/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.12223517]

post books that turn boys to man

[Anonymous No.12223532]

post books that turn men to girls

[Anonymous No.12223544]

>sitting around inactive and reading like a little bitch
>making you a man

Wew

[Read, expected, got No.12223743]

>>12223532
eleanor and park

[Anonymous No.12223754]

>>12223517
Meditations
Plurarch’s Lives
Augustine’s Confessions
Tolstoy The Death Of Ivan Ilyich

[Anonymous No.12223759]

Iliad and Odyssey imo

[Anonymous No.12223787]

>>12223759
good answer

[Anonymous No.12223802]

>>12223517
young dugin

[Anonymous No.12223813]

Lazarilho de Tormes

[Anonymous No.12223883]

>>12223517
Siddharta
Jack London stuff

[Anonymous No.12223904]

Growth of the soil

[Anonymous No.12223950]

>>12223802
Which are his younger works?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wtMQmlAHMU

[Anonymous No.12224029]

read Rober Bly. he's a patrician JBP

[Anonymous No.12224034]

>>12224029
Robert*

[Anonymous No.12224071]

>>12223883
I read both and I'm still a spineless shit
I want my money back

[Anonymous No.12224073]

moby dick

[Anonymous No.12224206]

>>12224029
People like JBP have always been around. The whole shtick is a sucker magnet.

[Anonymous No.12224216]

>>12224206
hey! poetry is manly!

[Anonymous No.12224262]

Reading Mein Kampf and then trying to convince yourself you aren't able to be a Nazi.

[Anonymous No.12224277]

>>12224216
>According to Padilla, remembered Amalfitano, all literature could be classified as heterosexual, homosexual, or bisexual. Novels, in general, were heterosexual. Poetry, on the other hand, was completely homosexual. Within the vast ocean of poetry he identified various currents: faggots, queers, sissies, freaks, butches, fairies, nymphs, and philenes. But the two major currents were faggots and queers. Walt Whitman, for example, was a faggot poet. Pablo Neruda, a queer. William Blake was definitely a faggot. Octavio Paz was a queer. Borges was a philene, or in other words he might be a faggot one minute and simply asexual the next.

[Anonymous No.12224294]

>>12224206
Jordan Beter Peterson?

[Anonymous No.12224297]

>>12224029
Is Iron John actually good?

Does it actually give you guidance?

[Anonymous No.12224300]

>>12224277
This is why poetry rock harder than novels

[Anonymous No.12224305]

>>12224262
Mein Kampf is one really stupid book.

[Anonymous No.12224311]

>>12224262
Try dosto n convince yourself that life is worth it n that you are worthy of it.

[Anonymous No.12224323]

>>12224206
Scott Adams is so strange to me.
He's a good cartoonist but the individual components are so strange.

>His art
It's insanely bland and lacking any personality in exchange for pure readability. In essence he rejects the one thing most cartoonists die for, character. In this way his scientific approach to meeting the punchline is completely undisturbed and operates like an artistic vacuum where zero of it's aesthetic value is carried forward. Scott seems in this sense to wilfully acknowledge the recyclable nature of his "art". Dilbert the character is reflective of this soulless investigation, a plain expressionless man whose entire existence rests upon goals (of which have no direct purpose other than 'funny'). The dog is equally hollow and represents how stilted Scott Adams animus is, Adams via Dilbert can simply not create another platform for his soul outside of the exterior, perhaps because their is no interior.
If you were to ask me how Snoopy would hand me a coffee I could tell you. If you were to ask me how this dog were to hand me a coffee I couldn't expand on the function, because that's the only purpose of these characters... to exist.
The colour in the last panel represents a possible catharsis for Dilbert but it instead is merely a coloured-in-crayon purgatory. The same doubt exists, no one has learnt anything.

