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Which philosophy can help me overcome intense fear of death? It's getting really bad, bros

>> No.12326014

>>12326002
I was like this, but then I had a prolonged mental breakdown and I stopped fearing death
you'll get there anon

>> No.12326022

>>12326002
Theology.

>> No.12326030

>>12326002
start fapping to gore

>> No.12326036

>>12326002
Not a book, but the movie "the fountain" started me on my journey of spiritual development. Good luck

>> No.12326046

300 micrograms of LSD

>> No.12326048

fapping to gore while on 300micrograms of lsd

>> No.12326064

fapping to gore with 300micrograms of lsd wearing a maid outift

>> No.12326077

>>12326064
Don't go down this road.
You're not going to be any happier than you were fapping to good wholesome loli.

>> No.12326079

>>12326002
Because the only sure thing about yourself is you'll gonna die someday, realizing the dread of death is the key of philosophy/religion. Or you can escape the only lesson of life by fall into singularity meme and go back to >>>/r9k/.
TL;DR:>>>/r9k/ can help you

>> No.12326092

The trick is realizing you cant die because you never existed

>> No.12326093

>>12326077
t. mundane

>> No.12326095
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I had a crippling panic disorder which was triggered by the thought of death. Would happen at parties, during car rides, while watching a movie with friends, etc, wherever and whenever and it ruined me even more. It’s a problem that appears in some from an extremely individual based, narcissistic and capitalist society where you are told that you are the whole world from so many corners. Once you read Plotinus’s writing on the All and truly understand what language is I can’t guarantee that you won’t fear it anymore but I promise it won’t be nearly as bad.

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>>12326095
>It’s a problem that appears in some from an extremely individual based, narcissistic and capitalist society where you are told that you are the whole world from so many corners.

>> No.12326113

Why are you afraid to die?

>> No.12326127

>>12326113
Because I fully accepted it will happen anyway.

>> No.12326131

>>12326127
No matter if you accept it or not cuntboy, you are going to die anyway

>> No.12326139

>>12326103
Tell me why then, I’m not saying the normal fear of death with it being unknown is because of modern society. But the extreme fear of it is.

>> No.12326140

>>12326127
But acceptance is incompatible with fear

>> No.12326798

>>12326002
find a gf

>> No.12326806

>>12326030
this, literally fap to the artist that made OP’s image. they make lots of yuri gore. their name is aosora mizore

>> No.12326807

>>12326002
Plato's Apology

>> No.12326813

While you're probably still young with time and energy, watch this.

It sort of explains existence in a way that made me think, im in heaven now.

>> No.12326818

>>12326813
retard me forgot to post link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLg4AV60uWY&t=125s

>> No.12326819

>>12326813
nice link

>> No.12326824
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>>12326818
>Alan Watts

>> No.12326833

>>12326002
Existentialism, it will likely intensify your anxiety and doubts, but at least you get to feel smart for a bit

>> No.12326923

>>12326002
Thomas Ligotti - The Conspiracy Against the Human Race
David Benatar - The Human Predicament

After realizing what a shitty situation we're all trapped in death doesn't seem as bad even though it's not completely unproblematic to accept.

>> No.12326973

>>12326139
Deluded retard

>> No.12326987

>>12326002
Read the bible anon

>> No.12327410

>>12326022
since religion promises eternal life, is it not just a simple "out" for people scared of death, since we can't process death?

>> No.12327884

>>12326002
This is what happens when parents don't beat their children. An entire generation of wussies.

>> No.12327892

>>12327884
beating is outdated and should be replaced by electroshock

>> No.12327896

Shrooms/DMT
>>12326046
Not really, need like 600+ but I wouldn't use acid for that purpose

>> No.12327899

>>12327896
what would you use instead?

>> No.12327951

>>12326002
Literally one god and the afterlife.

>> No.12327973

>>12326002
No philosophy can help you with this, you are looking for magic words that will inspire you to become courageous but there are none. Fear of death and fear of life are the same thing, they stem from cowardice and the desire for endless self-persistence. To become courageous you must cultivate courage by being courageous, by facing your fears as teachers and not as tormentors.

Cowardice always comes from selfishness, the desire to act strategically in one's "self interest," i.e. what gives them the most protection, comfort, and advantage in the world. Cowardice is reinforced via social conditioning because it makes people predictable and easy to control - satisfying the fear of death via the illusion of an afterlife is but one of such methods of control. Courage comes from a position of altruism, a giving of the self and a suffering that that which one loves. If you want to be courageous, seek something to suffer for that isn't yourself and suffer for it, invest your life in it.

