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[Anonymous No.12245308]

There literally no (0) reason for you not to be a traditional Catholic and a fascist after reading these books.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Axj0peOiQ0

[Anonymous No.12245311]

>>12245308
Reality is a pretty good reason not to

[Anonymous No.12245313]

>>12245308
>There literally no (0) reason

Well what if they didn't convince me

[Anonymous No.12245316]

>>12245311
Could you please elaborate ?

[Anonymous No.12245317]

>>12245308
We've seen what happens when you let Catholics run a society, don't want to go back to that

[Anonymous No.12245338]

Jesus' messages of love, peace, compassion, and unrewarded good acts stand against collectivism, exclusivism, and authoritarianism.

"5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God." - Matthew 5:5-9

"Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do." - Luke 23:34

[Anonymous No.12245354]

>>12245308
You Are Gay

[Anonymous No.12245369]

>>12245308
Post hoc, propter hoc is the reactionary’s profession of faith. His story begins with a happy, well-ordered state where people who know their place live in harmony and submit to tradition and their God. Then alien ideas promoted by intellectuals—writers, journalists, professors—challenge this harmony and the will to maintain order weakens at the top. (The betrayal of elites is the linchpin of every reactionary story.) A false consciousness soon descends on the society as a whole as it willingly, even joyfully, heads for destruction. Only those who have preserved memories of the old ways see what is happening. Whether the society reverses direction or rushes to its doom depends entirely on their resistance. The reactionary mind is a shipwrecked mind. Where others see the river of time flowing as it always has, the reactionary sees the debris of paradise drifting past his eyes. He is time’s exile. The revolutionary sees the radiant future invisible to others and it electrifies him. The reactionary, immune to modern lies, sees the past in all its splendour and he too is electrified. He feels himself in a stronger position than his adversary because he believes he is the guardian of what actually happened, not the prophet of what might be." --Mark Lilla, The Shipwrecked Mind

[Anonymous No.12245375]

>>12245338
>Jesus' messages of love, peace, compassion, and unrewarded good acts stand against collectivism
Do they now?

[Anonymous No.12245377]

>>12245338
>love
Charity*
There is a huge qualitative difference between these two things.
>peace
That does not make Jesus Christ a pacifist, since He said : "Do not think that I came to send peace upon earth: I came not to send peace, but the sword." (Mt. 10, 34).
Violence and the virtue of Fortitude sometimes are needed.
>compassion
That does not exclude Justice.

>stand against (...) authoritarianism.
Define it, because strong authority (as long as it's not trespassing on the Church's terrain) was never seen as bad by essence by Christ and His Church.

>"Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do." - Luke 23:34
I know that I am a sinner.
I don't really get how it can be related to the OP though.

>>12245369
Good thing I'm not a reactionary.

>>12245375
Tolstoi was so heretic he was excommuniated even by schismatics.

[Anonymous No.12245419]

>>12245375
Yes, "christian collectivism" is fundamentally different to fascist collectivism which seeks to violently differentiate itself between nation and race.
Hating the non-christians or discriminating against races and nations violates the love for your enemy which in the fascist collective is supposed tobe hated to strengthen identity.

[Anonymous No.12245433]

>>12245377
>catholic monarchist in 2018
>not a reactionary

[Anonymous No.12245435]

I just recently started considering segregation and totalitarism as good options. Any book that would introduce me to these concepts or make me change my mind?

[Anonymous No.12245442]

>>12245377
>Mt. 10, 34
Does not preach violence.

[Anonymous No.12245455]

>>12245419
>discriminating against races and nations violates the love for your enemy
???
>From Latin discrīminātiō, discrīminātiōnem, the action noun to discrīminō, discrīmināre (“distinguish”).
When you say there is a Truth and there is lies, you discriminate.
When you say that a nation has an existence and a right to keep its identity, there is discrimination. What is wrong about protecting your kind ? Charity is ordained, and the State can discriminate humanely.

[Anonymous No.12245457]

>>12245308
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnrT7yZEV-g
https://nationalvanguard.org/2010/10/on-christianity/
https://nationalvanguard.org/2018/06/christianity-a-religion-for-sheep/

[Anonymous No.12245461]

>>12245419
You said just collectivism though

[Anonymous No.12245476]

>>12245308
There's a good reason, which is, I'm not an incel

[Anonymous No.12245484]

>>12245455
>You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’[a] 39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. 40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well.
>Matthew 5:38-40

[Anonymous No.12245488]

>>12245461
We're clearly talking about the political fascist interpretation of collectivism here.
This is a thread about fascism, so don't play dumb.

