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12247774 No.12247774 [Reply] [Original]

Was Ray Bradbury disturbingly correct in his dystopia?

I know it's easy to correlate a connection between Orwell's 1984 and Huxley's BNW but having not read those books in a long time and recently coming across 451 i'm now of the opinion how much more accurate his assumption of human nature, technology and the fear of education is. It's a lot less subtle in its theme but for the time the connections are fairly accurate. Now is this just me connecting unrelated experiences with the characters or was his pretty fucking right?

>> No.12247788

>>12247774
Totally, it’s the state that suppressing our ability to access information and the life altering and transformative effects of literature. Just as Bradbury predicted, books are burned on mass and are soon to become illegal. Huxley was wrong in thinking that the ubiquity of technology and the rise of materialism and materialistic reductions of the human spirit to brain chemicles would lead us to becoming a bunch of tech-addicted zombies taking pills to make us feel happy. Bradbury was totally more on point, and Fahrenheit 451 is a literary masterpiece. I found especially compelling chief Beaty’s ham-fisted rants about “society”. Good work OP, glad to see you’re reading great literature with a critical eye and sharing your thoughts with fellow intellectuals. Don’t let the state burn your books and stop you from thinking.

>> No.12248058

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>> No.12248671

Is Fahrenheit 451 worth a read?

>>12248058
Based and somapilled

>> No.12248761

>>12247774
on a slightly unrelated note, boy was this book poorly written
it's like an edgy 13yo with boomer mentality shitting on "this darn society" while barely knowing how to write
is it supposed to read like YA shit?

>> No.12249034

>>12248671
eh yeah probably but its far weaker than BNW or 1984

>> No.12249073

>>12248671
Hell, it'd probably be better to read one of the proto versions of 451 if you just want a feel of it and spare some pages.

>> No.12249082

>>12249034
I found BNW to be extremely weak as just literature (prose, characterisation, etc.) but it's redeemed by its interesting ideas.

>>12249073
What do you mean by proto versions?

>> No.12249125

>>12249082
He published a couple of stories pre-451 that were pretty much just drafts. I think they're called Long After Midnight and the Firemen. The Firemen, is the first of the three I think. It was published in one of the first editions of Galaxy magazine in the 50's.

>> No.12249168

>>12249082
yeah I totally agree anon I don't rate BNW very highly at all but in comparison to F451 its far stronger

>> No.12249216

>>12249168
1984 though is way better than BNW. Is isn't 'Great Literature' but it's very flashed out, has decent prose and a nice story.

>> No.12249283

BNW should be more valued because of its ideas regarding how one cannot escape a society who has no value other than what is acceptable to it. It might be encouraged by society to become more intellectual but only in the utilitarian sciences. I feel that the subtlety that BNW expects is a great deal more terrifying because we might have these heavy fisted people attempting to crush knowledge without lying about their intentions but if the population is docile and material enough not to care they won't need subtlety. Of course the subtlety of the cult of reason so important to intellectuals will serve as a gateway to militant crushing of knowledge but that is derivative of systems set in place.