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What is the literary equivalent to the rivalry of Schoenberg and Stravinsky?

>> No.12346542

>>12346526
Kafka and Joyce. Europeans high stylist and out of tune culturally disruptive kike.

>> No.12347443

>>12346526
i know there is now way this is real but the shop is just too good

>> No.12347453

>>12346526
>rivalry of Schoenberg and Stravinsky?
This isn't real, it was just an imaginary ideological struggle dreamt up by Adorno.

>> No.12347656

>>12346542
>culturally disruptive kike.
So what great contributions to culture did you attribute to the world /pol/? Aside from being overtly fat, and giving your careers the help of disability benefits.

>> No.12347661

>>12347656
*carers
Fuck autocorrect

>> No.12347738

>>12347656
Read what Stravinsky said about kikes then come back and pretend pol has any relevancy except in your limited mind.

>> No.12347746

>>12347656
>le i'd like to see you do better

>> No.12347755

>>12346526
They weren't rivals. Stravinsky thought atonality was stupid until he decided to experiment with it because he was bored.

>> No.12347761

>>12347738
>>12347746
/lit/ is dead, and I hope you guys get raped and contract aids from a black man because of it.
People hating Kafka on /lit/, I never thought I would see the day. You people are so hateful, how does it feel to base yourself around hate? /lit/ may rise again, and get rid of you parasitic far right-wing vermin for good...

>> No.12347821

>>12346526
David Foster Wallace vs. Stephen King

>> No.12347914

>>12347761
Your post seems far more hateful. If you want to be an apologist for jews and subversive jewish writers this was never the place for you anyway. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

>> No.12347923

>>12347914
You are an absolute hypocrite, it is funny how right-wingers follow their descriptions of Jews to a capital because you guys are the epitome of being parasitic and subversive. Kafka has always ALWAYS been a favourite of /lit/, and you only need to look at /lit/‘s book charts and the archives to prove against your idiocy newfag /pol/tard.

>> No.12347978

>>12347923
lol @ this this primo butthurt. kafka really does have the most pathetic fans, still stuck in that 14 and hate my dad phase. /lit/ is better with you waifs gone.

>> No.12347984

>>12347978
But my dad loves Kafka, in fact, the reason why I read literature is because of him. My dad has always been extremely left btw, so has my grandfather before him and so on. It would actually be less conservative and more rebellious if I went right wing, then if I stuck left.

Also Wagner was a massive influence on Schoenberg on top of originally being a socialist.

>> No.12348053

>>12347984
Fucking leftist. You deserve the bullet. Or better - a rope!

>> No.12348054

>>12348053
Right wingers are parasites to all art and culture with their circle-jerk autism, and should all be lined up and shot. Off to the gulag with you!

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>>12347453
this

>> No.12348135

>>12346526
Góngora and Quevedo. They basically started the first roast battle in history. Quevedo even let out a /Pol/ poem calling Góngora a Rabbi and a Jew due to his enormous nose. Worth looking up.

>> No.12348159

>>12348112
>Mahler and Mendelssohn-two of the greats
Mendelssohn is good but Mahler sucks donkey dick.

>They call Mozart a good German, and in classic German autismo, dismiss the entire notion of Austrian music as distinct from German
If you actually read up on Mozart you'd see he considered himself to be German as there was no distinction between Austria and the rest of Germany at the time he was alive. It's retarded to see Austria and its culture as it existed before German unification as being separate from modern Germany as it was considered one of the many constituent states of the German "nation".

Also Schoenberg is nothing but ear raping shite to anyone but music majors and those interested in music theory. I consider anyone who loves his music to be a try hard pseud. Granted, I can respect him for trying to to something different but the result was just god awful.

>> No.12348167

>>12348159
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U-pVz2LTakM
This is good to hear for anyone on any level.

>> No.12348177

>>12348159
>sucks donkey dick
> ear raping shite
compelling refutations

>> No.12348237

>>12348159
>Schoenberg is nothing but ear raping shite
Indeed. And Schoenberg was a jew so that was the point: to mutilate German music.

>> No.12348325

>>12348237
>>12348167
Da joos

>> No.12348354

Holy shit, the amount of ignorance and superficial understanding of music and history is nauseating. Every time there is a musical thread on /lit/ I evacuate for a whole day to avoid reading it accidentally.

>> No.12348362

>>12348354
What a wonderful contribution to the thread.

>> No.12348373

Let's take this
>Also Schoenberg is nothing but ear raping shite to anyone but music majors and those interested in music theory.
It's obvious that this guys knows nothing about Schoenberg. I sincerely don't know where to start with such a dumb statement. Even if we assume that 12-tone system is bad for whatever reason, there is still Schoenberg's romantic legacy which is a staple of the canon and comes from the best german traditions. I could also describe his immense contributions to tonal theory with his many textbooks and discoveries (for example a sentence, the most common classical theme). Sorry for any english mistakes, I wrote it angry and fast

>> No.12348384

>>12348373
He knows exactly what he's talking about. Schoenberg was an ethnic outsider who perverted German music on purpose. No one liked his stuff then and no one likes it now because it's alien and shitty.

