/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.12378062]

Any good books on why Americans are so scared of the big gubmint?

[Anonymous No.12378064]

>>12378062
why aren't you scared anon?

[Anonymous No.12378068]

I mean we have like one of the most powerful ones in the world

[Anonymous No.12378085]

>>12378064
>>12378068
So?
The gubmint isn't after you.

[Anonymous No.12378117]

Past a certain point there's an antagonistic relationship between government and individual liberty.

Individual liberty — which, since America's rise, has become the status quo of the western world — has lead to a massive increase in quality of life. The benefits speak for themselves.

[Anonymous No.12378134]

>>12378117
This.

>>12378062
Do you think the government has stopped collecting taxes, or that Congress is going without pay, during this "shutdown"?

Read Bernays' Propaganda. Or Kalergi's Practical Idealism, which was the inspiration for a united Europe at the cost of their own sovereignty.

[Anonymous No.12378139]

>>12378117
This sounds smart but means nothing.

[Anonymous No.12378151]

>>12378117
fatty piggie boy you going to work. Yes. YES, work with the sun that will burn, and blister your pink flesh.
"But I want my milky! I want my gamebox! I want my prostate vibrator! I CAN'T SURVIVE MISTER!"
:)

[Anonymous No.12378163]

>>12378117
To give an example, look at health care (at least here)

We have doctors that never use 99% of what they learn in school yet need to charge patients a cost that pays for and justifies their education.
It doesn't take much training at all to give stitches / apply the skin adhesive (and to recognize a problem where a doctor may be necessary), yet we're forced to go to overpriced hospitals to legally get that treatment. It's inefficient. Practically everything the government is involved in is seriously inefficient. This is because it limits what would otherwise be free market innovation.

Big government is unnecessary at best, oppressive at worst.

[Anonymous No.12378173]

>>12378085
They may not be now (they definitely are, but for the sake of argument) but they could decide to in the very near future. And with the infrastructure that is in place and with a complacent populace such as yourself, there would be nothing to protect us and they would effortlessly crush us in minutes. Fag.

[Anonymous No.12378204]

>>12378117
>>12378134
>>12378163
>hey buddy, big gubmint bad. freedumbs good! I'm a good christian and luv me cuntry. GO USA, MAGA!!!
>>12378173
Why would the government care about you, a loser that wanks off to cartoon girls?

[Anonymous No.12378205]

>>12378163
You are describing issues with capitalism, not government.

The doctor doesn't decide what they charge, the board of directors and accountants do.

In many parts of the country, not only is it possible to find non-doctors to perform these tasks you are describing, it is actually IMPOSSIBLE to find a doctor to do them.

Your personal lived experience is not a barometer of average or normal, it is only yours.

[Anonymous No.12378215]

>>12378085
ok

[Anonymous No.12378216]

>>12378062

[Anonymous No.12378218]

>>12378062
honestly the rest of the world should be more afraid of big government in america than americans are. if you think america has its boot on the throat of the world now, imagine if all that power was centralized under retarded mutt politicians obsessed with moral crusades.

[Anonymous No.12378224]

>>12378204
>>hey buddy, big gubmint bad. freedumbs good! I'm a good christian and luv me cuntry. GO USA, MAGA!!!
I hope you remember, when you're giving 70% of your paycheck, that you helped make it happen.

>Why would the government care about you, a loser that wanks off to cartoon girls?
I don't.

And try not paying taxes. IRS will show up on your doorstep with guns. Believe me, they care about each and every revenue producing unit.

[Anonymous No.12378239]

>>12378173
Anon, the citizens decide who is in charge and how to run things. Just don't be so deluded as to think that is done via voting.

[Anonymous No.12378242]

>>12378216
hawt

[Anonymous No.12378244]

>>12378117
I hope you smoke and have tons of processed meat so you enjoy the freedom of cancer over the government telling you it will kill you. Otherwise you're using your individual liberty to pick the government standards for their benefits.

[Anonymous No.12378265]

>>12378224
>hey buddy, I'm a Christian and a good republican, been voting against them big communist dems just like my daddy, daddies daddy, daddies daddy daddy!
Fuck off cleetus

[Anonymous No.12378269]

niggers

[Anonymous No.12378279]

>>12378265
>I want 70% of my labor -- that is, time I could be spending with family or loved ones, time that I spend standing, working, sweating, working for someone else -- I want 70% of my day to go to Congress so they can spend it on pointless wars. I don't want it for myself.
Your stereotypes reveal your ignorance, not mine.

