/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.12251220]

Is there a book that teaches your brain to work like this?
I don't care about his quality of arguments, I am only interested in the aspect of coming up with counter points and articulating them in milliseconds.

[Anonymous No.12251225]

No, only superior Ashkenazi genes can bestow this gift

[Anonymous No.12251236]

>>12251220
Schopenhauer's The Art of being right

[Anonymous No.12251237]

>>12251225
This. I wish it weren't the case but most likely it's a genetic thing. When your entire peoples value education above all else, for dozens of generations, this is the result. Fucking burgers could take note instead of valuing stupid sports shit and consumerist bullshit above everything else. My family just spent 60k remodeling their kitchen. They've probably spent like less than 4k on my entire education. We're fucked. The jews have already won.

[Anonymous No.12251238]

Aristotle - Topics and/or Aristotle - Rethoric

[Anonymous No.12251244]

>>12251225
>you will never be good at math
>you will never be good at physics
>you will never be good at logic
>you will never be good at debate
>all because you were not born ashkenazi jewish or an upper class anglo-saxon

[Anonymous No.12251250]

So, Dante, when are we leaving this level?
Dante?

[Anonymous No.12251255]

>>12251220
The lower your intelligence, the easier it is to revert to dogmatic logical executions. That's why black people are surprisingly quick to retort, and are often extremely well spoken and can rhyme on a dime, so to speak. There's less to work with and the retrieval occurs quicker. Benjamin Shapiro just happens to be a slightly-above-average intelligence with this ability. This isn't a good thing. This is a bad thing.

[Anonymous No.12251264]

>>12251237
Wow, that's some blackpilled beta cuckery there.

If you were of sufficient age and social class, it would be transparent to you that the Ashkenazim are merey a pale imitation of the WASPs they both idolize and resent. There's a great book called The Ordeal of Civility that will catch you up on how the Jew adapted from the ghetto to the country club, and how it's only a facade.

Regarding OPs question, there's no one book that will teach you how to think and argue rigorously, it takes a well rounded education grounded in logic and ethics. Start with the Greeks.

[Anonymous No.12251268]

>>12251244
>blaming your retardation on your ancestors
absolutely pathetic

[Anonymous No.12251271]

>>12251264
t. doesnt know any modern day wasps

[Anonymous No.12251277]

>>12251268
but anon, it is your ancestors after all that are responsible for you being a swarthy nigggerkin.

[Anonymous No.12251278]

>>12251225
fpbp, as a side note notice how Ashkenazi genes give women big breasts, pure eugenics.

[Anonymous No.12251283]

>>12251277
stop blaming other people for your lack of success.

[Anonymous No.12251285]

>>12251255

Low IQ post

[Anonymous No.12251296]

BEGONE SOPHIST

[Anonymous No.12251299]

>>12251283
but anon, it is your ancestors after all that are responsible for your lack of success.

[Anonymous No.12251319]

>>12251299
you can keep projecting but it won't work

[Anonymous No.12251321]

>>12251268
Fuck off SJW

[Anonymous No.12251324]

>>12251321
>if you aren't a self-loathing autistic racialist you're an SJW

[Anonymous No.12251332]

>>12251324
>anyone can be and do whatever they want as long as they put their mind to it!
Excuse me while I fart unicorns and shit rainbows.

[Anonymous No.12251342]

>>12251220
Its all preparation, bud. Put yourself through an imaginary debate. Put forwards your argument, then imagine/research what an opponent would say. Then figure out your reply. Then figure out your opponents reply and continue until you've exhausted your opponents points.

Also research all the arguments your opponents have on a subject and find a counter point to them, then figure out what your opponents would say to your counter points, and find counter points to those as well.

[Anonymous No.12251349]

>>12251268
>not acknowledging that a large portion of what makes you smart is genetic.
It's unfortunate, but it's the truth. Denying it won't change anything you debased bluepilled fuck.

