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Anonymous Mon, Dec 10, 2018 14:29:38 No.12209889 [Reply] [Original]

From a purely literary perspective, how do religious texts (The Bible, The Quran, Upanishads, The Tanakh, etc.) compare to one another? Is The Bible the best one?

>>	Anonymous Mon, Dec 10, 2018 14:31:30 No.12209897 >>12209889 Fat anglo cunts are lucky the English translation is so good, in my language it's so bad the majority have turned Atheist from pure boredom.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Dec 10, 2018 14:32:32 No.12209904 File: 197 KB, 1200x1491, 1200px-Alexander_Pope_by_Michael_Dahl.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] The Quran at least has the courtesy to rhyme.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Dec 10, 2018 14:32:52 No.12209908 >>12209889 The Bible is incredible as a story. Depending onthe translation, it is also incredible int the way it's written.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Dec 10, 2018 14:34:15 No.12209918 >>12209904 Stone, stone, stone the whore For she's not worth it anymore!

>>	Anonymous Mon, Dec 10, 2018 14:35:16 No.12209921 >>12209897 lol what language do you speak?

>>	Anonymous Mon, Dec 10, 2018 15:23:13 No.12210120 >>12209897 Country? Are you from France?

>>	Anonymous Mon, Dec 10, 2018 15:25:30 No.12210134 Nobody here simultaneously knows Hebrew, Arabic and Sanskrit, so all of the answers in this thread can be safely ignored

>>	Anonymous Mon, Dec 10, 2018 15:26:28 No.12210140 >>12210134 Translations exist, though. We get what we get.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Dec 10, 2018 15:27:28 No.12210146 >>12209889 Literary perspective: Bible > Quran > Upanishads > Tanakh Philosophy/metaphysics: Upanishads > Quran > Bible > Tanakh

>>	Anonymous Mon, Dec 10, 2018 15:28:41 No.12210156 >>12210146 What's so bad about Jews?

>>	Anonymous Mon, Dec 10, 2018 15:29:10 No.12210158 >>12209921 >>12210120 Guess

>>	Anonymous Mon, Dec 10, 2018 15:29:31 No.12210162 >>12210146 Quran is shit for metaphysics.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Dec 10, 2018 15:29:55 No.12210164 >>12210146 How's the Quran more philosophical/metaphysical than the Bible?

>>	Anonymous Mon, Dec 10, 2018 15:31:10 No.12210179 >>12209889 Wait, why does wikipedia categorize the Illiad and the Odyssey as religious texts??

>>	Anonymous Mon, Dec 10, 2018 15:32:59 No.12210186 >>12210156 They don't even believe in the afterlife. Driest religion there is. Plus they cut their foreskins and literally suck dicks.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Dec 10, 2018 15:33:04 No.12210187 >>12210158 Polish

>>	Anonymous Mon, Dec 10, 2018 15:33:10 No.12210188 >>12210146 Brainlet taste, the Quran is written far better than Bible but the Bible's metaphysics are great.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Dec 10, 2018 15:52:12 No.12210282 >>12210158 Mexican?

Anonymous Mon, Dec 10, 2018 15:57:05 No.12210296
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>>12209889
The Official Religious /lit/erature Tier List

S Tier:
>Job, Psalms, Proverbs (Old Testament)

A Tier:
>Genesis, Exodus, Esther (Old Testament)
>The Gospels (New Testament)
>"All I Want for Christmas is You"
>A Christmas Carol (Dickens)
>It's a Wonderful Life
>The Nutcracker
>How the Grinch Stole Christmas (Book & Animated Featurette)

B Tier:
>The rest of the Old Testament
>The Union Haggadah
>"Twas the Night Before Christmas"
>Scrooged (Bill Murray film)
>Miracle on 34th Street
>Die Hard
>Gremlins
>"Carol of the Bells"
>The Festivus episode of Seinfeld

C Tier:
>The rest of the New Testament
>"Rudolph, the Red-Nosed Reindeer"
>The Quran
>Run-of-the-mill Christmas movies
>Principia Discordia
>Early 2000s Grinch live-action feature

D Tier:
>"Jingle Bells"
>Most other Christmas carols
>TV Christmas specials
>Satanic Bible
>2018 Grinch animated feature
>"Dreidel, Dreidel, Dreidel"

F Tier:
>"Grandma Got Run Over By a Reindeer"
>The Book of Mormon
>Dianetics

Fucking Why Tier:
>"Dominic the Donkey"

Can't speak to the Upanishads or the Tanakh because I haven't read them.

>inb4 "songs aren't /lit/" — they're poems set to music
>inb4 "tv/movies aren't /lit/" — they have scripts

Anonymous Mon, Dec 10, 2018 16:03:22 No.12210329

Bible has multiple styles, genres and perspectives in it and has massive character cast spanning thousands of years. All that is interconnected. No doubt one of mankind's greatest literature achievements.

Quran is easy read dog shit that re-uses simplest stories from Bible. It retells Moses turning staff into snake four times. It's pure cringe.