[Anonymous No.12378293]

>>12378062
Welcome to the real world.

[Anonymous No.12378311]

>>12378279
the 70% number you are using reveals that you are responding to the AOC marginal tax rate bill.
Your analysis of how it would affect you is completely incorrect.
Look up marginal tax rates.

[Anonymous No.12378318]

>>12378311
>you just don't like Ocasio-Cortez!!!!1`
no, I'm using that figure because it is about what some European nations have had for years. it is proven there that people will tolerate it.

[Anonymous No.12378327]

>>12378318
are you implying that European nations, on the whole, DON'T have a better quality of life than the United States?

[Anonymous No.12378330]

>>12378318
People in Europe and Canada live better than mericans.

[Anonymous No.12378333]

>>12378062
>t. francois le cuck sportif

[Anonymous No.12378359]

>>12378327
>stabbings
>box truck attacks
>surveillance state
>right to self-defense is denied and outlawed
>erasure of national identities
>70% of your work goes to fund programs

Do you know what a slave is, anon? Someone who gives 100% of their labor to someone else. Europe is objectively less free than America. Liberty is the only thing that can guarantee a good quality of life. Not handouts, not programs, and not centralized state-run industries. Read the books I told you about.

[Anonymous No.12378364]

>>12378318
so you'd say that people in Germany or Sweden have awful lives, unlike african countries with much lower taxes?

[Anonymous No.12378366]

>>12378327
Yes, that’s what we are implying

[Anonymous No.12378368]

>>12378359
No you fucking moron, a slave is a person who is owned by another person.

[Anonymous No.12378376]

>>12378359
>stabbings
>>box truck attacks
>>surveillance state
>>right to self-defense is denied and outlawed
>>erasure of national identities
Same thing in burgertown, but much worse, mr 56% face.
>>70% of your work goes to fund programs
Fake. But it's true that there are programs, which is one thing makes Europe and Canada superior.

[Anonymous No.12378377]

>>12378359
must be some book. you can't even restate the arguments?

[Anonymous No.12378379]

>>12378368
And are Europeans owned by their wives/mothers? Yes

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.12378387]

>>12378139
This

>>12378293
>wacky world’s take

[Anonymous No.12378388]

>>12378368
No, idiot. That's property. Slave implies work. For example, American prisoners are literally slaves. Read the 13th Amendment. They work for free, but they still have some rights. Property does not have rights.

>>12378364
I think the comparison you are making is cherry picked because Germany and Sweden have centuries of massive wealth spent in infrastructure building behind them, and the parts of Africa you are talking about do not.

[Anonymous No.12378389]

>>12378359
>>12378366
t. 56% creatura.

[Anonymous No.12378391]

>>12378366
Well, you are incorrect. It is hard to realize the call is coming from inside the house if you refuse to acknowledge the existence of other houses

[Anonymous No.12378398]

>>12378388
What work does a babe in arms do?

[Anonymous No.12378399]

>>12378389
>Saying the same thing over and over again in an attempt to be funny
Ah, Europe, never change.

[Anonymous No.12378402]

>>12378062
Clem's Bait and Tackle
Formerly Chuck's

[Anonymous No.12378403]

>>12378388
You are so close to understanding imperialism but are willfully choosing not to

[Anonymous No.12378404]

>>12378398
>comparing prisoners to infants
I knew you were mentally challenged, or 19, or both. Leaving this dumb thread, you're welcome to whatever shithole world you create.

[Anonymous No.12378413]

>>12378399
>give me your whiteness, bbbllleeeerugggghhhhhh!!!

[Anonymous No.12378414]

>>12378388
I'm sorry, are you saying slaves in America had rights?

[Anonymous No.12378421]

>>12378359
>>stabbings
shootings
>>box truck attacks
I'm sure nothing like this happened during any demostration in recent memory
>>surveillance state
Patriot Act, using a plane means letting the government take naked pictures of you and they can detain you for hours if they doubt you. Everything you do can be monitored by everything in your phone. SWAT teams might kill you because someone was doing a prank. The police has armored trucks as if they were fighting ISIS
>>right to self-defense is denied and outlawed
what?
>>erasure of national identities
all whites being a single identity, all blacks are the same identity, is much worse than sharing your country with people who are openly different
>>70% of your work goes to fund programs
that include things that you'd have to pay as an american, like student loans or medical bills.
On the other hand what the state takes from you goes mostly to the army to go impose police states in other countries.

[Anonymous No.12378423]

>>12378414
Did slaves live under the 13th Amendment I mentioned? You fucking moron?

