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Anonymous Mon Dec 10 12:51:06 2018 No.12209421 [Reply] [Original]

this novel is eerily relatable. the fear, the lies, the clowning, the double life, the performance, the comfort among outcasts, the feeling of life lived on the verge of being "found out". is this a personality disorder or a universal aspect of the existential problem?

to read this does not make me feel less alone, but only more insecure, as the moment of Takeichi seeing through the narrator "You did that on purpose"

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 10 13:03:51 2018 No.12209487 >>12209421 I couldn't relate because Oda was popular with girls and not a virgin.

Anonymous Mon Dec 10 13:47:39 2018 No.12209687
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I ain't reading no book by OSAMU. Sounds too close to Barack Hussain OBAMA and OSAMA Bin Laden.
you really wanna know what i think, kid????
I think you're a fuckin moslem, and you get the fuck off my website and come back when you aren't reading terrorist brain washing bullshit and reading real americans like john grisham who bleed red white and blue.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 10 13:51:56 2018 No.12209701 >>12209687 Decent post. Throw in some Israel worship and video game hate and you’ve got a good boomer post. Also, instead of John Green say Rush Limbaugh or Steven Crowder

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 10 14:17:10 2018 No.12209823 File: 161 KB, 529x692, 221B8560-5348-4C98-9F0C-76E864E15967.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12209687 David Foster Wallace please come back and save us from this madness

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 10 14:23:26 2018 No.12209860 >>12209701 >John Grisham

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 10 14:23:43 2018 No.12209862 >>12209823 >tfw 2014 /lit/ will never come back

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 10 15:12:10 2018 No.12210073 >wow he's just like me

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 10 15:26:13 2018 No.12210138 Read more Dazai. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cH07Pe9iZBs

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 10 15:38:58 2018 No.12210215 >>12210138 I liked this video.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 10 15:41:49 2018 No.12210232 >>12209687 FUCK ZOOMERS FUCK DOOMERS AND FUCK JANNIES

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 10 15:42:09 2018 No.12210234 >>12210138 i feel like this guy was reading my mind as the video went on

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 10 16:09:19 2018 No.12210355 >>12209687 I’m chuckling.

Anonymous Mon Dec 10 16:43:59 2018 No.12210522

>>12209421
I don’t like this book. I don’t like that Dazai defends Oda despite the fact that he is self-centered coward. All Oda’s thoughts are about himself, he doesn’t try to look for truth and beauty outside himself. That’s why he loses.
I prefer “Notes from the undeground”. Author truly depicts this type of pathetic and egocentric people.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 10 16:47:49 2018 No.12210545 >>12210522 He’s Ōba, my bad

Anonymous Mon Dec 10 16:49:16 2018 No.12210554

>>12210522
im not sure if i agree with that. oda tries to find beauty in his painting and illustrating, as for truth i don't think he has the luxury. he lives in constant torment and anxiety, he can't conceive of something as stable as truth especially when his entire identity is built on lies, truth is lost to him which is itself no small part of his torment. further, it's a novel about a condition of self. it's self absorbed because it is an existentialist novel. in as much as it is autobiographical it shows an ugly and selfish portrait of Dazai but he surely had some capacity for good in his real life as we all do, even if he was unable to see it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 10 16:51:55 2018 No.12210568 >>12210138 I fucking hate that video and this is the second day in a row I've seen it shilled here. I was really disappointed when the reviewer wasn't the Asian qt3.14 I saw in the thumbnail.

Anonymous Mon Dec 10 17:09:38 2018 No.12210653

>>12210554
When he grew up no one forced him to be like everyone else. All his fears are lies. Yeah, he had a hard childhood and it is reflected in his personality.
But he as an adult didn't come to realize that all his problems are caused by egocentrism, that means for me that he doesn't deserve sympathy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 10 22:53:37 2018 No.12212188 >>12210522 His pathology stemmed precisely from the opposite of being self centered. This seems to be a dead thread, I am not sure if I should go into it.

Anonymous Mon Dec 10 23:16:23 2018 No.12212258

>>12210522
I don't quite see where he's being "defended". His suffering sort of invites pathos but there's very little debate about his being, as you say, pathetic, cowardly, selfish, deceitful, etc.

Notes From Underground invites sympathy in just this way. I was moved to tears while reading it.