>The narrative
This is what puzzles me about Adams is, his "jokes" are so obviously based on Adams reading lists, shamelessly let out for the world to see. I know this because Scott Adams is perhaps one of the only figures who reads the news who even can re-call Robert Bly. The cognitive dissonance here is that I know that Dilbert is aimed at middle class office workers in America and yet, what said worker would ever have read Robert Bly? Scott Adams assumes his demographic is intellectual by default, it's an almost admirable optimism present in his drab but strangely human that Adams assumes these office workers want to read about Robert Bly and not simply relief themselves in escapism with jokes about Mariah Carey's tits. Is the purpose of the comic to be educational? Most of the set-up is in explaining the bizzarre life of Bly but it reads like a Wikipedia writer waxing second-rate Pryor.
Even when Dilbert reaches the conclusion of the joke he is a steadfastly unamused and unsure of why he came there. What is Dilbert trying to make happen in his life, this much is unclear and leads to a lot of confusion.
We can only guess, does Dilbert have a reason to want to "Reject his mother?" By proxy does Adams' research / reading habits tell us that he humorously wants to reject his mother?
This reads like a nerd who wants to be some kind of superman but for reasons disclosed by others and not pondered himself. The implications of Dilbert talking to (his?) dog in a grey room tell us he is far and away from being "manly". Is this an excoriation of his insecurities? Does he not shudder at this reflection? Are we meant to?

[Anonymous No.12224327]

>>12224277
>implying Walt Whitman didn’t smash young idealist pussy

[Anonymous No.12224335]

>>12224327
It’s not implying that actually.

[Anonymous No.12224341]

>>12224335
It calls him a faggot

[Anonymous No.12224348]

>>12223517
I was just going to say, becoming a man is painful and scary. I wish there were more cultural appreciation of the role of men.

Eventually it all comes forward to you making the decision to pull forward with something. All the information in the world coming from outside can't decide for you, and if it does, you're still a boy.

But be a boy for as long as you want to because it is easier and more enjoyable than being a man.

>>12223544
Anyone with half a brain knows you have to both take action and study. Samurai often practiced calligraphy because you were supposed to cultivate both mind and body to be an optimal warrior. Similarly, a man who never thinks is a man who doesn't know the significance of his actions, and a man who never acts finds himself clueless and unable to wield himself in navigating the world's treacheries and promises.

[Anonymous No.12224373]

>>12224348
This, there's no point in becoming a man on society's terms because as of 2018 there is no social reward for it.
It's not like in the 40s/50s where by being responsible and working hard meant fun times with loyal wives, banter with workmates every topic open for jest and children ready to listen.

Just find a way to make money and be selfish with your time, so long as you take care of your body and your home nothing else is necessary.

[Anonymous No.12224402]

Also "how does I bes a mans" is essentially a first world problem. You don't have this issue elsewhere or in parts of the first world that grow you up quick aka the ghetto or some other pocket of sustained masculine necessity like the army or whatever.

[Anonymous No.12224410]

>>12224373
>This, there's no point in becoming a man on society's terms
Be a man on your own terms. You might be seen as a prick to others but you are living your own truth. There's something inspiring about that.

Being a man on society's terms just means letting others mould you how they see fit. That's not a pleasant experience for anyone.

[Anonymous No.12224418]

>>12224341
It’s speaking figuratively almost poetically, you might say

[Anonymous No.12224420]

The emigrants

[Anonymous No.12224437]

>>12224410
Yeah that's what I was getting at, I think the idea is that men have been covertly been pushed into being society/women etc's idea of a man to self-serve society. I sound edgy as heck saying this I know, but society has been cracking since baby boomers and the that "revolution" and until it returns to unanimously across-the-board moral centralisation in the public realm, it's suicide to participate and not ride it out as an individual with your morals intact. There comes a time where you have to realise that without a large group of people in accordance there cannot be overt change and the opposition you'd need to succeed increases every day with every plant.

[Anonymous No.12224477]

>>12224437
It took me a long time to come around to seeing this point, and it seems only conservatives notice it and liberals are in denial about it.