[Anonymous No.12245522]

>>12245484
Are you a Protestant ? If so, I will stop talking to you since you probably interpret the Bible in a way that would make all war, coercition and punitive justice forbidden, which is nonsense.

[Anonymous No.12245531]

>>12245455
Historically fascism has tried to deny other nations' rights to identity, culture and existence, fascist ideology projects and protects its perceived identity by discrimination and destruction of other national identities.
I fail to see your point.

[Anonymous No.12245538]

>>12245308
> Faurisson
> Rhyssen
> Celine's pamphlets

is that even legal in france?

[Anonymous No.12245539]

>>12245377
how is HELL this time of year?

[Anonymous No.12245546]

>>12245457
le ripe for islam white nationalist man

[Anonymous No.12245557]

>>12245522
Great job at making a non-argument.

[Anonymous No.12245563]

>>12245522
No. How would you interpret that? It seems pretty literal to me

[Anonymous No.12245569]

>>12245433
Here's why (ty google translate)

"Since time is in fact circular, it is not in the past that the present must be measured with in order to prepare for the future, it is by the extreme of the future (the concept of what is ideally to be realized) which is also the origin of the past, which thereby assumes the past only by revising it.
When the present is decadent (and such is the sad condition of our times), it is natural that we tend, in the reactionary mode, to return to the past, because illness is a corruption of a health that is presupposed; reaction is opposed to progressivism, which dreams of an infinite linear movement designating a necessary progress when compared to the past. But the reactionary spirit opposes progressivism only by adopting the same postulate, namely the linear conception of time ("it was always better before"), and as such it is the partner in crime of progressivism. To return to the past to ward off the catastrophe of a future potentially contained in a decadent present would re-engage the process of giving birth to this present decay. The proper method of promoting real progress, then, is not to return to the past as a paradigm - thus to a past that needs to be made present again - but to return to the past in a critical perspective, namely to make present only what was timeless within the past, and to what the past itself was inadequate (if it had been adequate for it, it would not have given birth to a decaying present), in order to promote a future which, at any distance from progressivism, is inscribed in the "telos" of a return to Origin (the concept of what has to be, first in intention and ultimate in execution), which, far from the reactionary spirit (sacralization of the past as past), is ablative of temporality itself and of the past. It is not because this shifting, collective, historical reality, which is France, has become aware of what it is meant to be only in and through its history, that its past history should be taken as the proper expression of his concept."

[Anonymous No.12245597]

>>12245531
It was attacked, it just defended itself.

>>12245539
?

>>12245457
Cringe. Learn French and read the material in this chart.
Read that too against paganistic stupidity
http://anti-mythes.blogspot.com/2013/05/la-querelle-du-paganisme-et-du.html

>>12245538
Not Faurisson, but the rest is.

>>12245563
I interpret that as it is to be interpreted. No vendetta, charity and love for agressors when I am attacked. That doesn't mean I can't use self-defense.

Also,
«Vengeance consists in the infliction of a penal evil on one who has sinned. Accordingly, in the matter of vengeance, we must consider the mind of the avenger. For if his intention is directed chiefly to the evil of the person on whom he takes vengeance and rests there, then his vengeance is altogether unlawful: because to take pleasure in another's evil belongs to hatred, which is contrary to the charity whereby we are bound to love all men. Nor is it an excuse that he intends the evil of one who has unjustly inflicted evil on him, as neither is a man excused for hating one that hates him: for a man may not sin against another just because the latter has already sinned against him, since this is to be overcome by evil, which was forbidden by the Apostle, who says (Rm. 12:21): "Be not overcome by evil, but overcome evil by good."
If, however, the avenger's intention be directed chiefly to some good, to be obtained by means of the punishment of the person who has sinned (for instance that the sinner may amend, or at least that he may be restrained and others be not disturbed, that justice may be upheld, and God honored), then vengeance may be lawful, provided other due circumstances be observed.
(...)
« The good bear with the wicked by enduring patiently, and in due manner, the wrongs they themselves receive from them: but they do not bear with them as to endure the wrongs they inflict on God and their neighbor. For Chrysostom [*Cf. Opus Imperfectum, Hom. v in Matth., falsely ascribed to St. Chrysostom] says: "It is praiseworthy to be patient under our own wrongs, but to overlook God's wrongs is most wicked." »

