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Tell me about Marquis de Sade.

It is worth it? or just degenerate BS?

>> No.12239837

read it and find out, faggot

>> No.12239839

His works are repugnant, sadistic pornography having absolutely no measure of restraint.
His philosophy is essentially the same as that of Aristippus.
There is nothing actually good about his writings.

>> No.12239866

>>12239839
His prose in works outisde of 120 days of sodom has actually p good romantic prose, read The Self-made Cuckold for instance.

Also he is good to introduce to you the heartbreaking idea that human beings are all ultimately evil, and you can read all his books subconsciously ignoring how invested you are in all the sex and cruelty (like the story of a girl who is being manipulated by her father and uncle into the idea of complete sexual openness and the freedom to do whatever you want if it feels good no matter what the consequences and at the end of it when her mother comes over to rescue her she tells her mother that she hates her and wants to keep fucking and they let a servant with syphilis rape the mother and then sew up her vagina with his diseased semen in it) and then reflect and be fucking disgusted at humanity and human nature and at de sade, knowing he too was a degenerate, but then finding out that he actually did have love for his family and goodness in him and that he wasnt in reality all for complete sexual freedom or his ideas that murder should be legal if you enjoy doing it etc.

120 days of sodom is unreadable for the most part, just a list of fetishes and very dry descriptions of cruelty like:

>A great connoisseur of arses and flogging summons a mother and daughter: he tells the daughter that if she does not agree to have both her hands cut off he will kill her mother; the little girl agrees and they are indeed cut off; he then separates these two creatures, stringing the girl up by the neck with her feet perched on a stool; tied around the stool is a another cord that leads into another room, where the mother is held; the mother is told to pull the cord – she does so without knowing what she is doing; she is promptly shown the fruits of her labour and as she is overcome with despair she is felled by a sabre to the back of the head.

Terrible book he wrote in prison just to have something whack off to

>> No.12239920

>>12239866
This all sounds creative as fuck to be quite honest

>> No.12239931

>>12239866
that is great, i have separated 120 days of sodom to read soon, is it a good starting point to de sade's works in general?

>> No.12239936

>>12239920
Yeah his works are actually pretty good like i said and his prose is good but 120 days sucks and if you like that passage i quoted from the book then, well, read that and enjoy it but i will strongly disagree that its creative or good lit

>> No.12239943

>>12239931
Not very, youll prob like it as a book but its surprisingly dry compared to the rest of his ouvreeraur

>> No.12240098

>>12239931
No, get the Oxford Misfortunes of Virtue. It has some of his short stories too

>> No.12240109

read justine and julliette, you can skip most of the rest though

>> No.12240142

"Yes, I am a libertine(1), I admit it freely. I have dreamed of doing everything that it is possible to dream of in that line. But I most certainly have not done all the things I dreamt of and never shall. Libertine I may be, but I am not a criminal, I am not a murderer." Marquis de Sade (1781)

>> No.12240168

A letter from De Sade in prison

To Madame de Montreuil
[End of February 1777]

>Of all the possible forms revenge and cruelty could assume, you must agree, Madame, that you have indeed chosen the most horrifying of all. Having come to Paris to bid farewell to my mother, who was breathing her last, with no other thought in mind than to see her and embrace her one last time, if indeed she were still alive, or to mourn her if she were not, 'twas that very moment you chose to make me your victim once again! Alas! I asked you in my first letter whether I would find in you a second mother or a tyrant, but you have not left me in doubt for more than a trice! Is it thus that you repay me for having wiped away your tears when you lost the father you cherished? And did you not find at that trying time my heart as sensitive to your grief as it was to my own?

Guy was a sweetheart as well

>> No.12240228

“No lover, if sincere and in good faith, will deny he would prefer to see his mistress dead than unfaithful.”
- De Sade

Pretty based

>> No.12240232

>>12239720
>It is worth it? or just degenerate BS?

Both, anon. Both.

>> No.12240245

>>12240142
>but I am not a criminal
Well there was that time he locked himself up in his estate with a bunch of young girls (and one boy) over the winter... and all those other sex crimes he got sentenced for (including to death once or twice).

I love Sade but he was also a big bullshitter, mostly because he kept trying to convince people not to lock him up and throw away the key. That said he was not a murderer and spared many lives, including his vindictive in-laws, during his tenure as revolutionary judge (before his own head almost went to the chopping block).

>> No.12240500

>>12240232
Sooo.... he's fucking based then?

>> No.12240505

>>12239720
>degenerate BS
This. There is nothing of value in him.