>> No.12327976

>>12327896
Im new to pyschs. Why Shrooms rather than LSD?

>> No.12327988

>>12326113
ingrained survival instinct plus disappearing forever is pretty lame.

>> No.12327998

>>12326002
Depends on why you're scared. The myth of Sisyphus addresses it directly and pretty simply though.

>> No.12328009

I honestly really feel for you man because it hits me really fucking hard too sometimes. At the very least have this small comfort of knowing that some other human out there understands your fear. In this moment we have each other and I don't know what the answers are any more than you do.

>> No.12328012

>>12327988
What are your thoughts on the Nietzsche's Eternal Return idea? It seems probable to me and sometimes I find it comforting but sometimes I find it even worse than never existing again.

>> No.12328019

>>12326139
Humans have always been terrified of death mang, it is literally genetically encoded in us to be terrified of death

>> No.12328026

>>12326140
Kek, no it isn't
>>12327410
We can't process existence perpetuating forever either so really it just presents another problem. And then you realize that existence itself is just one big fucking problem and nothing makes any sense, neither an infinite night or an infinite day

>> No.12328086

>>12326002
YouTube
"Alan Watts death"
pick one

>> No.12328108

>>12327988
if you came into existence one time why can't you do it again?

>> No.12328111

>>12328108
this kills the reaper

>> No.12328117

>>12328108
But it wouldn't be the same...
>MUH demon memory erasor
>MUH demon illusion
oh shut up

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>>12326002
>mfw never been afraid of death
>not even as a kid
what is it? am I just naive?

>> No.12328145

>>12326002
It sounds like death Anxiety I get that really bad at times too, ask doctor for anti anxiety medicine

>> No.12328166

>>12328142
>not being scared of objectively the scariest thing that can possibly be
Yup, I'd say you might be retarded

>> No.12328172

>>12328166
>shitting your pants over the inevitable
seems pretty retarded desu. only children do this.

>> No.12328177

>>12328172
>inevitabe things can't be terrifying
Huh? So if a maniac broke into your home, tied you up and declared that he's going to spend the next 24 hours slowly cutting off all your limbs, you wouldn't be scared because it's basically inevitable?

>> No.12328186

>>12328177
>>12328166
doubledubs confirms

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>>12326002
Which philosophy can help me overcome intense fear of life? It's getting really bad, bros

>> No.12328482

>>12326002

I dont think any particular philosophy will help you.

The way I think of death is that, no matter what - no matter what. Entropy is eternal. You will, regardless of your lifespan (100, 100,000) your existence will end.
Now what lies on the other side of that existence, absolutely no-one knows so don't get hung up on it.

>> No.12328495

>>12326002
Death has been defeated by Jesus Christ. There's nothing to be afraid of.
And If This proved erroneus...
There's still nothing to be afraid of, Because we won't be there to notice being dead and not existing anymore.

>> No.12328499

>>12327976
They are considerably different in headspace. Shrooms have a more internal, self-focused head space and lsd have a more external, world-focused headspace. There are many differences between the two, however.
>>12327899
Shrooms or DMT, or even high doses of ketamine.

>> No.12328503

>>12327410
>>"religion"
You mean Christianity.
>>isn't it just an out?
The opposite is True. There's litteraly no way out of the choices you make now; not even in eternity.

>> No.12328528

>>12326002
I understand you. I spent my childhood thinking about mortality and how unfair it is. Now I'm better, but sometimes I can't help but think about it.

>> No.12328541

>>12328528
It's absolutely and completely fair. Given a finite universe of finite energy and resources Why would it be considered "unfair" that someone should be able to consume energy and add to the universal entropy only for a limited time?
Each and everyone of your problems would get worse given physical Immortality without communion with God the Principle of Being.

>> No.12328552

Realise that by every possible metric death is a better deal than life. Even that fear you're feeling right now will completely dissipate as you die.

>> No.12328556
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12328556

when you're dead it won't matter lmao

>> No.12328811

>>12326022
Theology is the only reason one should have to fear death

>> No.12328931

>>12328177
No, because I would have killed the maniac first.

>> No.12328991

>>12326002
>unironically
I came across the great Bernard Williams essay on mortality the other day, which is just a lucid and well argued essay expanding on what we get from Epicurus. So I would recommend reading the very short letter of Epicurus here
>http://www.epicurus.net/en/menoeceus.html
and here is the link to Williams' essay
>https://wmpeople.wm.edu/asset/index/cvance/williams

The central quote from Epicurus is this one
>when we are, death is not come, and, when death is come, we are not
Like the rest of /lit/ I spent years not reading anything but online summaries but I first came across the same outlook in this anecdote:
>When asked how [Diogenes] wished to be buried, he left instructions to be thrown outside the city wall so wild animals could feast on his body. When asked if he minded this, he said, "Not at all, as long as you provide me with a stick to chase the creatures away!" When asked how he could use the stick since he would lack awareness, he replied "If I lack awareness, then why should I care what happens to me when I am dead?

