very fussy reader and to me Enders felt very small in scale, the premise a little unrealistic, the characters a little unrefined and the setting felt undeveloped.

[Anonymous No.12423255]

>>12423214
Wow. I've always seen people say that the captcha ate their image, but this is the first time it happened to me.
>>12422921
Rate pic related.

[Anonymous No.12423265]

>>12423249
>I'm a very fussy reader and to me Enders felt very small in scale, the premise a little unrealistic, the characters a little unrefined and the setting felt undeveloped.
Wow, just wow, nothing more different than how I felt. I know a girl who would have a fight with you for saying Ender's was "small, unrefined and unrealistic".

[Anonymous No.12423279]

>>12423255
I don't know man, I would rescue Gaiman, Sanderson and Martin from the fantasy section, the science fiction however looks patrician at first sight.

[Anonymous No.12423311]

>>12423265
People probably have different tastes.
They might eventually decide that they don't like it later on.
Some people probably also think that the books that they love are good, but if they realised that the internet lets you read basically any book you want, they might change their mind.

[Anonymous No.12423325]

>>12423311
Probably right. I mean, the girl was a teen, btw she disliked Dune which I thought was weird.

[Anonymous No.12423361]

>>12423325
I would have thought that a person who enjoyed Ender's Game would also like Dune. I guess trying to figure out a particular pattern to people's likes is probably futile.

[Anonymous No.12423408]

I am off to read a book before to bed but wanted to ask you guys, have you seen something weird in Goodreads reviews? I mean, you can't trust reviews to match popularity but these days (couple of years actually) the thing went crazy, like, the conflicting reviews went nuts (if you spent enough time to watch the reviews you know what I mean). When I was making the list I suffered with this insanity, couldn't trust reviews or popularity anymore. Had to check historical importance and genuine reviews with long long explanations, then I had to at least speed read the books (not fun, I tell you). This is why I don't trust big book lists except mine.

Anyway, those are my two cents about book reviews. Hope some solution is in the near future.

[Anonymous No.12423474]

>>12421587
Thanks for the spoiler tags, asshat.

[Anonymous No.12423482]

>>12423127
Yeah. I thought it was entertaining but nothing more.

[Anonymous No.12423488]

>>12423408
Reviewers compete to get ARCs which are published months upon months in advance of the actual book by showing publishers things like their blogs etc.

If a publisher is obviously giving a person an ARC then that person will obviously want to keep getting them. Just imagine how good it is to be able to read a book months and months in advance for free and obviously the best way to get them is to ingratiate yourself with the publisher and rate them 5 stars. Although publishers ask for an honest review, I think that ARC reviewers are pressured into giving them 5 stars in the fear that they might not be able to get more ARCs if they rate them badly and they might make the mistake of requesting a shit book and still rating it highly because who gives a shit, it's not affecting them.

Additionally:
It's also very difficult to find ARCs to download and requesting them is banned on most sites. Obviously, there are very few ARCs that are given to people and it's probably much easier to identify and so people are less inclined to upload them. The only ARC which I saw uploaded recently and which I actually wanted to read was the Winter of the Witch, for example but that was one of many, many books that I want to read.

This is why most reviews fucking suck. If you see the disclaimer 'and I got an ARC from....' you can instantly ignore the reviewer as they are probably dicksucking. I think that reddit accounts and tumblr accounts also count towards applying for an ARC, so long as you have a sufficient number of followers. Same goes for booktubing and shit. Also getting to interact with actual authors makes people shill them more which is why you should be very mindful of what you read on reddit. There are probably also paid shills on top of "buying good reviews by plying people with ARCs" and friends/rabid fans of the writer.

Also you have to realise that plenty of people who review books probably don't know you can get them for free (which is a good thing since it keeps the authors writing them) and so they aren't likely to be widely read and might not even know what a good book looks like.