Anonymous Mon Dec 10 23:27:50 2018 No.12212302

>>12210653
>But he as an adult didn't come to realize that all his problems are caused by egocentrism
Because he was so deeply invested in his fears. Are you dumb? He was so deep in his hole, in his denial and paranoia, there was likely no getting through to him. He would have had no epiphany. Do you expect every adult to just realize all their problems one day and then go and be normal and happy? Some people never escape

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 11 07:23:27 2018 No.12213243 File: 28 KB, 357x500, 41BaOEMP-AL.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12209421 Hey OP, a new translation was released last month. Thought you might want to know.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 11 07:32:05 2018 No.12213258 >>12210653 >Lol just be yourself man stop being so self-centered and just get over it I think this book is lost on people like you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 11 10:08:43 2018 No.12213660 >>12212188 go into it

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 11 10:10:21 2018 No.12213664 >>12209701 >video game hate >boomer Grow up, /v/ermin.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 11 10:53:26 2018 No.12213797 >>12213258 I didn’t say that he had to change something in his life. I said that he should at least realize that he is self-centered, repent and don’t blame all people on the earth for insensitivity.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 11 11:02:39 2018 No.12213828 >>12213797 You will never understand. Oh well.

Anonymous Tue Dec 11 11:22:02 2018 No.12213892

>>12213660

He is unable to arbitrate for himself. He has grounded this function in the other, he is in fact not egocentric in the common understanding, rather he is absurdly concerned with his immanent hallucination of the other. His early experience of alienation generated this sense of insecurity, which begot the ''clowning''. Every act becomes a rigid pretension, even a cough. Imagine that you are told that you are under surveillance, in some situation. Your behavior would most likely alter, it usually does for most people. And for who is this alteration for? You could still claim ego-centrism here, and I would not disagree, in the subtle sense of that phenomena, but look, it is mediated by the other, and of course it remains egocentric, it remains immanent, this can not be avoided, save for experiences of self-transcendence which constitute of non-being, or at least, some detachment from whatever psychological narrative you find yourself in constant reference to.There is hardly any content in his ego which belongs to him, because of this mediation, he himself belongs to the very noumenal humanity of which he is horrified, not as a member, but as a property. For him, the spectator/camera is always present, he can not stop the act, and the actor is at the whims of the crowd, in his great insecurity and reliance on this other. This can not be called ego-centrism, when his ego lies empty and his nerves twitch at the whim of the other, and all of this goes on, absolutely involuntarily. His fears are real insofar as his reactions are involuntary. His problems, then, were not caused by ego-centrism; they may perhaps have been healed at least to some extent, by a healthy dose thereof.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 11 11:25:39 2018 No.12213904 >>12213828 You too. He had thought a lot about himself during all his life, but he never tried to look at himself from the outside.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 11 11:28:37 2018 No.12213911 I am only interested in the manga loosely influenced by Dazai

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 11 11:58:49 2018 No.12213976 >>12209421 Really cool. Can you give us a run down about what it’s about?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 11 13:29:25 2018 No.12214338 >>12213892 Based psychoanalysis anon. That's exactly what happens

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 11 13:51:41 2018 No.12214452 >>12209421 one of my favorite books i've read

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 11 14:28:55 2018 No.12214599 What is /lit/s opinion on Dazai?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 11 18:51:14 2018 No.12215752 Bump

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 11 18:57:41 2018 No.12215770 >>12213664 1) that doesn’t make any sense 2) boomers hate video games with a passion. Every boomer I’ve talked to has said that CoD makes kids shoot up schools

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 11 19:07:24 2018 No.12215812 >>12210138 based and redpilled

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 11 19:08:43 2018 No.12215817 >>12209487 Oh shut up

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 11 19:11:01 2018 No.12215828 >>12210653 >all his problems are caused by egocentrism Only they aren't.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 11 23:35:54 2018 No.12216899 >>12209687 >>12209701 >>12210232 >>12210355 Fuck all of you morons for shitting up one of the few good boards on this website.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 11 23:43:22 2018 No.12216911 >>12213892 Is Shinji Ikari the same as this?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 11 23:51:26 2018 No.12216933 How did the writer fail suicide by hanging? Equipment failure?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 12 00:00:58 2018 No.12216962 >>12216911 There are a lot of similarities.

Anonymous Wed Dec 12 10:25:21 2018 No.12218328
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>>12209421
>"i related to him a lot"
>"yeah-yeah, don't we all"
>mfw proceeds to tell me about his life and makes yozo's life seem like a walk in the park in comparison
I'll never forget ya, enjoy relating to ii-chan from now on

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 12 12:42:32 2018 No.12218748 I haven't read the book but in reading this thread it sounds kinda like those horrible existential paranoiac thoughts you have on a bad marijuana experience, and those are some of the most anxiety inducing experiences of my life.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 12 12:59:16 2018 No.12218795 >>12216962 no youre retard

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 12 13:28:18 2018 No.12218893 >>12209421 >the comfort among outcasts Where did you get that?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 12 13:34:37 2018 No.12218914 >>12218893 Probably from Yozo enjoying the irrationality of the communist meetings, or being comfortable with prostitutes, or his relationship with Tsuneko.

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