/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.12238040]

is race a spook?

[Anonymous No.12238046]

>>12238040
'Spook' is a racial slur and you probably shouldn't say it, yes.

[Anonymous No.12238051]

>>12238040
It's a spook if you mean like 'fight for your race, sacrifice yourself, have pride in your people' that shit is retarded

If you just mean 'different populations of humans seem to exhibit different behavior and ability on average' well that is probably true

[Anonymous No.12238052]

>>12238040
only the black race people are spooks, and its rude to call them spooks

[Anonymous No.12238053]

yup

inb4 pseudo race "science" gets spouted

[Anonymous No.12238064]

>>12238053
>it's all just a coincidence
im sure the Congolese will create their Tokyo any day now

[Anonymous No.12238065]

>>12238051
that has to do more with culture. race isnt real.

[Anonymous No.12238072]

>>12238040
No. Relegating race to a Stirner-type 'spook' haunting the west is exactly what They want you to do. Race exists. Ethnicity exists. If they didn't, the film Black Panther would not exist.

[Anonymous No.12238073]

>>12238065
and yet the twin studies showed that race had a larger impact than environment

[Anonymous No.12238083]

>>12238065
>race isn't real
citation needed

[Anonymous No.12238085]

>>12238073
cite those studies

[Anonymous No.12238147]

>>12238065
Culture is a spook

[Anonymous No.12238153]

>>12238085
http://web.missouri.edu/~segerti/1000H/Bouchard.pdf

[Anonymous No.12238161]

>>12238040
Spooks are a race

[Anonymous No.12238162]

>>12238051
You haven’t read Stirner.

And race is very much real, specifically genetically.

[Anonymous No.12238170]

>>12238162
yes i have

[Anonymous No.12238205]

>>12238153
https://www.madinamerica.com/2018/11/bad-science-minnesota-study-twins-reared-apart/

[Anonymous No.12238211]

>>12238040
how is this /lit/erature

[Anonymous No.12238216]

>>12238162
>race
>genetics
Pick one. If I get a chocolate qt pregnant, the kid will be raced as black, despite having half white genetics.

[Anonymous No.12238217]

>>12238205
im not interested in them criticizing the study

if they can do their own study that shows the opposite, well that would be something. they curiously refuse to do that though

[Anonymous No.12238219]

>>12238153
hmm...
>Based on the near full-sample correlations that have been published, the MISTRA MZA and DZA group IQ correlations did not differ at a statistically significant level, which the study required as an important step in the process of determining whether genetic factors influence IQ scores. To this day, the MISTRA full-sample DZA group IQ correlations have not been published. At the same time, the researchers have prohibited independent analysts from inspecting and reviewing the MISTRA raw data
>The MISTRA was largely financed (about 60% or $1.42 million, roughly $3 million in 2018 U.S. dollars) by the Pioneer Fund, an organization created in the late 1930s to support eugenics, anti-Semitism and racial segregation, and racial differences research.

[Anonymous No.12238222]

>>12238216
social conception of race and genetic conception are distinct(but obviously related)

[Anonymous No.12238226]

>>12238217
The point is that the study doesn’t show anything at all, and this has been proven by many different people

[Anonymous No.12238237]

>>12238219
Again, why don't they publish their own study showing the opposite? Because they know that no matter what they do they willnever get that result

every study ever conducted shows race differences. every single one. all they can do is criticize the studies, they cant show their own study that shows racial equality

[Anonymous No.12238240]

>>12238052
>>12238046
Thats the plot of Philip Roth's The Human Stain.

[Anonymous No.12238251]

>>12238217
>durr make a study showing the opposite of what this study that shows nothing statistically significant shows
ok here’s my counterstudy, picrelated

[Anonymous No.12238255]

>>12238251
So you have zero evidence that the races are the same? interesting, you seem to believe it pretty strongly

[Anonymous No.12238267]

>>12238255
You have zero evidence race is anything but a spook. It's not a scientifically tenable concept

[Anonymous No.12238276]

>>12238267
So all the IQ scores, all the crime stats, the per capita gdp of various countries, skull sizes, twinning rates, gestation times, onset of puberty, etc.

this is all just a coincidence to you?

[Anonymous No.12238291]

>>12238237
>>12238255
>>12238276
>every study ever conducted shows race differences
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence

First paragraph, hmm interesting, literally the exact opposite of what you just said, but Wikipedia and knowledge are liberal propaganda amirite?