[Anonymous No.12251351]

>>12251342
Here is the thing. When researching a subject, and getting an opinion on a subject, you should have already done this already.

[Anonymous No.12251355]

>>12251244
yeah yeah sure genetics but it's better to put effort in studying than not studying at all because muh shit genes

[Anonymous No.12251356]

It’s called being a Jew

[Anonymous No.12251360]

>>12251285
t. Benjamin

[Anonymous No.12251373]

[Anonymous No.12251382]

>>12251220
Prep time. Just like batman.

[Anonymous No.12251383]

>>12251220
He's controlled opposition anon.
He doesn't "come up with counter arguments istantly".
He knows What his """""""""opponents"""""""""" are going to say

[Anonymous No.12251387]

>>12251342
True
Anons—he went to law school, learned informal logic, maybe studied Talmud and argued back and forth over every damn point.
you can all do it

[Anonymous No.12251404]

Why are you trying to debate a lawyer—any decent lawyer can do that
He’s nothing special
He’s not on the Supreme Court
He’s beating up students on YouTube

[Anonymous No.12251408]

>>12251404
i hope hiv will kill all phoneposters.

[Anonymous No.12251409]

>>12251220
Practice
Ted Cruz is much better

[Anonymous No.12251417]

>>12251220
OP, can you tell me what an argument is, in basic terms?
If you can’t, just learn informal logic and you can argue Talmud all damn day

[Anonymous No.12251421]

>>12251332
t. brainlet
keep staying in your pit dumb subhuman

[Anonymous No.12251443]

>>12251356
>>12251373
This is a real book. Lol

[Anonymous No.12251448]

A formal logic textbook can make you quicker at thinking of arguments if you spend time doing the practice problems. Obviously half of being good at arguing is knowing a lot of facts which support or appear to support your point, but no book will give you that kind of encyclopedic knowledge except for maybe an encyclopedia. However, formal logic is practice in the most basic argument forms, and doing some formal logic practice does sharpen your brain for what you're talking about.
The textbook I had for my logic class was Understanding Symbolic Logic by Virginia Klenk, and it was pretty easy to digest on its own. After I walked out of my first logic class, I would often look at my phone and see things on twitter or 4chan that I disagreed with. And for some reason I'd make up arguments against them in my head at a faster speed than before the class. I would even sometimes imagine themselves in Ben Shapiro's voice to make myself giggle. So that's what you're looking for.

[Anonymous No.12251452]

Lit has really been turning into a pol 2 aka a shithole for the last few years.
Years ago there were serious discussions about literature, poetry and philosophy here. Nowadays we have poltards shilling Ben Shapiro, Peterson, Molyneux and whatever shitty political commentator supports their views...
As a matter of fact Tao Lin is a bigger intellectual than Ben Shapiro...

[Anonymous No.12251460]

>>12251452
Imagine this post being read out aloud by a tranny with french accent.

[Anonymous No.12251473]

>>12251255
>the easier it is to revert to dogmatic logical executions
>There's less to work with

This might be true for simple topics, but if you can pull off the same thing on complex subjects, not resorting to emotional points along the way, you aren't doing 'less work'. It's gigantic work.

[Anonymous No.12251474]

>>12251460
Imagine getting in a literature board and seeing threads about one of the worst writers of all time. His book "true allegiance" is literally "fifty shades of gray" level in terms of writing.

[Anonymous No.12251499]

>>12251349
is it from the dad's side or mom's side?

[Anonymous No.12251509]

>>12251342
good post

[Anonymous No.12251510]

>>12251452
>>12251452
>>12251452
/lit/'s not fared well from the influx of /r/T_d refugees a couple of years back. Half these cunts don't even read

people should unironically go back to leleddit

I blame the mods

[Anonymous No.12251512]

>>12251387

[Anonymous No.12251521]

>>12251510
I know, I remember my oldfags time in 1999 when we were all a jolly bunch of proto-leninist lipstick lesbians discussing susan sontag and hannah arendt but then all these old white men from reddit came in. and then when they came for me, there was noone left to speak up for me :(

[Anonymous No.12251531]

>>12251387

Any other books other the one you mentioned?