Furthermore, if you rate a book badly on Goodreads it will still shove shit rated authors into your new releases page which is why I never rate books below 3* to keep them from polluting my new releases date page and other people probably do the same. I also tend to rate/review books highly if I don't think the book would otherwise get a sequel as those publishing shits have been known to pull out series from underneath authors in the past which contributes to shit books getting high ratings. Also, very few people move onto the next book in the series unless they are dedicated or know how to download books for free because reading takes time and can be quite costly. Also many reviewers are literally children.

There are many reasons why you should not trust reviews. Also people who have buyers remorse might want to justify it by finding something good.

[Anonymous No.12423577]

>>12423038
on the contrary, I very much err on the side hard sci-fi like stanislaw lem and such.

[Anonymous No.12423871]

>>12421634
A Night in the Lonesome October.

[Anonymous No.12423881]

>>12423220
YA mean much more than just coming of age and is a good term to describe a certain kind of book.

[Anonymous No.12423902]

>>12423881
shut the fuck up, cuckold

[Anonymous No.12423977]

>>12423237
Glad I'm not the only one, I lost interest completely about 150 pages in

[Anonymous No.12424011]

>>12423237
>>12423977
The Burning White will probably be better. As for the Blood Mirror, the latter 25% is worth reading if you aren't dropping the series altogether.

However, I do hope that Gavin won't spend 99% of the next book wondering through dreams and doubting his sanity or something as any author who isn't PKD or Fforde seems to do a particularly poor and agonising job of it.

[Anonymous No.12424100]

Which of the last five Malazan books are dull and drag on? Are any of them as good as Midnight Tides is?

[Anonymous No.12424154]

>>12419856
Absolutely based post. Daily reminder that this is what Wolfe's prose looks like.

[Anonymous No.12424159]

>>12424100
All of them

[Anonymous No.12424242]

>>12424154
Gene Wolfe is based and mechanical engineering pilled, you just can't handle it

[Anonymous No.12424250]

>>12424242

[Anonymous No.12424284]

>>12421769
Like what? BOTNS is one of the 3 stars before you meme that one.

[Anonymous No.12424535]

fantasy and science fiction were a mistake

[Anonymous No.12424568]

>>12424535
so were you bitch

[Anonymous No.12424579]

>>12424568
not true, my parents had been married for several years and I was a planned baby

[Anonymous No.12424587]

>>12424579
thats what they tell you

[Anonymous No.12424604]

>>12424579
They could hardly tell you the truth. If you killed yourself after finding out about the apology letter from the abortion clinic it would make your parents look bad so they pretend they love you.

[Anonymous No.12424607]

>>12424587
>>12424604
shut up shut up SHUT UP

[Anonymous No.12424701]

>>12424154
Have you opened gravity’s rainbow or finnegans wake? You might find someone eating a turd, a string of hjihgdyhjjufvj all long phat cumming here everywhen, a giant nose, no characterization, or a fucking cheesy musical with a hackneyed theme. Cherry picking a passage doesn’t mean shit. Peace is a great book.

[Anonymous No.12424728]

>>12419315
holy kek

[Anonymous No.12424741]

>>12424242
It’s true. These critics simply reveal mankind has already reach its apex and descended to functional redundancy if not brain death

[Anonymous No.12424747]

>They reached a glory hole, entering it at the lowest level

[Anonymous No.12424757]

>>12424728
what is so funny about that, bitch?

[Anonymous No.12424771]

>>12420118
I want Molly Millions to kiss me on the fucking mouth & make me face my fears.

[Anonymous No.12424845]

>>12424579
>>12424607
How many applies to you?

[Anonymous No.12424846]

Is there any fantasy which one might call postmodern? thanks

[Anonymous No.12424859]

>>12424846
Those two books which /lit/ published.

[Anonymous No.12424861]

this is all im looking for in a fantasy, fantastic read

[Anonymous No.12424882]

>>12424846
Mistborn is what you want. Brandon Sanderson even wrote an essay on the subject. https://whatever.scalzi.com/2010/09/12/postmodernism-in-fantasy-an-essay-by-brandon-sanderson/

[Anonymous No.12424895]

>>12424861
You can always just take Ambien instead anon.