I see this denial every day when I confront certain types of hypocritical liberals.

The world-order is in a fragile state, and if it breaks, there may be no turning back. People who understand war know that it is not something you jump into doing eagerly.

Some men view war as a correcting agent, and they are not utterly mistaken in all cases. Look to see if that man will be one of those fighting. The sad thing is nobody with power can think up a solution that averts catastrophe. It's a massive problem.

It makes me sound insane but I'm a man in search of a war. Not because I want to create war but I can help contain it. I am a student of conflict because it has been an unavoidable part of my life for so long, and there is a high chance I will have to respond to there being a war in the world within the next decade or two.

You don't need to be a fighter to be a man but it certainly helps.

[Anonymous No.12224498]

War and peace

[Anonymous No.12224499]

>>12224477
I want to add that we shouldn't judge people necessarily if they are in denial about something. Denial is a fear response. Blaming the messenger though is sinful and self-destructive.

There are angels out there.

[Anonymous No.12224512]

>>12224477
It really hit home for me when Brexit happened (obviously I'm a Brit). For about 3 or 4 decades you have had liberals (I'm generalising I know, I'm quite partial to old school liberalism myself but it's the "new school".) telling conservatives and workers alike to shut up, else they lose their jobs or what have you. Then gradually throughout these decades of new school liberals yelling and with less and less public competitors bothering to oppose them they become convinced themselves that the world has become more liberal. Thus, the huge shock it was to discover the 'slight majority' of Britains were in fact 'old thinkers'. How could this happen, who possibly had voted Leave if no one would admit to it?
The left thought winning their war was to silence the conservatives, but all they did was remove conservative talk in the 'public' realm.

It's a valuable lesson to men everywhere, know that your confession means nothing to anyone but yourself. When you want to argue with someone, pull a Lincoln and write it out in full and then read it again and scrap it.
Save your arguments for actions, e.g. voting.
Save your breath, this world is trivial enough already. When the time is right, act and don't feel compelled to reason why you did to anyone. You don't need to be a hero alone, read Epicurus.

[Anonymous No.12224541]

>>12224512
Liberal types love to flap their fucking gums, you can always tell what dudes hate this shit and you have to keep an eye out for them and hopefully the mutual understanding we have will pay off when action is needed

[Anonymous No.12224588]

>>12224277
>Pablo Neruda and William Blake
>not the Jim Morrisons of their day

[Anonymous No.12224593]

https://www.amazon.com/Linda-Elizabeth-Barry-William-Galbraith/dp/1986292800/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1544748466&sr=8-3&keywords=linda+elizabeth+barry

[Anonymous No.12224613]

>>12224541
>>12224512
The extreme side of liberals have been dominating for a while now. I count myself as a moderate liberal/centrist and I(and others) have been shouted down by the extremists even though we're in the majority and now moderates have been radicalized on the right as a response.

a great example is Hillary, not fucking one person I know wanted her to be the Dem Candidate, and now we're dealing with the consequences.

[Anonymous No.12224630]

>>12224512
>The left thought winning their war was to silence the conservatives, but all they did was remove conservative talk in the 'public' realm.
You are literally living in the country of Daily Mail and The Sun. What the fuck are you on about?

[Anonymous No.12224715]

>>12224630
Earlier today I was talking about these types conversations in regard to highbrow society / living.
That's another perspective I'm aware of but to be frank I don't often count their articles as more then clickbait sensationalism, I'm talking publicly, Daily Mail articles aren't notorious for being talked about in public by their content alone, it's usually the context which is the highlight. E.g. I can't say I've ever remembered any poignant Sun/DM article ever.

[Anonymous No.12224732]

>>12224613
youre not alone
I consider myself the same, and to many republicans its either conservitave or libtard, which is flat out untrue. it hurts to see people refer to "The Left" in general as feminists and extremists.