[Anonymous No.12251533]

>>12251510
if we had a /self-help/ and /youtuber/board the quality of posting on /lit/ would increase exponentially although it would become a slower board.

maybe we could have /lit2/ board or a literature perma-thread (like sffg) for discussion of actual literature

[Anonymous No.12251538]

>>12251510
>>12251510
which period was peak /lit/?

[Anonymous No.12251541]

>>12251538
Unironically 2018

[Anonymous No.12251551]

>>12251521
I remember two or three years ago when the board was slightly on-topic and the quality of contributions was significantly higher.

This place has got so bad that the tripfags have left.

[Anonymous No.12251554]

>>12251538
"peak" is a strong word.
It got worse a couple of years back

[Anonymous No.12251567]

>>12251541
>>12251538
>>12251551

seriously I often see people here circle jerking 'golden /lit/ years', but I went warosu and browsed a lot of posts of 2014, 15, 16, but didn't notice that big of a difference in discussion content or quality of recommendation. Am I not putting in the right search keywords or you guys are just 'muh old times'

[Anonymous No.12251580]

The only people who do that are newfags themselves that try to pass as oldfags. "Passing" as something they're really not is often a very central topic to these people's lives anyway.

[Anonymous No.12251581]

>>12251220
>I am only interested in the aspect of coming up with counter points and articulating them in milliseconds.
What you describe is how half-educated people argue. They are educated enough to have answers ready for any question, but not enough to experience a core value crisis, fall into relativism, have their ego shaken, and become a servant of truth.
As for books, maybe economics? Economists usually have that half-educated smugness that they supposedly understand how the world works

[Anonymous No.12251583]

>>12251531
Get one of the college debate books by a good professor—college debate, informal argumentation are the keywords, or informal logic
I didn’t mention any books except Talmud—reading it the way they do (they argue) is good prep for law school

[Anonymous No.12251607]

>>12251220
You'd just be a regurgitator, bringing nothing new to the table. A small domino knocking down other small dominoes.

[Anonymous No.12251609]

>>12251299
That's some determinist bullshit defeatism right there. It sounds like you're looking for justifications for your own shortcomings in life.

[Anonymous No.12251612]

>>12251567
4channel is less mean. I don't like it

[Anonymous No.12251622]

>>12251220
>have your parents read to you and get you reading yourself from ages 2 - 5
>have your parents organize a reading curriculum in increasing difficulty from age 5 - 18
>from age 15 - 18 participate in competitive high school debate
>go to a t10 undergraduate program in economics or polisci
>score 97%th percentile on lsat
>go to hys law school
>graduate top quartile
>call to bar

you'll be a pretty good debater by then. factor in work experience afterward and you'll be a superstar

[Anonymous No.12251628]

>>12251533
This isn't sexy.
This isn't even cute.
It's like the girl has motor ticks. Sort of 'special' daughter they take her to an event like a baseball game to cheer her up. That's why she is so inexplicably happy. The girl in the in the back right seems exhausted and perhaps partly embarrassed but overjoyed enough to smile knowing her sister, or daughter is having a blast and enjoying being in camera, so none of that decorum matters. It's somewhat sad. So close to being a complete person yet so far.

[Anonymous No.12251636]

>>12251628
>This isn't sexy.
>This isn't even cute.
4channel waifuism in a nutshell

[Anonymous No.12251673]

>>12251220
I cannot think on my feet. At all. It's tragic. I am cognitively unable to verbally improvise beyond basic cliches. It has negatively impacted my ability to do so much. Dating is a struggle, teaching is a struggle, networking is a struggle, directing (what I want to do) is a struggle. Even talking with my friends and family is a struggle. Anxiety seems to play little to no part in the source of the problem though it does exacerbate it. It feels like the way I'm wired. My mom has the same issue. She forgets words in the middle of sentences and ends up replacing them with nonsense.