[Anonymous No.12424897]

>>12424861
The two authors that /sffg/ never discusses is that guy and the Sword of Truth dude probably because they are shit or boring.

[Anonymous No.12424901]

>>12424845
10/12

[Anonymous No.12424919]

>>12420118
T'sais

[Anonymous No.12424962]

>>12424897
Feist is pretty fine up to the end of the Serpentwar Saga.

Conclave of Shadows trilogy is basically Counte of Monte Cristo rehashed badly, and pretty much everything after is crap.

His Empire trilogy with Janny Wurts was fantastic.

[Anonymous No.12424980]

>>12424897
>authors that /sffg/ never discusses are shit or boring.

[Anonymous No.12424989]

>>12424846
Lord of Light

[Anonymous No.12424990]

>>12424897
it's on OP chart, /sffg/ approved

[Anonymous No.12424991]

>>12424962
> His Empire trilogy with Janny Wurts was fantastic.
This though the rumour is Wurts wrote most of it.

[lactiferousducKs No.12424994]

>>12422210

ye

[Anonymous No.12424996]

>>12424846
My diary desu

[Anonymous No.12425001]

>>12424897
> Sword of Truth
> shit or boring
That series becomes much much worse than that.

[Anonymous No.12425150]

>>12424882
This is hilarious in so many ways. Sanderson obviously does not know what postmodernism is (which he actually admit in the beginning of the essay) but decide to write an essay on the subject anyway. And then there's the fact that one of the most generic active genre writers write an essay on deconstructing the genre. And my favourite part of the essay, praising The Name of the Wind for NOT being cliché.

[Anonymous No.12425152]

>>12424100
Please respond.

[Anonymous No.12425162]

>>12425152
reddit.com/r/fantasy

[Anonymous No.12425179]

The Stormlight Archive series changed my life
I used to be down in the dumps, like Kaladin was as a bridgeman. Reading about his ascent inspired me greatly, now my life is far better. God bless Brandy Sanderson.

[Anonymous No.12425185]

>>12420802
You need Looks, Money, Status to pull women.

[Anonymous No.12425201]

how is laurie a boys name?

[Anonymous No.12425221]

>>12425185
poor you

[Anonymous No.12425277]

Anyone else reading Throne of Glass?

[Anonymous No.12425291]

>>12425277
elevator pitch me on this!
What is it about, and what makes it unique?

[Anonymous No.12425300]

>>12422242
he didn't kick you, he deleted the whole server

[Anonymous No.12425319]

>>12425291
its a chick that is the chosen one and fucks around with a bunch of guys barely after meeting them. also lesbianism and not-niggers and not-asians.

[Anonymous No.12425391]

>>12425150

His description of deconstruction was fairly awful. It's not like Deleuze or Derrida was particularly clear (black and white infinities anyone) but he also says in the same essay he has an MA in English. You would expect him to know.

[Anonymous No.12425473]

>>12425221
*to pull quality women with ease
keep coping if you believe otherwise.

[Anonymous No.12425483]

>>12425319
Looks garbage desu.

[Anonymous No.12425497]

>>12425483
it is.
posting about it just a meme to trick people into reading it.

[Anonymous No.12425504]

>>12425391
>tfw current wow disc priest healer.
this is how healers should be.

[Anonymous No.12425570]

>>12425497
based

[Anonymous No.12425579]

Name your top 5 fantasy series, lads
in no particular order
>the first blade trilogy
>LOTR trilogy
>Stormlight Archives
I would have included Rothfuss, GRRM and Lynch but they won't write any more books so fuck em.

[Anonymous No.12425581]

>>12425497
I mean if someone is stupid enough to fall for something that is so obviously awful then they completely deserve it.

[Anonymous No.12425601]

>>12425579
Not sure if bait...