[Anonymous No.12224749]

>>12224732
Honestly the best thing you could do (other than saying nothing and walking onward) is to simmer down the extremist Left, the instigators, the extreme right are mostly reactionary and look stupid when instigating and will halt without reason to join in.

[Anonymous No.12224816]

>>12224749
Oh believe me, we're trying. A lot of us foresaw what was gonna happen as early as 2012 and we warned our more activist types to chill the fuck out, but they didn't listen. Now's the time to be a little more firm.

[Anonymous No.12224823]

>>12223517
My diary desu

[Anonymous No.12224888]

>>12224593
is this your book anon?

[Anonymous No.12225086]

>>12224888

The only way to make it cheaper is through kindle, but I'm not comfortable with kindle...

[Anonymous No.12226157]

does lit like mangas? now that i think about it monster is certenly that manga that turns boys to man

[Anonymous No.12226180]

Read Stirner and stop trying to be a 'man'.

[Anonymous No.12226475]

>>12223743
>eleanor and park
>and Park, a half-Korean, 16-year-old boy, meet on a school bus on Eleanor's first day at the school and gradually connect through comic books and mix tapes of '80s music, sparking a love story.
>Park Sheridan has lived in Omaha his whole life. While his family is not affluent, and his parents come from very different backgrounds, his home is filled with love. While his father is tall and "masculine", Park takes after his mother in appearance and is shorter than his younger brother. Park believes he is a disappointment and is unenthusiastic about taekwondo, which his father values. Park is instead interested in alternative music and comics. He feels insecure about his size and Asian heritage, despite getting along with the popular kids at school.
Why would a girl (even at that age) be attracted to such an effeminate, self hating hapa? Why didn't Park just transition? He could've been cute
Is this book some sort of unrealistic fantasy about what could've happened to Cho if he had been half "white" and not completely oversocialized

[Anonymous No.12226755]

>>12224437
So is this why my female GP shamed me by telling me I was a man after I told her I was currently unemployed and had been for one year her tone immediately changed and she wanted to get me out of her office as fast as possible?

[Anonymous No.12226759]

anything by Buddha

[Anonymous No.12226772]

>>12224715
Peter Hitchens has a regular column in the DM

[Anonymous No.12226799]

>>12224402
>You don't have this issue elsewhere or in parts of the first world that grow you up quick aka the ghetto
Blacks who come from single mothers and resort to crime and violence aren't proper men.

[Anonymous No.12226869]

>>12223517
A lot of people who I highly respect say radiohead is the “best band ever” etc etc. I don’t see it, personally.

[Anonymous No.12226947]

>>12226869
>>12226869
they are literally "mid-wit: the band"

[Anonymous No.12227045]

>>12226947
>>12226869
i think kid a and ok computer are masterpieces, epsecialy ok computer cuz its also chartable pop music and if we look at it from that angle radiohead making a kinda mainsteam radio friendly album (expections are there tho with some songs) thats as complex and well put together as OK computer is kinda a miracle. rest of their output is shit tho and just arty shit that other bands do way better

[Anonymous No.12227061]

>>12227045
I'm not going to argue with you, OK computer is a masterpiece if it's goal is to relate to adolescent smart-alec's but once you turn 18 you realise how juvenile it all is, even Kid A is diluted electronic music for Smiths fans

[Anonymous No.12227067]

>>12227061
oh im not talking lyrics, i know that its very much basicly im sad type of lyrics modern soundcloud rappers are doing now with some better writing, i was purely talking composition ,melodies and the music itself

[Anonymous No.12227068]

[Anonymous No.12227320]

The Gulag Archipelago

[Anonymous No.12229059]

A lot of Aristotle, but ma(i)nly the Nicomachean Ethics

[Anonymous No.12229135]

>>12224418
you're right but aside from what you guys or the SD character is saying, Whitman was an actual literal faggot. he enjoyed more than anything fucking and or being fucked by dudes. this is known, man, what the hell.