[Anonymous No.12245608]

>>12245316
he has nothing to elaborate he is just a Jew who pretends to be fighter of justice and reason. But they don't believe in justice and reason. By their fruits we shall know from what tree it cometh

[Anonymous No.12245614]

>>12245308
Christianity is a joke religion and persecution of Catholics is good

[Anonymous No.12245627]

>>12245597
It’s nice to see how you live secured in your little bubble where you are king of your own reality.
Also jews didn't do shit, just to unveil who your "agressor" truly is.

[Anonymous No.12245691]

>>12245597
>If, however, the avenger's intention be directed chiefly to some good, to be obtained by means of the punishment of the person who has sinned (for instance that the sinner may amend, or at least that he may be restrained and others be not disturbed, that justice may be upheld, and God honored), then vengeance may be lawful, provided other due circumstances be observed.
This could be used to legitimise anything.

[Anonymous No.12245721]

>>12245308
is there a bio of joseph merel somewhere, i cant find anything about him on wikipedia

[Anonymous No.12245736]

>>12245308
http://www.reconquistapress.com/books.html

what the fuck is this pseudo-intellectual bullshit

[Anonymous No.12245744]

>>12245736
kek scottish publisher that publishes in french

talk about larping

[Anonymous No.12245747]

>>12245691
No, because Aquinas' doctrine on morals, politics and justice is all but vague.
The quote here is part of a much bigger whole that needs to be taken into account in order to avoid any kind of machiavelism.

Of course there has to be adaptations to the very country where his doctrine is to be applied (since there are customs), but the guidelines stay the same.

[Anonymous No.12245774]

>>12245308
>Gee, change sure is stressful. Let's cling to outdated social conventions and obsolete conceptions of the universe.

[Anonymous No.12245782]

>>12245774
They're not even outdated. It's just some wierd aestheticism harking back to the far-right of 1920s France

[Anonymous No.12245815]

>>12245721
It's an alias.
He's a French philosopher. Trad Catholic.
Has a PhD and has an associate (professeur agrégé) degree in phil.
Specialist in thomism, hegelianism and the problem of nature/grace.
He was an associate of 2 big names of francophone revisionism, namely V. Reynouard, and P. Maximin it seems.
Both of these are national-socialists too, and also Catholics (Reynouard is no longer one though).

What he does is basically a historical defense of fascism and nazism as the only Christian answer to communism and liberalism, plus the doctrinal purification of these historical experiences through thomism, and a deepening of thomism with hegelian and schmittian elements (namely : organicism and ontological reflexion).
Also, critical reflexions on traditional movements of the French right (maurrassism, legitimism, neopaganism), and on modernistic movements (Lubac and "Radical Orthodoxy").

[Anonymous No.12245829]

>>12245736
>>12245744
Nice argument here, I guess you read Merel in order to be able to do such deep critiques.

[Anonymous No.12245830]

>>12245815
>thomism with hegelian and schmittian elements
y tho

[Anonymous No.12245858]

>>12245830
Because smol aporias in thomism led to big ole problems according to him, and because even the most nocive philosophies can contain a captive truth.
Thing is that, the explanations are very speculative and metaphysical and I'm too brainlet to understand it a, but he's quite pedagogical in Fascisme et monarchie as to "how to use Hegel as a Catholic, and why ?".

[Anonymous No.12247355]

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[Anonymous No.12247363]

>>12245308
Les rois ont fait la France, elle se défait sans roi.

[Anonymous No.12247440]

>>12245338
In order to secure a future for the meek and helpless you must build a society of the Strong and the virtuous
A society of the weak is a parasitic abusive entity

[Anonymous No.12247446]

>>12245308
So this is the actual state of contemporary fascism

[Anonymous No.12247530]

>>12247440
A+ doublethink

[Anonymous No.12247538]

>>12245308
they are all in some silly monkey language, no thanks

[Anonymous No.12247927]

>>12247446
Jolly lads.

[Anonymous No.12248637]

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[Anonymous No.12249546]

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[Anonymous No.12249561]

>>12245308
>c*tholic
>NatSoc/Fascism
Pick one and only one, faggot.