[Anonymous No.12425604]

>>12425221
You think an undiseased female who slept with less than 5 guys would just hand you the pussy if you're ugly, neet, and living in your parent's basement at 30? Females require money to give you access to the pussy, whether it's a prostitute taking straight cash, or drugs you purchased with cash, or the booze / food you spent money on at the bar / restaurant.

Pussy ain't cheap you always pay for it. Especially in this day and age, where a female could get rich by openly sleeping around.

[Anonymous No.12425615]

>>12425579
harry pot
the lion, the wench, and the war
artemis foul
series of unfortunate event
delta quest
bonus: wheel time

[Anonymous No.12425628]

>>12425601
you have my sincerest apologies for having poor taste

[Anonymous No.12425635]

>>12425628
its O K anon
not every one can have great tastes like us
we are a pair of taste buds

[Anonymous No.12425646]

>>12425319
You're just pulling shit out of your ass.
You haven't even read a single one of those books.

>>12425291
It's not unique, it's just a very good series like Mistborn is.

[Anonymous No.12425661]

>>12425646
i wont read it if she goes whoring around in the book

[Anonymous No.12425662]

>>12424154
Peace is better than anything you've ever read. I guarantee it.

[Anonymous No.12425664]

>>12419295
This is such a weird mindset that people have.
I read, understood, and enjoyed them my first time through. Is the
>it's so complicated
Mindset just propagated by zoomers from /a/ reading BotNS as their first "real" book because it gets memed so much?
It's a pretty quick, enjoyable, and straightforward read unless your IQ is in the double digits I guess

[Anonymous No.12425732]

>>12425661
She doesn't.

[Anonymous No.12425770]

>Malazan is complicated
lmao

[Anonymous No.12425848]

>>12425770
who's this malnourished martian of which i wish to spunk

[Anonymous No.12425876]

>Really enjoy Wheel of Time's side characters
>Really don't enjoy Wheel of Time's main characters
What do?

[Anonymous No.12425894]

>>12425579
Throne of Glass
Masters of Rome
Chronicles of Amber
A Court of Thrones and Roses
BotNS

[Anonymous No.12425903]

The dream chooses the dreamer, not the other way around—and Lazlo Strange, war orphan and junior librarian, has always feared that his dream chose poorly. Since he was five years old he’s been obsessed with the mythic lost city of Weep, but it would take someone bolder than he to cross half the world in search of it. Then a stunning opportunity presents itself, in the person of a hero called the Godslayer and a band of legendary warriors, and he has to seize his chance or lose his dream forever.

What happened in Weep two hundred years ago to cut it off from the rest of the world? What exactly did the Godslayer slay that went by the name of god? And what is the mysterious problem he now seeks help in solving?

The answers await in Weep, but so do more mysteries—including the blue-skinned goddess who appears in Lazlo’s dreams. How did he dream her before he knew she existed? And if all the gods are dead, why does she seem so real?

[Anonymous No.12425910]

>>12425635
owo uwu

[Anonymous No.12425938]

>>12423474
If you couldn't pick up on this from context in literally the first 100 pages you don't belong on here.

[Anonymous No.12425994]

>>12425903
>YA
but the reviews are very convincing, anyone here already read this?

[Anonymous No.12425998]

>>12424845

[Anonymous No.12426007]

>>12425579
Pretty patrician.

>LOTR
>BotNS
>asoiaf
>Does Hyperion count?
>Stormlight -Shallan

[Anonymous No.12426042]

>>12426007
Disgusting

[Anonymous No.12426098]

>>12426042
Post your list then faggot.

[Anonymous No.12426137]

>>12426042
To be fair, I haven't read much fantasy besides those series so there might be stuff that's considerably better out there, although i doubt it.

[Anonymous No.12426156]

>>12426137
He's just being contrarian, like all of 4channel. It's the same on /lit/, /v/, /tv/, /g/, everywhere.