[Anonymous No.12238292]

>>12238276
Doesn't show race is a scientifically tenable concept I'm afraid. Most of those are socially determined anyway, so I'm not sure why you mentioned them. No geneticists believe there is a 'black race' or a 'white race' or an 'Asian race'. Its pseudo-science

[Anonymous No.12238299]

>>12238276
>The majority of anthropologists today consider race to be a sociopolitical phenomenon rather than a biological one,[34] a view supported by considerable genetics research.[35][36] The current mainstream view in the social sciences and biology is that race is a social construction based on folk ideologies that construct groups based on social disparities and superficial physical characteristics.[37]
You can argue all you want but you are not on the side of mainstream science as you are pretending to be

[Anonymous No.12238303]

>>12238276
>>12238267
You're both violently equivocating on what's meant by "exist" or "spook".
Non-real objects or, rather, non-material objects exist but on a different order from "real" objects. For instance, a square exists even though there is literally nothing in the universe that consists of a two dimensional plane composed of equilateral segments at right angles. Yet we have the shared idea of a square and we attribute squareness to things.
Race, similarly, culturally as ethnic groupings held together either by antagonism or shared experience and or geography. Ancestry, biologically, is similar to race and correlates with it but is vastly more complex than race and doesn't really behave in the same way.

[Anonymous No.12238306]

>>12238267
>It's not a scientifically tenable concept
Why does it have to be? That is to say, why is the realm of biology the only one we count? Race, when used to categorically discuss cultures and ethnicity, is plenty useful. It isn't a spook, though racial superiority almost certainly is.

[Anonymous No.12238308]

>>12238291
Wikipedia is literally propaganda yes

Explain to me why every country in sub-saharan africa is a disaster. I expect you will talk about "colonialism'' and then if i point out that Hong Kong is fine you will say 'well that was different'

Then if we talk about why every black city in the US is shit, well youll have a reason for that as well. And youll have a reason for why blacks in London have the same overrepresentation in crime as those in the US. And youll have an explanation for why there is simply no population of of subsaharans anywhere that behaves like East asians

And youll have an explanation for why East asian in North America, despite being discriminated against and having originated in poverty, outperform whites.

Youll be able to torture yourself endlessly to explain all this im sure, and then feel smug while saying 'there is no conclusive evidence' and then you can religiously avoid going into black neighborhoods after dark and send your children to good(read no blacks) schools

[Anonymous No.12238313]

>>12238308
There’s no use arguing a Marxist, anon

[Anonymous No.12238314]

>>12238308
>Explain to me why every country in sub-saharan africa is a disaster.
They aren't. Which African countries have you visited?

[Anonymous No.12238326]

>>12238308
>Wikipedia is literally propaganda

[Anonymous No.12238331]

>>12238313
Marxists, as materialists, wouldn't reject the existence of cultural classes or biological groupings. (though they would recognize that those two things aren't necessarily the same)

[Anonymous No.12238343]

>>12238051
>different populations of humans seem to exhibit different behavior and ability on average

LUL

[Anonymous No.12238413]

>>12238314
I expect something here along the lines of
>sub-saharan africa isn't a disaster if your just don't compare the region to any other region in the world

[Anonymous No.12238441]

>>12238292
Every single scientist in China believes there's such a thing as race. In Russia it's at around 90% of scientists believe in it. In USA, the number is around 60%, similarly in Europe.

[Anonymous No.12238467]

>>12238292
Most scientists outside of the West believe in race, anti-racism is a Western cultural spook.

[Anonymous No.12238482]

>>12238040
No, it's a departmentalisation of humans based on their genetic heritage.

[Anonymous No.12238490]

>>12238441
>citation needed
Contemporary scientists aren't necessarily saying that "race doesn't exist", rather that it's a sociopolitical phenomenon rather than the biological one (which is what all the empirical evidence thus far shows).

[Anonymous No.12238492]

>>12238413
Reminder that Somalia has a lower murder rate than the US.

[Anonymous No.12238493]

>>12238467
>inferior races believe race exists
so, which is it?

[Anonymous No.12238504]

>>12238343
>meet individual
>wtf they have those general traits
>ill just handwave it as a spook

[Anonymous No.12238505]

>>12238493
Most countries i.e Russia, China, Japan etc., nobody is claiming they are inferior.