Analects is written as terse to the point dialogue/monologue. Not much going there either that would impress anyone.

Dunno about other religious texts.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Dec 10, 2018 16:04:36 No.12210336 >>12210296 kek le funny meme list, but: Songs arent lit. Christmas songs arent religious texts. Nor are movies.

Anonymous Mon, Dec 10, 2018 16:05:46 No.12210341
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>>12210164
>How's the Quran more philosophical/metaphysical than the Bible?
If you personally learn how from a Sufi teacher or if you are steeped enough in the literature of another tradition to recognize it, one sees that it poetically teaches non-dualism in areas; like the Vedas by design it contains different levels of instructions for different levels of seekers in the same text. Ibn Arabi in his writings constructs a nearly identical system to Adi Shankara's relying mostly on the Quran and Hadith. I think that's a really interesting type of philosophy/mysticism and enjoy reading all kinds of it including western like Neoplatonism.

For example, Ibn Arabi interprets (Hadith) Sahih al-Bukhari 81:38:2 "My slave continues to draw near me with superogatory actions until I love him. When I love him, I am his hearing with he hears, his sight by which he sees, his hand with which he strikes, and his foot with which he walks"; in a similar way to how Adi Shankara interprets Brihadaranyaka Upanishad 3.8.11 "It is the Seer itself unseen" and ibid 3.7.23. "The unseen seer, the unheard listener, the unthought thinker, the unknown knower".

Even though that's Hadith and not the Quran that was the first example that came to mind, but there are many others you'll notice if you read the Quran and the Upanishads and then those two thinkers. Ibn Arabi and other Sufis often cites Quran verses like

Qur'an 41:53, "We will show them Our signs on the horizons and in themselves"
Quran 11:123 "to Allah belong the unseen [aspects] of the heavens and the earth and to Him will be returned the matter, all of it, so worship Him and rely upon Him. And your Lord is not unaware of that which you do"
Quran 17:44 "There is nothing which does not glorify Him with praise, but you do not understand their glorification."

>>	Anonymous Mon, Dec 10, 2018 16:06:22 No.12210344 >>12210296 Poems and songs are different entities, though. And belong to different art forms. So, no, songs are not literature.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Dec 10, 2018 20:37:52 No.12211652 >>12210296 >principia below gremlins cringe and bluepilled

>>	Anonymous Mon, Dec 10, 2018 21:12:37 No.12211819 >>12210296 wtf

>>	Anonymous Mon, Dec 10, 2018 22:52:21 No.12212185 >>12209918 Underrated.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Dec 10, 2018 22:55:29 No.12212194 >>12209889 christian bible has the highest quality of selections, and number of source manuscripts. there is no question. none of your other examples compare, from a purely objective standpoint. /thread

>>	Anonymous Tue, Dec 11, 2018 00:30:22 No.12212539 >>12210158 swedish

Anonymous Tue, Dec 11, 2018 00:47:31 No.12212581
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>>12210341
Reminds me of how shitlibs seek to extract deep meanings from Harry Potter and Star Wars. A lot. If it's not actually there but you are really vested in greatness of what others see as pulp trash, then gotta do a little esoteric mental gymnastics and hallucinate some greatness there, call it interpretion and use that confusing mess to demonstrate how deep it is.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Dec 11, 2018 01:16:41 No.12212651 >>12212581 That's an utterly moronic thing to post, and it reveals your lack of experience with things of a spiritual nature.

Anonymous Tue, Dec 11, 2018 01:34:57 No.12212710

>>12209889
The bible is the only readable text. Every single quote from Anglo-Germanic pseuds pretending the Upanishads are poetic and moving purely on their literary merit is perormative. Every single translation of the Upanishads that I've read is god awful. The Koran is evidence muslims aren't human; OT is excellent but repetitive and extremely autistic. >>12210186
They do believe in an afterlife, its just not important, much as the Greek afterlife was not important. Elysium was only for gods and heroes.
>>12210296
wrong, wrong, WRONG

>>	Anonymous Tue, Dec 11, 2018 02:58:12 No.12212758 >>12212581 Based >>12212651 Cringe

>>	Anonymous Tue, Dec 11, 2018 03:07:16 No.12212772 >>12210146 >metaphysics in quran Cant tell if baiting or just never read the quran

>>	Anonymous Tue, Dec 11, 2018 03:10:46 No.12212779 >>12210296 Id put the gospel of john and epistle to the hebrews in the S and the book of wisdom of solomon in the A tier just because of that one prophetic passage about jesus and how well translated it is.

Anonymous Tue, Dec 11, 2018 04:13:18 No.12212883
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>That feel when you can read the New Testament in original language
>That contradictory feel when your English vocabulary is shitty 4chan tier and you miss on thousands of books written or translated in modern lingua franca

>>	Anonymous Tue, Dec 11, 2018 04:17:41 No.12212894 >>12209889 You do realise the Tanakh is just the first half of the Christian bible right?

>>	Anonymous Tue, Dec 11, 2018 06:14:57 No.12213081 >>12212758 >samefagging so hard

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