[Anonymous No.12426179]

>>12425894
>every shit meme from the past 3 years

[Anonymous No.12426204]

>>12425579
I don't really do top lists well and am not a fantasy connoisseur, but here we go:
LOTR
Malazan
Chronicles of Thomas Covenant
Enchanted Forest Chronicles
Cugel's Saga

[Anonymous No.12426233]

Author's note: Sorry, I have been feeling somewhat frustrated lately because some of my family members have been pestering me to find a girlfriend and get married quickly. Because of that, my creativity and mentality might have been affected somewhat. This author will try to readjust his mental state as quickly as possible. Thank you, everyone, for your support. I'm grateful that I can have you guys to accompany me all this time.

[Anonymous No.12426240]

>>12426233
you just can't post shit like that without a source my dude.

[Anonymous No.12426275]

>>12425579
Is there a book club I'm missing? Everyone around here seems to read the same shit that are mentioned over and over.

>Blood Song
>Rook
>Vorkosigan series(minus the romance books)
>Gods of Blood and Powder series
>Liveship Traders

Honorary mention: The Curse of Chalion

[Anonymous No.12426277]

>>12426240
I can imagine someone like Lynch wrote it
that guy's a turbo cuck.

[Anonymous No.12426315]

>>12426275
I also notice. Maybe they are in Goodreads or booktube?

[Anonymous No.12426328]

>>12426275
>says the guy who has 3 redditcore books

[Anonymous No.12426365]

>>12426275
yeah, there's another book club forum where everyone shills the same books
but they're the best ones of this century so it's alright.

[Anonymous No.12426385]

>>12426365
Who? How can you be sure is not a hugbox?

[Anonymous No.12426428]

>>12426385
It's on a right wing forum, I never saw any safe space bullshit there.

[Anonymous No.12426446]

>>12426428
But what's the name?
>I never saw any safe space bullshit there
Are you really sure? Because we spotted them already.

[Anonymous No.12426479]

>>12426428
Is this a safe space? I don't think so, it's just been infiltrated by Sanderson and Abercrombie fags all of whom need to fuck off desu.
I didn't imagine a day would come when some mouth breather unironically mentions Sanderson, Abercrombie and Rothfuss in his top 5 post here and nobody gives him shit for it. Rip /sffg/

[Anonymous No.12426490]

>>12426479
Still not as bad as the guys mentioning Wolfe and LOTR.

[Anonymous No.12426523]

>>12426490
The fuck are you talking about, how do you even compare them?
I have no love for Botns (I'm the op), yes seeing them shilled all the time can get a bit tiresome but Botns and Lotr are nowhere near as fucking bad as Sanderson's anime bullshit, Rothfuss' neckbeard Twilight and Abercrombie's grimderp garbage. Relatively speaking they're bonafide masterpieces.

[Anonymous No.12426538]

So, where is this forum? The other posts aren't mine so i wanted to ask again before you go.

[Anonymous No.12426548]

>>12426538
Not that person but I think he's talking about novanon. Don't get your hopes up, it's not that great of a place.

[Anonymous No.12426563]

>>12426548
At least I'll see if is a hugbox or not, it affects /sffg/. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.12426601]

Any good obscure dystopians or apocalypse?

[Anonymous No.12426629]

>>12426601
I loved Metro 2033. The translation is not the best but the book is still great.

[Anonymous No.12426641]

>>12426629
Anon, I'm crying.

[Anonymous No.12426651]

>>12426479
You must be a real joy to be around.

[Anonymous No.12426657]

>>12426563
It's the 52 books in 52 weeks threads on the misc subforum of bodybuilding.com.

[Anonymous No.12426662]

>>12426641
That's nice anon. Care to elaborate?

[Anonymous No.12426666]

>>12426662
Sad story. Nukes.

[Anonymous No.12426668]

>>12426657
so it's like /fit/ made a book list? Goodness...

[Anonymous No.12426677]

>>12426479
Hey newfag. This general has been around for about 5 years. Sanderson and abercrombie were here from the get go. Nothing is going to change that. You need to fuck off to your safespace (((forum))) if you don't like it.