[Anonymous No.12378425]

>>12378404
Are you intentionally ignoring the historical connotation of the world slave in America?? Babies born of slaves are slaves because they are owned by other people.

[Anonymous No.12378430]

>>12378425
The definition changed after the reconstruction. Why are you faggots so ignorant? Are you Americans?

[Anonymous No.12378454]

>>12378430
On one hand, you acknowledge that definitions are not fixed. On the other, you insist that slave now means what you say it means.

But -- you defer to the legal definition? You are letting the government define how you use words?

What words mean to you are not the only thing that words mean--does that help?

[Anonymous No.12378456]

>>12378454
(You)

[Anonymous No.12378458]

Because fuck you, that's why

[Anonymous No.12378460]

>>12378456
Fuck my shit up senpai

[Anonymous No.12378534]

>>12378460
no, greenhorn. I was giving you a (You). a pity (You). because your argument is so weak that is the only response it deserves. how new are you

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.12378575]

>>12378413
Why are European cartoons so ugly?

Why do big gubermint Europeans still so attached to the idea of a state?
They don’t work any better than a capitalist economy. Austerity policies aren’t owing away. The only way to truly unify Europe is to dissolve all the states

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.12378580]

>>12378575
*why are
*arent going away
I should have said

[Anonymous No.12378588]

>>12378062
It's a meme so only the left wing has access to the state apparatus for effectualizing their goals and winning public support. This is why they've won the past 80 years. Anyone who believes in fiscal conservativism is a cuck. That only works if you have a single party state.

[Anonymous No.12378591]

>>12378575
Why do you suck dick and eat ass?

[Anonymous No.12378593]

>>12378265
As a lurker, just know you look like a stupid fuck with your greentexts

[Anonymous No.12378601]

>>12378593
Hello mutt. What percentage of you is European, African, etc?

[Anonymous No.12378604]

Anyone who protests government interference in their lives is an inbred rural retard. The elected government depends on the people for legitimacy so they only have our best interests and safety at heart.

[Anonymous No.12378617]

>>12378403
go back to /his/

[Anonymous No.12378626]

>>12378604
boy you really are chugging that onions aren't you.

democracy was developed for small communities, where individual votes and voices could matter. "the elected government" you are defending is an un-elected plutocracy. a deep state.

[Anonymous No.12378628]

>>12378601
I'm not American you're just shitposting

[Anonymous No.12378653]

>>12378402
based

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.12378659]

>>12378591
I do not

My questions still stand.
I know there are Anarchists in Europe, but the rest of hem need to wake up to the beasts these nations have become
(Nothing as beastly as the US of course, but still)

[Anonymous No.12378690]

>>12378593
The homosexuality in this statement is palpable.

[Anonymous No.12378707]

>>12378659
>I do not.

Well then, can I eat your ass? Live a little.

[Anonymous No.12378709]

>>12378593
lurk moar fagget

[Anonymous No.12378792]

>>12378205
I'm talking about more nuanced regulation for healthcare, where capitalism would be the solution.

>>12378244
I'm not a libertarian nor did I ever claim to be.

Government, as a coalition of the people, should ensure baseline health and safety standards.

[Anonymous No.12378809]

>>12378205
I didn't read the last part. I said 'overpriced hospitals'. Not "doctors".

Though like a yearly physical preformed by a doctor is very sub par by any standard in the US. A doctor - and subsequent cost - isn't required for that level of care.

[Anonymous No.12378816]

>>12378062
Thomas Paine

[Anonymous No.12378821]

>>12378151
based schizo poster

[Anonymous No.12379513]

>>12378062
Something about that shop name... I feel... drawn to it...

[Anonymous No.12379523]

based euro police getting bullied and pushed around by shitskin twigs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzFlcWkuysM

[Anonymous No.12379526]

>>12378205
>board of directors and accountants do.
what did he mean by this

[Anonymous No.12379685]

>>12378062
>gubmint
Why do you write like this? Are you mentally retarded? Do you take dicks up your ass? Are you a tranny who thinks you're being cute and kawaii?

[Anonymous No.12379703]

>>12378204
So you're going to ignore historical evidence of governments going rouge (even though you guys have been through that)? Doesn't seem like there's any point in talking to a moron like you.

Here's hoping Trump ends up being the fascist you losers claim him to be, and that he kills every single last one of you leftist losers.

