How accurately does this describe the modern-day USA?

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Anonymous Fri Dec 28 14:55:21 2018 No.12301374 [Reply] [Original]

How accurately does this describe the modern-day USA?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 28 14:56:45 2018 No.12301384 >>12301374 not at all

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 28 14:57:33 2018 No.12301385 Not very since it's set in what used to be England

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 28 14:57:45 2018 No.12301387 2%

Anonymous Fri Dec 28 15:05:03 2018 No.12301435

>>12301374
The content of the book in and modern day USA are similar in the way that:
-both seem to be set in a Universe with similar laws of physics
-both appear to me set on the same planet
-both have humans in them, who act in certain ways
-both contain non-living things humans can and do interact with
-sometimes things happens which some certain group or person doesn't like

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 28 15:16:08 2018 No.12301484 >>12301435 >NSA watches your every move >CIA makes you disappear >police can kill you for dubious reasons such as being black

Anonymous Fri Dec 28 15:17:57 2018 No.12301493

>>12301374
yes and no
there are no black people or mexicans in 1984
movements such as black lives matter would be immediately suppressed in Airstrip One
constant surveillance certainly does exist in the form of the NSA. there is also a type of surveillance not done by the government, but by citizens in search of likes and subscribers. mark zuckerberg is big brother.
memory holes certainly exist
2 + 2 = 5? well there's common core i suppose
there are certainly thoughtcrimes, although again these are not usually judged by the government, but by twitter

really the usa is more like brave new world in that there is the illusion of freedom but on closer inspection there is only oppression

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 28 15:19:55 2018 No.12301499 >>12301484 NSA only watch you if you get flagged. Agents have ever been like this through history, it's just more sophisticated surveillance technology nowadays. ynr the ham police in spain

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 28 15:22:21 2018 No.12301509 >>12301493 >memory holes certainly exist I had an 1986 almanac which showed two interesting facts: AIDS was for homosexual men, and Iraq was 65% sunni

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 28 15:23:56 2018 No.12301515 >>12301374 1984 was a socialist authoritarian regime so not at all

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 28 15:24:59 2018 No.12301521 >>12301374 not at all and anyone who says we're living in 1984 hasn't read the book

Anonymous Fri Dec 28 15:25:16 2018 No.12301522

>>12301484
>>NSA watches your every move
Barely, I doubt they really care that much.
The *real* censorship and surveillance is coming from google, facebook and Co.

>>CIA makes you disappear
No, they really don't, unless you are someone who probably should disappear.

>>police can kill you for dubious reasons such as being black
Based and redpilled, but false.
This is just one of the side effects of living in a country with so many guns, police has to be careful because not shooting has a significant risk of dying.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 28 15:25:25 2018 No.12301525 >>12301515 that being said, modern england certainly draws parallels

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 28 15:44:58 2018 No.12301624 It describes modern China much better than England or america

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 28 15:45:08 2018 No.12301625 >>12301515 How the fuck is the Big Brother regime socialist?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 28 15:46:01 2018 No.12301633 >>12301374 >rewriting history Check. >surveillance in home Check. >torture/black sites Check. >perpetual war Check. >24/7 "the other" propaganda Check. >planned obsolescence/manufactured scarcity Check. >ruling elite/gated communities Check.

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Anonymous Fri Dec 28 15:48:08 2018 No.12301646

>>12301633
>>rewriting history
>Check.
Happens everywhere at all times.
>>surveillance in home
>Check.
People CHOOSE to do this.
>>torture/black sites
>Check.
Happens everywhere at all times.
>>perpetual war
>Check.
Just some fucking around in some desert nobody cares about.
>>24/7 "the other" propaganda
>Check.
Happens everywhere at all times.
>>planned obsolescence/manufactured scarcity
>Check.
So?
>>ruling elite/gated communities
>Check.
Happens everywhere at all times.

Anonymous Fri Dec 28 15:49:21 2018 No.12301650

>>12301625
It isn't, people forget that Orwell was a libertarian socialist who absolutely hated Stalinism. If it is a critique of a specific type of system besides generic totalitarianism it's a critique of state capitalist governments like the Soviet Union or modern China

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 28 15:49:44 2018 No.12301653 >>12301646 >but all of my friends are Nazis too

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 28 15:50:07 2018 No.12301655 >>12301653 ???