[Anonymous No.12426683]

>>12426666
oh, I get it now. Yeah, that book gave me the feels as well. The game was nice too.

[Anonymous No.12426691]

>>12426523
>I have no love for Botns
>they're bonafide masterpieces
lol you're one of the cocksuckers. lotr is slow outdated trite and botns has no value to it other than pretentious young adults jacking off over how smart they are for liking it

[Anonymous No.12426696]

>>12426479
Based

[Anonymous No.12426698]

>>12426677
That's right, Sanderson is a treasure and if anyone can't see the Kaladin chapters for the treasures that they are then they're just beyond hope.

[Anonymous No.12426715]

>>12426698
Don't try to be cute. All I was saying is that shitting on people for reading fantasy is outer lit's job. This general has always been about reading what gives you enjoyment. You might like shit, but it's not affecting other posters.

[Anonymous No.12426717]

>based sanderfag a hack anon stops for a few months
>(((they))) take over

[Anonymous No.12426725]

>>12425579
LOTR, including Hobbit and Silmarillion
BOTNS (and omitting Urth of the New Sun)

I can't think of anything else. Stormlight is shit. I hate the fantasy genre in general I think.
Ah, Song of Ice and Fire has been okay.
And I haven't finished it but The WizardKnight has been very interesting so far, but since I'm not finished it can easily turn into trash.

[Anonymous No.12426769]

>>12426275
>Vorkosigan series(specially the romance books)
fixed

[Anonymous No.12426772]

>>12425615
Based and redditpilled

[Anonymous No.12426816]

>>12426725
Read any Sapkowski? The Witcher short stories are pretty great, especially if you can read them untranslated.

[Anonymous No.12426837]

>>12426717
>(((they)))
>another newfag
This general has always been filled with a vocal minority decrying everything they don't like. People that actually read just stay quiet, because it would be too much energy to argue with you and your fellow loud mouth posters.

Just because people don't object when you open your mouth, it doesn't mean they agree.

[Anonymous No.12426845]

Everybody is just reading the same books from publishing houses.

[Anonymous No.12426863]

>>12426816
Go back to /v/

[Anonymous No.12426867]

>>12426863
Go back to /outerlit/

[Anonymous No.12426880]

>>12426837
>If I keep saying newfag they won't notice me
neck yourself

[Anonymous No.12426995]

>>12426837
>People that actually read just stay quiet, because it would be too much energy to argue with you and your fellow loud mouth posters.
It wouldn't surprise me at this point if the litrpg fags are the only ones who actually like books at this point.

[Anonymous No.12427022]

>>12426880
>using my own meme against me
Is this what it means to go full circle? I accused people of redshit all my lit life, now I am being called reddite.

[Anonymous No.12427029]

>>12426995
I read and liked Masters of Rome.

[Anonymous No.12427052]

>>12425732
>t. cumming loudly

[Anonymous No.12427065]

>>12426769
Oh god I will never forget that scene in "A Civil Campaign" where, during the great dinner, the geneticists breaks out the "special" cockroaches he designed as a present for Lord Vorkosigan. I dont think a scne in a book has ever made me laugh as hard before or since.

[Anonymous No.12427149]

>>12424846
There's fucking loads and that's even after skipping all the deconstructionist takes and stuff like BOTNS which doesn't really fit the genre.

Hell Discworld is one of the most famous fantasy series ever and that's its whole gimmick.

If you want more literary postmodernism Small Things by Alasdair Gray is a great postmodern frankenstein story.

[Anonymous No.12427189]

>>12425579

Favorites:
>Earthsea
>Tales of the Dying Earth

post keeps getting flagged as spam, going to break it up here

>The Gods of Pegana (if short stories count)
>Ratcatchers (although this will never get finished)
>Tales of the Otori was my teenage favorite, I would probably think it edgy now though.

[Anonymous No.12427290]

What's your favorite audacity kino?