[Anonymous No.12238510]

>>12238490
Show me empirical evidence proving that race is not biological. I haven't seen a single one in my whole life.

[Anonymous No.12238520]

>>12238492
>Reminder that Somalia has a lower REPORTED murder rate than the US.
fixed that for ya, tiger!

>>12238493
Claiming that race exists and accounts for quantifiable differences between populations=/=claiming that one race is somehow cosmically superior to another

[Anonymous No.12238527]

>>12238308
Yikes

[Anonymous No.12238528]

>>12238040
Race is not a spook in and of itself, racism and a cultural construct which considers race is a spook, though.

[Anonymous No.12238532]

>>12238505
i am, prove me wrong
see >>12238510
if you think im using faulty logic

>russel's teapot
LMAO

[Anonymous No.12238537]

>>12238520
>superior race creates superior science
prove me wrong

niggers and chinks can't do science

[Anonymous No.12238538]

So ethnicity is real but not race?

[Anonymous No.12238542]

>>12238520
>the stats that confirm my prejudices are undoubtedly true and cannot be argued with
>the stats which contradict my prejudices are unreliable propaganda and probably fake

[Anonymous No.12238554]

>>12238299
anthropologists dont study race differences, and the discipline is barely science

[Anonymous No.12238557]

Reminder that white people perform worse than almost all other ethnic groups eduction wise, including Africans

[Anonymous No.12238561]

>>12238538
Outspook em all anon!

[Anonymous No.12238562]

>>12238542
go to somalia, please

[Anonymous No.12238564]

>>12238542
>all stats are equal regardless of where they come from or the process used to create them
this type of thinking is exactly why you believe the anti-racism spook

[Anonymous No.12238569]

>>12238562
I've actually travelled in Africa anon, unlike you. Mogadishu was great fun, some great little cafes

[Anonymous No.12238583]

>>12238554
>anthropology
>the study of human biological and physiological characteristics and their evolution
>don’t study race differences
Wow you sure got wikipedia good on that point!

[Anonymous No.12238589]

>>12238564
see now we’re talkin

Im >>12238537
Niggers and chinks can’t do stats properly. Their science is bunk

[Anonymous No.12238592]

>>12238557
This MUST prove that whites are inferior when it comes to intelligence, right?

[Anonymous No.12238594]

>>12238083
Each individual is different from another and over time and distance humans have shown great variation. We like to label and categorize everything, but what goes into “different races” isn’t real. They are “spooks”
Read Stirner

[Anonymous No.12238599]

>>12238592
Well what other explanation can there be?

[Anonymous No.12238602]

Is the concept of spook, a spook?

[Anonymous No.12238604]

>>12238599
Looking at reality maybe

[Anonymous No.12238628]

>>12238299
>""""""""mainstream"""""""" science

[Anonymous No.12238648]

>>12238604
The reality seems straightforward. Whites are outperformed by almost all ethnic groups

[Anonymous No.12238657]

>>12238331
Right, but they would (and have) dismiss(ed) biological groupings as unimportant, or so close to meaningless that it's not worth engaging with. Mind you, this is on the basis that anyone of any race can contribute to a modern (circa late 19th/early to mid 20th century) regimented economy, where everyone has simple tasks to perform that are assigned to them and does not require them to innovate and create.
What this guy is engaging in is Frankfurt School Neoliberal pilpul, not Marxism.

[Anonymous No.12238678]

>>12238583
Physical anthropology is that
A lot of retards who call themselves anthropologists are shit like "cultural" or "social" anthropologists and are just morons who couldn't hack it in social psychology (lol)

[Anonymous No.12238691]

>>12238628
Yes we went over this wiki is just propaganda and niggers and chinks can’t do science, this is all the true mainstream unironically

Ur beating a dead horse at this point

[Anonymous No.12238709]

>>12238678
Yes that’s what Wikipedia and those studies are referring to, cultural anthropologists giving completely unsubstantiated opinions about race. Goteem

[Anonymous No.12238713]

>>12238648
Damn we deserve this self induced genocide desu, the boomer degeneracy really tacked the nail in our coffin

[Anonymous No.12238731]

>>12238314
>>12238492
>>12238542
>>12238569
My family are saffers and I can tell you right now that they much prefer American to modern Africa. You types are the same idiots who 100 years ago harped on the White Man's Burden. You go on a little safari so you can post some fun pictures on your insta to impress the privileged white girls back in your >90% white suburb or your insular little hipster community. Then you whine about how much "culture" you soaked up and how "lively" and "in-tune with nature" the natives were meanwhile you've never had to do anything but dance and drink with them on a month-long binge. Indians and Europeans go back home every year to visit their family, but Africans never look back once they leave and for good reason.