The last, however, made me feel like there was no value to life (in the sense of why would I care for my kids, or offspring, or my name after death, if I cannot experience it), which is why I recommend a more sober philosophical essay (like the beautiful yet short and thus misleading letter, and progressively, Williams).

>> No.12329060

>>12328991
Williams is a textbook case of Philosophers' Syndrome, mistaking a failure of the imagination for an insight into necessity.

>> No.12329186

Stoicism

>> No.12329204

>>12326002
This reddit thread unironicaly helped me overcome fear of death, most of the people who were clinically dead described death as a positive, relaxing experience:
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/6rcuom/serious_people_who_have_been_clinically_dead_and/

>> No.12329229

Buddhism, for sure

>> No.12329612

>>12326002
Christianity (Orthodox tbp), since the whole point is that Christ has defeated death, so you've got nothing to worry about as long as you repent.

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>>12329612

>> No.12329634

Well it’s not like you can escape it. You just have to accept that you’ll die someday and make the most of every day you’re alive. Or look up quantum immortality and put your mind at ease

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>>12326002
Read Thomas Bernhard or Samuel Beckett and then realise death is actually the preferable option over an eternity of tortuous existence.

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>>12329629

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12329762

I used to fear death too. But now I don't, now I think that death is only ticket out of this existential nightmare called life, and I think of doing a suicide all the time. Pls help.

>> No.12329881

Sorry but you'll either have to join a cult or an organized religion.

>> No.12329882

>>12326002
Fear of death is a spook

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>>12329882
based

>> No.12330373

Taoism addresses it in a simple way that spoke to me when I felt that same way. Basically just accepting that it is a part of the life cycle

>> No.12330395

Socrates/Plato, specially the Phaedo.

>> No.12330581

>>12329742
nice knowyourmeme filename my epic memer friend

>> No.12330620

>>12329882
Not fearing death is a spook

>> No.12330638

Eventually you stop being scared of death and start being scared of dying

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>>12326002

>> No.12331414

>>12326002
Realize that you don't permanently belong on earth. You've been forcefully woken from the natural state (eternity). The you that you feel attached to earth is a temporary manifestation of spirit. The real you can only be intuited at times and is unconscious, for consciousness is part of the material. The material world is akin to a prison which you can only be freed from by embracing the eternal spiritual principles you know to be true. Don't be obsessed with vanity in this world (money, fame, longevity, etc.) because those things are meaningless. The only measure of spiritual success is willing sacrifice and thus willing death for virtuous reasons. Sacrifice is the crucible upon which all great art rests on. A noble death is better than a cowardly victory. Seek asceticism. Wash your penis.

>> No.12331415

>>12326002
Yang Wangming philosophy

Read The Sea of Fertility

>> No.12331464

>>12328991
Finally!
Epicurus is the right answer

>>12331375
Christianity is for people who want to die and can’t cope with existential dread of there bing no afterlife

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>>12326002

>> No.12332778

You know what's worse than dying? Wasting your life away constantly worrying about dying. Now, that's scary.

>> No.12332950

Like others have said read the trial of Socrates.
If you want religious, read the death of Ivan illyich and go from there.

>> No.12332955

>>12326002
only time will do that. occupy yourself with other things. trust that it will be crushed from you, as many pieces of you go with it.

>> No.12332988

>>12326014
Are you now comfortable with thinking about your death for extended periods of time, or did you just stop thinking about it? The former outcome is much more desirable than the latter.

>> No.12333165

When I feel this way I tend to read about the universe and science, sort of grounds me and helps me think outside of myself and my problems

>> No.12334573

>>12329060
Your post is a textbook case of philosophical illiteracy.

>> No.12334592

>>12327988
>disappearing forever is pretty lame
Non-existence seems like the best thing anyone can ever hope for, to me at least. What makes your life so great? How do I fear death?

>> No.12334788

Take a shit-ton of DMT and Krokodil, then lay in your bed and wait for the pain to end

>> No.12334812

>>12331414
>life is the process of learning how to consent to the sacrificial act that it is

this guy gets it

>> No.12335135

>>12326002
Read the Tibetan book of the dead

>> No.12335707

Ernest Becker - The denial of death

>> No.12335732

>>12335135
>then looks at Tibet today
shieeet.....