What am I in for?

[Anonymous No.12375176]

I decided to finally pick up Hegel given his importance to many writers and general influence on historical thinking. So what am I in for /lit/?

[Anonymous No.12375178]

>>12375176
imagine words that sound familiar but have no meaning when put together.

[Anonymous No.12375179]

>>12375176
He is a giant cuck

[Anon1313 No.12375181]

suicide

[Anonymous No.12375303]

>>12375176
It's literally gibberish. Hegel's supporters literally get angry if you ask it means or what they learned from it or how it improved their lives in any way, and they always come back with "you have to read it to find out what I learned from it! It's not supposed to improve your life!"

It's a waste of time. Not a single sentence of the book is true or false. It's nonsense.

[Anonymous No.12375413]

>>12375303

The Anglo thinks literacy is mere memorization of as many obscure words as possible, adverb abuse, run-on sentences, stupid puns, bombastic digression, etc. such that proper grammatical structure, Language itself, vexes him to no end and meaning eludes him altogether in overarching "legato" text. The Anglo is paralingual.

[Anonymous No.12375452]

>>12375413
Plato said that the first part of philosophy is to define terms, read Schopenhauer you dumb cuck

[Anonymous No.12375456]

>>12375176
Unless you're well-versed in philosophy before Hegel—Kant, especially—you won't get much. And even if you are, considering you're trying to read Hegel outside of an academic context and without secondary literature, you won't get much either.

[Anonymous No.12375468]

>>12375303
You have a point. Unlike the difficulty in western philosophers like Kant or Heidegger, which can be reconciled by close reading, Hegel is a legitimately BAD writer. There is nothing within the text itself that clarifies its ambiguities; Hegel assumes the reader understands its references and does not further explain his thoughts. That being said, secondary sources like Leszek Kołakowski's "Main Currents of Marx" are helpful indicators of the elements of Hegel that lasted in later philosophy and some of the context of Hegel's thought.

[Anonymous No.12375474]

>>12375303
Hegel helped me overcome regret over my wasted years, helps me understand the modern political climate, and the development of the soul.

[Anonymous No.12375537]

>>12375176
You're either going to get bombasted by dry language and covert prose, or your eyes are going to be opened to the true bastions of civilization.

[Anonymous No.12375578]

>>12375176
Confusion lmao.
I recently read an intro to Philosphy book in which I understood almost everything before Hegel and Kant fucked my shit up.

[Anonymous No.12375825]

>>12375176
Heidegger, but with no pay off.

[Anonymous No.12375871]

>>12375474
>Hegel helped me overcome regret over my wasted years,
how
>helps me understand the modern political climate
how
and the development of the soul.
What does this even mean? Development into what?

[Anonymous No.12375968]

>>12375871
>how

because once you understand the dialectic it isn't about spirit excising any and all contingencies that threaten its sovereignty, people usually think that errors and fuck-ups, backslides and stagnation, somehow refute Hegel's teleological reading of history, which is wrong, what Hegel's saying is that mistakes don't threaten spirit as much as constitute it, you needed to have been there to get here, your fuck ups will always make your truth fuller than smooth sailing

I got down on myself for wasting a lot of years frittering away my time but that regret is just an effect of my having been at the tail end of those wasted years, in the moment I did what I did and could not have done otherwise, this consciousness of my wasted youth, the urgency with which it fills my blood, could not have existed without them, all I can do is focus on self-determination in the present, negativity, suffering, these are what God uses to become himself, it's not what God is called to exorcise


>What does this even mean? Development into what?


into knowledge of itself as this thing called soul, spirit, Hegel isn't a dualist, he's saying Nature can only be an object for something outside Nature, or rather, Nature makes itself its own object as the movement of Spirit, negates itself to produce itself as negativity. basically once this stuff clicks you can smell a paradigm shift coming in the culture like it shit its pants, you can sense the larger, dialectic trends that inform the content of the sociopolitical fad of the week (there's a line in his History of Philosophy that explains the boomer meme perfectly), and you can be reconciled to this process, to its form, instead of being determined by and enslaved to its content

[Anonymous No.12376003]

>>12375968
based hegelposter

[Anonymous No.12376031]

>>12375968
kitchen soup for the soul in other words

[Anonymous No.12376066]

>>12376031
don't trivialize what you don't understand

[Anonymous No.12376083]

>>12375968
based

[Anonymous No.12376094]

Read Adorno's intro to dialectics if you're struggling with it or even before you read it

Also read Marx's early writings

[Anonymous No.12376101]

>>12375176
Even if you've read hegel, how do you know you read hegel?

[Anonymous No.12376111]

>>12376094
>read marx

[Anonymous No.12376127]

>>12375968
wtf I want to read Hegel now

[Anonymous No.12376140]

>>12375176
I took a module on Hegel at university. I'm honestly not sure if I could have understood the Phenomenology without having read it in a formal higher education setting.

So, good luck. Robert Stern's guide is pretty good to help you along as is The Cambridge Companion to German Idealism to help you situate who he's attacking in that book.

[Anonymous No.12376147]

>>12376111
His Critique of Hegel’s Philosophy of Right is a must-read.

[Anonymous No.12376159]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h73PsFKtIck

[Anonymous No.12376166]

Really, the book just shows the futility of philosophy. It shows that the only real truth you'll find comes from the discovery that truth is inaccessible to us.

[Anonymous No.12376226]

>>12376166
Through just sitting under a tree and thinking about it, yeah. But the fact that you typed that on a computer shows that there are more effective methods.

[Anonymous No.12376270]

>>12376166
No, he's actually saying the exact opposite, truth is always-already accessible to us AS the process of truth-finding, the truth isn't the proposition at the end of this process but that process in and of itself. Truth is the movement towards itself, because it is the movement that produces truth, and not truth, movement.

[Anonymous No.12376426]

>>12375456
I literally am at the locui of the continental school in the UK, I am pretty sure I can find someone to help.

[Anonymous No.12377314]

>>12376111
Yes, read Marx. Do you have a response or do you just randomly greentext people?

[Anonymous No.12377356]

>>12376111
are you a retard? how is that funny you fucking incel kys

[Anonymous No.12377570]

>>12375968
wow

[Anonymous No.12377644]

>>12377570
wow what

[Anonymous No.12377652]

>>12375176
>What did he mean by this?
The book

[Anonymous No.12377675]

>>12377356
>>12377314
>read marx
If i wanted to read a bunch of predictions that didn't come true i'd just read asimov.

[Anonymous No.12378346]

>>12375176
is the Miller translation the definitive one?

[Anonymous No.12378380]

>>12375413
>Kierkegaard and Schopenhauer were anglos

[Anonymous No.12378547]

>>12378380
You dumb schope babbies need to stop parroting the opinions of your betters and learn to think for yourselves.

[Anonymous No.12379505]

>>12377675
Marx didn't predict anything. He described the circumstances of his nation. Which of his descriptions do you disagree with?

[Anonymous No.12379550]

>>12375176
>What am I in for?
A journey to find the receipt to that book.