[Anonymous No.12249621]

Can't we just have the Catholicism without the fascism? I just want a nice Catholic confessor state that carves out a special role for the Church in the form of a concordat and which professes Christ as king in its constitution. Is that so much to ask?

[Anonymous No.12249637]

read Jean Borella for traditionalist catholicism

[Anonymous No.12249653]

>>12249621
>Is that so much to ask?
It would hard enough to convince people we need to abandon votes and democracy in favour of monarchy, let alone a monarchy with a religious structure.

[Anonymous No.12249681]

>>12249561
>no source
Every single time there's an "Hitler was antichristian" quote, there's no source, or a secondary one.
If it's Rauschning, it has been debunked in the 80s. If it's Bormann, Skorzeny contradicts it and there is then no reason to take into account these supposed "secret quotes" that oppose EVERYTHING Hitler said in his 2 books (MK and Zweites Buch) and in the ENTIRERTY of his speeches.

Mein Kampf contains two sentences that are problematic for a Christian, which is quite ok for a book this long.
Mein Kampf was not put in the Index.
As soon as 1933, Hitler signed a concordate with the Holy See.
Hitler was against Rosenberg's thesis (see Timothy W. Ryback Hitler's Private Library)
There were more than 2000 churches built or rebuilt during the IIIrd Reich, and bus lines for soldiers to go to the Mass on sundays.
The first procession of Corpus Christi since the foundation of Prussia happened in 1933.
There were massive processions even during the war.
Priests in concentration camps were treated nicely (according to Paul Berben in the very official "Dachau: The official history"), there were even processions in the camps.
And so on, and so on.

Pic related, a painting dating from 1915 by Hitler.

[Anonymous No.12249688]

>>12249637
>gnosticism
No thanks I don't like heresy.

>>12249621
People will call you a fascist anyway.
Why reject a whole doctrinal block that contains the elements that monarchy lacked in order to survive (organicism especially) ?

[Anonymous No.12249693]

>>12245522
This war is hella based, all catholics should want a holy war my dudes. Deus vult :)

[Anonymous No.12249850]

but i like having my boipussy pounded

[Anonymous No.12249931]

>>12245308
>Catholic
Yes
>Facist
No
Fascism is an evil and degenerate ideology. A case could still be made for Franco and Salazar being since I don´t associate with typical Italian fascism and Nazism if that is what you mean tho, but yeah, Fascism is still bullshit.

[Anonymous No.12250055]

>>12249931
>Fascism is an evil and degenerate ideology
That's why I advice people to read books instead of reacting like this with no foundations.

For example, the book "Une encyclique singulière sous le IIIe Reich" shows
-that Mit brennender Sorge is not condemned by the Church (based cardinal Pacelli's response to Ambassador von Bergen, from 30 April 1937),
-that the religious life was flourishing under the IIIrd Reich
-that the clergy supported it,
-that it bore good fruits even in the battlefields (chivalrous spirit, for example by saving their opponents in the Laconia incident, or the help the nazis provided to save the Monte Cassino library and relics, or making a truce to heal their opponents instead of massacring them during the Battle of Arnhem [in 1944 !]).

And to that, you have to add so much resource that Catholics never hear about or never want to hear about since they made nazism and fascism a sort of repulsive idol representing all that has to be fought.

A Catholic ought to search for TRUTH instead of staying in a criminal (lying and especially lying to yourself is a crime) comfort zone.

[Anonymous No.12250063]

>>12250055
>that Mit brennender Sorge is not condemned by the Church
My bad.
read : That nazism is not condemned by the Church in Mit brennender Sorge*

[Anonymous No.12250143]

>>12250063
(No equivoque here, several things were condemned, but not national-socialism in its essence, like Unam Sanctam didn't condemn monarchy but some excesses only.)

[Anonymous No.12250165]

>>12245308
>>12250055
we will never support you mate, but we can still be allies since clerofascism is bro tier
you have a promise that you're the last one inquisition will go after

[Anonymous No.12250177]

>>12250055
>>12250063
The Vatican has formally condemned fascism. Just accept it. Fascism is dead.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non_abbiamo_bisogno

[Anonymous No.12250299]

>>12250177
I see no condemnation of fascism in NAB, as I see no condemnation of national-socialism in MBS.
I see the Holy See condemning things accidental (as opposed to essential) to fascism and nat-soc, namely : pagan cliques in high ranks trying to influence the regime in an antichristian way, and violations of the Concordate.