[Anonymous No.12238743]

>>12238691
This guy gets how deep it goes. The conspiracy involves every geneticist and anthropologist in the Western world, all of whom have been bought off by the Jews to hide the truth that actually blacks are inferior. Every western government has been bribed to keep the lie going. It's only fearless scientists in those bastions of intellectual freedom like Russia and China, along with a few plucky racists on anonymous image boards, who are brave enough to reveal the true picture.

[Anonymous No.12238754]

>>12238731
>My family are saffers and I can tell you right now that they much prefer American to modern Africa
I guess they would now they can't do their apartheid shit anymore. Nazis probably preferred the 3rd Reich.

[Anonymous No.12238761]

>>12238743
>every geneticist and anthropologist in the Western world
Not true.

[Anonymous No.12238763]

>>12238754
Ah now it comes out. I'm sure your political leanings have absolutely no impact on your "MUH ENLIGHTENED AFRICANS ARE MORE PEACEFUL THAN AMERICANS" crap. No wonder you're so spook'd.

[Anonymous No.12238768]

>>12238754
South Africa was better for both Whites and Blacks during apartheid.

[Anonymous No.12238775]

>>12238557
>>12238648
Citing GCESE result statistics done by the UK government, lmao

[Anonymous No.12238793]

>>12238648
What type of Bengladeshi, Indian, Black African and Chinese people immigrate to the UK. You think your average nigger would just immigrate to UK, assuming they're not "sponsored" by somebody; the ones that do immigrate are the ones that are already good smart and rich enough to do it.

[Anonymous No.12238802]

>>12238557
Good grades aren't the same as intelligence and ingenuity.

[Anonymous No.12238814]

>>12238775
>>12238793
>>12238802

[Anonymous No.12238822]

>>12238814
Am I wrong?

[Anonymous No.12238828]

>>12238822
>hurr durr the police are institutionally racist, this proves black people are more criminal
Macpherson report says you are

[Anonymous No.12238837]

>>12238828
Everywhere in the fucking world? And usually with the same race being at the forefront? Damn son this is quite the grand conspiracy

[Anonymous No.12238839]

>>12238828
Institutional racism is anti-white though anon

[Anonymous No.12238853]

>>12238828
>>12238839
as a white person I can attest to this!

[Anonymous No.12238858]

>>12238814
Everybody knows we only try to pick the best and the brightest third-worlders to import, nobody actually wants the lowest of the low

[Anonymous No.12238869]

>>12238557
>>12238648
>>12238822
How do you explain these weird up and down jumps per year(in pink)? White British seems pretty linear to me up until 2013 where it mysteriously goes down. Shouldn't grades, because of education, improve over year linearly, instead of going up down up down every year?

[Anonymous No.12238891]

>>12238292
It's true, me and my wife are both 100% of African origin and she gave birth to an "Asian" daughter

[Anonymous No.12238904]

>>12238504
>individual=group of people

wow spooky

[Anonymous No.12238912]

>>12238904
spot the chink

[Anonymous No.12238931]

>>12238912
>there exists chinkness

really gets spooky in here

[Anonymous No.12238958]

>>12238931
well memed

[Anonymous No.12239018]

>>12238754
>Nazis probably preferred the 3rd Reich.
Didn't take you long did it? Because the other anon was absolutely owning you in debate.

[Anonymous No.12239044]

>>12239018
Apart from the British Empire, Apartheid South Africa is the closest moral equivalent to the Nazis, so its barely even a Godwin.

[Anonymous No.12239127]

>>12238837
Yeah, why would various different countries engage in coordinated institutional violence against people of color. There are literally no precedents

[Anonymous No.12239339]

>>12238891
yes but when defining race genetically it actually becomes extremely difficult to draw hard lines between Asian and African American as their entire identity is judged by like two phenotypes which is not a very rigorous catigorization of race

[Anonymous No.12239340]

Race is real, most modern races exist because interbreeding with Neanderthals etc