[Anonymous No.12251712]

He usually debates idiots on topics he's well-informed about, plus he's an American lawyer.

[Anonymous No.12251779]

>>12251220
some sophist shit I would imagine

[Anonymous No.12251831]

>>12251220
God the answers here a dumb as fuck. It's purely down to genetics, some people process faster, some process slower. You can still perform well in anything else if you are intelligent and diligent, but you won't be able to use your intelligence or knowledge this quickly unless you are born this way.

Most often it's just ADHD + high intelligence. Most people find it annoying though.

(I have an iq between 126/131 depending on what you look at, and ADHD, life is not so great. On the contrary I think everyone has it better than me, mentally and intellectually that is...)

[Anonymous No.12251857]

>>12251220
You want a book that teaches you how to be glib? Why?

[Anonymous No.12252006]

Talk fast and have prepared schemas for auto-interpreting various categories of argument.

[Anonymous No.12252015]

>>12251244
>all because you were not born ashkenazi jewish or an upper class anglo-saxon
literally the scum of the earth hahaha what the fuck is wrong with you? respect yourself

[Anonymous No.12252049]

>>12251342
This, just hand-write a casefile about whatever argument you want to win OP. It's how trial lawyers / competitive debators / politicians do it, and they're the guys who earn money based on literal autistic point scoring

[Anonymous No.12252082]

[Anonymous No.12252099]

>>12252082
hard kek

[Anonymous No.12252109]

>>12252082
to be fair, he hates those kind of reposts because hurting somebody's feeling is more like a side effect than his aim.

[Anonymous No.12252112]

>>12252082
Ben is a pornstar.

[Anonymous No.12252133]

>>12251673
>Anxiety seems to play little to no part in the source of the problem
Holy fucking cow how can you be so clueless. It's the corner stone of every symptom you describe. Solve the anxiety and you solve your life (easier said than done).
I have had a one or two glimpses of anxiety free life in the past and it felt like I had hit +50 iq points.

[Anonymous No.12252141]

>>12252133
But I have no anxiety. Stop projecting your mental illness on others.

[Anonymous No.12252166]

>>12252049
I was under the impression that the smart-assedness of lawyers is only for show and directed at their clients to convince them they are in good hands.
When it comes to actual decisions you have the letter of the law and another similar trained person (judge) that isn't an impressionable outsider.
You can't score points with autism in a court room

[Anonymous No.12252186]

>>12252141
I think you have anon. It is the very insidious and pure kind that doesn't manifest in real world neuroses and panic attacks but acts like an undercurrent of your whole experience.
You are afraid of something, the same thing your mom is afraid of.

[Anonymous No.12252193]

>>12251244
>all because you were not born ashkenazi jewish or an upper class anglo-saxon
same thing

[Anonymous No.12252223]

>>12251831
ADHD + high IQ certainly does not guarantee quick-witted responses. has more to do with my mood and my preparation than anything else. when I feel more present, its easy. when I'm feeling tired, foggy, or generally uninspired, then it's difficult.

[Anonymous No.12252229]

>>12252186
This post is the kind of CBT invoked retardation that has cracked the modern world.

[Anonymous No.12252234]

>>12252141
>>12252186
>I think you have anon. It is the very insidious and pure kind that doesn't manifest in real world neuroses and panic attacks but acts like an undercurrent of your whole experience.
>You are afraid of something, the same thing your mom is afraid of.
This. Anxiety doesn't mean you have physical symptoms of fear all the time. You probably have had low-grade but chronic anxiety from second-guessing yourself your whole life. It's very easy to think you're a slow thinker when you have such a burden interrupting every thought pattern you make.

