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Is there an Anglo equivalent to this masterpiece?

>> No.12226124

I plan to buy this and "One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich"
Any other depression-kino books ?

>> No.12226132

>>12226124
Not really depression-kino, but there's a chance you might like it.

I'd go for The book of disquiet by Pessoa, Notes from the underground by Dostoevskij and maybe Stoner by John Williams.

>> No.12226143
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>A small window opened over my room, through which I could see the interior. The light was lit and two animals were visible.
>My eyes swam, but I murmured to myself through my violent breathing. "This is just another aspect of the behavior of human beings. There's nothing to be surprised at." I stood petrified on the staircase, not even thinking to help Yoshiko.
>Horiki noisily cleared his throat. I ran back up to the roof to escape and collapsed there.

>> No.12226144

>>12226132
Thanks

>> No.12226148

>>12226105
test

>> No.12226172
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>>12226105
OP here. To clarify I'd like something that takes place from the perspective of a heavily alienated person, but in which that person does not overcome his alienation but rather succumbs to it, and with this not being presented as a means of showing the error of such a person. It doesn't have to be an English work, but I would prefer that if possible.

>> No.12226381

bump

>> No.12226541

Anglos were never human so no

>> No.12226595

>went in blind and started reading this
>Expected and incel virgin like taxi driver or someone born with a disfigurement
>It's about a normie with a wife and family. Fucking disgusting normie dishonest scum book

>> No.12226608

>>12226595
If you are a person that would be fulfilled by having a wife and a family then you are a normie. You have no true disconnection with the world. You're simply a normal person that didn't get your normal person starter kit and now you sit around crying about it. You are simply projecting, because you cannot comprehend a person that is truly alienated.

>> No.12226623

>>12226608
If he was so Aliented and felt like life is suffering why did he bring children into the world and inflict the same suffering on them.book is about a subhuman normie going trough a midlife crisis because his wife is getting old and ugly

>> No.12226630

>>12226623
You haven't even read the book. Yozo never had children. Dazai did in real life but not the character Yozo. Likewise his second wife at the end is seventeen. Fuck off.

>> No.12226640

He had children conceived in his many one night stands while heavily intoxicated you mong.

>> No.12226646

>>12226541
this

>> No.12226652

>>12226640
Which you cannot demonstrate. Even if he did it's irrelevant. Why he would he be inflicting his own suffering on a child? They'd just be another human being to terrify him like Shigeko was. You didn't read the book.

>> No.12226653

>>12226630
Based

>> No.12226677

>>12226652
Any human has the possibility to awaken the same feelings as he had therefore procreating is evil because you are creating a life that will experience suffering.furthermore the child never gave consent to be born.it is heavily implied he fathered children.this is why he gets with the single mother whore and tries to be a father to her girl,out of guilt

>> No.12226692

>>12226677
>Any human has the possibility to awaken the same feelings as he had therefore procreating is evil because you are creating a life that will experience suffering.furthermore the child never gave consent to be born.
And? Who fucking cares?
>it is heavily implied he fathered children.
No it isn't.
>this is why he gets with the single mother whore and tries to be a father to her girl,out of guilt
No it isn't, and he never tries to really be her father. He wants to run away the entire time. You didn't read the book. Stop pretending that you did.

>> No.12226714

>>12226692

>who fucking cares that humans suffer
he did,literally the book was about how he suffered in isolation and the emptiness of life in general,how he despised other humans who where immoral and dishonest.

in one of the passages where he is sleeping around a woman is described as "glowing",then there are numerous references to her belly.Both heavily imply she got pregnant

the only reason he even got with the roastie is because of the daughter,in the chapter the daughter is introduced and described first in great detail and the roastie is mentioned at the end of the chapter with miniscule detail to her character and appearance

learn to read between the lines you fucking mongoloid.
stick to game of thrones

>> No.12226726

>>12226714
The daughters not why he comes, it's why he feels obliged to stay, which he soon gets over.

>> No.12226736

>>12226726
he gets over her quick because he is a subhuman hypocrite,fucks up his entire life,get molested as a kid and when he has a chance to do something good for another human being by being a stepfather and protecting the daughter he runs away
literal subhuman,he was never human.

>> No.12226742

>>12226541
>Anglos were never human so no
This unironically

>> No.12226744

>>12226714
>in one of the passages where he is sleeping around a woman is described as "glowing",then there are numerous references to her belly.Both heavily imply she got pregnant
None of that happens.
>the only reason he even got with the roastie is because of the daughter,
He gets with the woman because she takes him in after he runs away from Flatfish's house after his attempted suicide.
>in the chapter the daughter is introduced and described first in great detail
She isn't described in great detail at all and he meets her mother first.
>and the roastie is mentioned at the end of the chapter with miniscule detail to her character and appearance
The book isn't even divided into chapters. The third notebook (1) ends after he's run away from the mother and gets married to his second wife.
>learn to read between the lines you fucking mongoloid.
You haven't read the book. Why are you even bothering to type all of this shit?
>>12226726
It's more that the daughter is the only reason he finds the situation bearable.

>> No.12226748

>>12226744
wrong.

>> No.12226751

>>12226736
>literal subhuman,he was never human.
Exactly. You are a normie, unlike him. So why were you complaining and calling him a normie? Hmm...

>> No.12226757

>>12226748
Okay.

>> No.12226761

>>12226751
only human people are virgins like me,the greatest sin in this world is having sex which can lead to conceiving a child.the child is guaranteed to experience great suffering in life and YOU are the direct cause of that suffering by not being able to control your primal instinct to breed and procreate.
every non virgin is a subhuman.