[Anonymous No.12379731]

>>12378327
European here. I'm paying ~70% of my total income in taxes, and I would much prefer to live in the states since I'm not getting much - if anything - for all the taxes I pay here. Housing and accommodation is almost impossible to get unless your parents are well off, you have to wait ~8-9 weeks before you get to see a doctor where I live etc.

There is not a single country in the history that's greater than USA, save for Finland of course.

PS: Nordics who move to USA see between a 50-80% increase in living standards as compared to when they lived here, proving that your system is better. It's not perfect, nothing is, but it's better than what we have.

[Anonymous No.12379745]

>>12379731
>the regularly scheduled amerilard copeflag

[Anonymous No.12379755]

>>12379731
>European here. I'm paying ~70% of my total income in taxes
guess you meant to post in a sci-fi thread

[Anonymous No.12379795]

>>12379703
>governments going rouge
>america going red ever

[Anonymous No.12379806]

>>12378062
Read The Federalist Papers and then ask the question.

[Anonymous No.12379810]

>>12379755
>>12379745
The Institute for Private Economy/Swedbank (a bank here) came up with the following figures when using someone who earns 25 000SEK/month (~$2500):

>17 200SEK/month total in tax, divided upon:
>7 400SEK municipal taxes
>1 750SEK pension fees
>7 860SEK social fees

The report also counted that you pay 3 580SEK/month in VAT, when spending your money.

This report was published in 2012 though. Taxes have gone up since then.

It's nice to see you idiots have no real arguments, or any clue at all as to what you're talking about.

>>12379795
Yeah, was supposed to be 'rogue'. But I guess (khmer) rouge is fitting for you guys, so whatever.

[Anonymous No.12379811]

American dislike of government stems from so many different sources it's impossible to pin down just one.

[Anonymous No.12379815]

>>12378244
Lets tax everything that's bad for people to the point that only the wealthy can afford it and not call ourselves soft authoritarians.

[Anonymous No.12380087]

>>12378062
They've inherited the fears of their founders. Seeing as the political philosophy of founders of the US was based on the experiences of Europe it was naturally focused on restricting the states ability to abuse the polis.

[Anonymous No.12380106]

>>12378062
The Jason Compson narrative in The Sound and the Fury

[Anonymous No.12380327]

>>12379810
pinkos ITT BTFO

[Anonymous No.12380343]

>>12378575
behold the superior european drawing style
how can americucks ever compete

[Anonymous No.12380359]

>>12379810
>It's nice to see you idiots have no real arguments, or any clue at all as to what you're talking about.
t. the guy who thinks waiting times at his doctor is somehow pertinent to taxes

[Anonymous No.12380367]

>>12380359
When your healthcare system is publically financed through taxes and made available for everyone, it turns out that demand exceeds supply and thus you get longer waiting lines.

Some people prefer to pay in waiting times (and money), some in money. If I were to have a serious illness, I know which one I'd prefer.

[Anonymous No.12380476]

>>12378117
Thank god america came upon the world, otherwise my mind and body wouldn't get poisoned every chance the companies would get and we all would have no LIBERTY.
dog bless

[Anonymous No.12380586]

>>12380367
Germany has universal public healthcare and the waiting times on average are lower than in the US. It comes down to organizational prowess, not type of primary funding, brainlet.
>If I were to have a serious illness, I know which one I'd prefer.
Public healthcare doesn't mean patients aren't prioritized by condition severity. Your posts are frankly embarrassing.

[Anonymous No.12380587]

>>12378062
sneed

[Anonymous No.12380626]

>>12380586
I'm not saying the system in America is good - it's not, it's actually a horrible example. But that's because you guys are doing what we're doing, just in a different way.

And take into account that the entire world is subsidized by American healthcare since they're the ones doing the majority of research into new drugs and treatments.

I don't care if you cherry pick some examples like Germany. They still don't have as good a cancer survival rate as in America. It is expensive as all hell in America, but quality costs and that isn't something you can go around.

>Public healthcare doesn't mean patients aren't prioritized by condition severity.
It takes a long time to even see your doctor, in which time an illness can become much worse. And seeing as how doctors only have a few minutes to see every patient before they have to see another (since, again, demand > supply when you make products like healthcare into rights), people aren't receiving adequate care.

You can now kill yourself to stop any further humiliation.

[Anonymous No.12380662]

>>12380626
>public funding is what makes wait times long
>no, here's public funding with short times
>lul kek cherry picked idc
Are you mentally deficient or something?

[Anonymous No.12380693]

Cesspool of a thread. Burgers, fuck off with your delusions of freedom, you're the laughing stock of the world.