Find me (about fascism and nazism) a sentence as clear as this one from Divini Redemptoris :
« Communism is intrinsically wrong, and no one who would save Christian civilization may collaborate with it in any undertaking whatsoever. »
There is nothing like that concerning fascism and nazism.

[Anonymous No.12250382]

No lmao. Church officially condemn fascism

[Anonymous No.12250395]

other charts in french

[Anonymous No.12250406]

>>12250177
>acknowledging the Vatican
cuck

[Anonymous No.12250416]

[Anonymous No.12250486]

>>12250299
>see the Holy See condemning things accidental (as opposed to essential) to fascism and nat-soc
It condemns the hard statism of fascism, which you can hardly say is "accidental"

[Anonymous No.12250504]

Nice spooks nerd.

[Anonymous No.12250562]

>>12250504
based and stirnerpilled

[Anonymous No.12250581]

>>12245308
Except for the fact that Roman Catholic theology is heretical and fascism is a modern secular ideology.

[Anonymous No.12250593]

>>12245608
You do realise that OP believes in Judaism + Christ?

[Anonymous No.12250609]

>>12245377
>"Do not think that I came to send peace upon earth: I came not to send peace, but the sword."
Taking this completely out of context. This was said as a metaphor for what he goes on to explain, creating shism between the believers and nonbelievers. Breaking families and communities through belief. Nothing about violence there. You're one of those earless people Jesus always mentioned, you are a tare in the wheat.

[Anonymous No.12250653]

>French catholic trad Nazis
Kek you mean the ones who impersonate Church officials and are de facto excommunicated? Why not just LARP as a Cathar?

[Anonymous No.12250759]

>>12245369
>alien ideas promoted by (((intellectuals)))

[Anonymous No.12251262]

>>12250653
>what is Summorum Pontificum
>what is the annulation of SSPX bishops' excommunication in 2009

>>12250486
>muh statism is bad
READ KONINCK in order to understand the primacy of the Common Good.
https://emmilco.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/de-koninck-common-good.pdf

I give advices on which books to read, but you only give me memetic answers with NO GROUND other than "I saw on tv that fascism is bad ew no to hard state ewwww how dare you be one, or you resort to Encyclicals you clearly don't understand (maybe you've not even read it ?).
I get that you want to be self-righteous and rigid in politics, but if you want to be serious, even in your critiques, you have to be a bit more truth-loving and aware of what was going on in Italy and Germany.
Which regimes are strictly forbidden to praise nowadays ?
The IIIrd Reich and Fascist Italy. Why, if they were so bad ?

About the "statism", see Aquinas on politics :
« every part is directed to the whole, as imperfect to perfect, wherefore every part is naturally for the sake of the whole. (...)
every individual person is compared to the whole community, as part to whole. »
(ST, IIa IIae, q.64 a2)
«the whole of man is directed as to his end to the whole of the community of which he is a part »
(ST, IIa IIae, q.65 a1)

« the highest among all human goods, (...) the common good, (...) is better and more divine than the good of one individual »
(Commentary on Aristotle's Politics)

[Anonymous No.12251282]

>>12245308
>>12245308
>>12245308

Stop adopting certain beliefs that justify your incel existence you pitiful faggot.

[Anonymous No.12251291]

>>12245308
>anarcho-fascism
>catholic fascism
Is there anything you fucking faggots don't ruin? I second this anon >>12251282

[Anonymous No.12251294]

>>12245308
There is 1 (one) reason for me to not be a catholic fascist: I'm not a gigantic fucking ass.

[Anonymous No.12251343]

>>12245815
>and also Catholics (Reynouard is no longer one though).

what went wrong?

[Anonymous No.12251429]

>>12251343
Idk, Mérel (Stepinac) wrote an article about that in pic related but I didn't read it.

[Anonymous No.12251507]

>>12251291
Misciatelli, Châteaubriant, Mérel and Maximin all show the compatibility of fascism and Catholicism.

I'm not fond of anarchists, and anarcho-fascism is a contradiction in terms, so I feel you.

[Anonymous No.12251513]

>>12249850
Good for you, anon. Resist these bigots.

[Anonymous No.12251902]

>french
>catholicism
>fascism
It's like they're trying to combine all the worst elements of humanity into one ideology.

[Anonymous No.12251906]

>>12250406
crypto-protestant