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 28 15:51:32 2018 No.12301661 >>12301655 The fact that other countries do the things America does doesn't anyhow negate those things

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 28 15:51:39 2018 No.12301663 >>12301650 I know it's the same retards that think NatSoc are socialists. A little knowledge is dangerous

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 28 15:53:25 2018 No.12301671 >>12301655 You don't need a union until you need a union

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 28 15:55:01 2018 No.12301676 >>12301640 many countries have cctv on public transport, including the usa otherwise where would we get all those videos of lawyers, scientists and doctors punching bus drivers etc

Anonymous Fri Dec 28 15:55:43 2018 No.12301679

>>12301661
>The fact that other countries do the things America does doesn't anyhow negate those things
But it negates any specific meaning of that. If "most" countries are like 1984 because they possess some very common characteristics found everywhere in History, then "being like 1984" is just meaningless.

Just like arguing that someone is a Fascist based on him drinking water or eating bread LIKE THE FASCISTS.
1984 describes something *specific* not something generic you are pointing out.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 28 15:56:44 2018 No.12301684 >>12301671 What does that have to do "with my friends being nazis too"?

Anonymous Fri Dec 28 16:02:08 2018 No.12301709

>>12301684
They say the surveillance isn't a problem because the govt aren't looking for me, I'm not a terrorist so I'm not worried. That is until the govt decides that you are. If our phones are tapped and we're all wearing rfid chips, again no problem because we did nothing wrong, that is until the govt decides that we did. But it's ok because all my friends are Nazis and I don't need a union so I don't care the govt can do whatever it likes.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 28 16:03:15 2018 No.12301714 >>12301709 >They say Okay, but who cares? I didn't say that.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 28 16:03:23 2018 No.12301716 >>12301679 No anon, that means the whole world is like 1984. Much worse.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 28 16:06:16 2018 No.12301729 >>12301714 Ok you aren't they then that's fine go back to playschool. I didn't mean it as (((they))) either btw. Fuck it don't worry. I'll pray for you right now, anon.

Anonymous Fri Dec 28 16:07:43 2018 No.12301741

>>12301716
>No anon, that means the whole world is like 1984.
No, it means the world ALWAYS was like 1984, neither surveillance nor perpetual wars nor torture are inventions of the 2th century.
Its just a generic description of the world, like:
What is a Fascist:
-He eats bread
-He drinks water
-He wares clothes
-Sometimes he wears more expensive clothes
-He loves some people
-He hates some people
-Sometimes he reads the Newspaper
-...
This is just a generic description. Everything is true, but I have said nothing, given no special characteristics and thus I have actually described nothing. Orwell was *specific* but you just state random facts about the world which are pretty much generally true, for most of history.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 28 16:07:52 2018 No.12301743 File: 152 KB, 300x449, angry black man.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12301374 Brave New World is a lot closer to what we're seeing today, at least in the west.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 28 16:22:32 2018 No.12301814 >>12301741 Are you one of those postmodernists?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 28 16:59:08 2018 No.12302021 File: 2.87 MB, 2976x3968, IMG_20181228_235828.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12301625

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 28 17:04:56 2018 No.12302054 The department of war was renamed to the department of defense after WW2. Rhetoric at its finest.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 28 17:09:34 2018 No.12302081 >>12301663 >>12301650 >>12301625 It is socialist (and so is national socialism, obviously), they're just authoritarian versions of socialism. Why is this so hard to understand?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 28 17:13:12 2018 No.12302099 >>12302081 State capitalism isn't socialism.

Anonymous Fri Dec 28 17:25:42 2018 No.12302149

>>12301509
>AIDS was for homosexual men
Yes, AIDS research was pretty poor in the 80s. There was a whole thing about Reagan with it. Not really a memory hole, more like information on the disease was updated. This happens all the time in medicine and calling HIV a memory hole is similar to claiming big pharma memory holed leeches.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 28 19:17:29 2018 No.12302711 >>12301374 I'm more afraid of tech companies than I am of the government. Also, we're closer to Brave New World desu.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 28 19:20:50 2018 No.12302730 >>12302081 It destroys the narrative contemporary ""socialists"" have been attempting to cultivate.