>> No.12226813

>>12226761
Is existence worse than non-existence?

>> No.12226830

>>12226761
Yes, ethics is a deep concern for normies such as yourself, I'm very aware.

>> No.12226989

>>12226172
Bump. Again I'd like to know if there are any other books fitting this description.

>> No.12226992

>>12226761
What if people incapable of reproducing fuck for fun? Is that wrong too?

>> No.12228088

>>12226105
Hangover Square by Patrick Hamilton

>> No.12228113

>>12226172
No Longer Human is my favorite book as well. I understand your struggle OP. The problem is that the I-novel genre, with all its nuances doesn't exactly exist outside Japan. We have first person narratives, but those aren't exactly the same.

Nonetheless, I would say Notes from Underground. It is this:
>from the perspective of a heavily alienated person, but in which that person does not overcome his alienation but rather succumbs to it

Arguably its not this
> with this not being presented as a means of showing the error of such a person

>> No.12229014

>>12226630
>Dazai did in real life
Have you read his "fairytale book"? Man that was some shit. Huddling in a makeshift bomb shelter (a fucking ditch in their backyard) reading a storybook to his kids while the sirens went off. That's some shit. And the kind of insights he granted to the characters in these fables, thought up while under those conditions. He was a genius.
>>12226595
>osamu dazai
>normie
Getting laid makes you a normie? Fuck off retard. You know I have to say this. If you ugly autists on /r9k/ could just manage to get laid you'd be the normiest boot licking normies to ever norm, and you'd like it. You're a failed normie ridiculing "normies" like some fox to grapes. You understand nothing.
Dazai was eccentric DESPITE being able to get laid, and therefore only the more valid for it. You either didn't understand the book or didn't get your head out of your own ass long enough to attempt to understand it.

>> No.12229666

>>12229014
Thank you for BTFOing these /r9k/ faggots. They are like cockroaches that need to be stopped. But like cockroaches there is a whole swarm hiding in a crevice that will never stop bothering us.

>> No.12229806

>>12226172
Camus novels is exactly what you're after

>> No.12229837

>>12229014
>Implying the inability to relate even though your want it more than anything isn't proof of the deepest alienation
>Implying having some superficial relational success isn't proof you retained a sliver of an integral self

>> No.12230008

>>12229014
I actually haven't red anything else by Dazai. After reading No Longer Human I felt like I didn't really want to. It made me wonder if he was making a comparison to his real-life work when he dichotomized Yozo's cartoons with his ghost portraits. That is, his silly cartoons that were part of his act, and his true portraits of himself; possibly the former representing his previous literary output and the latter representing No Longer Human. Then I read summaries of things like "Run, Melos!":
>The most prominent theme of "Run, Melos!" is unwavering friendship. Despite facing hardships, the protagonist Melos does his best to save his friend's life, and in the end his efforts are rewarded.
And it reinforces that idea.

>> No.12230059

>>12229837
>>Implying the inability to relate even though your want it more than anything isn't proof of the deepest alienation
It isn't. You are just experiencing a lack of something that you want. When you get it and realize it doesn't make you any happier maybe you'll understand, or maybe you'll just actualize your full normie potential. Who knows.
>>Implying having some superficial relational success isn't proof you retained a sliver of an integral self
How would that be the case when your entire persona which accounts for said success is an elaborate ruse concocted painstakingly over years in order to deceive the people which terrify you into thinking that you are a normal person like one of them? The only woman that he doesn't hide his true self from is the women he goes to kill himself with. Another person that didn't read the book, what a surprise.

>> No.12230292

>>12226989
Why not read his other book? It has similar themes

>> No.12230326

>>12230292
I don't want to read a book about a woman.

>> No.12230329

>>12229014
Yeah, plus you've gotta remember Dazai grew up in Japan in the early 20th century. I don't think it was that hard for anybody to get married as long as they didn't have some sort of serious deformity or mental illness. Just be moderately financially stable and go to miais and shit. At least that's my impression of how marriage would've worked back then (though I know nothing of Dazai's background and that makes a big difference)

>> No.12230341

>>12230329
Indeed, getting married was not as difficult in the past as women were heavily incentivized and socially pressured to get married. Likewise one could not simply shut themselves off in their room and spend their time on the internet, you had to leave your house and go interact with people whether you liked it or not.

>> No.12230477

>>12226541
Ellis island was a mistake

>> No.12230497

>>12230341
I miss those times

>> No.12230916

>>12230341
>>12230329
If Dazai existed in modern Japan he would probably be a virgin shut in spending all his time trying to escape life through video games anime and junk food.

>> No.12231603

>>12230008
The Setting Sun, which is the work he did before No Longer Human is quite genuine. I used to have the same thought process as you and didnt bother touching his other stuff. But although it's not as good, The Setting Sun is also a very solid work.

>> No.12232023

>>12230329
No, i read a lot of period jap lit and that's spot on, marriage was a quick easy process, parents or some party arranges a miai, or you find some girl who needs financial stability, and there you go.
>>12230008
Haven't read that one but it sounds interesting. ningen shikaku was semi-autiobiographical and dazai really did kill himself after a life of depression and failure to meet social expectations. i imagine with that kind of depression and lifestyle, you'd view your work as comical and shallow.
>>12231603
that's the other title i read. it was interesting, again themes of depression, suicide, and social expectations. i'm not sure if it counts as a happy ending or not, but the woman ends up raising the kid alone, dazai probably felt like a failure as a father.
i really got to read the rest of his shit.