I mean a book where you had to put it down and certain points and just wonder how the fuck the author even conceived of a certain scene or plot point and had the audacity to put it down on paper.

My favorites are Bakker's Second Apocalypse for the
>futa demon incest mom
and other sundry penis monsters, rapes, and cuckoldries.

And Stephen King's Dark Tower for
>random racebaiting
>reverse icicle-demon rape
>race transformation spider baby pregnancy
And all other various forms of retarded shit.

These are genuinely some of my favorite kind of books, as they leave me absolutely floored.

[Anonymous No.12427333]

>>12427290
>how the fuck the author even conceived of a certain scene or plot point
Cocaine. It's always drug based.

[Anonymous No.12427447]

>>12426715
>muh fun
>muh contrarians
>muh dinosaurs
>muh you people don't read
Shitting on people for reading bad stuff is certainly our job. It's self moderation that make sure that actual quality works can be discussed without being drowned in drooling idiots spamming about Rothfuss, Abercrombie, Butcher, Sanderson and whatever other generic hacks are currently considered hot shit by the masses.

[Anonymous No.12427477]

>>12425579
BotNS (if allowed as fantasy)
LotR
Gormenghast (third book is meh)
Earthsea
Discworld

[Anonymous No.12427491]

How are the sequels to Sabriel?

[Anonymous No.12427618]

>>12427290
The male pregnancy scene (humans get impregnated by dragons by having dragon venom and blood dripped into their mouthes) in the Obsidian chronicles when the newborn dragon comes out of the guy's heart and resembles the character it came out of.

[Anonymous No.12427648]

>>12426601
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/27219742-the-doomed-city

[Anonymous No.12427654]

>>12426863
>implying i played the game.

[Anonymous No.12427778]

>>12427290
kind of related. for the original incarnation of the xenomorph there were no designs for the queen or eggs with facehuggers. the tail of a xenomorph would be basically a giant dick that raped female pray and impregnated them with the aliens who would then be birthed by the host. giger basically wanted the xenomorphs to be massraping spacebuggs with huge dong tails. ridley scott found that to be too extreme to be portrayed in movies though so the facehuggers happened as an alternative. they still basically rape their victims but its less graphic and can be seen as parasitic behavior rather than rape. in some of the comics the subject matter comes up though. i remember in one there was a hive without a queen so the xenomorphs tried to genetically alter humans to be able to give birth to xenomorphs. i also belive there was a book about a human-xeno hybrid not unlike the fourth movie.

[Anonymous No.12427854]

>>12427447
hey now dinosaurs are absolute kino

[Anonymous No.12427982]

>>12423132
This

[Anonymous No.12427996]

Fantasy is DUMB because we can’t imagine any world that isn’t governed by SPACE or TIME

Sci fi best genre

[Anonymous No.12428031]

>>12427996
This

[Anonymous No.12428161]

>>12427996
Scifantasy > Scifi > Fantasy

[Anonymous No.12428225]

Started slogging through the Dragonbone Chair and gave up about 1/4 through it

stop giving me stupid recommendations you jerks

[Anonymous No.12428237]

>>12428225
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/91981.The_Dragonbone_Chair

It doesn't even manage to get 4 stars on goodreads and the only books that score that low there are either horrible or too cerebral for those mongoloids

[Anonymous No.12428241]

>>12428161
my dark brother

[Anonymous No.12428313]

>>12428237
It's neither. It's one of the best fantasy novels but even most fans would say it does have some pacing problems. Tad sure does like to write a thousand words when a few hundred would do.

[Anonymous No.12428559]

>>12419280
>>108644148
Lovecraft cheat sheet

[Anonymous No.12428705]

>>12428237
>goodreads bad
>4chan good
look, we've got connoisseur here

[Anonymous No.12428757]

I've read quite a lot of space sci-fi - Vinge, Watts, Reynolds, Simmons, Corey, Banks, etc.