[Anonymous No.12252240]

>>12252229
>t. lonely freudian left behind by humanity

[Anonymous No.12252264]

>>12252229
I despise CBT you retard. You can't even comprehend a simple 4chan post

[Anonymous No.12252286]

>>12252229
The post is actually Freudian. CBT can't understand anxiety without a very obvious present trigger. They need those triggers to apply their methods on to. A behaviorist would never admit there is subtle all pervading anxiety that goes all the way back to the first years of someone's life.

[Anonymous No.12252299]

>>12252264
What the fuck are you going on about you dribbling retard? Your thinking is infected with shallow psychiatric myths.

[Anonymous No.12252309]

>>12252286
Its neither CBT or Freudian, its just plain stupid.

[Anonymous No.12252316]

>>12252240
Who are you quoting

[Anonymous No.12252333]

>>12252234
>>12252186
>I have a problem verbally articulating myself
>u gut angziitee anon
>I don't. I almost never feel anxious
>n-no u-u do b-but u dont realize it!!
Christ, why do I bother with you pseuds.

[Anonymous No.12252374]

>>12252299
>>12252309
>it's all in your head bro
>just think happy thoughts
>maybe you like being depressed/anxious/hearing voices
>I was depressed once for 2 weeks and I am better now therefore you are weak and seek attention

>>12252333
Digits checked but you are willfully ignorant and that's because you want the to evade the anxiety source. (Denial)

[Anonymous No.12252382]

>>12252374
You must be mentally ill for all the sense you're making.

[Anonymous No.12252384]

>>12252186
>>12252234
How does one overcome this kind of anxiety?

I don't think drugs are a solution as even alcohol or cocaine hardly help me

[Anonymous No.12252387]

>>12252374
>y-you're just in denial!!
The perfect retard get-out clause.

[Anonymous No.12252390]

>>12252384
You can't, it doesn't exist.

[Anonymous No.12252414]

>>12251250
You idiot.

[Anonymous No.12252443]

>>12252384
1. Sublimate it into art or some other honest connection to the world. You bypass the faulty attachment and create one you like

2. Find someone to act like a mommy to you so you can repair the primordial damage. Psychologist, a waifu, or an older man like those in ancient Greece are good candidates.

[Anonymous No.12252447]

>>12251220
someone post his sister

[Anonymous No.12252484]

>>12251244
>good at physics
>jewish physics is all theoretical tricks

[Anonymous No.12252498]

>>12252447
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[Anonymous No.12252569]

>>12251220
You have to keep in mind that he's mostly arguing with people who fail at basic common sense logic.
He's still good, though.

[Anonymous No.12253190]

>>12251220
Practice coming up with counterpoints. Arguements largely follow similar structures and there are only so many objections regardless of the counterpoint. I did high school debate and got a feel for this stuff. You end up not caring at all about what's being said and just using argument framework jargon. Real life arguments are messier but they work the same way. Get a humanities education and write a lot. It's not hard.

[Anonymous No.12253208]

>>12251628
>decorum
>fetishizing loneliness

you're a faggot

[Anonymous No.12253294]

>>12251332
The hitch here is that fags like you aren't able to put their minds to things. So while it can be true, it requires the will part.

[Anonymous No.12253499]

the first thing you should do is realize that substantial and meaningful insights can't be articulated in brief vocal conversation anymore.
also most grown ups in this world aren't aware these debates about transvestites and moslems in which he 'pwns' even take place or exist.

[Anonymous No.12253512]

>>12251255
The following quote was attributed to Abraham Lincoln, though I know not if this is factual:
>It used to be that I knew a little but could spin a lot. Now, it seems that I know too much and I can't make out any patterns.
I believe this fits your premise.

[Anonymous No.12253559]

>>12252498

[Anonymous No.12253568]

Eat some alphabet noodles and shit them out. Smear that shit on anyone you claim is a "sjw" or "liberal." You are now Shapiro-tier.

Fucking Americans.