>> No.12348402

>>12348384
>Schoenberg was an ethnic outsider who perverted German music on purpose.
Have you ever considered, that this line of thought is schizo-tier narcissism. I am a Brazilian living in England since I was 1, and I care and love about English art and culture not want to promote it.
Why does he have to only create music in the context of being German, can’t he simply explore music as an individual human being.
Living by your train of thought must be very entrapping and boring, not to mention completely condescending - nazism is the ultimate self-cuck.

>> No.12348408

>>12348384
>No one liked his stuff then
>At the premiere, Schoenberg did not even face the members of the audience, many of whom were fierce critics of his who were newly won over by the work; instead, he bowed to the musicians, but kept his back turned to the cheering crowd. Violinist Francis Aranyi called it "the strangest thing that a man in front of that kind of a hysterical, worshipping mob has ever done."

>> No.12348411

>>12348402
*I don’t want to destroy it
I am sorry, I only slept for 2 hours today

>> No.12348413

>>12348384
Also alien is far from shitty, listen to zeuhl

>> No.12348419

>>12348402
Brazilian is not a race. Don't think you get how this works.

>>12348408
Jews liked it and praised it because they were alien outsiders with no aesthetic sense too but that only goes toward my point.

>> No.12348465

>>12348419
>Brazilian is not a race.
My point is that I am not an anglo

>> No.12348471

>>12347914
How is Kafka writing metaphors about his feelings of worthlessness thanks to his dad beating him "subversive Jewish writing?" What is it subverting?

No one likes /pol/ because they are annoying, not because they are speaking some truth we don't want to hear. They are annoying because they don't have a fucking point to make.

>> No.12348490

>>12348471
He probably never read him, the irony on top of that is that he asked his friend to burn the majority of his work. Truly trying to subvert German culture.

>> No.12348523

>>12348159
This is like saying Bavarian culture doesn't exist. I don't expect you to understand, but the Austrian musical tradition is a distinct strain in the German one, and Mozart is part of it. Also, Gurre-Lieder and Verklärte Nacht should be palatable even to boring philistines like you.

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12348571

>>12348471
>How is Kafka writing metaphors about his feelings of worthlessness thanks to his dad beating him "subversive Jewish writing?" What is it subverting?

>> No.12348577

>>12348571
Posting a picture of a scat fetishist doesn’t explain anything

>> No.12348596

>>12348159
> It's retarded to see Austria and its culture as it existed before German unification as being separate from modern Germany as it was considered one of the many constituent states of the German "nation".

Why is it /pol/ has literally zero understanding of history and the country they supposedly love?

>> No.12348630

>>12348523
>This is like saying Bavarian culture doesn't exist.
That's not what he said at all.
>Austrian musical tradition is a distinct strain in the German one
So it is part of the larger German tradition, which is exactly what he said.

>> No.12348647

>>12348159
>mahler sucks donkey dick
>schoenber is nothing but ear rating shite
found the pleb

>> No.12349109

>>12348596
>Austrian musical tradition is a distinct strain in the German one, and Mozart is part of it
I'm not from /pol/ and I don't love Germany.

This
>Austrian musical tradition is a distinct strain in the German one, and Mozart is part of it
is what I was trying to say.

>> No.12349183

>>12348596
Nah man he said other thing bitch. Austrian culture is very close to german culture and perciving them as independently cultures is fucking retarded. Yeh it is but also perciving them as one is also retarded because there are some dufferences. And if you must choose what retardation is better id choose his retardness not yours subversive cracka.

>> No.12349243

>>12348159
Mendelssohn is pleasant, but his music is as shallow as it gets. Schoenberg was the true successor to Wagner and the fulfillment of his ideas.

>> No.12349275

>>12349243
>Schoenberg was the true successor to Wagner and the fulfillment of his ideas.
God I hope this is a troll. Schoenberg was the biggest disgrace to classical music there ever was. He shouldn't be put in the same breath as Wagner even as a troll though.

>> No.12349294

>>12348159
>Mahler sucks donkey dick.
I'LL FIGHT YOU TILL MY LAST BREATH

>> No.12349295

>>12347453
Well they did represent two different approaches to music at the turn of the century and had a mutual antipathy towards one another. I would call that a rivalry.

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>>12347914
Kafka hated Jews, saying "they should be stuffed into a drawer". There is also nothing subversive about his writing. Joyce is far far more subversive.

>> No.12349347

>>12349310
Jews don't hate other jews. Jews are terrible people who are very hateable, but when they air out any dirty laundry they're only doing it for themselves and not the subhuman goyim.

>> No.12349348

>>12348112
>twelve tone in Mozart

Saying that development section of movement 3 of the 40th symphony is dodecaphonic is quite a stretch.

>> No.12349355

>>12349275
Actually I think that you are trolling. Schoenberg was one of the few who understood wagner's programmatic nonfunctional progression and explained them in his concepts of roving harmony and extended tonality

>> No.12349367

>>12348159
>Also Schoenberg is nothing but ear raping shite to anyone but music majors and those interested in music theory.