Anonymous Fri Dec 28 19:37:42 2018 No.12302813

>>12302149
>calling HIV a memory hole
But I didn't say that. What I said was that according to the 1986 Almanac that I had in my possession, AIDS was a disease for homosexual men. In 1986 in Australia, 88% of persons infected with the AIDS were homosexual men, 10% were drug users. I think it qualifies as a memory hole because people don't remember that perception of AIDS being a disease for actual faggots, a disease contracted and spread by their degenerate lifestyle. AIDS is not seen today, in the wider community, as a homosexual issue caused by homosexual men fucking with each other.

When I was a child and first heard about AIDS, my initial thought was that it is God's wrath falling upon the sodomites. Today the homosexual men are seen as victims of AIDS, charity and awareness for them. Maybe they shouldn't be actual faggots and then they won't get AIDS.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 28 19:41:35 2018 No.12302830 >>12302021 IngSoc is, possibly, corrupted socialism. It's certainly not real socialism, like how Animal Farm is not real communism but a depiction of that system being corrupted. Believe what you like though.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 28 19:44:22 2018 No.12302843 >>12302830 holy cringe

Anonymous Fri Dec 28 19:52:28 2018 No.12302882

>>12302843
Nice refuttal. It's bothering me, I've read Orwell and I'm fucking telling you that 1984 is not a dystopia of what happens when socialism wins. I'm assuming that all you stupid cunts are just trolling by this stage. It's like that puppet film Team America has these unironic supporters of 'Murica Fuck Yeah! There's probably a German word for when satire crosses the line and is taken as legit and it's usually the naive and impressionable that fall for it, the one's who think they're smarter than they actually are but it's like the fish in the ponds and they've no idea about whales, like an ant biting an orange.

Anonymous Fri Dec 28 20:07:50 2018 No.12302985

>>12302882
Of course IngSoc is not an example of socialism "winning," you buffoon. The whole point is to demonstrate that socialism, as with other ideologies, has the potential to be misapplied, and thus, corrupted. It's that simple, and shouldn't be such a challenge to your idealistic picture of "real socialism."

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 28 22:50:44 2018 No.12303796 The "patriot" act basically makes us live it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 28 23:27:58 2018 No.12303967 >>12301743 this

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 28 23:33:06 2018 No.12303983 >>12301814 No.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 28 23:34:08 2018 No.12303988 >>12301625 Its "in the name" IngSoc, English socialists.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 00:14:52 2018 No.12304159 >>12302813 you sound like a real dick anon

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 01:43:00 2018 No.12304470 >>12301374 It doesn't. The world of 1984 had a functioning government.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 02:12:17 2018 No.12304538 >there are no black people or mexicans in 1984 >movements such as black lives matter would be immediately suppressed in Airstrip One Is Oceania, dare I say it, based and redpilled?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 02:50:24 2018 No.12304641 >>12302830 >if socialism doesn't work it isn't real socialism

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 03:25:40 2018 No.12304713 >>12301374 It doesn't. The reality of it is much worse, much more insidious and layered.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 03:32:39 2018 No.12304730 >>12304641 Can you even algebra

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 03:57:51 2018 No.12304807 >>12304730 I have a mathematics minor

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 07:14:24 2018 No.12305312 It describes modern day China almost perfectly. Hell, China is even worse

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 07:16:18 2018 No.12305316 >>12302054 I dont think that is necessarily double speak. After WW2, the goal of nations was cooperation and to prevent mass wars from happening again. The priority was not war, but reducing war.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 07:19:08 2018 No.12305325 >Winston has a forbidden Tryst >Eventually get caught in a sting operation >Gets tortured until his love for Julia is replaced by a love for big Brother >Reintroduced into society Is that it?

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 07:23:45 2018 No.12305338

>>12302813
I remember driving home with a childhood friend, he's pretty unpolitical, not very studious, or anything else like that.
Seemingly out of nowhere he started telling me that the US government created AIDS to fuck with black people, it was pretty weird desu.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 07:36:21 2018 No.12305373 >>12302054 Department of War is more fitting as they hardly defend anything.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 12:27:19 2018 No.12306214 >>12301743 >>12301374 read BNW

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