[Anonymous No.12253589]

>>12253512
Honest and abepilled

[Anonymous No.12253664]

>>12251250
Virgil is the guide, not Dante.

[Anonymous No.12253668]

>>12252229
what does cock and ball torture have to do with quips?

[Anonymous No.12253763]

>>12251220
Literally the Talmud.

[Anonymous No.12253945]

>>12253668
ecksdee ecksdee hehehe lel.

[Anonymous No.12254317]

>>12251220
He doesn't, he just gets prepped with fact lists and tries to prod his opponents.

[Anonymous No.12254322]

>>12254317
What I'm saying is: hire a prep team.

[Anonymous No.12254334]

Find a given issue you care about and immerse yourself in the canon surrounding it

It is actually really easy to make yourself appear smarter than others by finding a niche area to be expert in and engineer conflicts that allow you to use it

[Anonymous No.12254502]

>>12251236
This. But also a lot of practice for speaking fast.
>>12254317
I doubt he preps much even, he just memorized a bunch of factoids and myths once and the respective base questions which these counter.
His main method is to strike with a lengty but quick succesion of these factoids so that his opponents become confused and unable to actually remember his words clearly enough to formulate a counter argument to any particular point.

[Anonymous No.12254949]

>>12254502
I have not actually seen his work. Is he the "baffle them with bullshit" type.

[Anonymous No.12254987]

>>12251236
>The Art of being right
The ultimate book of trolling.

The Extension (Dana's Law)
The Homonymy
Generalize Your Opponent's Specific Statements
Conceal Your Game
False Propositions
Postulate What Has to Be Proved
Yield Admissions Through Questions
Make Your Opponent Angry
Questions in Detouring Order
Take Advantage of the Nay-Sayer
Generalize Admissions of Specific Cases
Choose Metaphors Favourable to Your Proposition
Agree to Reject the Counter-Proposition
Claim Victory Despite Defeat
Use Seemingly Absurd Propositions
Arguments Ad Hominem
Defense Through Subtle Distinction
Interrupt, Break, Divert the Dispute
Generalize the Matter, Then Argue Against it
Draw Conclusions Yourself
Meet Him With a Counter-Argument as Bad as His
Petitio principii
Make Him Exaggerate His Statement
State a False Syllogism
Find One Instance to the Contrary
Turn the Tables
Anger Indicates a Weak Point
Persuade the Audience, Not the Opponent
Diversion
Appeal to Authority Rather Than Reason
This Is Beyond Me
Put His Thesis into Some Odious Category
It Applies in Theory, but Not in Practice
Don't Let Him Off the Hook
Will Is More Effective Than Insight
Bewilder Your opponent by Mere Bombast
A Faulty Proof Refutes His Whole Position
Become Personal, Insulting, Rude (argumentum ad personam)

[Anonymous No.12255091]

Do Americans go to law school after an undergraduate degree? Here in the UK, law is an undergraduate degree.

[Anonymous No.12255126]

>>12251404
>>12251409
This. How can you faggots don't realize this is called being a decent LAWYER? ffs. They teach debate in Law School, or at least they arreange multiple debates.

[Anonymous No.12255134]

>>12255091
What's an "undergraduate" degree? Here in Latin America you either study to become a lawyer or you don't. There aren't minor leagues.

[Anonymous No.12255154]

>>12255134
Same here in Europe it's a standard 4 year degree
>>12255126
Respectable schools don't teach cheap parlor tricks

[Anonymous No.12255171]

>>12255134
>>12255154
Undergraduate as in a bachelor's degree. I ask because I've seen people on /lit/ boast that philosophy majors have the highest acceptance rates for law schools. Over here, most people would go straight to law school.

[Anonymous No.12255218]

>>12255126
>They teach debate in Law School
An amateur shitposter that loves his trade will eat most lawyers alive. If you want to see a master deconstruct a witness then take a look at some of the youtube footage available of cases where Marc J. Victor defended righteous causes. He is a master. Most fall short.