No, if anything music majors know he's full of shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9Fo84NWFm4

>> No.12349374

>>12349347
Have you ever met any Jews who acted like that? All the Jews I met were quite nice, one of my friends from primary school was Jewish

>> No.12349376

>>12348384
>I know exactly what I'm talking about (except I don't)

ftfy

>> No.12349390

>>12348490

He's almost certainly never read Kafka nor Joyce

>> No.12349413

>>12349374
Jews come from a culture that tells them to hate you while presenting outwardly like you. And they're so successful at taking over our shit because dolts like you take them at their word and don't recognize what they're doing.

>> No.12349424

>>12347761
For what it's worth anon, the teenage /pol/tards that came here during the election are probably just a vocal minority. Screaming about juice is of limited worth when so many great writers and philosophers were Jewish. Not to mention how philistine that form of race essentialism is. It's honestly surprizing for example that someone would be content with dismissing Spinoza as a Jew while others are discussing (and even criticizing) his complex metaphysical system. That sort of trolling is fine for /b/, but has no place here.

>> No.12349438

>>12349413
And everyone shitposting on here, without exception, is merely pretending to be retarded and you can't prove otherwise. It's part of 4chan culture after all.

>> No.12349450

>>12349424
No, faggot, you are the minority, and these tired tropes you're trotting out about jews stopped working here a long time ago. Now kindly fuck off.

>> No.12349456

>>12349413
But he was a child, and one of my best friends. He was one of the few kids that actually showed up at my birthday parties, I still have a monkey that he have to me as a present. Do you really think him, and his mother who was a lovely person, actually hated me? Do you realise how far from reality your delusions are? That you are living in a childish fantasy land, that everything is a schizophrenic delusion?

Have you ever met a Jew?

>> No.12349468

>>12349450
_|_

>> No.12349469

>>12349413
This is SJW levels of retarded.

>> No.12349476

>>12349450
Bolshevik and Menshevik mentality, you /pol/tard stormniggers never belonged on an anime website made by a motherfucking Jew (who said the site was never a freedom of speech website) who even went to the point of deleting /news/ for racism. You fuck off.

>> No.12349483

>>12349456
No one cares about your personal experiences or anecdotes. They are not accurate reflections of macro phenomena and group behavioral patterns.

>> No.12349492

>>12349476
t.jew

>> No.12349498
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12349498

>>12349476
And you wonder why you've been expelled from everywhere, for trying to keep people from talking about you. Well, it ain't working no more, rabbi.

>> No.12349507

>>12349492
No, my nose is not big.
Also, this is how much the people in charge of the site hate you people https://www.4chan.org/flash?file=complaining2013.swf&title=Complaining%20(2013%20Edition)

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>>12349498
d-delete this!

>> No.12349534

>>12349507
2013? What world are you living in? Just fuck off back to weddit man. You're a jew or a moron but there's no space for either here anymore.

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12349542

>>12348159
go suck on a prolapse, friendo

>>12348167
that's cool but still quite late-romantic infused, have this nice concerto
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEY9lmCZbIc

>> No.12349550

>>12349534
Well I am definitely not at all Jewish, so by your idiotic /pol/tard logic I must be a ‘moron’. Well, so are the others arguing against you I guess.

>> No.12349577

>>12349550
It's only you here, bro. Time to scram, no room for shabbos goyim on /lit/.

>> No.12349602

>>12349577
Your imitation of the language those retarded /pol/-tier comics is laughable, you think that to be as ‘charming’ despite your incessant vulgarity. Check the fucking IPs on the bottom, and count the number of posts for and against your point (not counting you) you will clearly see that I am not the only one against you.
My name is laurent aur vasquez brandao btw.

>> No.12349625

>>12349602
who the hell use "charming" and "vulgarity" words. you heckin boomer. how old are you man

>> No.12349627

>>12349602
You're a schizo. This conversation just started, and it's ending the same way: with you being told to gtfo.

>> No.12349637

>>12349625
You just outed your levels of pleb.

>> No.12349640

>>12349627
Yeah, nah.

>> No.12349653

>>12349542
inferior recording

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZlB2tRyvQw

>> No.12350332

>>12349456
I think you are a fucking jew, t b h

>> No.12350333

>>12347755
Stravinsky and Schoenberg were initially close but became increasingly cold towards each other as they matured. Stravinsky only began working with the 12-tone technique after Schoenberg was dead, and it may have had something to do with his meetings with Boulez. Besides which, he was a great admirer of Webern.

>> No.12350355

>>12349476
>you /pol/tard stormniggers never belonged on an anime website made by a motherfucking Jew (who said the site was never a freedom of speech website) who even went to the point of deleting /news/ for racism. You fuck off.
What a retarded argument. And he isn't even related to 4chan anymore.

>> No.12351104

>>12350355
the mods still hate you, and don't you hate Jews for being parasitic subverts? We hate you for the exact same reason.