But is there really nothing similar to Dead Space type of infection, horror / body horror? Leviathan Wakes has a bit similar theme with protomolecule but not quite the same and those books are mostly about politics anyway, not to mention that they are quite weak and feel like a TV show scenario which is, obviously, already happened.

Anything else, anyone knows any good space horrors like Dead Space?

[Anonymous No.12428794]

>>12428757
Hull zero three

[Anonymous No.12428811]

>>12428757
Hull Zero Three for the "stuck on a ship with monsters" type thing
Blindsight as well if you haven't already but you said Watts so I assume you have
Blood Music

[Anonymous No.12428898]

>>12427491
Good from what I remember

[Anonymous No.12428904]

>>12428757
Tsutomu Nihei's Abara and Biomega might strike your fancy.

I've had Elizabeth Bear's "Jacob's Ladder" and Kameron Hurley's "Stars are Legion" recommended to me when I asked for biohorror-themed SF in the past, so you might check those out too.

[Anonymous No.12428911]

>>12428237
the book with the highest average rating out of all of the ones in my goodreads library is The Wise Man's Fear whilst like 5 of my favourite books are below 4

[Anonymous No.12428933]

>>12428904
Finished Biomega and Blame last year, however didn't start Abara or Sidonia yet.

You can try to read Revelation Space by Reynolds, there's some kind of a spreading infection on Nostalgia for Infinity ship with the Melding Plague.

[Anonymous No.12428975]

>>12420231

[Anonymous No.12428978]

Trying to find a short story I read part of a while back on a online magazine, basic premise was there's this woman running a underground printing press in a pseduo-steampunk setting, she's looking for her friend who is some scholar on the run from The Authority and has disappeared, but one day the friend turns back up while the narrator is delivering underground newspapers to a brothel or something and a fight breaks out because a Authority agent follows her. I think the friend had partially cyborgized herself or at least had prosthetic hands?

[Anonymous No.12429004]

>>12428975
I thought this was a bad edit at first. Now I'm only suspicious that it is.

[Anonymous No.12429011]

>>12429004
Go to the website. It's also on Rothfuss's twitter. It's 100% legit, he really is that big of a degenerate.

[Anonymous No.12429024]

>>12429004
>not recognising that its The Cuck Comic woman from the style
this is sensible for them lol

[Anonymous No.12429027]

>>12425579
I really like the first 5 books of the Malazan series, then it just starts to get way too cluttered for it's own good and becomes obvious he just wants to write about Karsa but doesn't know what to do with the rest of the characters.

[Anonymous No.12429050]

>>12429024
Oh, I was familiar with that comic before the cuck strip got memed. I just didn't know they got Rothfuss as a guest.

[Anonymous No.12429052]

>Having recently finished with Sanderson's Mistborn trilogy (grimdark with a little dose of grimdark, adding some grimdark on the top) i was looking for something lighter to read.

actual goodreads review I just encountered lol

[Anonymous No.12429076]

>>12429052
Goodreads users list anything remotely fantasy as "sword and sorcery" and a good number of historical fiction lists contain Game of Thrones.

[Anonymous No.12429097]

>Using goodreads as anything other than an online bookshelf/tracker

[Anonymous No.12429112]

I need a raise...

>>12429108
>>12429108
>>12429108
>>12429108
>>12429108

[Anonymous No.12429382]

>>12420118
Haven't read much, but I'm constantly undone by PKD's "dark haired woman" archetype IRL. Dorcas is my /sff/fu. When I was a kid, my dad read me a story about some leper raping a princess, and then the woman married him(???). Sounded pretty hot, desu.

[Anonymous No.12429688]

>>12420118
Molly Carpenter Dresden Files

[Anonymous No.12429697]

>>12421157
Practical Guide to Evil, while it is multiple PoV 80% is from One PoV

[Anonymous No.12430152]

>>12425579
Rigante
Macht
Powder Mage
Black Company
Ties that Bind

[Anonymous No.12430599]

>>12430152
Isn't Black Company incomplete? I thought the author wasn't gonna finish it.